This is the archives from the BC Growers Message Board
TOPIC - Romberry
DATE - 07:26:03 10/01/99
FROM - bluebuddha
God that romberry is beautiful!!! Those colas are HUGE! What are some of
the specifications of it? How long?
How potent? taste? High? What kind of growing environment does it prefer?
History of strain? I definatley must
try my hand at this strain. What are the cured buds like? Jeez im droolin....
TOPIC - Spaz...
DATE - 21:44:00 9/30/99
FROM - chronic man
I thought I'd try to answer your question, I'm not a pro with the Super
soil or anything, but mine are doin pretty
damn good. The purpose of letting the soil sit for a week or two is to
let the microbes break down the nutrients
so that the plant can use the nutrients. I let my soil sit for about three
weeks before using, but I've read here that
you can use soil right away after it's mixed, because the plants are probably
so small that they don't need a
whole lot of nutrients yet.
The wilting, I have to ask the obvious. Do they have enough water?? Maybe
too much??? And what size
container are you using?? If these aren't the culprits, maybe the water
you've been using has a high PH. You
can check the soil's PH with test kits. Maybe these might help, if not
maybe Vic might know.
Good luck...
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - Vic Bro......NO biggy....
DATE - 19:18:46 9/30/99
FROM - Perp
...a strange thing has been happening for the last two weeks or so.....after
visiting here, my "back" button wont
work?????...usualy I'll "click" back to my bookmarks,....BUT I ben getting
an error message
instead???????....thought I should mention it....
WebTv browser 2.1, Ha! (Mostly M/S Explorer based)
>error message = "Too much info to load page"....this is a Webtv standard
error message for HUGE Web Pages
that max out the mini cache in these Set-Top boxs.....
...anyway no biggy, jus weird and thought ya might wanna know....
P.S...I don't know shit about 'puters....Ha!
,ph
..anybody else havin' a problem "Backin' out of this page??? L8R
TOPIC - storage
DATE - 17:04:21 9/30/99
FROM - ahhsome
How do you store pollen most efficently???
TOPIC - sprouts - blueberry & romberry
DATE - 18:15:16 9/29/99
FROM - Wadsworth
my sprouts are doing well. the romberry is the biggest by far. the blueberry
was started a week later and is
almost as big. purple passion, started same time as RB, is still somewhat
smaller. in 44oz cups of soil.
TOPIC - wilted
DATE - 15:03:16 9/29/99
FROM - spaz
VIC i posted already about my wilting plants.
im still wilting..could it be your soil ...?
i waited about 1 week before using the soil,was that long enough? what
is the purpose of letting the mixture sit
1-2 weeks?
TOPIC - Re:Flushing causes damage for sure.
DATE - 09:39:52 9/29/99
FROM - popabone
You probably have to adjust flushing
for the strain that you are
growing - trial and error .
I would not flush for more than 5
days with any strain. Also, it only
takes one flushing to remove most of the
DS from medium . I would say try flushing
2 to 3 days before harvesting .
TOPIC - super skunk
DATE - 17:30:28 9/28/99
FROM - mtb
super skunk is an f1 hybrid. what would be the out come of breeding back
to have an f2. would they be potent or
not, are they worth growing? help!
TOPIC - baudelaire you have......
DATE - 13:44:43 9/28/99
FROM - aeric77
.......an email where the fat lady sings......
TOPIC - Cleansed, Bluebuddha, Powdery mildew
DATE - 13:10:10 9/28/99
FROM - sb
Vic,
I noted that you have the dreaded PM popping up again.Mine has come back
with a freakin vengence so off to
the nursery I went.I returned armed with neem concentrate as well as safer
"garden fungicide" (sulfur based).My
plan is to alternate these two sprays at 7 day intervals unless you or
someone else has any relevant pearls of
wisdom on the matter.
Bluebuddah
I do the soil thing with organic ferts and see no real reason to flush.Are
plants in the wild flushed? I have no hard
data to back this up, but I have harvested some chemically fertilized(heavily
I might add) weed in the past that
tasted like CRAP and some that just wouldn't stay lit.I have never experienced
the same results with
organics.My guess is that the periodic problems I've had with chems is
not the nature of the ferts so much as
possibly an extreme imbalance induced by heavy feedings without regular
flushings.MPWO
Cleansed
NO PROBLEM MAN! 400 watts is nothing to be concerned with at all.I run
a 1k on 12/12 and a 400 on 24/7 with
bills that are not at all out of line for my domestic situation.Breath
deep and relax.hahaha....seriously
TOPIC - Flushing causes damage for sure.
DATE - 11:56:08 9/28/99
FROM - bluebuddha
Im in the last week of flushing(2weeks). I have noticed alot of discoloration
not only in fan leaves, but also in
small bud leaves. The calaxys havent really swelled up too much and the
time has come. Im a few days out of
harvesting and can't help but think it was a mistake to flush. It seems
the plant could have used the ferts till say
5 days before harvest and then flush. See, my roots are in soil and a large
pot about 15 inches (8-10 gallon) the
root system expanded and filled up. Hence waterings evry 4 days.
Now I had gotten some advice from a couple of advanced growers that flushing
and these results are normal.
They stated that the plant was using up its last stores of nitrogen and
therefore would be a smoother smoke.
Thats fine but what about potentcy and last minute growth that alot of
plants exhibit? Doesnt this decrease or
lack of nutrients stop the ripening process completely and stunt growth
of new glands? Im also wondering what if
any experiences people have had and also would love to hear opinions on
the pros and cons of flushing...
TOPIC - Security
DATE - 10:43:53 9/28/99
FROM - Cleansed
Hey all...:)...I'd like to express my thanks to the board for giving such
a great response to my questions and may
i ask a few more?..;)....I have recently moved house to a more sedate suburb,The
room i plan to live in is still
being worked on so i have had little chance to get the light and herb going.I
am just curious about the power bill if
i plug my 400 hps in about a month after moving...is it enough wattage
to make a visible impact that might
arouse suspicion?..also there seem to be a never ending supply of copters
and all sorts of aircraft going back
and forth overhead...In my old property i let this make me really paranoid..i
dont think that we are quite as
advanced as far as searching out indoor gardens as you canadians and americans
but it is still making me
nervous...any suggestions will be much appreciated..thanks for your time...:)
TOPIC - males to females
DATE - 09:29:18 9/28/99
FROM - hand
selective breeding response,all males are kept alive,testing males are
mutilated then killed,remaining males dont
want to die easyest way to stay alive,be a female.males that turn are already
judged good as a male or they
wouldnt be alive.selective pressure.group hormone thing.
TOPIC - Spud's expectations
DATE - 07:13:43 9/28/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey Spud, be careful coming here "expecting" anything, it's nobody's job
to sit here and fulfill your expectations.
We donate our time "sharing" info and help out when we can and where we
can.
That said;
- reveg up to harvest time.
- removing main flower clumps will aid in the reveg process.
- once the female starts showing signs of reveg, you could allow the remaining
flowers to be pollenated. The
seeds will develope despite the fact the plant is in veg mode, thus giving
you what seems to be badly needed
backups.
TOPIC - trelaway & Chronic Man
DATE - 07:00:54 9/28/99
FROM - funkdified
Actually, I've decided to scrog it. I realize that this is best w/ clones,
but with the space that I have available it is
tough to get a mom going. I can imagine that harvest time will be a bitch
as I will have to judge each bud on its
own. I was just getting a little bored with the standard way of growing.
Gotta have those new challenges you
know. I appreciate your responses. I think that I will let them go until
I can sex them. The advice I spoke of was
just something that I heard from friends and from things that I've read
from the net. I have heard of people having
bad luck at culling. From what I've read, the males are the ones that usually
display the vigour that we are all
looking for. I have only done 4 crops to completion, so I want to get a
little more used to the growth habits and
phenotype expression of the sexes before I try to cull. I refuse to kill
a lady. I usually only kill a plant if it is
diseased or unusally slow growing. Oh yeah, chronic man, I have tied down
plants before and it is suprising the
amount of branching that takes place. I am a little confused about why
it does this though. I remember reading
that the further away each branch gets away from the growing tips, the
more the plant branches because of a
hormone in the growing tips. Which means that when a plant is topped, that
the level of the hormone in the plant
drops to near 0 which causes, depending on the light level, all previous
branching spots to grow out. How does
tying it down cause the same effect? It seems that since the growing tips
are still in tact that the hormone would
be present preventing branching. Not to mention the fact that you are bringing
the hormone closer to, if not lower
than, the level of the branches. I know this may seem like a stupid ? seeing
as the the result of tieing down is
positive , but I am the type who likes to know how things work the way
they do. Peace - funkdified.
TOPIC - emergency - HELP!
DATE - 01:30:27 9/28/99
FROM - Spud
Hi. Ok I am going to give a detailed description of my situation as I expect
a similarly detailed answer from
anyone who has had this problem or who can help.
Ok I had a prizewinning NLxThai cross female that had a few female preflowers
and is now about 2 ft tall. I grew it
from seed and it was the only remaining seed of her kind so I need to preserve
her. She was up to her 10th
internode and I topped her to keep her bushy and branched. Now I live in
the southern hemisphere where
currently the days are just over 12 hours long and lengthening. I also
have 1 male plant of an equally impressive
strain. This strain I also plant to preserve for as long as possible. The
only thing I have of this other strain is the
male (now about 14 inches tall), some frozen pollen from another male,
and 1 other small plant that I think is
female. The male that is still alive is better than the other male of which
the stored pollen came. It is bushier and
squatter and just as fast maturing.
Now heres my problem. Because the days are still only ~ 12 hours long where
I live, both the NL Thai female and
the other strains male began to flower because they are outside. The female's
growth slowed to a near halt about
3 weeks ago. At first I thought it was late enough to leave her outside,
and that the slow growth was only
temporary and was due to me transplanting her and topping her just prior
to that time. But the sidebranches
failed to develop at all well, and then more female stigmas began appearing
at nearly every axis. At the same
time the male plant started growing a number of male flowers. But I wanted
the male to branch out more so that I
could maybe clone him for later use, or at least cut off one of the branches
that would have formed and out in a
glass of water and collect pollen that would drop for storage.
I wanted both this male and female to revert back to veg growth for cloning
and increased plant size before
flowering. To do this I had to move them inside under a 400 W MH. But I
had to wait an extra week until I got my
latest power bill. This is because I aroused police suspicions about a
year ago after doing something silly, and
since then I have been using lights inside but have been regulating my
usage so that my power bill doesn't
suddenly jump. And I still had 1 week left of my no lights usage rule that
I had forced myself to stick to.
Anyway, this female just prior to me putting her inside had clumps of white
stigmas about 7mm in diameter at a
number of nodes. None of them have withered, and none of the bracts have
formed or swollen. Right now it is jsut
over a week into stigma production. The male plant is also inside and it
too is into flowering, and has thick
clumps of mostly unopened male anthers (or whatever). I think that it has
been flowering for almost a week longer
than the female, and it has already released some pollen. So you guessed
it my question is what is the latest
into flowering that you can safely cause a plant to revert back to vegetative
growth. Like are either of these two
plantstoo far into flowering?
Just a few notes: they are growing under a 400 W MH on 18/6 light regimen,
with a normal oscillating household
fan blowing on them. The female is positioned the closest to the fan, the
male furthest. This is so that no pollen
will be blown from the male to the female as the air is flowing in the
opposite direction. The fan is necessary
because of the moderate to high temps we experience herre during the day.
I am using a soluble fertilizer with
NPK at 1:1:1 once a week. What should I do in order to fulfill my objective
of reverting the female back to veg
growth and collecting pollen from and maybe cloning the male? Am i creating
a potentially lethal situation
whereby the female flowers are potentially mature enough to be fertilized
by pollen from the male which is like 8
cm from the female, in which case the female would set seed and die and
I would end up with nothing? God I
wish I could take a photo of her flowers and scan it and show it to you
guys so you would have more of an idea of
where I stand.
Anyway sorry for rambling and thanks for reading this and/or responding.
TOPIC - funkdified
DATE - 19:28:16 9/27/99
FROM - trelaway
my experience has been that sog (which is what I assume yer doing) can
be a bit of a bust if growing from seed.
IMO, sog is a mom/clone experience.
Personally, in yer situation I'd cull out 12 of the best, repot to 3-5
gallon pails and work on vegging them out to a
full topped 18-24 inches. The 400 wont penetrate deep on three foot plants
but if you have some bad luck with
herm/male to female ratio you will still get some decent bud cause yer
more mature plants will still produce for
you.
TOPIC - funkdified...
DATE - 11:20:21 9/27/99
FROM - chronic man
I would say that one gallon of soil per each foot of growth should be sufficient.
I'm tryin to figure out this one...
. In the past I have observed the advice that there should be as much room
in the pot for root growth as the plant
is tall. If that's the case, it would be awfully hard to fit a pot for
a 5' tall plant. I usually use the smaller quart
containers until they are about 8-10", then I transplant them into 5 gallon
buckets. I've had up to six foot plants in
these, with no problems. One thing to remeber, while they are in the quart
containers, they will start to use more
and more water. That could be why they were droopy. So until you transplant,
make sure you keep an eye on
your water. I usually go by weight, but if all else fails, a cheapo moisture
meter works well. The small pots
shouldn't have any negative effect on your plants. Oh and a tip for increasing
yield. If you want your plant to be
more bushy, tie it down. Take your growing shoots, and I use those elastic
ties that stretch, so they don't
strangle the plant. They sell em in nurseries. Then I use thumbtacks to
fasten the tie to the container. When the
shoots are tied down, a chemical is released, somehow telling the plant
to get bushier. (in plain english hehe).
Good luck...
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - a query about pot size
DATE - 10:14:33 9/27/99
FROM - funkdified
Hello everyone,
I posted this question at overgrow, but didn't receive any responses. If
anyone can help out I would greatly
appreciate it. I have 18 plants going under a 400W HPS using Earth Juice
and Maxicrop. They are all on their 6th
internode with an average height of 6" tall - about 4 weeks old. I have
them all in pots that are roughly 1/4 gallon
in size. In the past I have observed the advice that there should be as
much room in the pot for root growth as
the plant is tall. However, I would usually only have enough room for about
12 plants (before sexing) which turned
out to be about 6 girls at harvest time. I am trying to increase my yeild,
so I started more plants that I have in the
past. My predicament is that I can't transplant until after I have sexed
them because of my lack of space. I just
topped them and they are all beginning their new shoots ( I got lucky on
5 of them - I must have topped them at
the right place, because they have 4 tops.) In my past crops, I have been
able to determine sex about a week or
two after toping via preflowers. My question is how much of an effect will
the small pots have on my plants? Like
I say it should only be for about 2 weeks. They were starting to droop
a little, but I added a few drops of
superthrive a few days ago, and, for the most part, they all perked up.
Thanks - funkdified
TOPIC - germination
DATE - 08:28:22 9/27/99
FROM - mark
Please could you tell me the best way to germinate cannabis seeds
TOPIC - pic
DATE - 21:20:21 9/26/99
FROM - Vic High
The above pic is a romulan backcross (R75 I think) that is growing down
in the nevada desert. It shares many
similarities to it's romulan mom at 7 weeks. The purplish pistals are a
dead giveaway. This outdoor sample is a
little more leafy and a little less frosty than romulan inddors though.
She'll be ready to cut in about 2 weeks, if
her smell doesn't cause her demise sooner
TOPIC -
DATE - 15:10:11 9/26/99
FROM - .blend
hey a new pic!
what strain is that vic?
.blend
TOPIC - vegatation
DATE - 12:43:15 9/26/99
FROM - blacksheep
my strain ak47,shishkeberry i have them under
400w mh 18/6 i keep the temp 75-77 as of
yesterday they grew but not much i only germ.
2 seeds from each strain is this ok or should i
germ. all of them and then pick out the best
for mamas.after 15 days they are only about
2.5in.
TOPIC - temp
DATE - 08:51:54 9/26/99
FROM - spaz
m.g.
no secret..12x12 area,1 10 inch dayton for exhaust,1 12"circulating fan.
one end of my room has a pocket door
for a bathroom wich has a window.if its hot i open the window more,cold
i start to close the window.
so there is no intake fan.just the airflow from my dayton.
pretty hi-tech eh!!
TOPIC - spaz...
DATE - 04:12:41 9/26/99
FROM - m.g.
btw, i try to keep my room running at around 75-85...
TOPIC - spaz...
DATE - 04:09:47 9/26/99
FROM - m.g.
3 1k lights and 70 degrees? what's your secret? i run the same wattage
but need a rather large a/c unit to keep
the room cool with ambient temps at around 65-70 at night...
TOPIC - response to blacksheap
DATE - 22:53:38 9/25/99
FROM - farmer ted
depends on your setup and genetics. the average seeds under average lights
will germinate and show signs of
rapid growth . the rapid growth usualy comes at around two days after germination.
TOPIC - germination/vegetation
DATE - 18:07:37 9/25/99
FROM - blacksheap
how long after germination should i see signs of vegetation or new leaves
TOPIC - wilted
DATE - 17:01:06 9/25/99
FROM - spaz
vic.. no im not the guy from school..
im using 3 1000watt m.h. iplan to add 2 more in 2 weeks.
temp has been @70.is this to cold??
ill try the split shifts
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:38:38 9/25/99
FROM - Vic High
spaz - you the guy we picked on in high school? there was some guy with
a short fuze that we called spaz,
haha. Anyway, describe your lighting. With high enough light intensity
and temps, it's feasible that your plants
are getting tired. A split shift may help them handle it better if that's
the case. Two 9/3 cycles per day should be
just as good as productive as one 18/6 cycle, but offer the plants more
frequent rest periods.
ahhsome - take cuts and throw them in 12/12 lighting. They don't need to
be rooted to show. More details in
weedbase archives I suspect at www.overgrow.com
TOPIC - C99 hybrids update
DATE - 10:32:58 9/25/99
FROM - Vic High
OK, I figured it was time to update on the C99 growout. This update is
off the yop of my head without being
biased from earlier notes. The main thing I noticed when entering the room
is a sweet fruity aroma, very pleasant.
It's now day 25 of 12/12. Strains are C99, romulan, g13, and a lone chemo.
I over estimated the stretching, so
the room isn't as crowded as I anticipated. I added the heavily preflowering
grapefruit mom as a test cross, for
fun, since there was extra room. Also, males are dropping like flies for
various reasons, adding even more space,
hehe. The remaining males have been in flower for about 10 days now and
look like they will unload their dust
this week. I also took picks yesterday, hopefully they turn out :) While
taking the pics, I noticed a small bit of
powdery mildew creeping into the room, it was on romulan and the c99 bucks.
I sprayed with funginex after the
photo op. Today, many of the pistals turned brown as a result of the spraying.
OK, still the lone chemo is the most developed, calyxes have progressed
to the stage of swelling. Although still
heavy, crystal production hasn't increased since the last evaluation. The
upper shade leaves do support crystal
though. Smell is hard to describe, I think vanilla, but even that is a
bit off, not really sweet smelling like vanilla is.
This plant did not stretch at all.
C99 - these girls are packing on the crystals AND sweet aroma. They are
dominating the aroma in the room.
And about half of them have crystals coating the upper shade leaves, making
them look the most impressive.
Calyxes are thick and long, and a very uniform creamy colour. I can differentiate
between the strains by pistal
alone, hehe. These stretched the most, about 80%, a nice healthy stretch
that opens up the plant allowing
deeper light penetration, and hopefully bigger yields. Speaking of yield,
it's a tough call deciding which has
smaller buds, it or romulan.
romulan didn't stretch as much as I'm used to under the suncircle, maybe
50%. It's pistals are long like c99 but
much finer and have a pinkish translucent colour. Of all the strains in
the room, romulan and g13 appear to have
the least amount of frosting, more on this later. The romulan buds are
more loose than the c99, much more finely
built and definately behind in calyx developement. The aroma still harbours
a faint sweet undertone, but the
typical pine aroma is starting to take over.
G13 stretched even less than romulan, about say 40%. It also looks much
more stocky with bigger stalks. It's
pistals are short and creamy, a little more yellow than C99. The bud lacks
aroma when compared to C99 and
romulan, but does have a slight fruity sweet smell. The buds are the most
compact looking between it, c99, and
romulan. Not as well developed as the C99 though. And are the biggest of
the three, but because of it's lack of
stretch and dense canopy, it doesn't look like it will yield a whole lot.
The quality nugs don't go very deep into the
canopy. The bud tops have lost that dark tone that they had at the last
overview.
Crystal notes:
As I previously mentioned, C99 looks much more frosty than the others.
As with the g13, the crystals are
smaller and more clear on romulan than C99, the C99 look like a white frosting,
while the other two look more
sparkly, if that makes any sense. So I decided to clip a sample of each
and look under the dissecting scope. I
found all three to have roughly the same number of trichimes per unit area.
The C99 ones were on by far the
longest stalks, about 10 - 15 times their width. And many of the heads
were slightly cloudy. The G13 and
romulan trichomes were clear in comparison. They were about the same height
as each other and about 3-4
times taller than wide. G13 trichomes were as fat as c99, while romulan
were a bit skinnier. Also, romulan had
the highest concentration of sessile (undeveloped) trichomes, C99 had the
least.
TOPIC - wilted
DATE - 08:21:08 9/25/99
FROM - spaz
i have just set up my room with 60 girls.
they seem to be doing fine(vics super soil)
around the 16th hour of light they are wilted as if they are sleeping ,is
this normal???
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:12:36 9/25/99
FROM - ahhsome
Presexing how is it done?Please Help
TOPIC - trannys no bite hook
DATE - 21:33:58 9/24/99
FROM - hand
a true male that turns female is ok to use,usualy good.the true males are
ok too it seems you just have to worry
about females that turn hermy.this from exp.they do not produce hermy females
just hermy males.nice for
testing.no4 is hard to tell there might be hermy genes hiding in your male.if
you dilute those genes too much you
lose that trait.i dont know what caused it,the first one just showed up.sports
just happen i tried to save one,on a
thin skunk a bud so different i had to have,once it was growing it reverted
back.this on a old clone that never
showed variation.sports are more likely outside,caused by radiation from
space, free radicals,damages dna.they
shoot through your body all the time.sports are only noticable on plants
you are very familiar with.enjoyed uv
discorse, someday i'll ad 2 cents worth.not hypothetical.escapees.i said
true male dont guess.
TOPIC - pot
DATE - 21:03:58 9/24/99
FROM - doughman
i want to know more about the pot and ist ways
TOPIC - confused males
DATE - 14:43:40 9/24/99
FROM - Vic High
Ok, I've been doing some reading and came across an interesting question.
I would love some feedback on this
hypothetical situation. Lets say you have a truebreeding seedline that
you want to use in breeding. Now lets say
that the females seem to be 100% hermie free, but about 30% to 40% of the
males bat for both teams.
1) Ant thought on what would cause this oddity? How do you get only male hermies?
2) what would be the outcome of using one of these hermie males in breeding?
Would they produce clean
females but hermie males? Or is there a risk that both male AND female
offspring could become hermie?
3) Any risk in using the "straight" males from the same seedbatch? Any
breeders go through this before? This
should be a brain twister, hehe.
4) would the females carry this trait? Meaning, if you crossed a female
with another male that's from hermie free
genetics, would the male offspring risk being hermie?
I've also posted this elsewhere, any help out there in solving this?
TOPIC - Aloha!
DATE - 06:27:40 9/24/99
FROM - Perp
Puna has a few meanings in Hawaiian, could mean "Favorite" (punalele),
or "plaster"/"whitewash" are refered to
as puna, or even "cacium oxide" (lime),.. ....also puna means "spoon",
and sometimes "coral". With an alphabet
of so few letters, words have multple meanings.......
There is a photo in the Nov.'99 HighTimes of about 10-12 Hawaiin strains
from 1979, there is some Puna-Butter
and another Puna somethin'-or-other in the pic.......
Aloha from Cali!
Soul......LMAO!!!, Ha!...brings new meaning to "Kiss the Kook".....
TOPIC - kevin and puna butter
DATE - 01:04:32 9/24/99
FROM - pi
thanks for the correction
sub actually got the seeds from an american in adam who said that they
were a pure strain and not crossed. his
name and the shop escape me. this american was not into the hype of the
cup and such so i hope that i got the
real thing. will have a better idea soon.
TOPIC - cleansed
DATE - 00:11:22 9/24/99
FROM - Old Bud
Yup White Widow Web sells the peace maker, item #13 on the order form.
no description though, just a price
(295 dfl).
TOPIC - Puna Butter
DATE - 20:09:23 9/23/99
FROM - Kevin
pi....Puna Bud or Puna Butter (the real stuff) is grown in
the Puna Rainforest on the Big Island of Hawaii. The rainforest is south
of Hilo. No telling if the seeds are the real
thing....the Dutch will play all kinds of games with weed names. As far
as I know, there is no island of puna. I'm
not sure what Puna translates too...its a Hawaiian word.
TOPIC -
DATE - 19:08:05 9/23/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey Baudelaire - actually the environment can very much affect the frequency
of sports. Basically, mutagens are
sport creators and there are many, uv just being one of them. Cancer is
a type of sport of the human body, but
since we don't clone too well, we don't propagate that sport as a general
rule, hehe, except in the lab, haha.
Colchicine is a known mutagen of our hobby.
Oh yeah, ROTFLMFAO on the liar comment.
Cleansed, I'm going to break my "no seedbank discussion rule" but he's
no longer a seedbank, so no harm I
think. Don't waste your time considering Weedseed, nothing left to trust
there.
TOPIC - Peacemaker
DATE - 16:31:09 9/23/99
FROM - Baudelaire
LOL- "secret of the kook" Ain't that the truth! White widow's probably
the greatest advance in canna strains of the
90s, and here we are at the end of the decade, every seedbank carries a
version, plus a raft of Widow crosses,
and still the "secret" heritage of the strain is held close by the "kook".
Ingmar certainly has a way with the
English language.
FWIW, Mike of Weedseed infamy claimed he was told that Peacemaker was just
Shiva Shanti with a new name.
So I guess you can choose to believe the "kook" or a liar.
B420
TOPIC - puna bud
DATE - 13:07:30 9/23/99
FROM - pi
i currently have 10 plants in my grow called puna BUTTER... not bud! supposedly
a strain from the island of puna
which has a good hi and a great taste/smell.
a bud of mine bought them in adam.
2f ready to flower: 8 colas @ 30". will trim for 16 colas
8 of 10 seedlings survived and were transplanted to 6" pots yesterday.
the 2 preflowering f's seem to be cut from the sativa mold just shorter.
the seedlings are showing indica stocky at
4".
it should be kept in mind that i have made great improvements in my lumens
between the 2 batches so i will
reserve judegemnt on phenotypes etc at this point. 2 look sativa and 8
look indica?
TOPIC - Peacemaker
DATE - 10:09:48 9/23/99
FROM - Cleansed
Thanks for the research....:)....i couldnt find the seeds on his site tho....Is
there nowhere to get this
strain?!?!...It's a shame the dampkring page is so crappy ...I know they
have it and maybe they sell some seeds
at the shop...i only visited the smaller Tweede Kamer and my brain was
fairly misty back then so i didnt notice
what was on their seed list.....also,what happened to the weedseed site?...There
are a couple of places i could
go here in London but he sounds like the best option...
TOPIC - FYI Peacemaker Info
DATE - 06:21:21 9/23/99
FROM - Soul
Hey Y'all_~ I received this reply to a question on Peacemaker by Ingemar
& wanted to "share it with the class":
> I have the following question:
>
> I've heard "PeaceMaker" is the same cross as Great White
> Shark...namely, White Widow/Skunk#1. Is this accurate?
>
> Thanks in advance - Soul.
Hi mr. Soul,,
I'm sorry that's the secret of the kook.
Top
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: MrSoul@england.com [mailto:MrSoul@england.com]
> Verzonden: zondag 19 september 1999 17:48
> Aan: contact@whitewidowweb.com
> Onderwerp: WWW-contact-us
>
>
> Pagina : http://www.whitewidowweb.com/contact.htm
>
>
>
TOPIC - best kind of seeds
DATE - 22:55:09 9/22/99
FROM - The Wildcat
What is the most powerful strain of seeds available
to buy over the web and where do I get them?
thanks
TOPIC - OT1 - Hey sport!
DATE - 11:30:32 9/22/99
FROM - Baudelaire
Well you've almost got me convinced about sports. But isn't this phenomena
still quite rare? I mean, if fruit trees
regularly mutated "on the limb", wouldn't it be impossible to maintain
the different Cox varieties? Or to register
the sports as distinct strains?
This begs the question as to how easily mj clones produce sports, but my
guess is that the frequency is still
quite low, and certainly not a predictable occurence. Also, do you believe
the sport phenomenon is
environmentally-induced? My thoughts are that probably are not, that they
are distinctly genetic in nature.
Otherwise, the Cox sports would not be stable, and would worthless as a
commercial crop. I know that
commercial bananas are almost universally of the Cavendish variety (developed
by one of your countrymen). The
strain has been propagated solely by clone since the 1880s I believe, and
the variety remains the stable big
producer it was a century ago. In fact, some are worried the strain is
TOO stable, and that it's near universal
application throughout the world has set the banana biz up for a big virus-
or pest-induced fall.
B420
TOPIC - Evaporative cooling mister's. occam
DATE - 10:14:20 9/22/99
FROM - Blazer
Hey Friends I recall a few people looking for fine mister's awhile back
for cooling or humidifying. This company
has thier entire line at Lowe's now. I also have idea's for finer mister's
if anyone wants/needs it too. I think I'll put
1 over each table on a timer for foliar misting etc..Food for thought and
a link;)
occam I'm always hungry for new/different reading material and schools
of thought. Please pass it on if it isn't a
hassle, My email is above and thankYou!
Blazer
Link: Arizona Mist
TOPIC - edible wild plants
DATE - 23:34:05 9/21/99
FROM - iibro
hey dude...... that's a little throw off topic, but anyways i was reading
about your chemo strain "c99" and my
curiousity got the best of me....... i've been at bongblasters place and
i sure would like to see for myself the end
result of your c99. if you reply please do so under the topic of edible
wild plants hehehehe.......lol
TOPIC - Puna Bud
DATE - 21:09:53 9/21/99
FROM - Wadsworth
In college I smoked something called "Puna Bud". It was supposed to be
from Hawaii. It was bright green and
very strong smelling. Maybe what Cleansed tried was puna bud. The way he
describes it is how I would describe
puna bud. As I recall someone grew some of this under a street light and
it was a sativa.
My blueberry seeds have sprouted and the romberry & Purple passion are starting their 2nd set of leaves.
Still haven't found anything out about Eco-Technics lights. Has anyone
heard anything about these lights? Its a
6" dia. round glass tube w/a 400w HPS. On one end I put a duct fan and
the other has flex duct leading out of
the grow chamber.
Its a clever set up. d;^)-~
TOPIC -
DATE - 15:34:02 9/21/99
FROM - oldtimer1
All apples varieties in the UK are clone stock the same goes for pears
plums gages,cherries, peaches and
nectarines non come true from seed! The size they get to depends on the
rootstock they are grafted or budded
on I thought this was the case in the states as well. KQ would know! Yes
there was only one Cox from seed in
its original form it required a compatible apple planted with it so they
can pollinate one another as it is self sterile
on its own no pollination no fruit!! The self fertile version is quite
new but some of the other mutations have been
stable for over 50 years. We call this happening a sport. It happens frequently
with plants that are propagated
vegetatively like perpetual carnations, pinks, auricularís and the like.
It also happens with roses ivy and a whole
range of shrubs as well, if you find a sport on a popular plant where the
breeders rights have run out you can
make a lot of money. Sorry but its true and should be easy for you to check
up on!
All the best Ot1.
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:50:49 9/21/99
FROM - Baudelaire
OT1- Got no quarrel with you regarding intergenerational mutations, i.e.,
from seed. But mutating clones? How
close to Chernobyl are you? This is where you and I (and I believe Soul)
part minds. I will consider your Cox
apple examples on their face, but never having heard of that variety or
its mutability, I must reserve judgement
until you or I can find some cites to back them up. One thing- you say
the Coxes are all from the same clone,
but that one variety is "self-fertile". Wouldn't that variety be grown
from seed then? Are you SURE all the other
varieties are reproduceable only via clone?
All of your other cannabis-specific clone mutation examples seem easily
explained by environmental conditions.
Clones grown in different soils, lighting regimens, nutrients, temperature
ranges, UV intensity, etc., will look and
smell and smoke differently to some degree. It is imprudent to ascertain
genetic recombination from mere
physical variations from one clone to another without first eliminating
ALL environmental factors that are
influencing the individuals in question. And that is more or less impossible
to do outside of a laboratory setting.
B420
TOPIC - Glass
DATE - 11:35:52 9/21/99
FROM - occam
Blazer, The info is from "Greenhouse Manager" magazine in an article called
"Technological advancements yield
specialized greenhouse coverings", Nov. 1990. A little out of date perhaps.
There's not a whole lot more useful
info, but I can post more if you want, or email to save bandwidth?
occam
TOPIC -
DATE - 11:26:49 9/21/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Soul a broken record ëAí hehe well as you know Iím just a guy who works
with his hands Iím not a scientist!
Plant's genes are GENERALLY constant but not INVARIABLY SO! Firstly plant
and seed mutations are very
common. Whole blocks and small bits of genetic code often recombine in
new ways. Plant breeders copyright
law recognise this, where breeders release registered clones for commercial
propagation. Someone finding a new
colour break or form in a registered clone usually gets a finders fee +
if they are lucky a small percentage per
plant if the new find is released commercially. But the new form still
belongs to the original copyright holder.
Even the famous English coxes orange pippin apple has produced sports.
Since Mr Cox planted that famous
seed it has been reproduced by cloning. There have probably been hundreds
of mutations, currently there are
several available commercially, Queen cox, King cox, Algroves cox and even
self fertile cox. They have all been
taken from branches with a desirable sport condition then after several
years trialing to prove its not a recessive
mutation and that it produces added desirable attributes its put on the
market. Without plants ability to produce
mutated changes also in the seed generations things would be pretty fixed
you wouldn't have say red cabbage,
ball headed cabbage winter cabbage, cauliflowers, sprouting, brusselsprouts
etc we would still be eating that
tough little brassica that grows on chalky land near the sea. Ok it took
man to conserve any mutations found and
develop new forms by crossing with other mutated forms.
As far as I know all the most potent forms of cannabis have developed in
high alitude areas world wide. Various
combinations of those genetics are in most of the so called drug varieties
of today. I would love to be able to do
some breeding outdoors where the climate would support a natuarl plant
life cycle. Given the choice at 30 deg or
so north I would pick peasenessís altitude against sealevel. Mainly because
I think it would alow each plant to
express its full potential within its genetic makeup as far as complex
thc production is concerned. This would
make selection easier the slow method. Secondly the chances of the odd
branch or plant having a favorable
mutation in an enviroument with enhanced shortwave radiation would be greater,
thats pretty quick if you can
take a cutting or seed! Yes I think the reverse is true given growing conditions
that would tend to select against
thc production, How many times have you heard a grower say that a mother
he has been useing for some time is
producing cuttings that hermy or have suddenly lost that special aroma
or the yield has gone down. Now I know
it could be viral if mites have been involved but I suspect a lot of the
time its just that the mother plant has
sported!
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:51:50 9/21/99
FROM - Cleansed
Hey all...recently ordered some seeds from Sag....2 days and they arrived...Anybody
have any ideas what i
might get out of their indoor mix...plus will keep you up to date with
growth details etc.....:)....Thanks for the
feedback concerning Hawaiian and Peacemaker....still no clues about the
history or whereabouts of Peace but
will keep looking...I loved that strain..:)
TOPIC - Off the UV trodden path
DATE - 09:26:14 9/21/99
FROM - ShareCropper
I had an interesting sprout that maybe some of you have seen. I presprout
my seeds before planting in soil and
one of them had 2 root tips emerge. I planted as usual in soil. It has
since developed into two separate sprouts. I
have sprouted a lot of seeds and never have I seen this happen. I plan
on growing to maturity if they survive. Any
ideas on this?
SC
TOPIC - Pollen & UV
DATE - 09:06:38 9/21/99
FROM - Baudelaire
Okay, before we get carried away with UV's mutagenic properties, let's
remember that cannabis and it's pollen
have been adapting to Earth's range of UV levels quite well for a few million
years or so...It seems to be doing
fine.
KQ, pollen can't "mutate", only germ cells in the seed can mutate. You
mean that the DNA in the pollen grain
could be altered or damaged, I believe. But if pollen DNA was "easily"
altered by UV, cannabis would've mutated
itself to extinction long before the first sadhu carved a chillum. Remember,
mutations are a key aspect of
adaptation, but it is a brutal process which is overwhelmingly negative
for the individuals involved- 99.9% of
mutations do not survive to reproduce.
Generally, arbitrary mutation is not regarded as a productive breeding
strategy. That said, I do know of some
large-scale environmentally-induced mutation/adaptation breeding programs
being conducted on farm crops by a
major biochemical company in the U.S. as an alternative to the genetically
engineered crops developed by
Monsanto. But I believe the program incorporates environmental stressing
to isolate highly adaptive genotypes
rather than relying on mutations for breakthroughs. Basically, they choke
an acre of pepper seedlings with their
favorite herbicide, and breed the ones that survive. So they can market
a seed that is "greener" than Monsanto.
Wonders of modern science.
B420
TOPIC - My contribution to the ongoing UV symposium
DATE - 07:31:32 9/21/99
FROM - KQ
Pollen is easily mutated then killed with strong UV. UV can easily mess
with DNA from pollen as the whole
pollen grain is small and transparent to UV.
UV acts on pollen floating thru the air via its ionizing radiation properties!
More UV, more chances of mutation
that the subsequent season may or may not incorporate into the gene pool.
TOPIC - I may sound like a "broken record", but...
DATE - 05:17:36 9/21/99
FROM - Soul
OT1_~ You seem to believe that the GENES of the parent plants can be altered
by their growing environment &
their offspring will reflect that environment? You wrote to Peaceness,
"I would love to have access to an
environment like that to do some BREEDING in". Do you continue to believe
that the environment in which the
parents are grown influences the offspring?
A plant's genes are CONSTANT, they do not change in response to the environment...they
are simply the
"blueprints" which dictate the individual's response to the environment
it's being grown in.
Suppose, for example, I pollinate a clone from "Princess" grown outdoors
with the same pollen I use to pollinate
another Princess clone grown indoors; despite the environmentally-induced
differences in the APPEARANCE of
each clone, the seeds produced by each will be the SAME. If they weren't,
then seed banks would have to
carefully duplicate the parent plant's growing conditions for each seed
crop to avoid causing variance in the
outcome of the resulting seeds.
As long as the SAME two parents are crossed, the seed will be CONSTANT
in it's genetic profile, regardless of
the environment the parents were grown in.
If your parents had lived in the US when you were conceived, do you think
it would have influenced the color of
your skin, eyes, or hair?
Peace, love & understanding {"8^)_~
TOPIC - Sorry buddy...
DATE - 23:45:20 9/20/99
FROM - shaggy
I've been out of town for a little while and haven't had a chance to look
at that thread we started. I'd love to keep it
going, though. I'll have a response up tomorrow night. Sorry for the delay.
I just did some amazing class IV and V
whitewater rafting....glad I'm still alive!
stay safe,
shaggy
Any takers on my question?
TOPIC - ATTN SHAGGY
DATE - 21:57:59 9/20/99
FROM - KGB
Hey man, didja see the response to your post in the shark tank re Thailand
and Thai weed, etc.? Would still love
to discuss it there, if yer into it....
KGB
TOPIC - budding
DATE - 20:59:00 9/20/99
FROM - no name
hope someone can help?
i have 2 plants in bud (8 weeks) all the others are done
is it ok if i put them in a veg room for 12 hrs a day until they are done??if
any what may be the downfall and to
wich plants?
TOPIC - Blah Blah Blah
DATE - 20:03:08 9/20/99
FROM - Curious George
Vic, you're right about it being a "no reply" E-mail service that I've
been using. Until such time as I can get my
computer upgraded, and my computer skills improved, I'll have to make it
a one-way street. What can I say?
"Paranoia strikes deep, Into your heart it will creep ... "
Oldtimer, I suspect that the researchers use leaf samples because it's
easier to get consistant samples from leaf
than from calayxes, especially if they are measuring levels throughout
the plants life cycle, during most of which
there are No calaxes to measure. Leaves are always available for measurement.
How or why the levels of THC change during the day are both unknown to
me ... I just know that the reported
research shows that it happens ... the levels were shown to be highest
in early AM and then went down, and
then went up during the middle of the day, but not quite up to the levels
of the early AM. Whether this a reaction
to UV or something else, I haven't a clue ... though I do recall reading
a post somewhere about the chemistry of
the canniboids and their progression along the metabolic pathways. At least
the relationships between the
constituent chemicals have been researched. What use we can make of that
information remains to be seen.
Yesterday it was reported that Bill Bradley, the only Democrat besides
Al Gore now running for the presidential
nomination, has admitted smoking weed "on several occasions" during a Sunday
morning show on ABC. He
evidently also asked Sam Donaldson if he had ever smoked ... Sam was evidently
flustered when the tables were
turned on him. ( The less said about Cokie Roberts, the slime-sucking snitch
bitch, the better.)
Does it make sence that seeds developed for indoor use would be even better
when grown outdoors, with
unlimited CO2 and "real" UV?
Just Curious
TOPIC - occam & iron glass
DATE - 17:22:17 9/20/99
FROM - Blazer
Man I must of been thinking crystal or something...LOL It is low iron glass.
I'd like to read a little more about that
if You have it. What percentage passes through ordinary glass I wonder?
Cool and thanks for the info.
Blazer;)
TOPIC - Watering at a low pH...
DATE - 17:00:13 9/20/99
FROM - shaggy
There was a bit of discussion awhile back about watering plants with a
low pH organic fertilizers (ala Earth
Juice). The question was does this necessarily hurt the plant as the pH
could rise over time (just like it would in
a bubbling resevoir)?
I know ~S~ used to bubble his Earth Juice up to 7 then knock it down w/some
catalyst. Any opinions on
whether this step is necessary?
digit,
shaggy
TOPIC -
DATE - 15:20:26 9/20/99
FROM - oldtimer1
peacness I donít think I said that growing at high elevations made plants
finish quicker. For every 100 ft above
sea level you loose x number of days of viable growing season depending
on the latitude. The indica plants from
the Hindu kush area would be perfectly adapted to where you are given that
your local weather patterns are
similar. At 1500 meters the oxygen and CO2 levels are lower photosynthesis
is slower. The air is cleaner and
thinner the light balance is altered towards the blue spectrum, I have
a feeling you should have some pretty
potent puff i envy you, I would love to have access to an environment like
that to do some breeding in. If you want
tall plants, the sats from above Herat would be the thing for you I donít
know any one with any now and until
things settle down in Afghanistan its unlikely any will become available,
they are so adapted that even at 3000
meters they come up through the snow as it melts in the spring and are
more frost resistant than the indicas
farmed a thousand meters or so below.
I help out with a Zoo and reptiles and some insects need uv They use polycarbonate
between mercury lamps and
the animals as glass converts most of the uv to lower wavelengths.
shaggy I have had friends suffer with snow blindness in less than a day
trying to rub a few more pucks at high
altitude in Kashmir after an early snow fall in Sep there is plenty of
uv up there even then. The best grass I ever
had came from Kenya, a multinational turfed all the villages out of the
area to grow coffee! To this day i wont buy
Kenya coffee a small protest on my part.
CG I remember you saying about resin not meaning thc, 2 years ago a friend
found a hemp field in Cornwall
these plants had a lot of resin and smelled good so took a bag full of
heads, this is the EC recommended French
low thc type, guaranteed to be less than .03% thc. I just had to try it,
well you could smoke a bin liner full of it
and it wouldn't do a thing.
On the thc thing a suggestion, tricomes are most densely formed on the
calyxes, so may be its to protect that
precious seed. Thc has been said to be a very efficient uv filter. Could
it be that when the sun light is at its
brightest that the uv breaks down the thc faster than it is being metabolised?
If this was true then the glands
would be recharging overnight. That would also mean the best time to harvest
your grass would be at dawn?
Have you noticed that a lot of scientists tend to use leaf samples I would
have thought that taking a few calyxes
from a bud would be more consistent and to keep using the same bud. Only
idle speculation. Ot1.
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:42:35 9/20/99
FROM - Vic High
C George - thanks for the email, I didn't reply because I didn't know if
that type allows replies, hehe. Thanks for
the help and if you could give some details, like amount, hehe, I won't
stop in trying to account for it, hehe.
Baudelaire - do you do email? Got a Q about a recent contribution of yours.
MG - leave that mystery plant alone!! haha. I'm still laughing that I didn't
remeber what it was!! Good thing I didn't
accidently send those to someone who lives in an apt.
TOPIC - a1 auction
DATE - 07:30:50 9/20/99
FROM - Vic High
Most of the current discussion on the A1 auction is taking place at www.overgrow.com
and is taking place on
their "special projects" page. I had also created a tally sheet and some
rough notes at
http://www.coastnet.com/~bcga/a1main.html
However, lack of feedback from the recipients has stalled things. Check
out the overgrow site for more details, an
dplease give some feedback on how to proceed. It's not my descion to make
it's yours :)
TOPIC - vic
DATE - 06:54:18 9/20/99
FROM - diane
I've been away lately, but I've seen
some mention here of a seed sale/auction
for A-1. Will that be here on this board?
TOPIC - peaceness...
DATE - 00:00:44 9/20/99
FROM - m.g.
are you doing it in pots or natural ground? i've found plants in pots will
mature faster than grounded plants.
btw, i'm at same lat but at 2500'. most the bc plants i get are short and
bulky while the sat-doms are the trees
you may be searching for. hope to have a nice cross available by x-mas
for you and everyone to try out. it will be
a c99 x humboldt skunk with the skunk coming from a plant from appx 20
years ago. it's a late bloomer but
hopefully he c99 will cut the flower time down a bit. at any rate...the
humboldt skunk is a nice, HUGE plant
similar to cali-o with multi-poundage/plant under southerly conditions.
TOPIC - Mississippi Studies
DATE - 20:09:01 9/19/99
FROM - Curious George
Oldtimer: Your mention of "studies in Mississippi" triggered the firing
of some neurons and synapses that were
long dormant. Those studies were done for several years in the mid 70's,
under contract to the U.S. Government,
at the University of Mississippi in Oxford. As I recall, a lot of the findings
were published.
During that period, under a peculiar set of circumstances, I was able to
do a short "interview" with Dr. Carlton
Turner, the guy who directed the project. ( Actually, I was pumping him
hard for useful grow information. ) The
bottom line, as far as he was concerned, was genetics. Once a strain was
selected, he believed in "treating it
just like corn". He also indicated that cannabis was an "exhaustive" plant
that would use all of the nutrients that
could be provided. ( I'm inclined to believe this ... a simple outdoor
test with clones in several sizes of prepared
hole could be interesting in this regard.)
I remember one of the published studies from this project involved testing
plants for THC/CBD/CBN on a regular
schedule. This bears on the "Why" of THC production ... as opposed to the
"Why" of trichome production.
If the "goodies" are only a form of protection for the plant from UV and
desication, then the THC levels would be
highest when this protection is most needed, in mid-day and early afternoon.
However, these studies showed
otherwise. The levels were checked on leaf samples that were taken on an
Hourly Basis, over several months.
The levels of drug constituents were graphed and were shown to be changing
on a monthly, weekly, daily , and
Hourly basis, with the highest levels occuring in the early morning.
How much "drift" from these levels happens when the herb is harvested is
unknown to me. Presumably a "30 day
cure" has some effect on the constituent chemicals as well as the taste
and aroma, but I'm not going to worry
about it.
TOPIC - OT1: Alltitude
DATE - 18:23:52 9/19/99
FROM - peaceness
hello all, outdoors is going good, have harvested p.75 and g13xnlb outdoors
already, have about 2 weeks more
for the p.75xromberry, ww14, superskunk, romberry, and about 3 and a half
weeks for the n.l. 5 x sk. 1. this
leads me to my question which i have been VERY curious about. i am growing
at 5000 feet elevation at 35
degrees lattitude. i have noticed that vegettaive growth along with height
for all my plants has not been signficant
at all. in fact the plants have gotten about 3 feet tall average, with
multiple tops, as i prunned early, as compared
to many growers whose plants get 6' plus. keep in mind that i planted clones
outdoors on may 15.
I find this dissapointing as i wanted huge trees. also, the plants are
maturing earlier than most growers i have
spoken with, in fact one of my plants g13xnlb is already ready as opposed
to a buddy of mine who harvests the
same plant 2nd week of october but at different elevations and altitudes.
my questions are:
1. at higher alttitudes, do plants grow slower, and stay shorter as compared
to lower elevation growing?
2. ot1 mentioned that at higher alttitdes, plants finish quicker, has anyone
else experienced this?
-Peaceness
TOPIC - Greenhouse glass
DATE - 17:47:18 9/19/99
FROM - occam
Hi Blazer, I'm not sure about low-lead glass, but modern greenhouse glass
is generally a low-iron formulation,
that is advertised as providing "higher light transmissions reaching 91
to 95 percent".
There is also a "low E glass" that has a metallic oxide applied to the
surface that reflects long wave radiation.
At least that's the claim by the manufacturers.
TOPIC - blazer chameleon question
DATE - 16:39:05 9/19/99
FROM - cedartop
little off the wall, but wondering what chameleons eat. the reason for
the question is my mother years ago used
to keep a chameleon or two in her flower pots in the house. she claimed
that they controlled any bug problems
and i gotta admit she always had pretty plants. wondering if they might
be good in another type of organic
garden!!.
thanks
TOPIC - OT1
DATE - 16:13:04 9/19/99
FROM - Blazer
You mentioned the loss of UV as the light passes through it. When I was
breeding chameleons a few years ago,
UV was a huge issue for them to metabolize certain vitamins etc.. I was
told by another breeder to use "low lead
glass" to reduce that loss through the window or in this case, a HID hood.
Well I have never heard the lighting
comapnies making any mention of it, but I did hear that many greenhouse's
are made from it. Well I can't even
find a thread of this sort of glass's existence so far. Have You ever heard
that 1 or think "We" are loosing much
UV via the glass? I know it's minimal and a silly Q that probably won't
lead anywhere, just curious. TIA
Blaze
TOPIC - WOW
DATE - 16:09:05 9/19/99
FROM - shaggy
God I Love this board! Please keep these conversations going! Props to
all of you on this crazy ass conversation.
BTW I've smoked crazy weed in the Himalayas and next to the equator. Very different UV levels there.
digit,
shaggy
TOPIC - Hawaiian, OT1
DATE - 14:42:35 9/19/99
FROM - Baudelaire
Cleansed- I'd recommend the Hawaiian Indica from Sensi Seeds, Amsterdam.
Excellent sale price right now
through ubino.com Not the most powerful, but has great fruity/lemony taste
and nice sativa-laced high. Good
weight as well. A favorite day weed for me that I keep coming back to.
OT1- That was some righteous history, man. Building lightboxes 35 year
ago, I'm incredulous. I bought my first
growbook out of a classified ad in Rolling Stone magazine in 1973. Soon
I was popping seeds in Dixie cups and
planting the starts in raspberry thickets all over the place. Usually be
about a week before the rabbits got em.
Once and a while one would take hold and then, holy hell, Jack-in-the-Beanstalk
time. Come October's frosts
we'd be baking shade leaves in the oven, ripping our lungs out and hoping
Charlie scored that Colombo brown
he'd been bragging about for a week. Then, one strange long fall in 1978,
one of our backwoods plants grew
short, got all fuzzy with flowers, and even crystalled up a little before
we had to chop. Yee-haw! But growing bag
seed, we didn't know we had finally grown an indica cross, probably a skunk.
Just thought we'd got lucky. Our
grow world was never the same after that. Bag weed lost its seeds, quadrupled
in price, and turned from brown to
green. It got you more stoned, but not as high, as per your distinction.
But if you found a stray seed in the sinse
bud, you could grow and finish weed in New York, or Kentucky, or Oregon.
And so it went....
B420
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:54:16 9/19/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Soul Iím sorry But I still think Iím expressing myself badly. A year ago
I brought up our findings on the lighting
pretty much as below and was pooh poohed both here and else where, including
at the time by your good self.
My contention then and now is that just using sodium lights alone makes
it very hard to differentiate the
exceptional and doesn't allow the genetics to express their potential if
thats the way you want to say it. Iíve been
told time after time Iím wrong about this! Think back! Well I still donít
think so. Iíll restate what i said below the
indoor strains developed in the states were grown with metal arc halides
they gave off a bigger percentage of uv
than the current halides especially the colour enhanced ones. The Dutch
have done at least two seed crops a
year for the last 10 to 15 years using mostly highbay 400 w sodiums if
this isnít a pathway to poor breeding and
stock degeneration i donít know what else I can say. Wernard was aware
of this years ago and had it posted at
his positronics site that the loss of uv through glass had a noticeable
effect on the potency of the end product
using known clones. Consequently they grew grass for sale under plastic
using darkening to finish it early not for
cheapness but because he cared about the quality of the end product. I
think its a while since you have been in
the dam, I think you are in for a shock when you try the quality of the
current product and not a good one at that.
Next year Iím going to put out some C99 for folks to try outdoors and under
glass etc it is fast unlike my vars. I
want to see what our environment does to it. Our current stock varies in
physical form a lot given different growing
conditions, All i have done is connect that with what i have read in the
past and said ok it seems to match.
Baudelaire says different I don't disbelieve him but what he says just
doesn't match with what my vars did here.
DIG Resellers in the uk selling dutch seeds in origanal packs charge a
little more than they are over the counter
in the dam. Any thing else could be bird seed!
Ot1.
TOPIC - WHY R SEEDS SO MUCH MONEY?
DATE - 13:10:04 9/19/99
FROM - DIG
I have seen seed from Amsterdam that are the same as the seed you are selling
and are not $100-200
I was in England and at the back of megs they have seeds forsale 30 pounds
20 pounds UK, I don't know why
you can't lower you prices? because i can't afored that price $180 for
10 seeds, I could get 100 seeds for 35
pounds UK,
**DIG**
Link: none
TOPIC - Cleansed
DATE - 11:11:32 9/19/99
FROM - Blazer
I must concur w/ OT1 on Your seed shopping. I have bought Amsterdam strains
on about 12 different occasions,
paid top dollar. Out of all those strians, I have 1 ak47 that I consider
a keeper. So out of a thousand +dollars, I
have 1 plany to show and the rest of the garden are genetics from the people
that are contributing to the auction
and Our collective breeding in N. America. I say to hell w/ the dutch strians
IMO, they have just wasted My
time(lotsa time!) and money. All the killers Your looking for will be on
the block there, I promise. Not to mention
helping fight the fight for freedom and A-1, which is all in the same practically.
I'm gonna buy just for kicks, I have
more seeds than I think I'll grow out in My life time, but just the idea
of having them all just in case is worth it;)
My 2 cents;)
Blazer
OH BTW I do have a vial of seeds that a friend gave to Me. He lived in
Hawaii in the 70's and saved a vial of
seeds from back then and gavethem to Me. They haven't been stored worth
a shit and most do not look viable,
but I have around 30 to work w/. I don't have room for a plant like this(
I think it'll be a huge sativa). I may germ
some and see or pass them on, I'll decide asap and spread them out. Remember
ALL, sharing is where it's at
friends...Or I think it should be;).
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:50:14 9/19/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Cleansed There is going to be a seed auction for A_1ís defence soon at
overgrow. There will be some top vars
going, take a look at the list when Vic updates it! Personally I think
you will find better there! The boutique
breeders are from the vars I have tried, producing better seed at the present
than the Dutch! The chance of you
finding the Hawaiian you liked so much is remote, Your best chance would
be to go the cafe and try and get an
intro to the grower and buy a rooted clone. Depending on how unique the
var is will cost from 50 to thousands of
gilders. The puff vars sold in coffee shops have been selected from growing
out hundreds of seeds before
selecting a mum for production.
Hope this helps a little. Ot1
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:49:28 9/19/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Baudelaire You have given me a lot to think about I just love this its
stimulating! The reference to physical
changes and thc/cbd/cbn ratios came from High Times or Sensemilla tips
or may be from one of the writers of
books associated with them. I have read most of the magazines and books
over the years its hard to remember
which but I seem to remember the university of Mississippi being mentioned
if thats any help. As to your
knowledge of how things grow area to area in the states, I cant dispute
yours being first hand mine from reading.
As to personal observations matching what I have read Iíll out line them
you analyse them for me and maybe we
can get some light from a different perspectives. When I first tried growing
here 35 + years ago it was from stash
seed mainly from Africa, Jamaica and a little from south America. Well
they did just what you said about the
Mexican in cali except they would be dead by November and would have hardly
started flowering. I tried growing
in pots and bringing them under glass, no go they just went longer and
made loads of twigs with few calyxes and
the odd white pistils usually hermy to boot. It was crap to smoke and barely
potent. A friend of mine at the time
was studying at the glasshouse crop research institute suggested that it
was a photo periodic prob [we didnít
know about light hours at the time] and took me to see the darkening system
they were developing for
chrysanthemums. He also suggested maybe lights could be used. So about
35 years ago I built my first indoor
flowering cabinet just to finish a plant off. I used growlux tubes over
head and down the sides which knowing what
I do now were pretty useless, even so they did the job producing some semi
potent if a little green tasting puff. It
took a while to work out 11 hrs light and 13 hrs dark was needed for them
to flower properly somewhat different
to todays plants with indica in using 12/12. Any how we got some quite
palatable smoke. Looking at it in todays
light the furthest from the equator any of these plants came from was 18
deg and they seem very hard to adapt in
a pure form as even with protection I never produced a viable seed. I have
little experience with pure Indicaís.
Depending on who you believe as to its natural range. It is either a lower
altitude plant that grew in valley bottoms
in northern Afghanistan that was developed to meet the expanding western
demand, or more to my way of
thinking brought by the Bokhara refugees when they fled the Russians in
the 1870ís to Afghanistan and Chinese
Turkestan. Either way its centre of adaption would be 35 deg north in the
first inst or 40 deg in the second, at
valley altitudes 1500 to 2000 m that would make it fairly well adapted
to quite a lot of the USA apart from the
altitude affecting the light spectrum and season length being longer at
lower alt!
Most of the seed that provided the genetics for our todays mothers came
from American hippies who were
connected with some semi religious commune group devoted to weed. Were
crosses made with seed brought
from Afghanistan to sativas and developed field scale in California. These
folk used to visit the squat we lived in at
the time! Going back to cally for the autumn harvest and coming back in
the new year / spring with sun grown
buds that were pretty dam good and new seeds for me, I have a lot to thank
them for! Our stock plants are all
sativa heavy as far as genetics go although not always by looks! We keep
our selected lines going as mums, the
longest I have kept a mum alive is 15 years before having to reclone it.
All were selected for potent sativa highs
each unique and also for form to suite our growing system. As far as I
can tell there has been no deterioration
over the years and the quality is as good now as when grown the first time
from seed given the same growing
conditions. Where things seem to change is when growing conditions are
changed. We experimented with
lighting using our vars. Using just sodium light the high becomes flat
and boring still very strong and the buds
resinous but the structure not as dense. When just grown under a HQI-T
MH the quality of the high is a whole lot
better with plenty of up and much more exciting. The bud quality is better
but producing 30% less crop weight.
Using a combination of the two lights produces the best bud weight, density
and psycoactivly the best high>
Transfer interrupted!
commercial northern lights was included in this test it made little difference
to its stone I wonít say high, under
the different light combinations but its best weight came from the sodium
alone. We blind tested our var on over
20 smokers saying we were selecting 3 similar plants asking them to select
the best as a keeper, non selected
the sodium only, 4 liked the halide best the rest the combination. 50 w
per sq ft was used in each cubical the
soil and feed was the same. The same plant it has been grown in a glass
conservatory a polytunnel and outside
in a sunny sheltered spot. The plant under lights was selected for being
columnar in form. Under glass it
stretched had long gaps between long branches that were lax flopping all
over the place the leaves were larger
paler green broader and hanging down. The buds were soft, fluffy and long,
they were cut early Nov, There was
little smell or taste, calyxes were large and sparse tricome development.
The stone was low down similar to the
sodium grow but nowhere as good. The outdoor grow were tall and wippy small
dark green leaves the pistils were
white but the small bud leaves went bright purple at the end of Sep they
were cut 10 th of Oct due to continuous
rain causing the start of botritus. The calyxes were tiny as were the tricomes
the buds were full of small leaves
that were covered with tricomes as well. Surprisingly this had a lot more
up than the crop grown under the
sodium but not as strong over all it beat the under glass crop hands down,
but was a bit green tasting to smoke.
The 3 plants grown under the homemade polytunnel was the biggest surprise
it was 15 ft high x 15 ft w x 20 ft
long the plants grew sturdy short nodes wide strong branches, by the time
they were cut at the end of October
the whole thing was full side to side end to end and protruding out of
the end flaps it had to be cut as night frosts
were forecast. The stems at ground level were 2 to 2.5 inches in diameter
and the main leaves enormous dark
green hanging down like large hands. The buds were still 90% white but
had density and were frosty with
tricomes once again the buds were full of small leaves [they didn't turn
purple]! This makes them a nightmare to
trim, indoors this is an easy plant to manicure. They completely filled
the attic where they dried them and it
stank the house up for weeks. At the end of the day they got 4.5 lbs of
bud and a couple of big boxes of trim. I
know this doesn't compare with Danbos 3 lb per plant but this is the UK
not Cal! Oh yes it was strong with a
good complex up high. It still didnít compare with the indoor MH or mixed
light product, either for bud quality or
high, But it was still pretty dam good. They were all clones from the same
mum and were planted out the third
week in May. I know the growers were different, but I bred and selected
the plant and have grown it for 10 years
indoors! When I visited each site, I would not have recognised any as the
same one I grow indoors. You certainly
wouldn't recognise them as being the same plant from site to site either
they just looked so different in form, leaf
structure and colour. I know a lot of the above goes against current thinking
but they are my observations!
Ot1
TOPIC - Peacemaker
DATE - 07:08:44 9/19/99
FROM - Cleansed
So there is a chance that this is White shark?...I bought some peacemaker
at Tweede Kamer..(they use the
Dampkring menu) and a friend bought some white shark at the GH and they
seemed like totally different
strains..tho i was a little under the influence at the time....anyone else
know anything....The peacemaker was the
one bud that i was determined to keep a bit of...simply delicious....funny
how there is no info whatsoever about it
anywhere...it won Bio 97 right?..also....Be careful...some english seedbanks
are not what they seem...you
canadians seem to have it more together....
TOPIC - I'm only a "part-timer" these days.
DATE - 06:08:43 9/19/99
FROM - Soul
Flick_~ Sorry to say I never got any mail from you. I've been on/off the
net lately...but I DO check my mail daily.
Oh, I was @ "The Rally" yesterday - were you?
GreenBear_~ Thanks for the glassware! VERY nice.
Vic_~ Your comments on the mechanism for passing on UV-resistance to future
generations is CORRECT, of
course. That's the whole POINT of why I was challenging OT1's assertion
that breeding indoors (low-UV) leads to
decline in potency. That can only happen if the less-potent plants are
being selected as the breeding stock. That
would happen only if these plants were mistakenly judged to be "superior"
in the low-UV environment. Since
potency & quality of high are among the TOP criteria used in selection
of breeding individuals (au moins chez
MOI), that seems unlikely to be the case.
OT1_~ Baudelaire's right, you express yourself just FINE mate ;) You stated
that the environment needs to be
sufficient to bring out the genetic potential of the plant. Somehow, you're
simultaneously insisting that the lack of
sufficient UV in the growing environment of parent plants causes lower-potency
offspring, when it's much more
logical to identify that the lower UV environment ITSELF as directly affecting
the individual plant - not allowing
complete expression of its potency potential. That genetic potential remains
UNCHANGED in the parents,
regardless of the environment in which they were grown. Therefore these
lower-potency offspring must result from
poor selection of parental stock. The effect is compounded of course when
these offspring are then grown in
low-UV.
BTW, I got my photo of "StoneHedge" - THANKS MATE!
CG_~ The research you referenced suggests that UV exposure increases the
EXPRESSION of resin production,
certainly this exposure would help to identify the plants with the most
POTENTIAL for resin production. Perhaps,
when grown indoors, these plants no longer "stick out like sore thumbs"
and the breeders mistakenly choose
other than the best for breeding future generations...leading to the decline
in potency. The genetic potential a
plant may pass on to its offspring CANNOT be altered simply by UV exposure
during its lifetime. If that were
possible, one could breed tail-less mice by cutting the tails off of the
breeding pairs. Classic example, eh Vic?
Baudelaire_~ Your point that it wouldn't matter which strain was purchased
by an Iowa farmer if OT1's assertions
were true mirrors my thinking as well. All the seed banks would go out
of business if it worked that way...growers
would get essentially the SAME plant from ANY type of seed if the environmental
effects were THAT dominant.
TOPIC - hey mg :)
DATE - 04:27:28 9/19/99
FROM - anon
killer plant... sounds like perfect outdoor natural growth to me... you're
making me drool :)-~'
TOPIC -
DATE - 18:36:37 9/18/99
FROM - m.g.
hey aeric77...please drop me a line when ya get the chance. lost your addy
ages ago and no way to get back in
touch...even your icq info is gone. installed a new HD a few months ago
and lost all my old info (no worries, i
kept the old HD and all was done in-house and old HD's make great targets
for practice plinking!).
btw, the cali-o is killer looking! HUGE plant (pics available) and a most
unique smell of oranges...oodles of long,
18"+, very frosty spears and just now filling in. looking like another
month before harvest. does that sound about
right for natural, outdoor growth?
TOPIC - Occam.......
DATE - 16:24:19 9/18/99
FROM - aeric77
....you have mail.......
Vic sorry for using your board for this.........will try to limit it.......
TOPIC - peacemaker
DATE - 15:59:49 9/18/99
FROM - la.bud
according to richard at HS peacemaker is great white shark...
TOPIC - :)
DATE - 15:32:08 9/18/99
FROM - Cleansed
The commercial bud over here is awful....you have it easy:)....I remember
the hawaiian was light and really
fruity...I wish i could remember the coffeeshop name but i just know it
was in Dam Square and had an electronic
board with all the seed details...The bud i bought was under the grass
section and they were 2 wonderful little
rounded lime nugs...The smell and taste were incredible....I reckon it
was probably a pure sativa but back then i
had no idea....also there is another strain i adored but haven't found
ANY info at all about on the
net...Peacemaker....any clues?
TOPIC - almost forgot
DATE - 15:06:26 9/18/99
FROM - Vic High
Chronic, almost did it again, haha. No personal experience here. But have
heard good reviews on it. If you are
organic, I can't see a problem. maybe toss them a leaf every now and then
to compliment the oatmeal diet?
Should make them happy worms, hehe. I keep meaning to grab some worms and
add one or two to each pot,
but have never gotten around to it.
TOPIC - garden update
DATE - 14:49:55 9/18/99
FROM - Vic High
Day 18 of 12/12 with the garden of romulan, C99, G13 and the token chemo
plant. This chemo plant blows me
away, it already has nugs bigger than some other will ever produce,haha.
Already looks good enough to smoke. I
wish I didn't loose the males to this one. The bud lacked character anyway,
haha. The other new observation is
with the g13, I just noticed the the cola tips (meristem tissue) have a
rather dark colour to them, almost looked
like it was dead plant tissue at first. This is a first for me. Any g13
growers ever notice this? Romulan seems
happy, she's started making the pink pistals she makes when happy. And
C99 are still the biggest of the lot.
Probably same dry weight as romulan, just more spead out, but not in a
bad way, more flower sites this way,
hehe. It still looks like a skunk to me, but the only previous sativa experiences
was skunk and peruvian sativa,
and she is far from looking like the per sats. Oh yeah durban, but that
DP version is not a sativa, don't care what
they say.
I miss the larger garden with the 10 gal pots, now those were real plants
and colas. But these 2 gals seem to be
getting the job done and are more suited to the single stationary 1K setup.
Cleansed - I haven't met a bad UK grower yet, haha. That hawaiian sample
you remember .. was it more sativa or
indica? Federation Seeds has a hawiian sativa that Marc Emery is in love
with. I looked at pics at his website
and it looked about as much sativa as DP's durban, but who knows. Emery
does seem to have good taste.
Wadsworth - well my post above should tell you my experience level with
32 oz cups, haha. You'll just have to
tell us how it works out, haha. On the peroxide, I would hold off on that
unless you have a concern about
overwatering. The peroxide will kill the soil microbes, thus reducing the
effectivness of your organic soil mix. In
pots as small as yours (32oz) I don't think overwatering could become a
problem if you let them dry between
waterings. I go by pot weight, something that won't take you long to get
a feel for.
Yes Occam, contact Aeric. It's about what you were asking me for and I couldn't deliver.
CG - excellent points on other factors influencing THC production. Although
important to this discussion, they
will be mute points to my particular situation. I just want to try and
see if UV could be used for identifying the
most potent males in a seed growout. What is interesting is that nobody
has nailed me with the obvious. You
know how when you first take a plant from outdoors or a greenhouse to the
direct sun, it will fry unless you
"harden" it off first? Well this applies to most non THC producing plants,
not just cannabis. These plants do
adapt to the direct sun and it's UV, so obviously a plant has many more
mechanisms to block UV than just
cannabinoids. My selection pressure could easily be selecting for something
other than THC production. I may
be just creating plants that will do really well in the desert sun, haha.
As for the comments about not knowing whether a clone that adapts to UV
exposure will pass it's resistance to
it's offspring is a little confusing. A plant will pass along it's ability
to adapt. Selection is where you can
experience the gains, not simply from exposing them. You can't take a garden,
expose it to UV stress and
expect the next generation to be more UV tolerant. You must select the
plants that handled the UV stress the
best and select only those as your breeding stock. Then yes, you can expect
the next generation to be
improved. Nobody is suggesting a Lamarkian concept here, even if on the
surface it may look like it, hehe. But I
think I'm getting your point. I may be able to improve my seedline to create
more potent strains, but they may
only display this added potency in the presence of UV, meaning that they
would lack potency under HPS still.
However, we will finally have the data to know for certain if I do this
right.
TOPIC - Hawaiian?
DATE - 11:35:32 9/18/99
FROM - Cleansed
My first question didnt get much response but i thought i'd try anyway.....On
my first trip to amsterdam a couple
of years back i remember trying some hawaiian that blew me away...the taste
was just incredible....since then
my love affair with this strain has continued and i bought some skunk 1/Hawaiian
sativa from Nirvana a while
back and got 2 females out of 5...both had huge leaves...very skunky smell
and cured to a blueish colour...very
strange...both formed a huge main cola with little branching and potency
was good but the taste that i had
remembered wasnt there...I'm still desperately looking for a pure hawaiian
and need a seedbank that is
comfortable sending to London...any tips?...Thanks a bunch for any help...:)
TOPIC - BudM
DATE - 10:58:02 9/18/99
FROM - Blazer
Phew!Great to hear all is well...See Ya soon;)
Blazer
TOPIC - Occam's Razor.......
DATE - 07:30:56 9/18/99
FROM - aeric77
hey old friend......send an email to say hi to me at operamail.com..........I
need some advice on speaking with a
plant or 2.....
TOPIC - Romberry
DATE - 19:13:00 9/17/99
FROM - Wadsworth
I have some romberry seeds from H.S. that I
just started sprouting. 4 out of 5 that I tried
germinated. 1 got fuzzy and died. Next I'm
trying the blueberry seeds . All of these are
BCGA seeds. I also sprouted 5 out of 6 Purple
Passion seeds. These are Dutch Passion. These
will be grown in a homemade organic soil mix that
has a little of everything organic. I'm also putting
superthrive & peroxide in the water. Any comments
would be appreciated.
I do have two questions 1) About how big will Blueberry
and Romberry get under 400w if planted in a 32oz cup?
2) I have an Eco-Technics light. Does anyone know naything
about this brand? The lamp housing is a large glass tube
about 6" in dia.
keep smokin'
Wadsworth ;^0-~
TOPIC -
DATE - 18:58:07 9/17/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
Vic- Im real sorry for my absebce, my puter failer was only the start of
a very painfull week, a loved one has a life
ending desease, and its hit my entire family hard. I posted a explaination
at "overgrow", and lashed out at NL420
for "assuming" things past his comprehension. Thanks for the support Vic.
Im at a copy center using there
computer, so Ill be short. I hope to repair my computer after Ireturn from
Miami, next month, untill then take care
and stay safe;-))
OT1- You have snail mail...
Peace
TOPIC - Live worms...
DATE - 16:33:00 9/17/99
FROM - chronic man
Has anyone tried using live worms in 5 gallon buckets? I would think that
they would add plenty of worm castings
on a continuous basis. I've heard that if you add a little oatmeal every
once in a while, that they will eat that. I've
also heard that they don't like chemical ferts, PH swings, etc., but I'm
using organic soil, so I would think it
would be OK. Maybe the worm castings that you buy at nurseries have been
sitting for a while, so they are more
useful to growing plants. I'm not sure about that one, but I think I heard
somewhere that they do need to age for a
while. Just wondering....
TIA
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - Here's the Scoop ...
DATE - 15:47:42 9/17/99
FROM - Curious George
OK folks ... even though I'm in the process of requesting re-print rights
to this old study for my forthcoming
grow-book, I'll drop a nug that relates to the UV debate.
The study in question was done about 30 years ago in the Midwestern US.
The researchers tested samples of
wild ditch-weed and also measured the constituents of the soil, the slope
of the ground, and other factors that
didn't involve weather.
Even without detailed genetic testing, which was unavailable at the time,
we can safely assume that the ditch
weed they tested was of a stabilized, homogenous population. The results
were quite interesting in that there
was a great deal of variation in the levels of THC found in seperate patches
of wild hemp, and it seemed to show
that particular soil and slope factors were responsible for these increased
levels.
Given these results, it's a good bet that increased UV would probably increase
the amount of THC in a given
plant, but there's no way to know for sure just how much or whether it
would pass on the trait to future
generations if allowed to seed.
I got a chuckle out of Ed Rosenthals column a few months ago when he was
unable to answer a question and
professed ignorance of Any study having been done on the relationship between
soil constituents and THC.
More on this later ...
TOPIC - Vic
DATE - 13:56:04 9/17/99
FROM - Mota
Vic,
Did you get my e-mail?
Paz,
Mota
TOPIC - Dutch Genetics....
DATE - 10:36:36 9/17/99
FROM - Cleansed
Howdy....First i'd like to say this is one hell of a board....also there
seem to be some english growers on
here....This is a surprise to me as we are still generally fairly backwards
over here when it comes to growing...i
was just wondering about the opinions you guys have of some of the top
dutch companies,specifically the
greenhouse seed company,sensi seeds and dutch passion....The greenhouse
especially seems to win
everything at the C.Cup yet i heard that many B.C strains are far better
as far as potency and general vigour are
concerned...any advice is appreciated...many thanks..:)
TOPIC - Breeder Steve's new projects
DATE - 09:33:38 9/17/99
FROM - Baudelaire
Lothar- Re: Breeder Steve
I don't think I'm giving anything away here, but Marc Emery is telling
folks that Breeder Steve is working in
Switzerland with Ed Rosenthal and Alan Dronkers at Sensi's breeding facility
there. Sounds like a great
combination to me.
B420
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:39:20 9/17/99
FROM - Vic High
Sorry, just doing a quick cruise through this AM, bit, pink Floyd, how
about a detailed writeup on those ESB
beans? I think yours will be the first, and we need one for that batch.
Yes they will become available as soon as
I get off my ass and put the description together. Actually, I've been
dragging my ass trying to give california time
to get us the info we all want. Not really sure what to do if they don't
come through, it never occured to me that
they didn't really need or want our help. I'll be making a more detailed
post on this in a day or two at OverGrow's
special projects page. But in the meantime, a grow report on the ESB would
be cool and a big help. Thanks.
I got to add this at the top of the page:
Wondering - it's not cool to get strain advice here, best to try the seedbanks
page at cann.com or at Emery's
site. I think the sharketank at Overgrow could handle your request as well.
Most everybody here also visits at
least one of those other sites, so it's not like you will be missing any
opinions, hehe.
TOPIC - Help me out
DATE - 23:29:17 9/16/99
FROM - Wondering
I know this is off topic but I need some help. Im planning on buying some
seeds and growing them indoors. Next
spring Im going to plant clones outdoors and need strains that mature early,
at the latest sept 14th. Thanks in
advance.
BTW you have a really informative board.
Peace
TOPIC - A-1 seed auction
DATE - 22:35:51 9/16/99
FROM - pi____nk FLOYD
if any has a chance to get ot1's esb from the seed auction... get them.
great up hi and a very nice sour sweet
lemon taste. only prob i had was low f to m ratio
TOPIC - mooch
DATE - 22:33:03 9/16/99
FROM - pi____nk FLOYD
just grew out 6 white rhino seeds
got 3 girls
not impressed yet with the hi or the taste but it was my first time. tried
63 days and 70 day harvest with not
much diff in results. a good hi and a sweet taste but i have better yielders
and better tasters with a better hi than
white rhino sooooooooooooo ... we will seeeeee.
colas were huge. one weighed almost half pound wet and was about 18" long
but it was all water weight and
shrunk to maybe a z and a quarter dry. have just added super grow wings
and a lite rail and will try it again
TOPIC - curious george
DATE - 21:54:00 9/16/99
FROM - pi____nk floyd
when i tried to use ms word to paste and cut things for other sites or
for my own use while using a ms word doc i
always got funny looking squiggles. changing fonts did not help.
now that i am a puter nerd NOT i have figured out my problem and this may
help you. seems like some pages or
script add invisible modifiers to the beginning and end of a post but not
sure why. some sort of java or other
code???????? anyhoo ...
i recently tried using a copy/past/cut/ms word again and got squiggles
AGAIN. this time i tried the middle of a
post and got no squiggles. include the end of a post and squiggles. include
the begining of a post and squiggles.
so now when i want to cut/copy/paste from these pages using a word processor
as an intermediary formator i
leave off the first and last word of the post and have had no more problems.
there maybe a ms word or browser setting to change or something in the
script that can fix this easier but for
now i know that this works for me . hope this helps
TOPIC - vic-lothar
DATE - 21:12:25 9/16/99
FROM - jay
havent seen you guys in ages a beer sounds good what do yall think..?lothar
still on icq?
TOPIC - UV, evolution, world peace, & the meaning of life
DATE - 16:56:31 9/16/99
FROM - Baudelaire
Okay, here goes. Let us know when this gets out of hand, Vic, and we can
take somewhere else. I for one am
thrilled to be in the company of such adventurous minds. Hats off to all
the contributers here. OT1, much respect
to you, my reply is meant to honor your well considered thoughts, not belittle
them. I have no doubt your
observations are accurate, in that they are true to your experience. I
simply offer my alternative experiences and
a possible explanation for the phenomena that IMO is more plausible and
based on widely accepted evolutionary
concepts. Let me respond point-by-point to your post:
".... cannabis of a known potent strain from the same batch of seed, will
when grown in southern, middle and
northern USA show three different growth profiles with some varieties they
don't even look like the same type in
the north compared to southern grown. The thc produced high in the south
low in the north and the cbd the
reverse. There are numerous American university studies with the stats
to back this up using gas
chromatography graphs."
I am not aware of these studies, and would bow to their findings over my
personal observations. However, I have
observed both native and cultivated cannabis grown outdoors in the Northeastern,
the Midwest and Western
regions of the U.S. and have not observed growth profiles varying significantly
by region, and certainly not varying
within the same strain in different regions. Mexican sativa, in my experience,
looks the same whether grown in
Southern California, Iowa or upper New York state. Same with skunk, same
with Indica-dominant strains. In fact,
I've witnessed a hash plant indica grown next to a mexican sativa, in the
same soil and light, outside in
California. None of the environmental melding of phenotypes you describe
took place- the hash plant grew 3.5
feet tall, had fat indica leaves, matured in late September, and grew thick
'baseball bat' buds that stunk up the
neighborhood. Six feet away a Mexi sativa grew 8 feet tall with thin fingered
leaves, wispy little buds with little or
no smell, and still hadn't begun browning pistils when chopped in early
December. I have observed similar results
with 'domestic' indica hybrids grown in the vicinity of native hemp in
the Midwest- the indicas grew, looked, and
smoked like indicas, and the hemp grew, looked, and smoked (cough) like
ditchweed sativa.
"There is no doubt that cannabis can alter its growth pattern and type
of resin production during its first year of
being grown in an environment. This has little to do with uv as such, but
the ability to adapt to new new
environments rapidly."
I don't want to be mistaken here- I believe that cannabis IS extremely
adaptable and variable. I believe that the
core varieties of sativa, indica and ruderalis are simply geographically
adapted variations of the same species.
However, my experience leads me to believe that those adaptations are more
or less fixed within a timeframe of
say, for the sake of argument, 100 generations or more. When I grow a hash
plant in the Western U.S., and my
buddy in New England grows out the seeds from the same parents, we both
get more or less the same product.
Any differences in potency or growth profiles can usually be easily attributed
to immediate environmental
differences, i.e., amount of direct light, rainfall, length of growing
season, etc.
"Regardless of seed origin, several generations in a new location will
produce a plant resembling those native to
the area where it is being grown. This fact has been known for centuries.
In 1712, Kaempfer observed that seeds
of Persian Cannabis failed to produce significant quantities of intoxicating
resin when grown in Europe for several
generations. Similarly, in the early nineteenth century, the Egyptian Viceroy,
Mehemet Ali, found that the French
hemp seeds he imported to provide fibre for rope were useless for that
purpose. After a few growing seasons the
plants became short and bushy, producing large quantities of resin."
Here you are citing Starks, I believe? If this phenomenon is true, and
I am skeptical, then it is easily attributable
to acclimatization through natural selection and cross-pollination with
native species. Since Starks cites only
ancient, non-scientific observations of cannabis grown in presumably open-pollinated
populations in locales with
established native hemp populations, the phenomena observed could have
been the result of the new
environments selecting out genotypes poorly suited for the locales over
generations. Logically that natural
selection would favor a genotype similar to the established native variety.
The existence of wind-blown pollen from
adjacent wild populations would greatly hasten this process by cross-breeding
with the introduced strain.
"In a report published in 1912, pioneer marijuana researcher, J. Bouquet,
described the nature of the change that
can occur in only a single generation. [Example snipped.]"
Again, I have personally observed the exact opposite of Mssr. Bouquet,
both with different strains grown
side-by-side in the same locale, and with the same generation of the same
strain grown the same year in very
different locales. Frankly, this is the kind of anecdotal observations
that have made me very wary of much
published MJ literature, even the so-called academic books. Little science,
even less peer review.
"...the plant wonít express its potential grown in the wrong environment."
I agree with this completely. However let's not confuse lack of expression
with genetic mutation or 'drift'. I will
never be able to grow potent Colombian Gold in Woodstock, New York. But
that is not to say my Colombo
seeds will transform themselves into squat indicas. They will grow into
the same 12 foot sativas they would in
Santa Marta. But along come late October they will freeze and die halfway
into flowering, without reaching full
potency. Purely environmental. If I try to breed my Woodstock Colombo,
I will naturally only be able to produce
seeds from those few individuals in my breeding population whose maturation
time is shorter than the average for
Colombo, because New York's early winters won't allow average or long maturing
individuals to produce viable
seed outdoors. Maybe I'll get lucky and produce a 50-day maturing Colombo
sativa with a soaring cerebral high.
More likely, I'll find my early Colombo is not potent, because it is likely
that equatorial sativas produce THC resin
at a much slower rate, and 50 days isn't enough to produce the concentration
of THC I desire.
"~High Times~ wrote about the first crops off, they were disappointed comments
like low down boring stone,
narcotic rather
than high."
After a decade or so of seeing one High Times grow fantasy after another
paraded as 'technique' I tend to believe
that if its in HT it must NOT be true. Remember the article last summer
that proposed cutting light periods to 6
hours to speed maturation? Unadulterated garbage advise. If cutting light
periods in half speeds maturation, what
does cutting it by 75% do? What about by 90%? 99%? You can see where this
nonsense takes you.
"All these things agree with my own observations we live 51 degrees north
and I have tried to keep potency and
quality of the high my main priority, ok Iím not good at expressing myself
when writing, I have no wish to offend
but I think you are not
seeing what I am trying to say! There are differences in the amount of
environmental adaptability of cannabis
types, type 1, Equatorial sativaís being the least and Hybrids between
type1 and 2 [indica] the most when grown
from seed in an alien environment. Without going into cannabisís adaptability
even as a clone to different
environments, I don't think we can get to the nub of uvís part in the whole."
I too wish not to offend, but must disagree that you are not good at expressing
yourself in writing. Your English is
pretty good for a Brit ;-). Seriously though, here we get to the heart
of the matter, I believe, when you reference a
clone's adaptability to different environments. Are you saying that you
have observed clones from the same
individual grow out as both sativa and indica phenotypes when grown in
different environments? This I simply
cannot reconcile with my two decades of grow experiences in three distinct
regions of the U.S. Nor does it
square with the experiences of hundreds of growers throughout North America
who regularly grow out
commercially produced Dutch strains outdoors. If your suppositions are
correct, it would not matter what strain a
grower in Omaha used- the end product would be the same "naturalized" phenotype
every harvest. And since the
Omaha area is home to native populations of hemp, all cultivated MJ grown
in Omaha would be low-potency
hemp. I believe our cornhusker guerilla growers would beg to differ with
that assumption!
To sum up, I think we are essentially revisiting the nature-vs.-nurture
argument here, cannabis-wise. You seem to
believe environment is the predominant determinant of cannabis' phenotypical
expression. I believe phenotypical
expression is far more fixed by genotype, and that cannabis's three main
phenotypes have distinct genotype
analogues. I believe that cannabis is one species midway through the several-thousand-year
process of
differentiating into three distinct (non-interbreeding) species. Hence
both its apparent high
adaptability/interbreedibility AND relatively fixed phenotypical distinctions.
I now yield and eagerly await your
considered response.
B420
TOPIC - TSM&Avid
DATE - 14:48:17 9/16/99
FROM - mooch
Thanks cHrOnIc man for the Avid info. will try.
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:55:46 9/16/99
FROM - Vic High
oops, sorry cedartop, check out the UV page off of the main page
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:53:58 9/16/99
FROM - Vic High
CG - ya got me there, I use netscape and have never had a problem cutting
and pasted. This is what I do to
create the archives. Also, unlike every other bcga webpage, this one isn't
created with netscape composer. It
was created generically with a text editor to make sure all browsers would
treat it the same, and I edit it with a
text editor.
If I had access to GLC, I would be right on top of doing a side by side
comparison of using UV on a few different
strains. But right now, my analysis of the results would be subjective
and open to debate, so a waste of time
IMO. Anyone know an accurate way to quanify THC and other cannbinoids where
the equipment will cost less
than 5K? 10K? That range is about my limit, and exposing myself by getting
others to do the tests for me isn't
too appealing. Maybe I'll have to take a spectrometry course or two to
establish some connections, hehe.
TOPIC - Up and Down the Long & Winding Road
DATE - 12:37:40 9/16/99
FROM - Curious George
Oldtimer, you're probably right about the Northern Indian weed being different
from the Southern ... it is, after all,
a huge country with many variations in altitude and lattitude. As for the
plants that we generally regard as Indica
or Afgani originating in Turkistan, that's news to me. Interesting piece
of history if it's accurate ... the trading
routes through that area have been happening since before Marco Polo. But
if the plants that originated
elsewhere were grown for the hash market, did their place of origin have
the same approximate altitude and
lattitude? Is the way we know them today the same as they were back then?
Did they adapt to the new
enviornment?
I'd prefer to have "up", "energizing", "cerebral" or "creative" results
when inbibing the herb, but it might not be
neccessary to go to a Sativa dominant strain to get these results. In the
past, I found that picking buds while the
pistils are still white and full yields a clear, creative, buzz, even if
the plant in question is a "hash plant". The
yield is certainly lower, but the constituent chemicals are of the sky,
and not of the couch. ( Which is not to say
that I don't enjoy being occasionally bludgeoned with Indica.)
At any rate, what we need to find out, through rigorous testing, is whether
added UV will improve the "goodie"
yield of a given set of clones. This should be relatively easy compared
to the question of its' effect on breeding ...
and I'll leave that one to others for now.
By the way Vic, my computer is unable to copy and paste any of the messages
on the board as I can with other
stuff on the web. Is that built into the site or is it just me? I'd like
to share some of the breeding/UV posts with a
botanist friend who I'm sure doesn't have the time or inclination to pull
the site up himself. Needless to say, I'll
pump him for info at the next opportunity.
Who's buried in Grant's Tomb?
Just Curious.
TOPIC -
DATE - 11:41:24 9/16/99
FROM - Lothar
This weekend is good 4 me
TOPIC - uv one more question
DATE - 09:12:24 9/16/99
FROM - cedartop
have been doing some reading on uv lamps and one thing i noticed it that
there are many different wavelengths.
so if a person did want to use one and hope to see some possible benefit
from them how would he make the
right choice in choosing the bulb. i had no idea that uv is used in so
many different applications. just wondering
i'm sure some of you have already thought on this and figured it out.
later
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:27:57 9/16/99
FROM - Vic High
CG & OT - keep it coming baby!!
Lothar, will be in Van this weekend, picking up supplies on Monday. Call
you?
TOPIC -
DATE - 02:54:07 9/16/99
FROM - oldtimer1
CG I just saw your bit further down sorry i missed it before. I think there
is no doubt that all that the most potent
varieties of cannabis, psycoactivly speaking come from high altitude areas
30 degrees or closer to the equator.
They all tend to have have the appearance and form of what we would call
a sativa type. The tricomes tend to be
small and very close unlike todays hybrid vars. The the highs of these
vars are generally very up and energising
when grown in their natural environment. The effect of this does not turn
you into a drooling idiot but is
stimulating, provoking laughter, conversation and a general feeling of
wellbeing. Sorry if my writing is a bit thick
Iím not very good at it, being dyslexic I never learned to write with a
pen as such!
India has a huge variation in plant types, the best grass comes from the
south. Kerala being one, it is grown on
steep hill/mountain slopes. The photos in early dope books generally show
pictures of the hemp harvest in
lowland fields calling it the cannabis harvest. Take a look in R C Clarke
book on hash you will get some real
pictures to delight your eyes. The best hash made in northern India and
in fact through out the Himalayas is from
a sativa looking plant native throughout the range. It grows wild just
below the snow line and was used to make
real Manali, Butan spice, Nep Temple balls/finger hash and Afghan pucks,
it is a very high in thc and thcv. The
type 2 plant we call indica is not thought to be native to the area at
all, but imported to meet the demand for hash
by the west at the beginning of the century probably from further north
in Turkestan. This was for the large
amounts of resin produced rather that the quality of the high.
Vic Iím not sure if this subject is right for this page please say if not
and call time. Ot1
TOPIC - KQ vic & J
DATE - 00:45:47 9/16/99
FROM - Lothar
Have to give you quick answer as time permits
Grapefruit was the mom of them all
crossed with something to become Sweet pink GF
So Sweet Pink GF became the Mom for Many after that
I got my GF from Breeder Steve quite a few years ago now and from what
he said to me is he thinks I am the
only holder of th true GF left (that would be cool) but I pass it off quite
often
A word about Steve if any one cares he has departed the area for "greener
houses" in europe don't know if his
where abouts is secret so the location I will keep to myself for now BUT
let it be known he is working on
genetics and has huge resorces at his disposal Look for good things to
come from this, hes at his dream job....I
will miss him ..
Vic
Love to hook up any time your in my area and FYI found a grow shop sells
plenty of stuff includeing a full line of
"Fox Farms" shtuff you gotta check it out. Fraser and 46ish
Jay
Dude whats up man glad to see you lurken around
TOPIC - Spider mites
DATE - 21:44:20 9/15/99
FROM - chronic man
Mooch- When you get tired of using predators and other methods of spider
mite control, try Avid. This stuff
completely kills spider mites. I too tried using other methods, but I always
just controlled them. So when I saw
how well the Avid worked, I was happy to see the little buggers go. Avid
is not as deadly as it was first thought to
be by some. Vic here has even resorted to using it, and hes Mr organic
from what I can tell.
Just a suggestion...
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - UV - trichomes - THC - some random thoughts ..
DATE - 20:54:33 9/15/99
FROM - Curious George
Hey folks, the quality of the discourse here has been outstanding! Keep
it up. Even if some of it gets a little
thick, it's still interesting.
Something about the stories of plants going from tall skinny hemp to short
gooey drug bushes when grown in a
higher UV enviornment just didn't sound right. I recall seeing photos of
cannabis harvest in India, and the plants
looked like Hemp ... tall and thin, not short and squat. There's no telling
what kind of potency the actual plant
material has, since the women rub it on their hands to make "Charis" hash
with the accumulated trichomes.
Perhaps these strains were selected for Both THC and hemp production ...
?
As I've probably mentioned before, the sight of trichomes themselves doesn't
indicate anything in terms of
potency. Any species of weed seems to produce them if it can't grow seed.
So, if THC is supposed to protect
seeds, why is there more of it in plants that have No seeds? I suspect
that the trichomes serve several functions
in the plants metabolism, and the chemical content of the trichomes varies
with an overlapping set of genetic
parameters.
Do all plants that have high THC when grown seedless have proportionally
higher levels than controls when
allowed to seed? Do plants that display a frosty look when grown seeded
have proportionaly higher amounts
when grown seedless?
Are breeders selecting for production of trichomes or production of particular
combinations of THC/CBN/CBD?
Does a huge amount of visible "goodie" always produce the most potent stuff?
Just Curious
TOPIC - Vic,jus sticken up fer one of my ol'phrends
DATE - 20:51:27 9/15/99
FROM - "more important"
Ha!
ph
hope he finds this place kinda! Ha!
L8R from Cali!
TOPIC - hydro and organics
DATE - 16:25:14 9/15/99
FROM - beanhead
Hello BC growers,
I was told I might find some info. on using organics in
my aquafarm gardens. I have been thinking about using
worm casting teas.
I put a fairly decent post up at overgrow.com, if anyone
wants to check out the specifics.
Vic offered a good tip, I would really appreciate a little
help on this, as it might be the best way to grow in a
3x3x7 closet, which I notice seems to be a popular size to
grow when using a 400hps.
I think this is a nice board, I lurk here alot, but have
never posted. I guess the time is now. Happy growing and
be careful.
Beanhead
TOPIC - Any info would be nice
DATE - 14:13:10 9/15/99
FROM - mooch
Hello all..Ive been growing (indoor and out) for about 20 years and have
my own genetic combo I call 'Bob' it is a
combination of all the top smoke I have come into contact with in B.C.
since 1967, interbred over the years with
'Big bud' as a stabiliser..it is a very nice BIG delta 9 bud ..no complaints..no
hemmies.
But I have been battling TSMites for about 2 years, and I was wondering
if anyone has used SM-90?..I would
appreciate any feedback regarding this stuffs, toxicity, application strength
etc. I have in the past introduced
'Persimilus' as a predater with mixed results..but they just dont quite
get the job done..Also recently, I have
started a set of clones from a female 'White Rhino' seed I was given..they
are very healthy and all doing well in
cut and drilled 2 litre pop pots (pre transplanting) but, I was wondering
if anyone has any experience with this
breed and could give me any tips regarding the strain. Thanks guys...great
info page......m
TOPIC - YO SOUL!!
DATE - 12:18:06 9/15/99
FROM - flick
Been waiting for a reply from you for some time, what's up?
It was an important letter are you going to reply, did you get it?
Please let this stay up a little while if you can Vic. Thanks.
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:58:54 9/15/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Danbo that sounds about right to me! A fairly pure sat grown above 30 deg,
as a guess its grown at 2000 ft or
less ? Second guess originally it had a lighter and higher stone?
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:54:50 9/15/99
FROM - greenbear
Hey Peaceness --mail call!
TOPIC - Vic! LOL
DATE - 06:47:10 9/15/99
FROM - Blazer
Yes sir...I'll do a canuck edition to eh? I remember My 1st trip to the
great white northat the age of 12. I walked
down the campground roud to try and hang w/ a group of older kids to party.
I was from the deeper south then
and everytime they ended a sentence w/ "eh". I just knew they where asking
Me a Q, not making a statment!
ROFLMAO Thankfully the McKenzy Bros. straitened all that out for Us Amerikans;)
TOPIC - potency vs enviroment
DATE - 06:44:41 9/15/99
FROM - Danbo
Year ago , just when we started to grow other than sativas
in Cali, we used to judge seeds on how many generations
it had been bred in it's current enviroment. The higher the generation,
the more acclimated it was to your area.
Hence the better the smoke. some of the Holyweed I grow is in it's 15th
generation and will still grow plants over
3 lbs
and is so narcotic in stone , you better not get off the couch. This goes
against all conventional thought in these
matters but after 27 years experence , I know this to be fact. At least
with the HW strain.
TOPIC -
DATE - 03:10:37 9/15/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Hi Baudelaire nice to meet you, our Admiralty cockups were from memory,
school history lessons and a long
time ago at that haha. There are several things here firstly cannabis of
a known potent strain from the same
batch of seed, will when grown in southern, middle and northern USA show
three different growth profiles with
some varieties they don't even look like the same type in the north compared
to southern grown. The thc
produced high in the south low in the north and the cbd the reverse. There
are numerous American university
studies with the stats to back this up using gas chromatography graphs.
There is no doubt that cannabis can
alter its growth pattern and type of resin production during its first
year of being grown in an environment. This
has little to do with uv as such, but the ability to adapt to new new environments
rapidly. This has been written
about countless times in the past here is a reference to what I mean, scanned
from MJ chemistry =======>
Heredity and Environment
Regardless of seed origin, several generations in a new location will produce
a plant resembling those native to
the area where it is being grown. This fact has been known for centuries.
In 1712, Kaempfer observed that seeds
of Persian Cannabis failed to produce significant quantities of intoxicating
resin when grown in Europe for several
generations. Similarly, in the early nineteenth century, the Egyptian Viceroy,
Mehemet Ali, found that the French
hemp seeds he imported to provide fibre for rope were useless for that
purpose. After a few growing seasons the
plants became short and bushy, producing large quantities of resin. (Part
of the explanation undoubtedly lies in
the shorter days of Egypt.) In that same century, Christison at Edinburgh,
Hope in England and Husson in Cairo
observed the same phenomenon when they planted imported seeds. In a report
published in 1912, pioneer
marijuana researcher, J. Bouquet, described the nature of the change that
can occur in only a single generation.
He said that seeds from India (Guaza) and Greece (Tripolis) planted at
Lyon in France produced plants about two
meters tall. They were robust and bushy with many branches and large, deep-green
leaves with sharply indented
edges and (in the Indian variety) distinct furrows on the upper surface
of the petioles (leaf stems). The petioles of
the Indian variety were reddish-brown but lost their colour with age. The
flowers were concentrated in clusters of
cymes (main and secondary branches always terminate in a single flower)
and the groups of clusters were
separated from one another by leaves and well-developed bracts nearly hid
the flowers from view. (Bracts are
modified leaves which surround and protect the flowers and, later, the
seeds.) The large, vigorous flowers gave off
an intense mint-like odour which was perceptible more than two meters away.
At maturity, the flowering tops
were covered with shiny points which were tiny reddish droplets of resin
in the glandular hairs. When the seeds
from the above plants were grown the next year at Moulin-sur-Allier, the
plants were little different from those
commonly cultivated in France for fibre. They were only slightly bushier,
and of a somewhat deeper green than
the native fibre plants, but did not have the bushy flowering tops or the
furrowed, coloured petioles and resin
production of their ancestors. The tops were not even sticky. But seeds
from the same batch were planted the
same year at Beja in Tunisia (altitude: 330 meters). The resulting plants
were very similar to the first generation
Indian and Greek plants grown at Lyon, with their bushy odiferous flowers
and intense resin production.
Soul I think you can be a dam good breeder but the plant wonít express
its potential grown in the wrong
environment. The demand for high quality sativa puff after the Nam war
outstripped supply so seed from high
demand varieties like Punta Roja, Columbia golds and reds were planted
on a big scale on the lowland
Colombian coastal plains. ~High Times~ wrote about the first crops off,
they were disappointed comments like
low down boring stone, narcotic rather than high. The same thing happened
in Thailand and Cambodia to meet
the USAís demand for quantities the natural habitats couldn't supply. All
these things agree with my own
observations we live 51 degrees north and I have tried to keep potency
and quality of the high my main priority,
ok Iím not good at expressing myself when writing, I have no wish to offend
but I think you are not seeing what I
am trying to say! There are differences in the amount of environmental
adaptability of cannabis types, type 1,
Equatorial sativaís being the least and Hybrids between type1 and 2 [indica]
the most when grown from seed in
an alien environment. Without going into cannabisís adaptability even as
a clone to different environments, I don't
think we can get to the nub of uvís part in the whole. Finally fibre hemp
vars are grown in India, china etc but
mostly in low lying fertile flood planes. The fibre produced is inferior
to northern European/Russian and very low
yielding.
All the best Ot1
By the by Soul I sent a mutual friend a letter about this subject do you
know if he got it?
TOPIC - nexus
DATE - 00:34:16 9/15/99
FROM - irish
you would probably want about 24" to 30" between the 1000 and your screen,
since you have it on a mover. but
be ready to raise it higher, just in case it gets too hot.
i think the scroggers keep the screen eight to ten inches above the tops
of the pots or media ( i.e.: hydro
systems)
so six inches of pots, another eight inches for the screen, and twenty
four inches to the light...damn close, ...but
sounds reasonable
TOPIC -
DATE - 21:56:48 9/14/99
FROM - KQ
Lothar, you may remember me from hbc days and WB days. I wanna ask you
about your grapefruit, is that
related to Steve the breeders sweet pink and/or Mikado? Very curious!!
TOPIC - Question on Scroging?
DATE - 21:29:22 9/14/99
FROM - nexus
I have some mr.nice (g13xhashplant) growing right now, its about 3 weeks
old and i decided to scrog her but i
dont know how high to put the screen? my room height is 4 1/2 feet with
1000watt hps+light rail III , and my
buckets at 6 inchs hight and i figure if i grew them bush style i could
grow them about 2 1/2 to 3 feet high, so
how far from the buckets should I put the screen to scrog it? (flat screen)
TOPIC - MOTA!!
DATE - 21:01:50 9/14/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey Mota!! If you are surfing these waters, can you email me? bcga@mauimail.com
Blazer, I will be interested in that documentation, can you write it in Canuck as well?
I hope you people in the south east aren't taking up any wind surfing these
days. Best Wishes.
TOPIC - Vic, Soul, B420, OT1, X10 Automation
DATE - 19:41:11 9/14/99
FROM - Blazer
Good lord Gent's... Just when I think I've considered most enviromental
scenario's for speciffic strains and tried to
attempt a duplication of said enviroment, YOU GENTS turn My brains into
scrambled eggs. I know on My scale
of growing, hardly any of it's applicapable, but in My mind the scenario's
run amuck all night after reading these
great thoughts/posts and theories. WOW...You know I hate it when people
talk about things I don't understand
enough to chime in on, but You men continue to enlighten Me constantly.
It's a love/hate type thing...The worst
part of it all is Soul gets great enjoyment out of turning My brain to
mush like this untill I get it!AARRGGHH I'll
get My shot somehow;). Anyhow, You Guys are amazingly observant and dedicated
to all this and more. Thanks
for sharing it w/ Me.
Keep it coming!
ALL I'm on the verge of creating a means of monitoring every single aspect
of the grow via the computer and
various X10 like products. When I wish to check on the gals, click and
I'll have video,ph,ec,Humidity, temp., res.
temp. and so on.
The coolest part IMO is the ability of the program to page or call Me w/
pre-recorded messages alarming Me of
amy event thats out of the normal.ie. Blown breaker or if I flood the basement
again etc.. I know alot of You will
say this will lessen the quality time You enjoy in Your garden. I'm not
totally lazy, I'm a parapledgic that gets
damn sick of the stairs sometimes or don't have the time to tend to something
at the moment. Plus I will have
logs of ph,ec flucuations etc. automatically making documentation effortless
almost. I plan on doing a write up on
this venture, technical style. Something We all can follow and see how
it pans out. I'm damn excited and it's in
the works. Luckily sb can make the hard to find modules so I'm set. Damn
I just realized 1 could do a live vidoe
stream of a grow operation online, day by day. Maybe to crazy, but sure
sounds cool IMO.
Well time to put My poor melon to rest...You guys wear Me out! LOL
Blazer
TOPIC - UV and potency
DATE - 18:41:22 9/14/99
FROM - Vic High
Ahh hell, might as well blow off the afternoon, haha.
Gents, a tip of the glass in your directions :)
It's hard for me to proceed without making the assumption that potency
is a multigenic trait. I think this is a safe
assumption since there are various degrees of potency and no one has been
able to apply mendelian ratios to
the trait. Now lets take this a step further and assume that some of these
genes are triggered by UV and others
not. Some may be triggered by tissue damage like that from a herbivore
or insect. And then some without a
trigger, just that the healthier the plant is, the more the gene can be
expressed. This could explain why some
plants become more potent when exposed to UV, while others retain potency
in the absence of UV.
Observations of both scenarios are well documented.
OK, so with that in mind, a breeder can only select for/or against those
genes being expressed. No expression =
no selection pressure. Therefore, the argument "But the indoor breeders
are SELECTING for high THC, so
despite the low-UV environment, natural selection of low-THC individuals
isn't taking place, thus it can't be
causing the degradation." isn't entirely applicable, IMO. The breeder can
only select for what his environment
allows. Besides, many breeders don't make potency their primary concern,
they also consider yield, flavour,
vigour, hermie expression, ease of growth patterns, flowering speed, early
flower initiation with the outdoor
breeders, etc. Hell, I remember early conversations with a breeder here
that said he selected males for their
vigour and early flowering in his projects. In reality, I'm quite the same,
the strong ones stand out. In all reality, I
don't think it's too uncommon for a more potent plant to be passed over
due other undesireable traits. Like when I
picked the parents from my original blueberry line. People don't buy blueberry
for it's potency and I didn't select
for it. I have however given it some weight on future generations where
my population size allowed it.
Well gotta cut this off here, have an appointment. Will continue later
:)
TOPIC -
DATE - 16:27:28 9/14/99
FROM - Vic High
Cool genetics discussion! Can't wait to get home from work and jump in,
hope I have the energy. But in the
meantime;
Soul and Ray - I appreciate the discretion, definately in a big grey area,
hehe. However, I have no problems with
talking grow info about ANY strains out there. It's like I will give advice
on some growing specifics of some of the
bcga stuff. I just try to avoid anything that sounds like a sales job,
haha. Ohh, and redirect the newbie questions,
hehe. Soul, feel free to correct me, but Ray, I think your question is
more generic than being strain specific.
Many things can cause pistals to die and therefore are a poor methods of
determining ripeness. I just use them
as a clue to start paying attention. Trichome and calyx condition is a
far better method, IMO. There is much info
out there on this, but wait until some of the trichomes start turning cloudy
and the calyxes swell to the point of
looking like they may contain seeds. They don't all do it at once, and
most strains will have about a two week
window where harvest could occur, but I imagine Soul's experience could
help you determine which end of the
two weeks is best for that particular strain, hehe.
Fred, best to take generic grow questions to cann.com, or overgrow.com,
or emery's page (sorry forgot URL). If
you have a specific question....
Deleted anon troll "come on" - it wasn't your call to make. As an anon,
you don't have the right to critisize here
without being deleted. Sorry.
Soul, just got word from Ae, :( can't make them all happy, can only worry
about what make you happy.
TOPIC - Just to be CLEAR
DATE - 06:56:14 9/14/99
FROM - Soul
RayDavies_~ Any BG client with questions should simply write emails to
BG and they'll answer in DETAIL...this
is not the right place.
TOPIC - You "play" nicely Baudelaire!
DATE - 06:52:18 9/14/99
FROM - Soul
RayDavies_~ Sorry pal, no seedbank stuff here. Respect Vic's rules. :)
Baudelaire_~ I think you nailed it mon ami. I liked your pointing out that
resin acts as a UV screen to protect the
seeds. That leads to sterilization of low-THC individuals growing in high-UV
environments. It's a very plausible
answer to my question, "What advantage does the lower THC individual have
in the low-UV environment?"
Baudelaire, you mentioned the one thing gnawing at me throughout the discussion;
"But the indoor breeders are
SELECTING for high THC, so despite the low-UV environment, natural selection
of low-THC individuals isn't
taking place, thus it can't be causing the degradation."
That would only happen if the breeders accepted the seeds of low-THC individuals.
If they selected F1 breeeding
pairs that were not as potent as the P1 generation, and F2s less potent
than F1s, etc. ad infinitum, then clearly
the potency declines due to poor breeding.
I believe there's nothing else to blame the decline in "THC" in Dutch weed
on, but poor breeding. The natural
selection of low-THC individuals due to a low-UV environment is cancelled
out by GOOD selection by the breeder
in such environments. OT1's examples of outdoor-grown populations remain
consistent with this view, as they
WERE naturally selected populations subject to the differing levels of
UV exposure.
Baudelaire rightly points out that there ARE hemp strains that thrive in
high-UV environments without "degrading"
into drug cannabis. This may be a demonstration of those particular strainís
capacity for UV-resistance in the
absence of resin.
{"8^)_~
TOPIC - UV p.s.
DATE - 20:38:26 9/13/99
FROM - Baudelaire
That last paragraph came off wrong. I mean to say that the *Royal Navy's*
published observations (as opposed to
OT1's) regarding the sub-tropical hemp farm are problematic because of
the aforementioned ongoing successful
cultivation of hemp in those areas today. I have no doubt that OT1's personal
observations are accurate.
B420
TOPIC - Hydro plants
DATE - 16:50:35 9/13/99
FROM - Fred
I am interested in growing some hydro - do you have any literature that
could help me out in my endeavor? It
would be appreciated!
TOPIC - Mr Soul your White Shark
DATE - 16:12:38 9/13/99
FROM - Raydavies
Any suggestions on the best time to harvest ? I was planning on waiting
until 80% pistil change. Considering
50-60% for more sativa type high. What do you think ? Great plants easy
to grow. Most of my clones rooted in
4-6 days in soil. Lots of visible trichomes at 20 days of flowering. I've
noticed the skunk smell is now faint and
now they smell more like my sweet tooth lady. BTW got some great looking
plants out of the in/out mix. Just put
6 in the flowering room. also wanted to mention that I had 3 light screw
ups and no hermies from yours or Vic's
genetics. Thanks,Ray
TOPIC - Vic, peruvian sativa pics
DATE - 16:02:26 9/13/99
FROM - Raydavies
If your intrested I posted some pics of a peruvian sativa lady at cannabis
culture. She sure is easy to grow. I
topped them early in flowering and it seemed to stop the stretching. Sorry
about the crappy camera. Hope you
can see how those buds are starting fatten up. Great seeds Vic.
TOPIC - UV
DATE - 15:56:48 9/13/99
FROM - Baudelaire
Can I play too?
We too often forget that any observed phenotypical trait is the manifestation
of a genetic super-set (the range of
total possible genetic outcomes) interacting with an environmental subset
(the specific environment of the
observed individual). Environments typically constrain rather than enhance
genetic potential, in that few
environments provide a 100% safe, nurturing and reproduction-promoting
bio-zone for the subject individual.
Something's always eating something else, as you guerilla gardeners know
too well, haha. (That's my best Vic
imitation.)
UV certainly falls under the rubric of "environmental constrainers" in
that it is immediately and universally
injurious to living cells of all kinds. Only those organisms which develop
systems to lower cellular exposure to
UV survive in high UV environments. Therefore it can be said that UV is
a negative selection factor- evolution
selects against organisms which cannot defend themselves against its effects.
IF (an unproven "if" in this debate, BTW) UV levels are substantially higher
in sub-tropical and mountain areas of
the world, AND cannabis THC production is influenced by UV exposure, then
what likely happened to the Royal
Navy's colonial pot farm was a simple case of selection. That is, introducing
a negative environmental factor (high
UV) that selects out individuals without the genetic potential to defend
against the negative factor. Thus,
European hemp individuals which expressed little or no UV protection (THC),
were selected against by Nature at
His Majesty's rope ranch. Individuals which expressed a little more UV
protection (THC) were favored and better
represented in the following generations. To get practical for a moment,
pot seeds in the buds of low-THC plants
may become damaged and unviable in high UV environments. That could be
a powerful mechanism for
selecting-out low THC individuals quickly, akin to sterilizing all brown-eyed
inhabitants of an isolated island.
Within a few generations a mostly brown-eyed population would dramatically
increase the proportion of blue- and
green-eyed individuals, as brown-eye dominant genes were forcefully and
emphatically selected against.
Now, the reverse hypothesis regarding high THC-producing individuals in
environments with low UV likewise could
be ascribed to a LACK of environmental constraints. Thus, lower THC-producing
individuals among the high-THC
population are NOT selected out in low UV environments. That is, their
seeds are not damaged and remain
viable, and their offspring thrive despite their lack of UV protection
(THC). Over generations the proportion of
low-THC individuals rises within the high-THC population. They interbreed
with the high-THC individuals, and
introduce their low-THC genotypes into the larger group. With UV absent
as a negative selection factor, low-THC
individuals are no longer disadvantaged in reproduction relative to high-THC
individuals. They thrive, and the
group's average THC production gradually falls.
Applying this logic to OT1's observations is problematic, though. For while
cannabis breeders may have
neglected to employ UV as a factor in their growing environments over the
years, they most certainly have
selected for potency. Potency in the layman's sense is not directly correlative
with THC. Potency begs the
question of CBD vs THC vs THCV proportions, i.e., both Haze and Afghani
#1 are considered potent strains with
very different highs due to different proportions of these components.
Nonetheless, potency as a rough measure
of THC production has been probably the single most important and universally
applied selection factor by
cannabis breeders, and must be considered to have mitigated the genetic
drift caused by lack of UV-induced
selection. OT1 would likely respond that (Dutch) breeders have been fooling
themselves into believing high-CBD
producing individuals are just as good to breed as high-THC individuals,
and over time have polluted a formerly
high-THC producing population with high-CBD producing genotypes. Or, as
Soul would say, they cross Afghani
into every damn thing they get their hands on.
The other problem with OT1's observations is that I believe hemp was and
still is commercially cultivated for fiber
in several sub-tropical countries, including Jamaica, India, China and
the Philipines. A third problem is that UV is
a mutagen, which opens up a whole other can of worms....I yield the floor
back to the moderator.
B420
TOPIC - supersoil
DATE - 10:33:58 9/13/99
FROM - kaka
vic,
thanks, think I'll let that mix sit for a while and just use coconut and
casting this crop.
thanks,
kaka
TOPIC - Sorry been kinda "busy".
DATE - 05:53:23 9/13/99
FROM - Soul
Vic_~ & Aeric77_~ Drop me a note: MrSoul@england.com
OT1_~ I can see you well understood me mate - it's nice when I don't offend
my friends and you know that DOES
happen too often to me LOL! I'm always working on my diplomacy.
I'd like to keep thinking about this UV light thing. The main thing I'm
concentrating on is the genes of the plants -
to suggest that exposure to lowered UV levels in the parental generation
creates a next generation with a
lowered maximum potential for THC production, seems outrageous somehow.
To my mind, selection effect is
taking place and is the true cause of the drift downward of THC in the
successive generations.
We may agree here, because you said that the plants were left to seed naturally...so
natural selection can
reasonably be expected to favor the plants best-suited to the environment.
Somehow, in areas of lower UV, the
best-suited cannabis has lower THC levels in accordance? Somehow, the plants
with lower THC levels MUST
have an advantage in this lowered UV environment and they dominate in naturally
bred populations. So you'd be
saying in summary:
When cannabis is grown in low-UV environments, the plants that thrive best
are those with lower THC levels.
Moreover, a selective breeding program based on choosing parent plants
which best thrived in the low-UV
environment leads to a decline in THC production in succeeding generations.
Gentlemen?
TOPIC - DM
DATE - 00:30:07 9/13/99
FROM - irish
check the box
TOPIC -
DATE - 23:25:51 9/12/99
FROM - Vic High
kaka - yep you may be in kaka. All that for just 7 gallons? shit, my recipe
fills 5 10 gal nursery pots! If you
haven't composted for a couple weeks, or longer, ther is a good chance
your girls will fry within two weeks.
Kelp meal just adds micros, so just find an alternate source of micros.
It also boosts the K component, which
was lacking in the original mix. Up here, kelp meal is common in agricultural
supply outlets.
As the soil composts, the pH will stabilize. Especially after you dilute
the fertilizer to a safe level, haha
TOPIC - vics supersoil
DATE - 23:09:47 9/12/99
FROM - kaka
I went out today and bought:
worm castings
blood meal
bone meal
lime
epson salt
to make up my soil mix, which is:
2/3 coconut coir
1/3 worm shit
2 cups lime
4 cups bone meal
2 cups blood meal
= 7 gallons of grow mix.
I was trying to recreate the bcga soil mix but with no soil and coconut
in its place. Im in love with the stuff and
had heaps around to use.
I didnt find kelp meal anywhere and Im wondering just how important it is?
Secondly, I watered 2 samples of the mix to measure the pH/ppm of the run
off. When I used tapwater pH 7.5
the run off measured in at pH 10!! Then I used adjusted pH water of 6.2
and the run off measured in at 9.5 ph.
Question:
Am I gonna fry my plants or what?
Do I need to adjust my water to a really low pH for watering or am I gonna
be okay using a normal 6.2pH or even
just regular tap water of 7.5?
TOPIC - Re:Earth Juice pH problem.
DATE - 18:28:58 9/12/99
FROM - james
I had the same problem as well. Even using the pond pump as you mentioned
I still couldn't raise the pH.
I finally bought some pH-up to raise the pH.
Also - I wonder if using the pH-up will somehow affect the
microbial action of the EJ catalyst - any ideas
Vic - thanx for the advice - I'll scrap the phosphate.
TOPIC - Earth juice ph problem
DATE - 13:38:51 9/12/99
FROM - edhassle
I thought I'd give the earth juice a try after hearing some good reports
about the improved flavor and taste.I used a
20 gal rubbermaid trash can as the reservoir and filled with reverse/osmosis
filtered water at 6.2 ph
Then added 20 tbsp bloom and 10 tbsp grow and added a 210gpm little gaint
pond pump to keep the water
circulating and aerated.But after 24 hours I checked the ph and it still
at 4-5 I don't have a digital ph meter just a
elcheapo aquarium
ph test kit so I'm guessing since the ph range is only 5-8 on the kit.
Here's my dilemma the plants are in 3gallon containers of pro-mix and castings
and have been flowering for
1week,Will the EJ acidic ph 4 cause any nutrient deficiencies....Should
I use a ph adjuster to raise the ph to 6.0
I had read one of shabang~ post where he claims the circulating pump raised
his ph from 4.5 to 7.0 in a day or
so....Has anyone else observed this? Any advise is appereciated. ed
TOPIC - Seeds
DATE - 12:13:57 9/12/99
FROM - Rev Jeremy
Looking for seeds for medical research Hybreds pref (dwarfs} we are a Parinoied
non-profit lol Projest aids
international if you have seeds we will pay but not throw da nose were
in Hollywood CA USA im at
RevJeremy@aol.com we need your help
TOPIC - female seeds
DATE - 10:52:20 9/12/99
FROM - htg
I was obviously referring to the production of female seeds and the induction
of male flowers on female clones.
Please reply. htg
TOPIC - female seeds
DATE - 10:47:53 9/12/99
FROM - htg
Can anyone give reference to a good method of producing females (i.e. spraying
gibberellic acid or asprin in
watering)? Please help! htg
TOPIC -
DATE - 06:27:58 9/12/99
FROM - Vic High
Chronic - yes, it got the job done but wasn't the best. I mixed hutes and
planted - just replaced manure with kelp
meal. Your flower power is slow to break down, so the smaller your pots
(reduced veg time), the less effective the
soil will be. These are subjective areas, get your feet wet and play, your
situation may be different.
James - no ideas on quantities off of the top of my head, but you may want
to bag the rock phosphate. My
understanding is that it is very very slow to break down, and unless you
plan to have your plants in the mix for
like a year, it won't be used.
TOPIC - Calling all Souls.......
DATE - 05:38:04 9/12/99
FROM - aeric77
hell, there's only one..........thank god for small favors... Hey Soullllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!.......it's
time to rock and roll,
wake up, it's Sunday Morn and time to play.......talk to me.......@opermail.com.......
TOPIC -
DATE - 05:17:43 9/12/99
FROM - ZOMBIORI ANDREI
este cineva aici care a folosit canabis
TOPIC - Super soil...
DATE - 22:04:33 9/11/99
FROM - chronic man
Hey Vic when you used the Super Soil after just mixing it, did it work
OK?? Or did you have to add nutrients for
a while until the soil broke down? And if you did add nutrients, which
kind did you add??
TIA
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - Organic Nutrients
DATE - 21:00:27 9/11/99
FROM - james
Anyone know how much greensand and rock phosphate to add per litre/gallon
of soil? Can't seem to find
anything mentioned in the soil recipes.
tia
TOPIC -
DATE - 20:00:36 9/11/99
FROM - Vic High
sensi - just want to clarify, I didn't create the supersoil, the original
recipe was taught to me from an old
commercial grower. The romulan source. The only real improvement I've come
up with is the addition of worm
castings, they help get the clones off to a fast start :) Oh and I agree,
the longer you let it age, the better. I've
also planted straight after mixing, but skipped the manure, was worried
about it being too "hot".
For the newbie cloners, check out the sites with newbie pages, or if you
need a quick fix, check out the main
page here. I've compiled a list of posts on cloning that should answer
most questions.
TOPIC - UV or not UV ... That is the question ...
DATE - 19:44:33 9/11/99
FROM - Curious George
Danbo ... glad to hear the news about A1's kids ... I suspect that the
records for the "bitch" are available to his
criminal attorney via supoena . ( On one pretext or another ) It could
be interesting reading, and might shed light
on the whole situation with the cops since there was probably a record
made of an internal hearing before she
was reprimanded, and she probably made excuses that could implicate the
cops or at least shed light on their
motivation. This shouldn't be a problem for the criminal attorney, unless
he's trying Very hard not to antagonize
the DA's office ... ( which isn't a bad strategic move ).
Personally, if I had a client that agreed, I'd go for the biggest publicity
stink imaginable. Having already won on
the kids issue, the biggest threat to A1 is either gone or almost gone.
It's a wonderful story standing alone, much
less the milage the press could get if they tie it into the ongoing criminal
matter.
Vic, Soul, & Oldtimer ... Having significantly fewer firing synapses
these days, I'm forgetting some of my botany
and geography and meteorology ... but ... what difference is there between
a lot of UV on a mountain in
Afganistan and a lot of UV in the middle of an equatorial savanna in Columbia?
There's a lot of UV in the northern latitides when you get into the mountains
... and a lot of UV near the equator
because of the angle the light hits the earth ... the main differences
in climate are temp. & humidity ... right?
So, are the differences in the THC-CBD-CBN ratios more due to atmospheric
preasure, temp. & humidity, than to
just UV? I suspect that the total amount of these compounds stays about
the same, and only the ratio changes.
Using high UV as part of the selection process seems to be a good idea,
and the info you guys have been
providing is certainly very interesting, but it's always another matter
to Implement that knowledge. Let us know
how it works out.
The excessive concern about high THC ratios is something that a lot of
kids never seem to outgrow. There's not
much difference between one hit and two hit stuff, if you're not constantly
wasted. The smoking part of the
experience, the shared communion, is completely lost when everybody in
the room is a drooling fool after 10
minutes of "party".
Personally, I'd just as soon avoid huge amounts of THC ... it's just not
pleasant ... . Better to savor a taste and
an aroma, than to get totally polluted.
Speaking of THC-CBN-CBD ratios, what happens to them during a 30 day cure?
Is there any research in the
botanical archives?
Just Curious
TOPIC - Mr Soul.........
DATE - 17:43:51 9/11/99
FROM - aeric77
hey Soul........
please eme at operamail.com...........good to see ya dude.......
TOPIC - surprises
DATE - 15:04:17 9/11/99
FROM - frank
hey all,
finally cured the small sampling of Vics surprises and the plant that stood
out in my garden was the romulan
surprise. Most resinous plant grown to date and gets you stoned to the
bone. I'm hoping Richard or BB have a
few of those available. The peruvian was nice also,I pulled her early but
the high is still up, clear although short
lived. The peruvian was seen in the one romberry female I got, the strawberry
surprise high much like a cal indica
high,nice fruity flavor and soft smoke. Thanks again Vic.
Budm or friend that posted last comments regarding his situation about
a month ago please let someone know
whats up, if you need help we can't give it if you don't ask bro. Lots
of people worrying about you my friend.
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:40:47 9/11/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Hi Soul a lot of what you say I agree with but as our government learned
in the past cannabis adapts to its
environment very quickly indeed and it cost them a lot of money. When we
were a sailing nation hemp had been
grown on a large field scale in Norfolk for the admiralty for several hundred
years. In their wisdom they decided
labour being 1/100 in the middle east they moved production to one of our
protectorates. There was no other
cannabis cultivated within the area and the first year crops were the normal
single whip 12 to 15 ft long bast fibre
plants of home within 4 years the plants had adapted to a short branched
5 to 6 ft plants were already producing
quite a lot of resin which clogged the machinery and the fibre quality
was inferior for making sail cloth or rope
also the fibre yield dropped considerably. They had to produce seed here
and send it out and that worked out
satisfactory but costly and eventually abandoned hemp production round
the med. As I have mentioned before
JW Fairburn did light/potency research in the UK in the 60/70ís and to
go with your theory found that Thai grown
from seed taken from samples of impounded weed produced little thc under
glass. But when given
supplementary uv produced about 3.6% against .02% without. Now while this
is quite reasonable considering
they were leaf samples as Thai would never flower properly here. That goes
along with your supposition that if it
is in the genetic make up uv will help the plant produce more complex forms
of thc. I had not meant to go into
detail as we have been through a lot of this on this page before. But the
experiment have been done many times
before both here and even more so in the states! We should learn from what
has gone from before not keep trying
to reinvent the wheel. Your own government did loads of research via university
grants in the past and the change
period from a high thc low cbd to low thc, high cbd is about 4 to 5 years
taking a southern variety and growing it
in the northern areas! We are not talking about any selection here just
grown field scale. Interestingly when taken
back to the original environment they revert to the high thc low cbd form
over a similar period. Where as a type 3
fibre plant as i stated above while adapting in form rapidly and while
producing a lot of resin only adapts its thc
production upwards very slowly indeed. Most of the varieties grown by us
now are a mix of type 1 and type 2
plants mostly looking like type 2 [high resin hash production]. They were
originally made in the states! It gave
plants that would finish early enough in the southern states. As people
in the northern states found they could
grow them just as well under HIDís newer more compact varieties were developed
and I believe they were very
potent from the samples i tried at the time, things like northern lights,
bigbud and skunk#1. They were drawn
from genetics grown in the south where there is real sun! Now this is a
supposition, but all these earlier breeders
used big metal halides and they do give off useful amounts of uv! I suspect
these early varieties had a good
proportion of thc in relation to cbd. In Holland at this time they had
been using supplementary lighting under
glass to grow tomatoes and flowers for a while using the lately developed
son t plus type of sodium lamps! All
the wonderful varieties were taken from the states and the seed industry
started to develop in Holland and of
course they took on board the local growing methods lots of small highbay
sodium lamps but in rooms instead of
under glass. In my opinion the quality has been going down ever since!
I have tried nearly every thing grown in
Holland, I have grown some of both yours and Vicks varieties and believe
me they stand above any thing you can
buy in the dam! I suspect this is because both of you use a mix of halide
and sodium which doesn't happen in
Holland. By the way this doesn't mean they cant be improved hehe.
I donít know what Vic is doing but If I was him I would be subjecting my
seedlings and breeding stock to uv the
survivors having the most adapted genes, a fast track back to the high
thc combinations. It is unlikely that there
will be any type 3 genes in the mix and given a few generations hopefully
he may have some killer combinations,
but only time will answer this I look forward to seeing the results! Soul
Iím no scientist nor geneticist, a gardener
yes! I just like this plant a lot, Iíve grown it for over 30 years, Iím
appalled at what has been happening in Holland
breeding wise. To me it is down to you boutique growers to take it to another
level! DP say in their catalogue that
blueberry has been tested at 19.5% thc, well that is all bullshit to me,
do you know that the strongest Colombian
ever seized by your government tested 9.7% thc. Iíve smoked both and to
me the bb wouldn't be in the running!
All the best Ot1.
TOPIC - Vic eme please
DATE - 13:32:08 9/11/99
FROM - Dankmaster
I am sure you would like to play with my new hybrid and would love to get
it to ya, so let me know or maybe your
not intrested. I know I really don't breed properly, but thats something
about having instincts that make it work
just as good
Irish I got your email a long time ago and mota mentioned it to me then
I sent ya back a reply, cause I get
laxed.. but I guess you never got it, anyway I ve been waiting for everything
to be ready and I haven't forgot about
you..so I need something from you..eme too
TOPIC - one more time
DATE - 12:54:20 9/11/99
FROM - irish
Danbo_
good to hear the news...
thanks for keeping us posted.
i hope all the best for A1 and family. it has sure been one hell of a ride
so far.
TOPIC - cloning gel
DATE - 12:41:11 9/11/99
FROM - irish
if they have some rooting compound or cloning gel, dip in cut after cutting
the bottom of the stem (/) then right in
to the mix.
also go to places like:
www.overgrow.com
or
www.cannabis.com
for more basic info.
TOPIC - green king
DATE - 12:39:05 9/11/99
FROM - irish
go to these places and buy some "perlite" and "vermiculite"
you'll find it probably in the garden section. mix them in small cups (usually
the plastic picnic "solo" cups) make
the mix 50/50. also buy a razor knife while you're there. find a three
or four inch (nice healthy) section of the
plant. clip this piece off just above the two "growing tips", hope fully
leaving two or three sets of internodes
(branches and growing tips) trim off all but the top two or three branches
cut the bottom of the "cutting" at a 45 degree angle / then dip in the
moist "per/ver mix" wait until you see new
growth or roots in the cup. keep moist by spraying plain water on it once
in the morning and once at night. more
if needed.
should see roots in about six days or so, should see growth in about ten.
did i forget anything?
TOPIC - How to clone from getting supplies at orchard,an
DATE - 12:26:55 9/11/99
FROM - greenking
Well this is my first time cloing and really need some help from all you
experts out there i've got a purple kush
mom thats about 2 feet and really want to clone her so whats the best possible
way to clone from getting
supplies at orchard and home base , thanks
TOPIC - Super Soil
DATE - 11:40:47 9/11/99
FROM - sensi
cHrOnIc man: Vic should get a medal for developing SuperSoil. It's just
superb for herb growing. I let my age
ALOT longer than Vic recommends. When I first tried SSoil, I only let it
sit 3 or so weeks and had a problem with
nutrients running off after watering plants ( yellow run off) Next batch
I let sit OUTSIDE for 3 months - I covered it
with a tarp to keep rain out and bugs away. It seems, like wine, to get
better with age. Last batch I upped the
Organics in it, but I let sit outside in the extreme heat we had this Summer.
This batch is just about perfect! I like
to add 30-50% Pearlite and some Coarse sand rather then use straight for
better drainage. Maybe a little Bat
Guano during flowering.
TOPIC - UV
DATE - 09:21:14 9/11/99
FROM - Vic High
Soul, please email me sometime, I lost your email addy.
Thanks for the challange, it gives me reason to take the time to explain
further ;) Basically, under non selective
pressures I agree with your point 100%. However, artificial selective pressures
are at play here. Also, I agree,
simply creating your seeds under high UV conditions will have little effect
on future generations, you will just get
more potent seedy buds. You need to use the UV in your selection process,
this is where change can occur. My
argument will make a few assumptions that are open for challange though,
hehe.
First, lets consider THC's role and effects on a plant's overall health.
It can be good or bad for a plant depending
on it's location, for example, a low THC plant growing in a high THC environment
is going to spend alot of energy
repairing tissues damaged by UV. Therefore, it won't be able to be as vigorous
as other plants with high THC.
However, a high THC plant growing in a low UV environment will waste alot
of energy producing THC, energy that
could have gone to faster growth. Therefore, vigour could represent opposite
traits depending on the environment.
And the most vigourous tend to be what we and nature selects for. In our
case, our selection pressure are much
more extreme because we work with much smaller population sizes. What would
take nature hundreds of
generations, we could do in half a dozen or less. Cannabis has enough genetic
variation to allow this. Take haze
for instance, how many are the bomb, and how many are dogs? By purely selecting
the bombs each round
(males included), it shouldn't take long to clean up the line and make
it predominately bombs, less than six
generations is my guess. However, we like to select for more than potency,
hence complicating the issue, hehe.
But how do we select the male's that are the most potent? Especially with
our small population sizes?
Well first lets talk about the effects of population size and selective
pressures and how they work together. It's
common thinking that to improve a seedline from generation to generation,
you need to reserve only the top 10%
of the population for breeding. For faster results, make that the top 1%,
the smaller the number, the faster the
results. However, the size of your breeding population is also important
to maintain vigour. The smaller the
breeding population, the more likely you may end up pairing up lethal recessive
alleles. So you end up trying to
strike a balance between keeping your breeding population a decent and
healthy size and placing as much
selective pressure on selecting your breeding population. A larger population
size would have solved DJ Short's
blueberry problems, it's lack of vigour and deformed growth. IMO, of course,
hehe, only DJ knows the truth, hehe.
Space is usually our limiting factor, you can only select from so many.
This is where my UV ideas come into
play, to allow me to select from a larger population. Two flats of seedlings
can take up as much space as one or
two adult plants. My flats hold between 48 and 72 seedlings, depending
on cube size. My assumption is that if I
can grow the seedlings under high UV, those seedlings with the most THC
should be the most vigorous. And to
top it off, the biggest plants put themselves at a bigger risk by growing
closer to the UV source! So now, when
you move from the seedling flats to the 5" pots, you save only the best
"looking" 10%, hard to select based on
anything else at this point. You should be able to further your selection
in the 5" to 6" pots based on other
selection criteria such as powdery mildew resistance, for example and reduce
your population by another 50%
before moving to the final growing medium. Take back up clones of each
and then flower them out, steadily
removing any undesireables and doing taste tests, hehe. By about halfway
through flowering you should be down
to your top 1% of the population. All the while, exposing the plants to
high UV, giving those with the most THC a
selective advantage.
It would be fun to back up these ideas with GLC data, but my connections
are not that great, and I haven't found
the equipement that I could buy for my persoanl Lab, haha. Anyway, I left
lots of holes in my idea for further
discussion or challanges if anyone wishes :)
Side notes:
1) when I quote numbers as I did below with the blueberry seedlings, don't
take the numbers too literal, it's the
ratios that have the real meaning ;)
2) Soul, thanks for playing along, I know most of this was basics for ya
;) Good to see ya, and again, please
email me.
TOPIC - A-1's Kids
DATE - 07:14:46 9/11/99
FROM - Danbo
A-1 has got his kids back. His criminal attorney told him not to fight
it because of the possible ramifications on
his criminal trial. he ignored him and went to court putting witnesses
on the stand including his doctor that wrote
his prescription. When the
judge saw this was headed into a lenghty
process, he asked what exactly do you want sir? A-1 replied,"My kids your
honor and the bitch that took them
under false pretense".
He got both. The bitch was taken off the case and repremanded. He has to
drug test and go to anger
management counciling. Because he has a letter from his doctor, testing
positive for MJ is no problemo.
TOPIC - Evolutionary Time Frames, UV Light & THC
DATE - 07:12:19 9/11/99
FROM - Soul
Oldtimer1_~ High mate, don't get me wrong, but I want to challenge this
idea of yours. Your hypothesis that
cannabis evolved to produce greater THC levels as a defensive reaction
to greater levels of UV light exposure
seems sound to me. It's the conclusion you're drawing that bothers me:
You've observed the plants decline in potency over 4/5 generations. But
is this occurring while the original
generation's clones continue to maintain their potency? Even if so, that
cannot be definitively linked to their UV
exposure ALONE and it's much more likely to simply be due to breeding.
Have you considered the length of time evolution takes? It seems to me,
the degree of evolution of species to an
environmental variable cannot be detected in so short a period as 4/5 generations.
The particular example you're
interested in is the correlation of THC production to exposure to UV light...that
takes thousands, or millions of
years.
Your suggestion that the UV exposure is responsible for THC levels in cannabis
grown indoors dropping over the
course of a few generations shocks me. I would put the blame for the decline
in THC on the UV exposure itself -
not the effects of "evolution" over a few generations. Do you see what
I mean? The plants are far more likely to be
responding to the ACTUAL UV exposure during their own lifetime, than the
lifetimes of their forefathers.
I submit that THC production is simply directly proportional to UV exposure
while growing...with a genetic
maximum level specific to each strain.
The test of this theory would compare the THC production of first generation
Himalayan cannabis grown
outdoors, to clones of the same plants grown indoors under typical MH &
HPS lamps, and a third group grown
indoors with additional UV.
I believe that increased UV exposure during flowering would raise resin
production (easily observed) at the very
least, but testing for increases in specific cannabinoids would be more
complicated, albeit more FUN :)
Gentlemen - I yield the floor.
TOPIC -
DATE - 04:54:47 9/11/99
FROM - oldtimer1
cedartop There is a lot of evidence that the development of the psychoactive
substances produced by cannabis
are directly related to exposure over generations to uv radiation. Thc
is one of the most effective uv filters known
to man, what better way to protect the seed embryo! Historically it is
well known that the plant looses the
complexity of thc production over several generations when grown under
less extreme conditions. ie if you take
seed from the Himalayas to England and grow under glass it only has a 1/5
of its original potency after 4/5
generations, the glass filtering out most of the little uv we get here.
So a few breeders are working with uv to try
and reverse some of the degradation to seed stocks that has happened with
breeders using just sodium lights.
Also I suppose to prove if the suppositions are true! it is going to take
several generations to see big changes
and prove it one way or the other, but from my preliminary dabblingís Iím
pretty convinced, we will see.
Vic yes they came from sag they were made autumn / winter 97 / 98!
Budm If you are out there give us a sign please!!!!!!!!!!
All the best Ot1.
TOPIC -
DATE - 19:53:41 9/10/99
FROM - cedartop
vic, this might be a dumb one, but why did you put your group under the
uv light?
TOPIC - Lothar
DATE - 19:38:13 9/10/99
FROM - jay
im just hiding in the woodwork,hehe.hows life been treating you..?i thought
you had left us for brighter and better
things,but you just keep coming back like all these other old hands..lol...great
to see ya..
TOPIC - aging seeds
DATE - 15:06:46 9/10/99
FROM - Vic High
OK, I started a new batch of blueberry seeds last weekend, need a new male,
and wanted to check out some
new versions. I also decided to compare germination between new and old
seeds, hehe. So I used sunshine #1
peat based soil mix. I soaked it overnight with a solution of water and
nutriboost. I then took a pencil and poked a
1/2" hole in each planting cell of a seedling flat and placed a seed in
each hole. I did not cover. Usually I would
mist with no-damp, but was out, so I misted with plain tap water. I then
placed in the cloning bench but more
under a black light (weak UV source) than the grow tubes. They are within
8 inches of the flo tubes.
So far this is the results:
OTBL6 (1998?) - 9/9
OTBL8 (1998?) - 9/9
BL8 (1997) - 9/9 and 8/9
BL8 (1999) - 7/9
BL10 (1999) - 7/9
BBL7 (1999) - 1/9 and 2/9
OTBLs were from Oldtimer. They were seeds from his best two blueberries.
I think he got his from Sag, but can't
remember for sure. They've been in the fridge for a while. These were the
fastest to sprout.
BBL7 - the BBL line was from Bubi who said they were second gen 1997 Sag
blueberries. BBL7 was a monster
like romberry in yield. Of all her sisters, she was tops in flavour and
potency as well!! A no compromize
blueberry. These seeds have been sitting at room temps for about a month
since being harvested. They had
never been refrigerated. Seeds look viable, but seem slow to sprout.
BL8 and BL10 - these are two clones from my original blueberry purchase
in 1996 from Emery. These are the
moms of all the BCGA blueberry being marketed. BL10 gives the most deformed
seedlings, hence it's reduced
use. The 1997 stock has been refrigerated most of the time. The 1999 stock
has been handled the same as the
BBL7, harvested a month ago and stored at room temps. All seeds are in
the cooler now.
The pollen souce for the BBL7 and all BL8 and BL10 seeds is also from this
original batch. The new male will
only come from this line to preserve the original blueberry genetics since
the new blueberries are really
blueberry/bubbleberry hybrids.
It seems as if seeds need to be aged for a period before they become viable,
at least those that are indica
dominant. I also suspect a chilled period helps prepare them for sprouting.
I will be trying this again after a period
of refrigeration.
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:18:13 9/10/99
FROM - Vic High
Lothar??? You still alive? I figured you left these sites. Want to hook
up? Email is above.
Chronic - I happened to get a handful of those stubby plants out of the
hundreds of romberries I grew. They
sucked yield wise in the big pots, or when big. Huge impressive cola, but
the plant was too bushy for light to
penetrate, so buds only developed for about 8-10 inches into the canopy.
However, it showed promise when
flowered smaller in 2 gal pots. It would possibly be good for the SOG grower.
But they don't stretch much, so will
need a little more than normal veg time to maximize yield.
Aeric - another back from the dead, how the hell are ya? Still feeding
molasses to the pigs? The CO was a big
hit up here. She really liked my grow room. My friends liked here as well.
I harvested twice, at 7 weeks and at
nine weeks. Got double the yield at nine weeks, but side by side, everyone
preferred the flavour of the early
immature bud. Only person to not like it was RC, but he's from Quebec.
I passed along your comments that it
was a good party weed so he took it to a festival or something. Said he
wished he had taken the c99 instead, or
something, haha. Actually, I forget what strain he said, but I got a good
chuckle.
Spud, I've had success using Dynogen spray (.005%) in aerosol form as a
GA souce. Check out BCGA's main
page for the details, and confirm the concentration.
Hope that's everyone.
TOPIC - off topic, but happy today
DATE - 13:06:31 9/10/99
FROM - cedartop
guys i've been poor, real poor for the last five years since i have not
been able to work. finally got news of my
disability being upped to a 100 percent today. damn wont be eating beans
four out of seven days now. hats off
to my wife she put up with this and stuck by me and it sure was good to
surprise her with the news after she got
off work today. life is good brothers.
later
cedartop
TOPIC -
DATE - 03:23:00 9/10/99
FROM - Lothar
HI de ho to all
Good to see you all
Saven for a house so all I Been doin is work and gardening
After all the experimenting Ive done over the past 5 crops Ive come to
the conclusion that the 2 I have are the
best for me
I am happy to see familier handles and I am hopen that your crops are all
lush and green,your buds are dank and
sticky,and very crop is bigger than your last
And for Vic ... I heard a little romour of this Plant they be calling "The
real macoy"....Appearently huge growth,
simple to grow mega return (Big ass Buds)Only draw back shit stinks like
you got a dead skunk in your house
(well not that bad but you know what I mean) I had the opertunaty to try
it out and me being the light smoker I
am Well lets say I got just fried
Should be outa tests in Decemberish and I am going to get some 4 myself
for the 2000 New melenium crop, if ya
want let me know
Don't C J ????
TOPIC - Best way to clone with Anti-transpirant spray
DATE - 19:00:52 9/09/99
FROM - hempster
Well this is going to be my first time cloing (cloing hawin indica) and
i decided to use Anti-transpirant spray, but
whats the best way to clone with this stuff , what should i use for a medium
? and if i cant find rockwool? when
do i water ? and all the other basic? any other info would help and i also
have some mr.nice (g13xhashplant)
growning,its about 1 weeks old. or any other methods?
peace out!
Free the WEED!
TOPIC - Romberry...and Vic's Super soil
DATE - 10:59:59 9/09/99
FROM - chronic man
A question about Romberry...out of ten, I got five females, and five males.
Compared to the Shiskaberry that I
got, it did way better. Out of ten shisk plants, I got 2 females, one of
which had some kind of disease. Oh
well..about the Romberry, it's strange the one that I took the most cuttings
from looks quite a bit different from
the rest. The leaves are alot bigger than with the other plants, and it's
quite a bit bushier as well. It doesn't even
look like the same strain as all the others...hmmmm maybe it's a blueberry
dominant one. I think some
Blueberries are supposed to have very large leaves, am I right?? Just a
little observation. So far, I'm impressed.
I'm also happy with Vic's Super soil recipe. I haven't had any fertilizer
burn, no deficiencies, etc. I've been letting
it sit inside. Do any of you who use the Super Soil let it sit outside??
And if you do, aren't you afraid of bugs
forming little colonies?? I suppose farmers let their soil sit outside,
of course, so I guess theres nothing to really
be afraid of. Somehow it just doesn't seem like the thing to do to let
it sit outside, and then bring it inside. It's
probably me just being silly. I'll get over it, the whole organic thing
is new to me, but so far I like it. One more
question, what's the minimum time that you let it sit before using it??
I think the recipe says a week, but I'm
wondering if the plants would be okay if it sits for less than that. I
suppose there might be some slight
deficiencies until the soil can be broken down.
TIA
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - re:ATTN SHAGGY
DATE - 07:53:23 9/09/99
FROM - KGB
Shaggy Bro -
OK, check the Shark Tank at Overgrow. There's a message for
ya.
talk later,
KG
TOPIC -
DATE - 22:27:40 9/08/99
FROM - wuxi
hi
TOPIC - Hey KGB, et al.
DATE - 20:03:49 9/08/99
FROM - shaggy
Hey there buds ;)-~,
Firstly, a quick thanks to vic for the info on Pro-Mix. The stuff is fantastic.
I may just use some w/castings and
perlite to fill my pots. In the meantime, it's not too bad for starting
seeds!
KGB--Nope, never saw your earlier post. sorry. I haven't exactly been the
regular I used to be. So you've been
down to my favorite neck of the woods, eh? Awesome place. I'd e-mail ya'
but I don't really have an addy
anymore. Why don't we continue this conversation over at overgrow.com in
the Shark tank? If it gets too
troll-ridden we can move somewhere else, but I don't want to fill up vic's
server space with our reminiscings
(crappy spelling--sorry). Two questions first though--do you post anywhere
else under the same name? I knew a
KGB at Weedbase before. And what do you mean by outdoor hydro in Cambodia?
That kinda puzzles me.
Anyway, I'll start a thread at the 'Tank. Feel free to fill in....
take it easy my friends,
shaggy
TOPIC -
DATE - 19:20:31 9/08/99
FROM - ahhsome
Anyone Intersted In trading seeds??? Got some great Mexican Golds seeds.
Im intrested in a Nice indica
TOPIC - avid/Aeric
DATE - 13:09:06 9/08/99
FROM - sb
RE: Avid
I had a mite infestation that was becoming a serious problem and a friend
passed 2.5 teaspoons of the stuff my
way.I broke down the entire grow, sprayed the walls and floor, vacuumed
the floor, sprayed the floor a second
time, reassembled my grow spraying each and every part.Then it was time
to bring the plants back in.One by
one I brought each pot in and sprayed the bottom, sides of the pot and
upper and lower leaf surfaces.It has been
10 days and I cannot find a single living mite.With my 30X radio shack
"peeper" I see plenty of them frozen in
time as it were.
I can already see a huge difference in the apparent health of my veggers.Fingers
are crossed
Aeric
I just cut up a couple of those CO's yesterday....very nice Bro.
TOPIC - New Strains
DATE - 10:50:30 9/08/99
FROM - Devil420
Hello all I'm a newbie here and I'm currently my second crop. The first
was a great sucess for a first attempt by
an amature grower. I started with a NL#5, a WW, and a wild purple strain
that was given to me as a seedling. I
have room for 2 new stains, looking for something with an impressive yeild
without comprimising quality. I was
told Big Bud was what I'm looking for. I'm using a small Ebb & Flow,
with a 400W MH/ w/ conversion bulb for
flowering. Any suggestions? Let me know
TOPIC - the desert rodent......
DATE - 09:10:33 9/08/99
FROM - aeric77
hi m.g.,
thanx for saying hi.......good to see ya still around......I guess the
true weed rats die hard......hehehehe.......
TOPIC - CG
DATE - 06:54:54 9/08/99
FROM - Danbo
There's a bacterium used to kill tomato horn worms that should help you.
It's a bacillus with no toxic effects. It's
available at your nursery supply . I've used it for all
sorts of larval problems with great success. You could drink this shit
with no ill effects. Bottoms up!
TOPIC -
DATE - 21:41:18 9/07/99
FROM - m.g.
talk about "still with us"...
got a monster cali-o brewing in the garden...good job!
TOPIC - no subject..........just Hi to a friend
DATE - 21:21:27 9/07/99
FROM - aeric77
Hi ya perp........nice to know you're still with us......
TOPIC - Three Day Weekend
DATE - 20:25:06 9/07/99
FROM - Curious George
Hope all of you had a fine weekend. Those of us in the lower 48 celebrated
the traditional end of the summer
season. This one was a real flashback.
With very few exceptions, we've studiously avoided the festival and campout
scenes for the last 20 years, having
had more than our fill of peace, love, music, broken glass and dog crap.
Were finally persuaded to attend a jam-band campout in a fairly remote
rural location. If the weather had been
just a Little Bit cooler, it would have been perfect. The music was fine,
the sound and lighting systems first rate,
and there was a remarkable feeling of looseness. A clear river ran nearby
for swimming, canoeing, fishing and
baptisms, with enough vendors of food, clothing, artwork & pipes to
keep things lively.
Dig it ... at 6:00 am Sunday morning we're down on the river bank, crunching
in the gravel and pitching a little jig
accross the current into some deeper water where logs and brush overhang
the opposite bank. The fishing is
good ... the air is still ... a few folks who had dosed all night were
seated around a small fire ... and just two feet
from the water was a soft guitar case and a small pile of blankets just
laying there in a heap. So, as we meander
up and down this 60 yard stretch of river, the pile of blankets begins
to move, and rolls over. It's a guy who has
just slept on the gravel all night. He gets shakily to his feet, and then
procedes to take a Stratocaster out of the
case, plug into a battery powered amp, and begin wailing Jimi Hendrixisms
that bounce off the hills and flow
downstream just as the sun is coming up! ... what more can I say?
At any rate ... back to topic "A". Since there has been a lot of discussion
of Pests lately, perhaps someone can
identify one that used to plague us years ago when we were doing the outdoor
thing. The offending critter was a
little worm, sometimes white, but usually pink, about 1/32 in. long. They'd
show up whenever we were trying to
breed Indica plants, and would go for the seeds, burrowing into and eating
them. We never saw them on Sativa
plants, just the short, stinky, Indica's. They usually were picked off
by hand. Anyone know what they were? Are
there any other ways to deter them or get rid of them without hand picking
or constant spraying?
Just Curious.
TOPIC - A Large High Howdy to A77!!!!!!!!
DATE - 18:53:35 9/07/99
FROM - Perp
wa's up ol'man?...nice ta see yer alive! Ha!
TOPIC - Hello to all.........and a Q?
DATE - 18:06:56 9/07/99
FROM - aeric77
a question for Vic.....missed ya dude, anyway how'd the Cali O you had
turn out????? you still
holding?????.......nice board ya got here........
TOPIC - ATTN: SHAGGY
DATE - 12:58:25 9/07/99
FROM - KGB
Hey bud -
I dunno if you saw my heads-up awhile back, but I noticed
you have experience in Laos/SE Asia. I lived there for
awhile and actually grew several outdoor hydro crops in
Cambodia, and I'd love to chat about the results. Drop me a
line here or at my email addy.
Later,
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:55:44 9/07/99
FROM - KQ
junior-botanist I can only imagine what someone else is reading right now!!
I have not gotten any recent email
from you! can you resend it?
Spud, try dynogen in the spray can. Sometimes the Sunday newspaper inserts
have it mailorder, I think it is 150
ppm. Also Nichols Nursery in Oregon carries the concentrate.
TOPIC - Spud and that Rasta fake IMO
DATE - 08:05:30 9/07/99
FROM - Blazer
Spud I tried several times to correspond w/ that guy as have many other
friends I know ovewr the last 3 years. I
haven't had anyone say He followed through w/ any trading let alone returning
mail. I gave up and have no idea
what that addy was, sorry. My 2 ce3nts on that 1
Blaze
TOPIC - 2 questions
DATE - 22:52:23 9/06/99
FROM - Spud
question 1:Hey 67ed did you happen to write down that dutch jamaican dudes
email? Did anyone else get it?
(you know, the guy who swaps his seeds who had some great pics of his plants
on his web page). His page has
obviously been taken off the server cos it cannot be found.
question 2: has anyone used gibberellic acid to successfully produce male
flowers on female plants? If so, for
Gods sake lets hear the exact quantity of GA you used so we can settle
this mystery once and for all and start
breeding like we should. Also, I would like to know the brand you used,
what concentration of GA is in that brand
and where you got it from. Does anyone know where to score GA in Perth,
WA?
TOPIC - spaz
DATE - 21:54:20 9/06/99
FROM - pi
sounds like an od on fertilizer to me. i shoot for abour 900 ppm on most
strains and have learned that a
flush/clear the last 2 weeks of flower will improve the taste immensely!
is it possible that it has been in flower longer than just 35 days?
TOPIC - dried up
DATE - 21:07:30 9/06/99
FROM - spaz
hi all ,hope someone can help.
in 2 gal pots,sunshine mix using g.h.nutriants.(1400 ppm)
5 weeks into flower,81{temp),68% humid.
buds are small, dropping a lot of leaf and the small leafs around the buds
are dry.plants dont look good.
TOPIC - High!!
DATE - 19:29:21 9/06/99
FROM - greenbear
Peaceness,was that the NlxSk thatyou got last year? I have a P.75x( Nl#5xSk#1)
hybrid that I
haven't got around to sprouting,I think I just might give 'em a try. I
know she didn't like
indoors,I'm happy to see that she loves it outdoors!! I'll send an E-mail
tomarrow.
TOPIC -
DATE - 18:21:49 9/06/99
FROM - Vic High
Shaggy - If using an acidic food such as earth juice in a peat based mix
that will tend to let it's pH drift
downwards, be sure to add some dolomite lime to your promix. From what
I've seen, promix isn't really much
different than sunshine mix. Time of year play a role in my descision of
whether to add perlite or not. Summer
time I don't worry about it :)
Suprises - damn did that peruvian stud get around, musta been his wild
uncivilized nature that drove the girls
nuts, hehe.
TOPIC - Pro-Mix?
DATE - 14:39:59 9/06/99
FROM - shaggy
Recently got a bag of Pro-Mix--haven't opened it yet, but plan to mix it
w/castings and perlite (if necessary).
Does anyone have any experience w/Pro-Mix? I still have cocofiber, but
I think it's holding on to it's moisture for
too long and would like to try something new.
Also, going to start using Earth Juice grow--any recommendations on a good, early feeding schedule?
Hope everyone is doing well...
digit,
shaggy
TOPIC - KQ
DATE - 13:06:14 9/06/99
FROM - junior-botanist
did u know u have mail bro?
TOPIC - vic re:pics
DATE - 01:34:33 9/06/99
FROM - ...
white lightning ME circa 96/97
culled due to too fast flowering
very pretty colors though
the pics don't even do it justice. truly.
but then hindsight is always more supernatural than the original, isn't
it.
trouble with my e mail. computer can't handle it i guess.
TOPIC - Sativas
DATE - 22:32:27 9/05/99
FROM - Danbo
Raydavies, Sativas generally take up to 12 weeks of flowering time. I'm
sure they look skimpy next to indica
strains at 6 weeks. I think you'll be surprised how the
look at 8 to 10 weeks. Good sativa tends to be a more cerbral high and
though the additional flowering times ,
are one of my favs.
TOPIC - Vic, Sweet Tooth Suprise
DATE - 22:12:01 9/05/99
FROM - Raydavies
I got 5 of 9 females. 1 is very indica and 4 very sativa. Took some early
buds from lower part of the indica. During
drying, there was a citrus smell. They were very potent for such small
early buds. This plant was a breeze to
grow and my wife said very pretty. I had 2 light screw ups and no signs
of hermie. At 39 days the sativa buds
look a little thin. This is my first sativa grow. Is it to early for them
to start fattening up ? Great seeds and a great
deal. Thanks Vic.
TOPIC -
DATE - 16:10:01 9/05/99
FROM - KQ
Howdy peaceness, you can too save that female of yours! Just take some
cuttings about 3 inches long from the
bottom of the plant, surgically excise away most buddage and treat like
any other clone, high humidity being
preferable for a few days. If you did 10 of these, I bet 7 or 8 if not
more would make roots under 24/0 of cool blue
flo lights. Give it a try at least. Keep mother(s) going all winter and
make a slew of clones for next spring.
TOPIC - male pollen/next year's outdoor
DATE - 15:36:21 9/05/99
FROM - Peaceness
hello yall, this years outdoor is going
well, i have a most EXCELLENT(30 oz from a
3x3 ebb n flow under 1k sog, and so danky
that you can smell the dried buds 30 feet
away double bagged in someones pocket)plant
(n.l. #5 x sk #1) that is flowering
outdoors unfortunately i did not take
clones and cannot save the strain at this
point. therefore i am looking for some male
pollen to pollenate a few of the ladies. if
someone has some pollen laying around, i
would be interested in acquiring some.
preferrably from a short flowering
male.e-mail above, and i will share beans
in return. also i am preparing for next
years outdoor and am wondering what strains
out there are actually ready by this time
of year? i have heard of a strain called
labour day, being ready this weekend,.
anyone harvest outdoors yet and what
strains are you using? i am interested in
a late august/early sept harvest outdoors.
what strain recommendations and sources? i
have a few p.75 crosses( GREENBEAR
RULES!!!, e-mail me bro) outdoor that have
been picked so far and that will be
completely ready within the next 10-14
days, it is an awesome plant with much haze
influence.also, has anyone done shading in
the early spring/summer to get an
additional harvest outdoors, will be doing
that next season, any feedback would be
appreciated-Peaceness
TOPIC - A1 auction
DATE - 08:25:21 9/05/99
FROM - Vic High
About the auction, the little fire I've been lighting under those cali
butts seems to be getting some attention. I
wanted to hold off until A1 and Panzer started communicating with us on
what was being recieved. Also, Budm
has given the auction the most thought, so I was hoping to leave it all
with him and RC. Problem is that we
haven't heard much from Budm since his modem fried. If nothing happens
soon, I'll pick up the ball, but want to
wait and leave it for others for now. Hope you all understand.
Take care, Vic
TOPIC - thrips
DATE - 08:15:38 9/05/99
FROM - Vic High
Irish - my first indoor pest problem was thrips, but compared to mites,
they went away easily. Basically,
whatever kills mites will also control thrips. And don't listen to the
books, they can hurt your garden. In an indoor
setup, their populations can explode to the point of seriouly hurting your
yields.
In my case, I Trounced the hell out of my garden for a couple days. Then
I followed with a couple days of
spraying with straight water to wash the flowers of soap residue. I was
fighting a fungas gnat population that was
steadily growing and was starting to become a nuicence, so I introduced
the fungas gnat predator "Hypoaspis" to
the soil. It is reported to also control thrips!! Two weeks later, garden
was completely clean of thrips and gnats. I
haven't seen a thrip since except on a clone I imported, that small population
never stood a chance, hehe. My
war with the thrips wasn't much of a war. What is strange is we constantly
battled them in greenhouses like we
do with mites indoors. Good Luck
TOPIC - thrips.
DATE - 00:56:46 9/05/99
FROM - irish... me again
natural enemies of the spider mites.
does not markedly affect the fruit/flowers of a plant. does affect the
look of a plant from suckling into the leaves.
hmmm, spidermite enemies.... so... thrips, spider mites, thrips, spider
mites,... any suggestions? MF has been
treating with sm90. and hand picking (crushing?) the little basts.
TOPIC - thanks
DATE - 00:31:55 9/05/99
FROM - irish
Blaze-
thanks for the link. my friend has thrips, he figured that but didn't have
pics in any of his books. now... any
solutions?
vic- will resend.
TOPIC - rusty-Best Way To germinate Seeds
DATE - 18:06:56 9/04/99
FROM - sensi
I've found that if you make a 50/50% Mix of Pearlite and Vermiculite; Plant
seeds 3/8" or down. Thoroughly
moisten and mist daily till seeds sprout. In this mix the little sprouts
"POP" to the surface where they can be
gently scooped up and planted into the final dirt/mix. No damp off this
way either! ( if you use fresh medium)
Good Luck!
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:09:29 9/04/99
FROM - Vic High
Irish - yes I remeber emails from you. They are no longer in my inbox,
but can't remember if I replied to them or
not. I guess not if you are asking, hehe. Sorry to have lost ya.
C99xblueberry - I had a small number of C99/blueberry hybrids that I promised
someone but can't remember
who. They are from the C99 seedlings that I raised in the flower room when
I was doing the blueberry hybrids.
They are from the preflowers of the earliest C99 girl ;) The other beans
are going out to those that sent addies,
please keep in touch as to how they work out.
TOPIC - germinating
DATE - 22:29:07 9/03/99
FROM - rusty
Id like to know the most succesful way to germinate my seeds.Thanks for
any help, "rusty"
1 more thing , outdoor plants and mould, had some trouble this year, any
ideas.
TOPIC - oops, link
DATE - 19:44:02 9/03/99
FROM - Blazer
try this 1
Link: Pesticide Managment Education Program
TOPIC - more stuff
DATE - 15:17:00 9/03/99
FROM - Blazer
Pesticide Managment Education Program Info from Cornell University. A great
place to check out chemicals
etc..
Link:
TOPIC - Lurk, irish
DATE - 15:13:43