This is the archives from the BC Growers Message Board
TOPIC - There's Durban/Thai and there's...
DATE - 05:51:20 11/01/99
FROM - Soul
GG_~ I liked your hint...
Sensi_~ Original SSSC Durban/Thai Highflyer seed is totally RARE nowadays...I
know of NO ONE who has the original
beans anymore. The seeds you're referring to are from the A-1 auction,
right? - THOSE are hybrids of Durban/Thai
crossed to NL#5/Sk#1 x Hawaiian...the breeder (my buddy) calls the cross
Durban Thai Home Hybrid, or DTHH. I had
50 from this generous friend & he even gave me his last 7 original
Durban Thai seeds (11 years old), which is how I got
my special D/T lady. I repay him by giving him seeds of crosses I make
with her.
Curious Geo_~ The difference is Bros Grimm are now strictly wholesale. Heaven's Stairway is their exclusive retailer.
The original SSSC Durban/Thai cross is one of my personal favourites that
I grew back in the 80s - I know that the
mother was the Thai and she came from the fourth generation of selecting
individuals which best suited indoor
cultivation. This Thai mama was SWEET, I'm sure it's the the Thai you remember
(circa 1977?) with a head trip high? I
now have a SUPERB female D/T that I flower clones from. I really wish you
could see/smoke this plant! In 8-9 weeks of
12/12 she's ripe...a really FAST Sativa because of the Durban influence,
the ripening buds smell like foot
perspiration...really FUNKY. Thankfully, the weed cures to a delicious
licorice scent/flavour and is wickedly cerebral.
DTC99 resulted from pollinating THIS female with my best C99 male.
The above is not an advert, just info requested below. :)
{"8^)_~ Peas y'all!
TOPIC - D/T and S.S.S.C., or should I just say...
DATE - 21:55:06 10/31/99
FROM - GGreen
Those Durban/Thai mommas were propagated by a lucky grower who found and
grew out 10 year old beans. The seeds
were the original Durban/Thai High Flyer's from the Super Sativa Seed Club
in Amsterdam. I think they went to Africa to
find the perfect Sativa genetics for the Durban, but I'm not entirely sure
about the Thai. I heard the Thai had an
uncommonly sweet fragrance, but that doesn't give me any help as I'm ignorant
to pure Sativas. I've never had the
pleasure. LOL. The grower said the D/T HF smelled like anise, almost licorice
smelling. Yum. It should be incredibly
psychoactive, that's all I know! Well, I hope that quells your thirst for
some info on the D/T... {"8^)_~~~ ahemm, âme de
Monsieur... aah had a frog in my throat. uhhaaaaacccumm sorry. not trying
to put anyone on the spot here. hehe.
~GG
TOPIC - surprises?
DATE - 20:37:15 10/31/99
FROM - esay420
where am i able to obtain any of the strawberry blonde at the prices you
have listed?
TOPIC - Bushy & blend Auction retreads ... etc. etc.
DATE - 20:16:01 10/31/99
FROM - Curious George
BushyOldGrower and blend: Those three packs of haze crosses from the Auction
are waiting at HS for whichever one
of you takes care of business. B.O.G. asked first, so you guys can work
it out via E-.
As for the lack of postings ... there could be many reasons. First and
probably foremost is the season ... it's harvest
time and people are very busy and very paranoid. What with the various
busts coming down ... it's not surprising that
folks are off their feed.
( By the way, what exactly did happen to Bros. Grimm? There have been mentions
of unfortunate doings, but no
details. Where online is that info posted? There was nothing on their website,
at least not the last time I looked there. )
On that Durban / Thai cross ... I wish you the best of luck with it Vic,
but you know the odds. Haven't seen decent Thai
weed in years, and even then it had slipped in quality. For whatever reason,
it was second rate. Pretty enough, tasted
good, but the punch was long gone. Whether increased foreign demand had
changed the way it was grown, or where it
was grown ( mountain vs lowlands ) it's hard to say.
Does anyone know of any old Mexican strains being saved by breeders? Most
of the bag weed coming from there now
has seeds that look like they've had some indica put into them. Getting
pure, hardy, original, sativas is becoming
harder and harder.
What about Jamaica? Has their seedstock been
hybridized yet?
Just curious.
TOPIC - learning curve
DATE - 10:54:37 10/31/99
FROM - wimpole
hey everyone, whats going on with no one hardly posting anymore. i'm missing
out on the great info that everyone has
been offering. would like to see it start up again. never can learn to
much about the "plant"
:)
TOPIC - Vic High
DATE - 18:15:30 10/30/99
FROM - sensi
Hi Vic! Have you started your Durban/Thai yet? Seeds look nice enough,
huh? Keep us posted - I can't start mine till
next cycle. What makes me think you somehow knew these are "special"?
TOPIC - Plants & photos
DATE - 21:36:09 10/29/99
FROM - Wadsworth
My BB & RB plants are about 8" tall after a month growing in 44 oz
containers. I also have Purple Passion which are
about a foot tall but also part sativa. A good smell has developed and
I must get the air filter going.
Moonshine - how did you get the pictures developed safely? I have some
pictures I want to develope but doing it myself
is a little too difficult. Also could someone post pics here ? I think
for trouble shooting problems and just plain showing
off it would be helpful.
Just got back from the Yankees parade in NYC. If you ever get the chance
to see a ticker tape parade in NYC go! its a
trip! Paper came down like snow & was knee deep in places.
d;^)-~
TOPIC - Moonshine
DATE - 12:33:51 10/28/99
FROM - Legatto
Go ahead and post the pictures ... sounds like an interesting varient.
Have you seen the photo posted on one of the
boards of a plant called "the fat one" ?
Be sure to indicate what kind of light the little bugger is growing under
and in what kind of soil or medium.
TOPIC - Blueberry.....
DATE - 12:02:25 10/28/99
FROM - Moonshine
I recently aquired some bb seeds from Sag and some of their indoor mix....just
a question since i gather most of y'all
are bb experts :)
Some of the bb seedlings appear to be turning a dark shade of purple...the
leaves start to develop a darkish hue....still
none of the warped or gnarled traits i read about tho aren't the bb's crossed
with bubbleberry nowadays?
I did however get a couple of mutants from their indoor mix but they seem
to be settling down...apart from that
everything is healthy.The biggest is this strain that came about due to
an accidental act between a short pungent
mystery indica(this bud smelt like sulphur when i broke it open,really
eggy) and what i guess to be a pure sativa
probably jamaican since i got it outta a commercial bag of shwag and i
think most of our commercial weed is
jamaican...it's growing like crazy with apparently no intention of growing
upwards just developing more and more leaves
whilst staying at about 4 inches....i can scan and put some pics up if
anybody is interested...
TOPIC - parasitic wasp
DATE - 22:55:36 10/26/99
FROM - Spaz
hey vic...
i had a small problem with thrips.
as i was spraying the plants with soap i noticed a couple of small black
bugs.
after reading the link to "pests" it talks about a parasitic wasp wich
is a natural predator wich was imported.
is it possible that i have somehow stumbled on good thing?
i live in the okanagen if that makes a diff.
if i keep my room cool will this help with pests?
room temp avaeages 72 degrees
TOPIC - I want some seeds here, will help A-1 too :)
DATE - 09:52:10 10/25/99
FROM - BushyOlderGrower
Hey if the NLW/Haze or just some NLW would be great, I want the NLW strain
I am not sure of how to do this so
please email me I want a couple packets , one of the t2h1 would also be
ok or any good yeilding indoor strain that is
potent :) I bid , I have to get some NLW mainly, it seems my genetics could
be better :) BOG 15 bucks per packet is
no rip off that is for sure how about 16 per packet of something like mentioned.
Wish I could get some Blueberry! As I
have already donated a little to A-1 I hope you believe me as sincere in
my wish to help him in his cause, our cause,
we are winning the medical mari war :) Thanks all for the help here, I
spend to much time at Overgrow in the Tank. Why
am I only geting one side of this board to load now?
TOPIC - SHARECROPER heh
DATE - 04:41:22 10/25/99
FROM - pi
glad i saw your last post. specially after this past weekend!
you are correct sir ... GT! 5-1 and #7
Bama did no rolling this weekend over 10-or-C. Bwahahaha. looks like Duboius
will not be getting ANY from the
sexetary this weekend ;0)
TOPIC - pizza
DATE - 23:15:22 10/24/99
FROM - irish
hey pizza,
2 tbs (tablespoons???) per gallon?
man, way too much. my friend had the same problem as this a while back.
due to hardness of the water (8.something
@ 210-225 ppm) got a reverse osmosis filter, and have yet to add any lime
or epsoms. something in the water
(calcium) was locking out much of the Mg.
TOPIC - Hydro Nutrients
DATE - 14:17:36 10/24/99
FROM - Dr. GT
Q: What is an optimal EC PPM for Gen Hydro Nutrients durng flowering (1
Month into flowering)?
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:16:09 10/24/99
FROM - pizza
thanks gentelman i think i will cut back on the mg.yes i let the water
sit 2 days before i water but i also run air into a
15gal container.the strain is amsterdam bigbud.its one pretty site when
its finished
TOPIC - duh...
DATE - 11:06:09 10/24/99
FROM - GG
I'm making a bad habit of not reading posts carefully before I answer.
Terra Bloom obviously has N in it. 15-30-15...
Sorry.
I would say too much Mg then. That's my guess. Damn it's hard to figure
out deficiencies without an actual picture of
the leaves.
Good luck!
TOPIC - geez
DATE - 11:03:44 10/24/99
FROM - GG
That's alot of Mg to be adding. If you have ever added dolomite lime to
the mix that heavy dose of Epsom salts may be
binding with the Ca, locking it out. That's just my opinion, I'm not an
expert so take it for what it's worth. That sucks
that your water has such a high ph. Do you let it sit out for a bit before
you use it? That may help a bit.
Also, you should still be using a light N supplement as your plants still
need some N for flowering (especially if they
have any Sativa in them! Sativa's like more N during flowering than Indica's
do) Just be careful not to add too much.
Vic, any comments?
TOPIC - irish&mirage
DATE - 09:27:11 10/24/99
FROM - pizza
terra bloom is 15-30-15 made by supernatural on the island.as far as mg
they get 2tbs in every gallon of water along
with ph down. ph here is around 9 i lower it to 6.2.when i flush i only
add ph down but when i feed they get 1 1/2 tsb
terra bloom 2tbs mg 1/2tsb ph down per gal of water. i have followed this
method for the last three crops its worked
fine.this time something has changed but i dont know what
TOPIC - B.O.G. & .blend
DATE - 08:37:26 10/24/99
FROM - Curious George
Upon further consideration, we'll also get off the auction pack of BW09
- Blue Widow ( $35 ) ... If that report posted here
mentioning the stretch in the BW strain is accurate, it might not be an
appropriate choice for the growers and co-op
situations that are available to us here. Might as well send them to a
more receptive home.
May all of you have a most bountiful and blessed harvest season.
TOPIC - B.O.G. & blend ...
DATE - 07:28:08 10/24/99
FROM - Curious George
Last call. If either of you want to take some of those auction items before
I send off the order, please post soon. The
deadline is getting close.
Two packs of NLW-Haze, one pack of T2-H1-Haze, one pack of NC5A, ... all went for $15 ... .
blend: I'll probably hold on to the Northern Fantasy, but I'll go back
and check if there's one of those WW crosses I can
let slide and post it later today.
The frost is on the pumpkin!
TOPIC -
DATE - 06:36:26 10/24/99
FROM - MIRAGE
Pizza ~ You mention "Terra Bloom" in your post , by this do you mean "Canna"
the Dutch Nutrient ?
TOPIC -
DATE - 06:32:13 10/24/99
FROM - MIRAGE
Mr Spock ~
Which country are you in , or should I say in which general area of the
world ? If Australasia is your place , then email
me.
Vic ~ Can you email me with your current email addy ?
RC ~ Can you email me ? I have lost contact with you since I went to California
the first time and haven't heard from
you since. I am in great need of discussion.
TOPIC - pizza
DATE - 02:46:36 10/24/99
FROM - irish
did you stop using the nitrogen side of the fertilizer schedule?
also could be a Mg deficiency.
if flushing is making it worse, you are lacking, not burning. try and add
some nitrogen back in with about a tablespoon
of epsom salts to every five gallons.
TOPIC - yellowing patches on upper leaves
DATE - 07:35:28 10/23/99
FROM - pizza
my plants are 3 weeks into flowering Im growing in #2 sunshine mix ph is
6.2 feeding terra bloom 1 1/2 tsb per gallon.
two days ago yellow patches started appearing I flushed but more leaves
are getting yellow dry patches on them any
ideas
TOPIC -
DATE - 21:55:35 10/22/99
FROM - farmer
strider scratching in a little dusting or soil sulphur on top of your pots
should do the trick. i use it outdoors to keep my
hydrangeas blue
TOPIC - ph post more info..
DATE - 20:41:01 10/22/99
FROM - Strider
Hey...All...! Thank's for the intrest...heres a rundown of why I feel I
have a ph
problem, and the symptoms: Previous grow was in super soil mix using blood
and
cottonseed meal. listed on bcga page; first grow with present set up. I
had problems with
that grow both with my plants and venting system. I ended up planting them
outdoors.
Where they grew out of thier problems and finshed ok. I figured I had not
properly aged
or composted out the supersoil mix. I worked what I had Left into the flower
beds and
started over. I thouroghly mixed the ingriedients, composted till biologic
activity
subsided then turned and let age for about 3 1/2 mo. with turnings to dry
it somewhat
Present grow using that mix is at 7 1/2 wks. plants have all had tip burn
and
downward hooking of tip ends to varying degrees with one ak plant developing
ramshorn
leaves with lots of dead edge tissue. other plants have had upturned but,
unburned edges
on some leaves. a cali-o and an ak have had a yellowing around the perimiter
of the
leaves on 1st to 3rd internode down from the growing tip and the newer
ak leaves
were/are begining to turn up like a dead upside down spider with burnt
tips. all are in
supersoil and were watered with raw water at 7 ph. media ph of some plants
close to 7.5.
2 blueberry and 2 rsb surprises are growing in straight promix with a little
greensand,
bone meal and micro nutes. I have been feeding them fish and kelp ferts.
They are doing
great! The difference between the 2 medias was n source and lime And ph.
Ph of the BB
and RSBS was frm 6.2 to 6.5 as media dried.
Research indicated my problem might be high n uptake and micro nute lock
up
due to a high ph. so adjusting the ph seemed like the safest route to start
with. After 2
flush/water cycles with the lowerd ph my plants have started to come out
of thier
problems. The ramshorn ak has 2 sets normal leaves and damaged leaves have
lifted/perked up. rest of plants growing normaly. new leaves look good
and yellowing
gone. all but the ak with the burnt and upturned new growth have improved
100%. I can
only get the ph to last about 3 days b4 its bufferd and begins to climb
back twoard 7 so
thats why I am looking for a slow but steady additive to dress the soil
with to help me
keep the ph around 6 to 6.5 .
Vic... great and noble job on the A1 auction buddy! your friends are lucky
people.
Hope you don't mind my kind of "newbie question" post. I really respect
the advice and
growers on your board. An added perk is www.coastnet looks a lot better
on the old ISP
list than www.cannabinoid or cannabisworld. Strider...................
TOPIC - Thank you
DATE - 20:22:52 10/21/99
FROM - GG
Thanks guys, I was getting a little worried. Sorry for the off topic post
Vic.
TOPIC - Overgrow
DATE - 19:52:26 10/21/99
FROM - Skoosh
NL is making some server changes at Overgrow that should help with traffic
flow, etc.
TOPIC - Overgrow.com = Scheduled Maintenance(sp?)
DATE - 15:44:09 10/21/99
FROM - Perp
NFM
TOPIC - whats up with Overgrow?
DATE - 12:59:13 10/21/99
FROM - GG
Why is Overgrow offline? Does anyone have any clues? TIA
~GG
TOPIC - Pro-mix
DATE - 08:31:15 10/21/99
FROM - occam
Strider, Pro-mix being a peat-based soiless media the pH should be somewhat
acidic. Some dolo. lime is added to the
mix at packaging, so your addition of lime plus the alkaline water might
explain the slightly high pH.
IMO, the rather extreme fluctuations in pH you have been dealing with may
be more of a problem than a pH of 7-7.3
And of course, make sure your pH meter is calibrated...;)
TOPIC - strider
DATE - 07:56:48 10/21/99
FROM - sb
Strider
I agree wit deese guys.
7-7.3 is quite normal and therefore just fine for your medium(hydro is
a seperate issue).You may want to post some
particulars in order to help sort out the problem.
TOPIC - hehe
DATE - 23:11:57 10/20/99
FROM - GG
I should have paid more attention to your post. Yeah, 7.0 is okay, maybe
just a tad high. You may show a SLIGHT P
deficiency because Phosphorus is more available at lower PH's. However,
it shouldn't be that bad. If you've been using
Phosphoric acid that would supply them with P though and it wouldn't be
very evident. I have absolutely no experience
with Pro mix BX. What's the BX? Also, what do your plants look like that
you are noticing a deficiency? Maybe you're
not letting them dry out enough between waterings? More info would help.
Sometimes adding too many nutrients will
lock certain ones out. Too much phosphorus during veg. will lock certain
nutes out. You should probably add some
nitrogen if you are still vegetating. Perhaps some high N guano or some
blood meal. Organics decompose and become
more acidic over time which I like so that P is more available for flowering.
TOPIC -
DATE - 20:56:23 10/20/99
FROM - indicaa
Actually, 7.0 is a nuetral PH. It should be fine for soil. I'm pretty sure
if you measured the PH of the Promix, it would be
around 7.0 out of the bag. My PH has always been around 7.0, it's considered
a nuetral PH, and I've never had any
problems over several years of using it. What makes you think that you
should lower your PH?? I think maybe 7.3
might be a little high, but for the most part, you should be OK. And if
you added dolomite lime, the PH should remain
nuetral anyways. I can't say this as gospel, but it's always worked for
me.
TOPIC - ph down
DATE - 19:09:54 10/20/99
FROM - GGreen
nevermind about the gypsum, I just read something contradictory saying
that gypsum doesn't really help.
how about
Iron sulphate? start with about 1/4 - 1/2 oz. per gallon of water.
TOPIC - PH DOWN!
DATE - 19:03:04 10/20/99
FROM - GGreen
Strider,
I have never needed to use anything to lower my ph, it was always to raise
it in an MJ grow. I can offer some
sugestions that might work though, just from basic experience with other
plants such as peppers, shrubs, azaleas,
etc.
These will lower your ph:
Gypsum
Holly-Tone (contains nutes too)
and of course- Sulphur
Hope that helps.
~GG
TOPIC - Ph woes
DATE - 18:54:05 10/20/99
FROM - Strider
Hey..All....! I'm posting with the hope that you good folks may be able
to help me with a high ph problem I'm having with
my grow. Ph of my media hangs around 7 to 7.3. Plants are starting to show
some stress. The last 2 watering cycles
(about every 5 to 6 days) I have drenched the pots with water treated with
sulfuric acid to a ph of about 5 the first cycle,
and phosphoric acid at about the same ph on the second this lasts about
2 to 3 days then the media cranks back up
to around 7. I would think I am going to have to use some granular/powdered
form of amendment to give a more
constant release to keep the ph down. Seeing as how there is not much room
for error in a 4 or 5 gal pot I felt it might
be best to consult some more experienced growers. Any advice ? One or two
more things... I used pro mix bx as my
media. I did not add as much of the nitrogen additives as called for in
the mix. but stuck with the recommended
amounts of bone meal also added greensand. Unless I zoned out and doubled
up on the lime without realizing it I
added the amount called for in the mix About 3 cups to a 3.8 bale. my untreated
water is ph 7 to 7.2 " I get by with a
little help from my friends"
TOPIC - Problems
DATE - 18:44:32 10/20/99
FROM - ahhsome
Houston I have a problem!
well how should I start ok I live and grow in florida recently power was
knocked out by hurricane and my power went of
for 2 days after the light returned I took them out of 12/12 lighting thinking
that they were still in veg mode
(y the way this is my first time growing solo) after A FULL 28 hours of
light I spotted something I think it is a bud
because it looks dissimilar from the other leaf formation
I immediaty put it back in 12/12 and now Im left wondering will the buds
come out allright. Please HELP thanks this
page is the shit
TOPIC -
DATE - 11:48:54 10/20/99
FROM - del...
fwiw...new icq account = 52818423
TOPIC - Meeting set with del thruday 3:00pm
DATE - 10:00:32 10/20/99
FROM - Mzzmo
We will be having a meeting with del at can.com, in #sammyscave, at 3 tomorrow,
pacific time, for anyone wishing to
ask questions. This will be on invite, so please try to use the registered
names, so we will know who you are and
message someone in the cave for an invite. this is to illiminate the people
who need not be there. My alt nick is
sammy, so message me, or del, or anyone in the room.
TOPIC -
DATE - 04:58:44 10/20/99
FROM - RC
You're right on the Homgrown Fantasy, a WWXAfgani. I was just over at HGF
last week and John had a few stems he
was cleaning. I did confiscate a small sample to take back to my room.
Very smooth smoke, excellent aroma, filled
my room with a rich sweet smell, even nicer was the buds aroma which passed
through a sealed baggie and filled the
air. Potency was very good plus the duration. If you do ever try it though,
pack your bags and get ready for some
extreme paranoia trips.
TOPIC - auction strains
DATE - 02:04:54 10/20/99
FROM - .blend
CG: from the names i think i can identify the others for you... (northern
lights x white widow) x haze and northern lights
x homegrown fantasy.
homegrown fantasy is from homegrown fantaseeds. check it out, looks like ww x afgani...
btw email me, i'll take over your bids if you don't want those two...
.blend
Link: homegrown fantaseeds
TOPIC - Life's a long song
DATE - 15:48:34 10/19/99
FROM - ShareCropper
Curious and PI
Thanks for the come back guys. Glad to see someoneís awake. Where have
I been Pi? Ever been to the Black Belt of
Alabama. Maybe Greene and Perry counties. Been there, lived there and it
is VERY, VERY sad there. Enough said.
Vote and vote often.
Ramblin Wreck eh Pi? ROOOOLL Tide Roll!!! HA.
CG
I have grown out the NC5b and the BlueWidow from NCGA. Must say they were
not quite up to what I had expected.
The BW got VERY leggy more willow than widow. Nice enough HIGH but not
spectacular. In fact I still have ~ 30 seeds
left, so I will go back there one day to see if maybe it was me and not
the beans. The NC5b got BIG. Long internodes,
thick stems not a particularly strong smell. It has been a couple of years
so my memory is circumspect. This is not a
slam on the NC stains as I have one of his PR strains that is hands down
the best I have grown indoors so far. Sheís a
mother and I have crossed with his NC4, which was a SWEEET little number.
Like honeysuckle. I often see people ask
about how to choose a male for breeding and I can tell you I just smoke
the growing tips. The head knows! MAN, that
cross is NICE!!!. Check out the reseachint.org WEB site. Most of the strains
you ask about are described there.
Peace, happiness and well being to you and yours!
Hello Skunk! How you been? Still growing the NC ities? Take care and be
SAFE.
TOPIC - CG
DATE - 14:12:09 10/19/99
FROM - sb
The NLW is NL x WWidow (PDS)
The Nc5a is a reseach international offering.I've never grown it.
The T2H1 is a haze from a member of the i-net community(hmmm who could
it be...look for clues) that I found to be
well worth the effort.I grew a couple from seed and even though I took
them down at 8 weeks, they were beginning to
fatten up nicely and the high was a very long-lasting trippy sativa high.A
whole indo crop might prove to be a bother due
to the stretch, but one or two hanging out along one wall of the grow adds
a little spice to the selection.
They may not have a fancy pedigree but a rose is a rose is a rose even
if it is from the south... eh george?
TOPIC - Auction, Strains, & Seeds for B.O.G.
DATE - 10:45:50 10/19/99
FROM - Curious George
The auction seems to have raised a considerable chunk of change for A-1's
defence. That's good. Not only did we have
the opportunity to lend a hand, we had a chance to act on our principles.
It felt good.
Now I'm left wondering what the heck it is I've got? Some of the strain
names were familiar, but some were a complete
mystery. Some were outlined in posts to the board, but a few were not.
For instance,can anyone tell me what T2 - H1 - Haze is? The haze, as I
recall, is a cerebral and slow to mature sativa
varient, but what's the rest of that cross?
How about NC5A ? Is NLW some sort of Northern Lights? Are any of the auction
varieties able to grow well outdoors, or
are they all just for indoors?
Are any of the strains better suited to S.O.G. style grows?
Which of the strains are likely to be an upper and where do we look for "couch lock city"?
I'm getting ready to send off for my auction picks, but if Bushy Old Grower
wants to take some of them from HS at my
bid price, he's welcome to do it.
Not having a clue what they are, I'm inclined to get off the pack of T2-H1-Haze
( $15 ), both packs of NLW x Haze ( $15
each ), the NC5A ( ( $15 ), and the Northern Fantasy ( $25 ). Although
the haze is supposed to be worth waiting for, it's
slowness probably makes it a poor candidate for indoor/outdoor status.
Frankly, I overbought. Being unable to grow at present, I'd planned on
farming them out, so to speak, with several folks
with the requisite experience. But, the thrill of the auction and my natural
curiosity won out. If B.O.G. doesn't want
them, I'll certainly make good on all the beans I won.
So, what can we guess about Juicy Russian and Juicy Widow? Someone will
probably breed a "Juicy Russian
Widow", if only for the marketing draw of the name!
What should we look for in the Blue Widow or Durban Widow crosses? Can a Durban Widow sing the Blues?
Just curious.
TOPIC - seed exchange/auction
DATE - 07:48:29 10/19/99
FROM - BushyOlderGrower
Hey Vic email me as I missed out on the auction and i need a new indoor
organic seed line. I was gonna donate seeds
but mine are all somewhat hermie. I wanted to help out a-1 some more though,
so can you email me with any
suggestions of what you think i might try if you still have some to auction.
The rom-cindy sounds good :). I have dutch
Passion Mazar and Blueberry coming soon, what else that yeilds well indoors
do you have? Please email me Vic,
wanting a new line as mine have declined over 20 years :) but they are
still good, I still love the taste of mine the best :)
BOG
TOPIC - southernXposure & spock
DATE - 19:28:09 10/18/99
FROM - trelaway
spock---click on the BCGA icon and go to the homepage. Scroll down to seedbank
links and click on Heaven's
Stairway.
southern---Canada is pretty cool but isn't universal. You can do two years
for growing in Nova Scotia and net a fine for
the same thing in British Columbia. Canada can still take yer home for
growing but I walk around downtown Vancouver
and Victoria smoking joints during the day--ya have to be a little discreet--watch
for bicycle cops.
TOPIC - mutations
DATE - 11:47:23 10/18/99
FROM - snakeman
Hi. This is unrelated to what the BCGA is into but your page came up on
an exhaustive search this morning...I'm into
plants of all sorts and I'm wondering if anyone in BC/Canada knows of any
naturally occurring plant mutations in the
wild? Like the Gold Spruce up in Haida Gwaii or the Lobe-Leafed alders
near Cowichan Lake on Vancouver Island or
the Twisted Aspens in Saskatchewan...It's a long shot, I know but maybe
someone knows someone who knows
something or has seen something. Thanks for your time. Post something and
I'll read it here.
Dave
TOPIC - no kidding
DATE - 22:18:38 10/17/99
FROM - GGreen
Hey SouthernExposure, I've entertained that thought numerous times! And
Vic, you sure had me paying out the wazoo
for those DTHH's!!! It was a pleasure bidding against you, LOL. Now how
about those RomCindies?
Well, you need to find some sort of name for them besides Romulan x Cinderella
99.
Vic, email me. I want to talk to you and am not sure of your addy. Mauimail something or another, that's all I know.
Anyhow, stay cool everyone! Play it safe! It appears that LEO is out of
control lately. Even the most conservative
people that I know are calling America a police state.
TOPIC -
DATE - 21:55:25 10/17/99
FROM - RC
Another pic, I'm there. Warm up that scanner Vic!! ;)
TOPIC - auction
DATE - 21:16:38 10/17/99
FROM - peaceness
Vic you did a great job with the A-1 auction. Thanks for being on it bro!!
-Peaceness
TOPIC -
DATE - 19:54:36 10/17/99
FROM - jay
vic time for a picture change..waddya say gang..?wanna see another pic..?
TOPIC - Paging Vic
DATE - 16:22:53 10/17/99
FROM - KQ
Sir, you you email me and tell me what's going on? Appreciate that very
much!
TOPIC - How do i get hold of BCGA genetics
DATE - 15:53:10 10/17/99
FROM - MrSpock
Hows it going,I like the sound of some of your strains.I am overseas.Do
BCGA members swap beans,or maybe send
some out for experimental grow in my land.Sorry about being so forward
,I am not a scab.Maybe we can work
something out.All the best keep on keeping on......MrSpock
TOPIC - How do i get hold of BCGA genetics
DATE - 15:49:55 10/17/99
FROM - MrSpock
Hows it going,I like the sound of some of your strains.I am overseas.Do
BCGA members swap beans,or maybe send
some out for experimental grow in my land.Sorry about being so forward
,I am not a scab.Maybe we can work
something out.All the best keep on keeping on......MrSpock
TOPIC - Greetings
DATE - 02:40:47 10/17/99
FROM - SthrnXposure
Canada seems to be living the american dream, whilst America falls to what
it fought against. I live in a nation who is
great yet cannot stop checking its feces to make sure all is good. Is there
something terrible about Canada that I need
to know other than it gets really cold in the winter. Because I don't understand
why 1/4 of america hasn't moved there. I
myself am considering the journey to B.C. for reasons of freedom. Here
I have to hide what I do because of being
de-freed. Is there anything anyone can offer me information-wise upon this
venture? And are you all really the owners of
the world's only steam powerd clock?
TOPIC - Weed
DATE - 23:17:56 10/16/99
FROM - Hallo Wienie
Weed Rocks
TOPIC - Louisiana Getaway
DATE - 20:50:08 10/16/99
FROM - Curious George
Evidently, the Supreme Court of Louisiana recently struck down a sodomy
statute for violating the state constitution by
invading privacy, or some such thing.
So tell us Mr. Tight-ass, which behavior would you rather have *your* teenage
daughter engaging in : entirely legal anal
intercourse or smoking that horrible illegal reefer?
Just curious.
Link: interstate jailbait detector
TOPIC - earthquake
DATE - 17:10:59 10/16/99
FROM - wimpole
back in 64 in alaska my father just happened to be driving in downtown
anchorage when the quake started. he always
kept a movie camera with him "that was before camcorders" and he got some
film of the roads opening up and
buildings falling down, even after 35 years its still a trip to watch that.
gonna take a cruise up there in a couple of years its gonna be interesting
to see the changes since the 60's. hopefully
will be able to sample some good vancover bud "hint hint" since the ship
we are going to take docks there. guys
remember i talked about this two years in advance so when i start begging
think about me.
lol
TOPIC - piers
DATE - 13:00:13 10/16/99
FROM - trelaway
A seven eh? Hmmm, I've been wondering when the earthquakes were gonna crawl
up the west coast of North America.
Here on Vancouver island we're waiting for 'the big one' too.
Maybe yer place is still standing because of the piers; my thinking is
that flexability could be an asset in an
earthquake.
TOPIC - Rock'n'an'Rollin"....
DATE - 08:41:19 10/16/99
FROM - Perp
Earth Quake wake-up call at 2:45 a.m. this morn, 7.0 outside of L.A, shook
the shit out of my mountain cabin (its only
on piers, no real foundation).....YeeHawww!!! Ridem'! Ha!
...and jus' like Marijuana has never killed anyone, an earthquake has never
killed any Marijuana!....unlike hurricanes
and floods, Haaaa!
~Peas
ph
TOPIC - bad news
DATE - 07:56:43 10/16/99
FROM - ahhhsome
Bad news from florida a friend of mine just had 6 plots totaled by hurricane
(irean)I thinks that the name of It.
sucks
TOPIC - Budm
DATE - 16:43:56 10/15/99
FROM - oldtimer1
KGB He had his puter slagged by a lightning strike!
TOPIC - Thanks Vic..
DATE - 16:03:32 10/14/99
FROM - chronic man
You know tha advice you gave me about flushing the soil with water and
h202 seems to be working quite well. I've also
let them get drier between waterings. It's kinda strange how that worked
out. Maybe the Dolomite that was there in the
first place was just starting to break down, but the magnesium deficiency
was still showing up. So when I added
epsom salts, it was too much, because of the dolomite lime that was starting
to do it's thing. Well, growth seems to be
back to normal for now, no new magnesium deficiency signs, and I'm happy.
Maybe the key to organics is KISS.
(Keep It Simple Stupid) hehehehe
Thanks for the advice...By the way, the short stocky ones with the BIG
leaves are kickin ass. maybe these are some
other type that we are talking about. They are branchy, but not really
much more than others, but the internodes are
really close together. Only time will tell. So far, I'm impressed....Keep
up the good work. All sprouted, and all seem
very healthy. (except for the minor setback).
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - WHERE'S BUDM?
DATE - 21:46:21 10/13/99
FROM - KGB
Hey Vic, all -
what happened to Budm? Is his computer down? Haven't seen him around for awhile.
Vic, quick Romberry question, if I may: does the Rom tend to drop lots
of leaves in late flowering? Or am I starving
them of nitrogen?
Thanks man,
KGB
TOPIC - Just growing
DATE - 21:06:03 10/13/99
FROM - Mr Freeze
First time here, does'nt seems to me like
a full time chat
TOPIC - nevermind.
DATE - 18:01:10 10/13/99
FROM - irish
thanks, just read your message Vic.
auction ends the 18th.
TOPIC - Trelaway
DATE - 17:32:59 10/13/99
FROM - blackbudget
There are proxy sites that offer encrypted links between you and your ISP.
Very cool...
TOPIC - margi-correction.
DATE - 15:16:06 10/13/99
FROM - trelaway
last line, first paragraph should read:
...your local isp server regularly deletes logs.
TOPIC - margi
DATE - 15:14:11 10/13/99
FROM - trelaway
Simply having an isp makes you bustable, technically. You can muddle up
your traffic route using proxies but they do
log all yer activities whereas, to my understanding, your local isp regularly
deletes logs.
The only net community I've ever heard to be targetted by LEO are the child
porn people.
TOPIC - how does the LEO
DATE - 07:41:12 10/13/99
FROM - margi
trace you? I mean, what does one have to do to become a target for the
leo's, and how do they trace your internet
activities? Do they bust you on the web sites you visit? Are there any
ISP's that are anony? Or can your isp become
anon? I am rather confused as to how this happened to begin with. I do
surf the net, so since I do, I am a target?
TOPIC - please excuse the interrupt
DATE - 22:37:57 10/12/99
FROM - irish
when is the last day for auction bids?
TOPIC - Curious George
DATE - 19:14:24 10/12/99
FROM - sensi
How true, how true! It almost seems like the "real" people in this world
are loosing out to the Politicians, LEO's,
Lawyers and the religious Do Gooders. My grandfather told me: "There are
3 types of people in this world: those who
need to be told what to do; those who want to tell other people what to
do; and the rest of us who just want to be left
alone!" Without going into my usual radical speech,(not too much that is)
my take on the A1, MG, etc thing is that
until we all band together and stand up for our rights, and that includes
self defense if necessary, us mj people will just
be victims. Sorry folks but I ain't about to do the early Christian thing
and be crucified! No LEO will ever take me alive!
Die on your feet free or on your knees a slave....
Just MHO.
TOPIC - ot1...what are roller blinds???
DATE - 16:10:18 10/12/99
FROM - ph
...and what is white backing? 20% IS Substancial! Do elaborate pleeze....
Thanx,
ph (clueless)
TOPIC -
DATE - 11:11:52 10/12/99
FROM - oldtimer1
ahhsome We found enclosing the plant canopy with white backed mylar on
roller blinds increased yields by 15 to
20%. The bud quality was also improved. Ot1.
TOPIC - cease
DATE - 07:48:29 10/12/99
FROM - Margi
all contact? LEO's are a sly group.
TOPIC - Ouch ...
DATE - 23:06:53 10/11/99
FROM - Curious George
It seems that a few more souls have been brought low by the "brain-police".
We all stand charged with a thought-crime!
The moment we think it, we're criminals.
The moment we sport an illegal smile, we're criminals.
Our fates are in the hands of career functionaries.
Keep in mind that many police departments use pre-employment intelligence
tests to weed out candidates who are too
dim-witted *or* Too Smart! ( There was an article about it recently in
the NY Times )
Pretty depressing ...
Pass the joint.
TOPIC -
DATE - 22:11:59 10/11/99
FROM - Vic High
My heart felt concern goes out to MG and the BG family. Hope all sorts
itself out.
TOPIC - auction question
DATE - 19:28:46 10/11/99
FROM - Triage
what is the "T2 H1 X Haze" in the seed auction?
TOPIC - man
DATE - 18:15:31 10/11/99
FROM - rambo
either way, that totally sux. Gonna wish the best for him.
TOPIC - Misread/print????
DATE - 17:21:13 10/11/99
FROM - Perp
Ram'Bro, no disrespect mon......did you mean "How's" Sly and NOT "Who's"
Sly????...big diff, know what I
mean????....word is domestic probs led to bust for mg....nuff said, cross
your fingers for mg and now there's another
POW!!!!
TOPIC - Soul
DATE - 16:50:58 10/11/99
FROM - How?
Is there anything anyone can do?
TOPIC - AK-47
DATE - 16:11:02 10/11/99
FROM - Weed-Man
If I grow AK-47 in my house, how much will it stink?
TOPIC - perp
DATE - 15:10:57 10/11/99
FROM - rambo
a friend who's concerned.
TOPIC - Rambo, who mentioned sly?????
DATE - 14:29:47 10/11/99
FROM - Perp
and who are you?
TOPIC - so who's
DATE - 14:12:20 10/11/99
FROM - rambo
sly? is he safe?
TOPIC -
DATE - 05:44:31 10/11/99
FROM - ahhsome
How much does mylar work! Is it worth putting it up or should I just stick
to white walls and mylar floors?????
TOPIC - Aw Shit!!!!!!
DATE - 19:59:48 10/10/99
FROM - Perp
That SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!....we need a strike force and a budget to fight this
shit!!!!!!
Goddammit, this shit is too close to home!!!!!, and it's fucked!!!!....another
auction??? Idunno????...Oi the
risks!!!!...excuse the rant!!!
TOPIC - Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
DATE - 16:25:03 10/10/99
FROM - Soul
Anyone who's been in contact with "mg" should beware that he's in the hands
of LEO.
TOPIC - Greenbear & Vic
DATE - 15:33:32 10/10/99
FROM - Curious George
The easiest way to smooth-out corn whiskey is to put a bunch of activated
charcoal into the jug and shake it up twice
a day. All those nasty tastes and hangover demons are banished in short
order. Some of the best squeezings I've ever
had was made by a school teacher who lived up in a desolate hollow, and
that's how he "aged" his wares.
Vic, thanks for those url's for the A1 auction ... they loaded just fine
... I even bid on a few pieces, just for the heck of it
... there's no telling what's in most of those genes, but that's OK ...
I like suprises ( most of the time ).
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:45:03 10/10/99
FROM - oldtimer1
GB you have a reply!
TOPIC - sorry...
DATE - 09:10:23 10/10/99
FROM - greenbear
...chunky nugs!! ot1 ,did youget my mail?
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:22:09 10/10/99
FROM - oldtimer1
mail call vic
TOPIC - offense to greenbear's remark
DATE - 23:43:59 10/09/99
FROM - chucky
i take offense to the way you say chucky there fella,hehehebehehehehawwwwwwww.
TOPIC - 75% Romulan report...moonshine
DATE - 15:53:56 10/09/99
FROM - greenbear
Vic the R75 is winning the bud wars at week 4, titty pink hairs,thick n
chucky buds and that
Romulan smell.....the secret to "moonshine" is getting the right fraction
of the distilate,fusoils:
hydrocarbonsof higher or lower molecular weight then ethanol that give
the booze the taste
and the hangover...pure ethanol will give one less of "the morning after"
....
TOPIC - vic and cannabis world familiars
DATE - 12:49:11 10/09/99
FROM - irish
that url contains bg's site somewhere in their folds.
actually two. one really cool one and one "plain". i have links if anyone
wants.
TOPIC - NC5A
DATE - 10:23:56 10/09/99
FROM - sensi
Anyone have any info on the NC5A variety on the A1 auction?
Indica, Sativa, ???
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:06:49 10/09/99
FROM - t2
vic that local wasn't the toothless bald one that sits on the porch with
his banjo was it?hehe
TOPIC - germ report
DATE - 10:03:39 10/09/99
FROM - toker2
for those interested in the hindu kush x haze at the auction,22 of 24 have
sprouted since planting 6 days ago
TOPIC - auction strain info
DATE - 09:13:10 10/09/99
FROM - Damion
Question about the Skunk1 x NL5
hey, was just wondering if Bdubs sk1xnl5 would be M39 from
the SSSC, sk1xnl5 from the seedbank, or shivaskunk from
sensiseed? From the name, I'd suspect its from the Seedbank, but the true
lineage makes a difference to me, so any
feedback would be great. Thanks Damion
Sorry for posting this here Vic, but it seemed to get lost in the middle
of all the bids at the other page!
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:44:28 10/09/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey Pi! I remember driving a chevy down in your parts and having fun with
one of those locals!!! hahaha
Just kiddin, as for moonshine, I have an old friend up here that makes
the best moonshine, this stuff is clean! You can
get falling down and drooling drunk, pass out, and then get up and get
to work with no hangover. The best. I keep
meaning to become a student of his and learn his secrets, I better get
on it before the ol boy's not around. Lives about
half a day away.
That Sheriff story sounds familiar, I've known similar types of stuff in
our smaller towns. And the big stills? We got
loads dude. I often wonder why I don't get into that in a big way. Less
heat and there is a huge market. Many bars try
to save taxes by serving the blackmarket stuff and make a killing doing
it. There was a big bust/crackdown a couple
years back, but only after the legit distilleries made a big enough of
a stink. Just think of the potential, a big distillery
operation and a MJ production operation side by side, they kinda naturally
go together. Air goes into distillery, gets
CO2 enhanced, and then into MJ production facility, where the still odours
are natuarally scrubbed (LOL) and CO2
consumed, and then into an ozone room before release. I better check the
map and make sure I'm not in the south!!!
hahaha
have a good weekend folks, it's a long one up here.
TOPIC - sharecropper and da South
DATE - 02:09:57 10/09/99
FROM - pi
hey bubba where you been? i have been living in the south for nigh on 27
years and i have seen it all. Deliverance and
Dukes of Hazzard shall we say...heh!
-been chased in the N Gawgia moutains by a drunk 'neck pretending to a
cop in an old beat up chevy.
-had another 'neck level a shotgun at group of rafters (Chatooooooooga
anyone)
-been arrested in Blairsille Gawgia (and released) after a Dukes of Hazzard
chase through the mountains in a Dodge
440 of a co-worker
-drank moonshine
-seen a 10,000 gallon still in a barn ). guy got busted for growing mj
hehehe.
-ate chitterlings yuck squirrel hmmm
-got a DUI by a Sheriff who was later conficted of marijuanna smuggling
on the county airport (Henry County Ga)
-etc etc etc
need i go on? point is Dukes of Hazzard AND Deliverance stuff DOES go on
in the South and i have and AM LIVING
living it. ... and yes the jury did not convict the farmer of growing and
yes the townsfolke elected a new sheriff who
admitted to looking the other way. happened near Savannah Gawgia.
far as education goes... i got my engineering degree from one the best
public engineering schools in the world which is
located in the south and i am proud to be an alumni. conversely once you
get passed the college level into the hs and
gs level the education drops off dramatically. i have live in 8 states
and i can say that the southern state i live in has
THE most illiterate group of people i have ever lived around period!!!!
statistics bear it out. look at the nationwide school testing for instance
and the cotton/bible belt states rank in the
bottom 10% for the USA. worst schools highest drop out rate lowest scores
hi pregnancy hi illiteracy hi crime rate hi %
of the poor yada yada yada and they all own trailers and watch Jerry Springer.
just kidding on the last part. heh. they
do not all watch springer. ;0)
do not get me wrong, the south DOES have a lot going for it but to ignore
its problems or dispell them as myth is
wrong.
the south has been in denial for toooo long re its education poor and good
old boy system.
cant fix it if there is no dialague!
TOPIC -
DATE - 00:00:07 10/09/99
FROM - Vic High
perp, yep, your right I asked, haha. What I meant, is I think I remember
seeing another website at cannabis world, but
off the yop of my head, can't place it, haha.
Just finished my rounds, time for bed, but I must admit, I was blown away
with what I saw at the auction! Sure was a
nice way to end such a long day :) I hope A1 appreciates all this. Still
bugs me that neither he or Panzer will
aknowledge our efforts. Oh well, I suppose they have their reasons.
TOPIC - it's none of my damn bizness either, Ha!
DATE - 22:14:50 10/08/99
FROM - Perp
..but you asked, Ha!....(bleep it if ya wanna!)
aeric, 180 to ya!
TOPIC - politics
DATE - 21:42:56 10/08/99
FROM - Vic High
hey perp, feeling a little noided? hehe. Well net nations is an outfit
that sets up domain names, like they almost
registered mine for me. As for Richard Smith, I used to live with a Richard
Smith, good friend of the family. However,
this isn't the same dude. I'm pretty sure I know who richard smith is,
but it's none of my business. That site doesn't try
to invade my PC and we're getting what we want from it, so I'll leave it
alone myself.
TOPIC - hey Perp, I got......
DATE - 21:29:41 10/08/99
FROM - aeric77
those things ya wanted ......ck your email and get back to me.......
TOPIC - a lil' more...
DATE - 12:24:04 10/08/99
FROM - Perp
their Server is Netnations.com @ 555 Hastings, in Van. BC.....
TOPIC - Vic..an answere to your...
DATE - 12:03:33 10/08/99
FROM - Perp
..query @ the auction site....
www.cannabis.com is Reg'd to a "Richard Smith" in Montreal, E-Mailstairway@DEPECHEMODE.COM
See link.....weird Huh?
Link: Do you know this person? Seems familiar!
TOPIC - pruned romberry
DATE - 11:34:12 10/08/99
FROM - Wadsworth
Sounds like something you'd eat doesn't it?
Had my romberry plants heavily pruned by my cat. One died but the others
seem to be regenerating small leaves. Is
there anything I should do in regards to the chomped on plants, besides
keeping el gato away from the ganja. They
were on the 2nd set of leaves with the 3rd just starting.
In regards to soil my mix is basiclly as follows:
2 parts potting soil
1 part worm castings
1 part each vermiculite & perlite
1/2 part white sand
1 cup green sand per 5 gal.
1 brick of coco peat soaked in water & superthrive per 5 gal
In my current batch I also reused some soil which I later read here that
you shouldn't. I also want to use chemical ferts
once in a while. How would this affect the plants?
d;^)-~
TOPIC - great site....and seeds
DATE - 10:58:04 10/08/99
FROM - mia linzon
hello, my name is mia. i have never ordered from you, but my friend grows
in his backyard, and bought your seeds. i
was very surprised to see, that your seeds made the nicest buds. now, i
kone who to go to when i want to start
making some cash. But, i just wanted you guys to know, that your awsome,
and keep it going!
TOPIC - Vic High
DATE - 03:37:32 10/08/99
FROM - chronic man
I think you hit the nail on the head!!!I was just thinking how I haven't
been letting them get ALL the way dry (or most of
the way at least, you know) before watering. Oh yea, I used worm castings
instead of manure in Vic's Super soil
recipe. But I think I'll just let the soil get alot drier before watering
again. And like I said before, being as this is my first
attempt at organic's, thanks to Vic, I won't add any more epsom salts.
Actually, recently the tips seem to pointing
downward instead of upwards, (overfertilizing). Once again, the results
of a Mg overdose is what?? They sure do seem
to be using water slowly also.
Thanks for answering my question...
Thanks...
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - A1 Auction
DATE - 22:40:47 10/07/99
FROM - Vic High
Well it's finally done!! The auction is up
and running. It's spread around a couple sites, but that is due to the
community participation of this project. We all
made this happen :) Here's a good place to
start:
Bid List:
http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/a1auction/index.html
Place Bids Here:
http://www.cannabisworld.com/cgi/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=0001a&Post=13&Idle=30&Sort=0&Order=Ascend&Page=0&Session=
There is also a whole new forum for you all to explore and try out. Enjoy!!
CG - I have a friend named Blazer on these
boards, you two should get together, haha. Oh yeah, don't be scared of
the links above, no music, no frames, no
cookies, no java, etc. Even you should be
able to handle it, haha ;)
TOPIC - sharecropper is that you snopes
DATE - 20:42:50 10/07/99
FROM - skunk
was wondering if that was you?
TOPIC - George steps in it again ...
DATE - 10:28:06 10/07/99
FROM - Curious George
Vic : Well ... it's been a while since I've ruffled any feathers, sorry
about that ... domestic politics and regional
predjudices are unfortunately linked to the herb situation, and I did go
off on our esteemed Southern bretheren.
Sharecropper: Sorry if my rant put a knot in your shorts, bud. I've traveled
through every Southern state except the
Carolinas, and have had mostly positive experiences there. A son of the
South once said "We can be just as nasty as
we are nice." ... and that just about sums it up. Southern manners, hospitality,
and cooking, can be just wonderful, but
they are balanced on the other end of the spectrum by some pretty loathsome
behavior, ( and that's above and beyond
the racially motivated stuff ).
Those of us who live in the North, or in my case, a border state, have
a difficult time keeping a straight face when
discussing some "traditional" Southern customs like marrying your cousin
or juggling rattlesnakes during church
services. Southern politicians have certainly done their best to earn a
revolting reputation, and that is a cross that the
South will just have to bear until their literacy, poverty, and medical
care numbers rise from the bottom of the barrel.
I hold Southern women, on the other hand, in very high esteem ... (but only when they have all their teeth ).
Cedartop: You might check out the archives here for the url's I posted
a few months back concerning studies that have
been done using music in controlled plant growth chambers. It evidently
doesn't take a lot ... the music doesn't have to
be continuous, but it must be melodious ... plants evidently don't like
Rock & Roll ... . Think about it, one thing missing
entirely from indoor grow rooms is the music of the wind in the trees and
the sound of birds and insects.
Has anyone tried to determine in what key the HID lamps and their ballasts are buzzing?
Just curious.
TOPIC -
DATE - 06:36:43 10/07/99
FROM - Vic High
Sharecropper - and so was part of what you had to say out of line. Many
different cultures mixing together on the net,
somtimes ya got to ignore how someone makes their point and just listen
to the point. But look who's saying this, I'm
known to jump in with both feet when I see something I don't like, ;) Trying
to teach myself this "life's too short to sweat
the small stuff".
Tuthboy - like to help ya dude. Anyway we can get a dialog going with RC
to just confirm your order? I would rather not
know any details I don't need, but I've found RC to be quite fair in this
things, at least in the situations I know of. Seeing
a pic (I know long shot here, hehe) or some heavy detail would definately
help. But we should act soon, because
replacement levels are low, I'm cleaned out, and don't know RC's stock
level.
Chronic man, which recipe did you use? Your symptoms sound alot like what
sometimes happened to me when I was
using manure in the recipe. That's why I moved to wc and kelp meal. I guess
your pH may be a touch high as well,
mine is usually closer to 6.5, but who knows. If you let your soil dry
enough between waterings, the pH swings should
solve most nute problems. Do you let your pots get fairly light between
waterings? And when you water, do you water
to point of runoff? If not, a heavy soil drench may solve your problem,
just beware of overwatering symptoms and
compensate with H2O2 if you think it may be a concern.
Oh, and many have reported that an mg overdose can put your plants to sleep,
or slow growth. The epson salts in the
initial mix is to give time for the dololime to break down, after that
you shouldn't need any. In fact, as many will attest
to, the soil mix is overkill in the nute dept, so a regular addition may
do more harm than good. Anyway, anytime I've
had a nute problem I didn't understand, a real heavy soil drench with a
little H2O2 would solve the problem. I only use a
splash (about a tablespoon) of 35%. If I'm worried that I washed away all
the nitrogen, I may use some fish ferts
(dilute)in the folowup watering (may take up to a week depending on plant
growth rate) and it's acidic nature wouldn't
hurt your situation either. But listen to your plants before doing this.
Also, often trying to fix the problem is the problem. Every now and then
I get a plant that is much lighter green than the
rest. I think its low in N, shoulda mixed the soil better. Throw some fish
ferts on it, it just gets worse. Finally after other
remedies like flushing don't work, I give up and ignore the problem. I
just make sure that plant dries well between
watering, but only water it. It then pulls out of it's snit and happily
carries on!
TOPIC - Super soil and Magnesium..
DATE - 22:13:58 10/06/99
FROM - chronic man
I got some Romberry, Shiskaberry, Blueberry, and WW. (I'm a "berry" fan
hehe) Using 5 gallon buckets, with Vic's
Super soil being used after sitting for about 3 weeks. I seem to be having
a magnesium deficiency. Leaves curling
upwards, edges turning copper, chlorosis progessively happening. This is
mostly apparent on the larger leaves. I think
they may be growing slower than usual. I followed Vic's recipe to the tee.
I've been adding about one teaspoon of
epsom salts per gallon of water. Also added maxicrop the last watering.
Have also foliar fed once or twice with epsom
salts, as this deficiency has been apparent for a while now. I thought
maybe I added too much dolomite lime, but I don't
think that I did. The reason that I thought this was that maybe the Mg
is being locked out because of too much calcium
in the lime. PH is at about 6.9. Is it possible that the dolomite lime
hasn't broken down yet, releasing Mg?? What are
the effects of a Mg deficiency anyways?? Slow growth?? Because things have
seemed to slow down a little. Any help
would be greatly appreciated. Also, there is plenty of air movement, I
have a door open, and use a 465 cfm blower for
exhaust. I know this is a Mg deficiency, because I have dealt with them
many times. I'm new to this organic
method...however overall the plants seem very healthy, just a little bit
of copper showing up with leaves curling
upwards. Maybe it doesn't affect veg growth too much, I'm not too sure
about that one, but I do know that it is
necessary to have plenty of Mg during flowering.
Well enough rambling for now...any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm
slowly being converted to a "soilboy", as I've
heard someone call Vic that once. (That cracked me up...) I don't know,
something about organics seems to make me
feel like an old time farmer or something...hard to explain I know...maybe
some of you can relate, or maybe I'm just
eccentric...hehe who knows...
TIA
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - Chronic Man
DATE - 21:42:14 10/06/99
FROM - Tuthboy
Thanks for the post. You know I think I may have gotten Bluberry instead.
My plants look a lot more like blueberry than
anything else. The buds are kind of taking on a bluish hue as they mature.
Definitely not Romberry. I'm bummed but I
have some Skunk/Haze seed that is my next project. Anyway, I vegged for
8 weeks and then have been flowering now
for about 35 days, about 30 days to go, the plants are budding out nicely,
but just smaller a plant than I had hoped for.
I just grow for personal use and don't need a huge yield. Therefore I don't
do a lot of cloning. I just get some good seed
and grow a batch when I need it.
TOPIC - UncleMalcomes
DATE - 21:11:32 10/06/99
FROM - webfish
Nexus just feed them water, the uncle Malcomes has everything you need,
you could give the seaweed juice once a
week abd maybe a little bloom before and during bloom but the uncle malcomes
works pretty well out of the bag with
7.0 PH water only.
dont grow them too big in those little pots 2 gallon about 30 inch finishd
plant size this means about 17 to 20 inch veg
size.
TOPIC - Jury Nullification George
DATE - 17:42:28 10/06/99
FROM - sensi
Jury Null is the ONLY way to go!
TOPIC - music and plants
DATE - 16:29:59 10/06/99
FROM - cedartop
my 70 year old mother always insisted that music did help with plant growth.
she said that it was her thought that
plants were stimulated by the actual sound waves of the music. harsh music
would disturb the plant and easy listening
was the best. of course thats all she ever listened to. sounds like the
best answer that i've came across with anyway.
stay stoned
oh have noticed more mold problems using fresh castings then aged. anyone
run across that.
TOPIC - Trailer trash curious about George
DATE - 16:09:38 10/06/99
FROM - ShareCropper
Now wait a minute my man. I have lived in the South all my life and I am
constantly amazed at the number of ignorant
Yankee scum that still formulate their opinion of Southern culture from
reruns of the Dukeís of Hazards and
Deliverance. Live it, donít watch it on television and think it the truth.
Have you ever been to the South? Is this not like
calling everyone in San Francisco a FAG! Ignorance and intolerance are
not just Southern problems. They are global
problems that CAN be fought with education, understanding and respect.
Are these qualities you have George or are
you just another media brainwashed carpetbagger?
Man, I wish Snopes was here, Iíd send him over to burn your house down!
Sorry about that VIC but CCís commentary was way out of line.
TOPIC - Hydro ferts in soil....
DATE - 15:48:28 10/06/99
FROM - nexus
For my medium i have uncle maclomes soil in 2 gal pots and for every watering
i will be giving my plants >The following
come seaweed first ,Pure Blend grow, Fox Farm grow,Pure belnd bloom and
fox farm bloom
2-1-1-2 clones
2-2-2-2 agressive grow
2-1-1-2-2 2 weeks into bud
2-0-0-2-2 agreesive bud
1-0-0-1-1 2-3 weeks to finish
Will this work or do i have to go with 50% perlite & 50% verticultre for my medium becuase i dont want to over fert?
TOPIC - ....music
DATE - 11:46:06 10/06/99
FROM - Perp
...my "Genius" plants seem to like the new Chris Gaines album from Garth.......and
my C88's are now into Christain
Ska music, Idunno?....I can't keep up with these girlzzz, Ha! ph
(Sorry Vic, couldn't resist....)
TOPIC - cedartop
DATE - 11:01:45 10/06/99
FROM - Curious George
Indeed, most of the South is a conservative Christian pest hole populated
with anal retentive, inbred, white trash.
The entire Southeast was originally settled by the scum of Europe and American
failures who were escaping their
debts by running away for the frontier.
The cases I mentioned were indeed those counties in Georgia that were featured
on "60 Minutes" two years ago or so.
Georgia has more counties than any other state, lots and lots of little
fifedoms that are ripe with small town corruption.
Sorry to hear that your nephew got cracked, but the ballot-box and the
jury box are about the only way to change the
situation.
Did you see those reports a few days ago about the Republican Gov. of New
Mexico who came out for de-crim? There's
hope yet ... . Unfortunately, it will probably take a Republican president
to relax the laws, much the same as it took
Nixon to open up to China.
Has anyone tried playing music for their plants yet?
Just curious.
TOPIC - blueberri
DATE - 08:55:57 10/06/99
FROM - flwr smkr
vic,
seen a post of yours at overgrow concerning blueberri.
ordered original blueberri via jock from dutch passion in 11/97 for $110.00
for ten.this is when jock was having problems
and received my order in 03/98.definately original
blueberri.the description of blueberri at the dutch passion site is exactly
what mine looks like.the leaves are a dark
green with reds and purples and blue hues throughout.
when dried and cured the plant has a lavender look to it.
nugs are rock hard.after several grows pruning for 3 to 4
main colas is the way to go.also the longer the veg to form a very healthy
plant the much better the yeild.i use to veg 6
weeks and flower.1/2 oz a plant.(9 plants under 430 watt hps)now i'm getting
1 oz per plant.plant doesn't grow much
during flowering so have learned to veg 10 to 12 weeks now.
i have a letter into dj short about his product if he answers i'll let
you know what he says.every now and then i've seen a
picture in high times of blueberri in high times from time to time and
it always looks like mine does.
TOPIC - CHEMOBERRY?
DATE - 08:27:31 10/06/99
FROM - Green Machine
Thanks alot for the info, Vic, it is greatly appreciated. I had no idea
that Chemo was one of the fathers that
gang-banged your romberry mom. But, you must be right because you described
the mother I have it to a T! Its very
short, and EXTREMELY bushy. Would you believe I got 15 clones from a plant
that was only 11" tall?
I tell you, the buds looked very nice the first harvest, which is why this
mom was one of two selected among 12 others.
Christmas tree like is a perfect description, and the smell was definitely
fruity. I'm not sure how the taste will be, I
severely overfertilized, overwatered, and overheated during the first harvest,
so the taste was, well, just ok, to tell you
the truth....but i'm sure that's the result of bouts of boneheadedness
during my first ever indoor grow.
This time around I'm doing things different, so we'll see how things turn
out. I'll be sure to keep you posted as things
progress. They look magnificent now after two weeks of 12/12. I put the
clones in the flower chamber as soon as they
rooted, when they were about 4" tall. Now they are mostly at 12" and starting
to bush out heavily. You can bet they
wont be overferted, overwatered, or overheated this time around!
I think I'm gonna call this mom Chemoberry. Jury's still out on Mom#2,
which is pretty difficult to describe, since there
are no odd characteristics to it, except that it stretches like crazy in
veg, and bushes like crazy in flower, with virtually
no stretching.
Thanks again for the info.
GM
TOPIC - sorry about the double post
DATE - 07:50:05 10/06/99
FROM - funkdified
I'm not sure what happened.
TOPIC - mites
DATE - 07:48:18 10/06/99
FROM - funkdified
I have a small problem with the little guys now. Last week, I used some
pyrethrin spray. I didn't notice any activity
since then until last night. From what I've read, it takes about 5 days
or so for the eggs to hatch. So, I'm assuming that
the spray kills the bugs, but not their eggs. I gave them another dose
last night making sure to soak both side of every
leaf. I found one 3 bladed leaf where the central blade had some webbing.
It was kinda interesing actually, I put the leaf
under one of those 30X radio Shack microscopes and seen one in the nymph
stage. I didn't realize that they were
tanslucent at that stage. Anyway, I plan on going over the plants again
tonight looking for any signs of life. I was
wondering what you all would recommend for getting rid of the eggs. I read
about wiping down the leafs w/ isopropy, but
wasn't sure about this. My plants are only in the veg stage, so there isn't
any worry about contaminating buds. Would a
diluted solution of isopropyl and H2O2 mixed work?
Thanks for any help.
funkdified.
TOPIC - mites
DATE - 07:47:48 10/06/99
FROM - funkdified
I have a small problem with the little guys now. Last week, I used some
pyrethrin spray. I didn't notice any activity
since then until last night. From what I've read, it takes about 5 days
or so for the eggs to hatch. So, I'm assuming that
the spray kills the bugs, but not their eggs. I gave them another dose
last night making sure to soak both side of every
leaf. I found one 3 bladed leaf where the central blade had some webbing.
It was kinda interesing actually, I put the leaf
under one of those 30X radio Shack microscopes and seen one in the nymph
stage. I didn't realize that they were
tanslucent at that stage. Anyway, I plan on going over the plants again
tonight looking for any signs of life. I was
wondering what you all would recommend for getting rid of the eggs. I read
about wiping down the leafs w/ isopropy, but
wasn't sure about this. My plants are only in the veg stage, so there isn't
any worry about contaminating buds. Would a
diluted solution of isopropyl and H2O2 mixed work?
Thanks for any help.
funkdified.
TOPIC - curious george
DATE - 05:08:03 10/06/99
FROM - cedartop
bro, i've lived in the south all of my life and i swear i havent seen anything
like you're talking about concerning jury's that
wont convict farmers for growing weed. there used to be one or two slack
counties in georgia years ago but i think that
has passed by. seems to me the tactics used by the leo here in the south
these days are pure gestapo.
for example my nephew screwed up and got caught with a half of a joint.
to keep it off his criminal record he did 40
hours community service wrote a report on a day in court, went to 20 hours
of counseling that he paid for and paid 480
bucks for the fine. kinda steep for a half a joint wouldnt you think. its
easier to get away with shooting someone here
then it is to get off a dope charge. to many wanna be rambo's in the police
departments these days. what ever
happened to the "protect and serve" motto.
vic sorry about the ranting.
TOPIC - chronic man
DATE - 03:17:32 10/06/99
FROM - Tuthboy...
Wow...it does kinda sound like you got some other strain besides Romberry.
I got some about 6 months ago, and
none of the leaves on mine are thin. Most are thick. Are your stems purple
at all?? Does it resemble Blueberry at all??
My Romberry has big thick dark green leaves, purple stems, and quite vigorous.
Maybe you could find a way to post a
pic of your's, then maybe we could determine for sure if you got Romberry
for sure. After all the good things that I've
heard, and the way mine look, I can't help but think that Romberry is a
medium/high yielder. I'll know in about another 3
months for sure. Was your Romberry really easy to clone?? Most people have
said it's really easy to clone. It was no
problem for me, that's for sure. One of the easier strains to clone. How
long did you veg/flower?? Maybe even if you did
really get Romberry, conditions might have been less than ideal. Otherwise,
I would think that you don't have the real
Romberry. Like I said, the best way would be for you to find a way to post
a pic. I think you could do this at cannabis
culture, part of Marc Emerys deal. I'm not positive though...
Hope you get it figured out....
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - Vic High
DATE - 21:43:14 10/05/99
FROM - Tuthboy
About the Romberry. That is the strain I ordered from Heavens Stairway.
Whether they sent me a completely different
strain, I don't know. But the seeds they sent were labeled Romberry. Anyway
I am about halfway through flowering
after growing for about two months from seed. The plants are skinny and
between 18" and 24". From the beginning
they grew with alternating nodes, the sets of leaves did not come out together.
They are forming decent bud tops but I
had expected a bigger and hardier plant after reading about Romberry. If
that is not what I got, then I got hosed. Yes,
the leaves are small and appear more Sativa-like rather than the larger
Indica. It is almost like a mini-plant, wierd. I do
have some experience growing and have not varied my methods, so it is definitely
the genetics. I will let you know of
the final result, but I may have one of the other strains by mistake, any
ideas?
TOPIC - Auction ... etc.
DATE - 17:49:09 10/05/99
FROM - Curious George
Irish: Thanks for posting those url's for the A1 auction information. On
the overgrow site I found the posting that lists a
bunch of strains and crosses that have been donated. Interesting assortment
of beans. However, the hempqc site
wouldn't come up ... first a link showed, a standard transfer of address
unit ... and then a bunch of code with a note at
the bottom saying that I needed a frame browser ... huh? Netscape 4.04
doesn't cut it? Some incompatability is
probably responsible, or the site has a problem with the proxy I'm using
... which is OK ... ( If it's looking for what it
shouldn't be, I don't need to be there anyway.)
The Heavens Stairway site is a problem to begin with ... who wants to wait
for music and movie files to load? The
sucker takes all day, and then it locks up ... hardly worth the hassle.
Vic : Thanks for posting that article on the penalty phase of Canadian
growing. It's interesting to note the similarities
between the behavior of your LEO, and their US counterparts as opposed
to the court systems of the respective
jurisdictions.
Is a "jury nullification" remedy available to those on trial up there?
Since both systems are based, I think, on English
Common Law, there might be ... and it's a powerful weapon against repression.
In short, it gives a jury the power to
nullify any offense, without fear of consequences taken against them for
their actions.
This can cut both ways though ... on the one hand a jury could vote "not
guilty" for a defendant charged with cultivation
for personal use, while on the other hand they could free an obviously
guilty murderer who shot a "troubkemaking"
member of a minority group ... ( as happened several times in the South
during the Civil Rights unrest of previous
decades ).
There are rural areas in the South where local jury's just won't convict
local farmers for growing weed ... so all the sheriff
can do is rip the plants up and make a show of arresting them ... and if
he does too much of it, or allows the feds to fly
over his county one time too many, he'll be voted out of office ... it's
happened!
The right of jury nullification is written into several state constitutions,
and further information might be obtained from an
organization called "The Fully Informed Jury Association" ... they might
be on the web ... I'm not sure ... but it's worth
checking out for anyone interested in the nuts and bolts of "the movement"
... and it would be interesting to see the
association's pamphlets being passed out to prospective jurors as they
enter the courthouse before A1's trial ... it's
been done before, and it's legal!
Not only would it be a good thing to do ... educate jurors of their rights
... but it's a Great way to stir up publicity, since
by the time, if ever, this goes to trial, there will be no such thing as
bad publicity ... and if the authorities get a wild hair
up their butt and try to stop it ( a free speech and press issue since
it's lawful information not directly related to the
case) the whole thing will blow up even bigger ... it's a win-win situation
if anyone has the gumption to do it, and A1's
attorney gives the OK ... ( or maybe even without it ... a little anarchy
will keep him on his toes ).
Who's up for it?
Just curious.
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:34:13 10/05/99
FROM - Vic High
Green Machine, my guess is that chemo donated the pollen to your romberry
suprise. Grapefruit also is heavy into
preflowering, but no males of it were around. Could be a throwback of some
of the sweet tooth genetics as well? But
chemo is most likely, those boys wouldn't stop, haha. Both GF and chemo
are great in the flower room, but getting
them there is a pain in thew ass if you like big plants as I do. They seem
to veg great until they reach about 12" and
then slow right down and go into heavy preflower mode. Chemo gets so bushy
and thick, it would make most
christmas trees jealous, yes even the plantation ones, haha.
I would love some feedback on how that combo turned out, bud wise. I'm
not overly impressed with the bud quality of
chemo on it's own, but curious as to how it's crosses will perform.
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:11:03 10/05/99
FROM - m.g.
i have the best luck regenning ncga's produce. not sure why but it just
works out that way. every one has always been
full of preflowers but always take the same amount of flowering time as
they did originally. i have not regenned an
outdoor plant to indoors but just the opposite. it seems to work well with
indi-doms but sat-doms have never produced
as well the 2nd time around. sensi's skunk #1 being the worst at regenning
a decent crop. lots of leaves but little
smoking material...same for sticky #3 and p75. none of those made what
they did the first go-round and seemed to be
a waste of space. of all i have regenned, nc's aunt j and mcw have been
the best. both have outproduced what they did
inside.
will i regen again? not likely...too much wasted space, imho.
TOPIC - Profuse Preflowering
DATE - 12:22:05 10/05/99
FROM - Green Machine
Hey Vic. Its really cool of you to tell us about your breeding projects.
My mouth waters everytime you give us an
update.
In all of your encounters with different breeds, have you ever had a problem
with a mother that has profuse preflowers? I
have 2 moms from a romberry surprise batch from heaven's stairway. They
are about 7 months old, and have been
re-vegged successfully. One of them has so many pistils in the crotches
of the branches, it almost looks like full bud
set. I just successfully cloned 14/15 from this mom in under 2 weeks, so
I guess the pistils aren't really a problem as
far as propogating them goes.
I am more wondering what strain have you come across that displays this
characteristic, and if it ever became a
problem? Particularly, if one of the strains that made up the Rom surprise
seeds exhibited this pattern. I am trying to
identify the dominant traits of the two moms i have, so I can figure out
what the heck to call them!
If anyone else has seen this, please let me know your experience with it.
Thanks all.
GM
TOPIC - local politics
DATE - 22:42:58 10/04/99
FROM - Vic High
Last Updated: Monday 4 October 1999
TOP STORIES
Marijuana growers get off in courts
The Vancouver Sun
Chad Skelton Vancouver Sun
Only one in five people
convicted of growing
marijuana in Vancouver over
the past three years has been
sentenced to any time in jail,
a Vancouver Sun investigation
has found.
The investigation also
revealed that one in four
served no jail time and paid
no fine.
Most of those convicted of
producing marijuana (58.3 per
cent) received a fine -- on
average less than $2,700.
RCMP spokesman Grant
Learned said court penalties
like that anger many police
officers, who see "a
$1,000-fine on a $250,000
grow operation as just the
cost of doing business -- no
more than a business
licence."
Police forces across the
Lower Mainland have devoted
considerable time and money
investigating and arresting the
operators of
marijuana-growing operations.
Some RCMP detachments,
such as Langley and Surrey,
even have their own "Green
Teams," which are devoted
full-time to shutting down
growing operations.
But police have become
increasingly frustrated at the
penalties given to operators
once they are convicted.
Occasionally, police will express anger that an operator received only
a small
fine.
And a Sun investigation of more than a hundred cases in Vancouver provincial
court dating back to November 1996 shows that fines are the norm when
marijuana growers come before the courts and long jail terms are rare.
The Sun looked at 112 cases in which people were charged under Section
7.1
of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (production of an illegal
substance).
Only three people (2.7 per cent) were acquitted.
A relatively high number, 37, (33 per cent) had their charges stayed. In
many
cases, the Crown charged a group of people, presumably found together in
a
growing operation, and then later dropped charges against some.
Seventy-two (64.3 per cent) were convicted.
Of those 72, only 15 (20.8 per cent) received jail sentences.
(The percentages noted here will not add up to 100 per cent because four
people received both jail time and a fine.)
The average jail sentence was 166 days -- but those numbers were skewed
by three high sentences (two co-accused received 18 months and one person
received two years).
The vast majority of those sentenced to jail time (80 per cent) received
90
days or less, including two people who were sentenced to only one day in
jail.
The three who received lengthy jail sentences were also convicted of other
crimes -- such as illegal possession of a firearm -- which may account
for
their higher sentences.
Most of those who came before the courts were fined. About a third of those
fined were ordered to pay $4,000 or more -- with the highest fine being
$6,000.
Another third paid $1,500 or less, with the lowest fine being $500. The
average
fine: $2,655.97.
"If a guy is getting a $2,600 fine on a grow-op that is producing a
quarter-million dollars a year of tax-free drug money, there wouldn't be
very
much ... deterrence," Learned said.
More than one in four (26.4 per cent) of those convicted were given probation
or a conditional sentence, serving no jail time and paying no fine.
More than half of those who avoided jail or a fine, 10 of 19, were given
conditional sentences, which allow convicts to serve their sentences in
the
community. In such cases, restrictions such as abstention from alcohol
or
use of an electronic monitoring device are placed on the person.
Conditional sentences ranged from 14 days to eight months -- with the
average being 118 days.
Vancouver criminal lawyer Michael Tammen said conditional sentences
should not be considered probation. "From my perspective, a conditional
sentence is a jail sentence."
Tammen said police have only themselves to blame if they are devoting
significant resources to arresting marijuana growers.
"I don't see why police see grow operations as such a big priority for
them. ...
In terms of the harm being done it pales in comparison to cocaine or heroin,"
Tammen said. "They've spent all this money and made this effort and judges
haven't sent people away to jail. ... I say to the police: 'Tough luck.'"
Vancouver Mayor Philip Owen, who chairs the police board, said he was
surprised the average fine is only a few thousand dollars.
"The fine appears to be just a minor inconvenience and the cost of doing
business," Owen said. "It appears to me to be very low and certainly is
no
deterrent."
Learned said the profits of some grow operations can range in the hundreds
of
thousands. But he said police have become reluctant to discuss how lucrative
the average growing operation is out of fear a comparison between low fines
and high profits will encourage even more people to take up the illicit
trade.
Neil Boyd, a criminologist at Simon Fraser University, said low sentences
for
marijuana production make sense given B.C.'s ambivalence toward marijuana
use.
"The response of the judiciary simply reflects the confusion in our society
about how to deal with marijuana," Boyd said.
While the public generally supports police crackdowns on hard drugs such
as
cocaine or heroin, the fact many British Columbians use marijuana on a
regular basis -- and many more have tried it -- means its production and
sale
are not looked on as harshly, Boyd said.
A recent poll found 63 per cent of British Columbians thought possession
of
marijuana should be decriminalized, Boyd said, the highest rate in Canada.
"I think judges cannot help but be influenced by the culture in which they
live
-- and it's appropriate," he said.
Boyd said while the public may support longer jail sentences for violent
criminals, he doesn't think they would advocate spending tens of thousands
of
dollars to send more marijuana growers to prison.
However, Learned said growing operations have an overly benign image. Many
of the major operations are "sponsored and subsidized by organized crime,"
he said, which can lead to violence.
The involvement of major crime groups is in part because the drug can now
be
grown with a much higher THC-content than decades ago, making it more
lucrative. (THC is the primary psychoactive component of marijuana which
is
what gives users a "high".)
Learned said police have some hope the sentencing of marijuana growers
is
changing.
In some areas, such as Surrey, judges have been slowly getting tougher,
he
said. However, judges are bound by past case law so cannot begin handing
down significantly higher sentences without being challenged on appeal,
Learned said.
"Sentencing patterns are very slow to evolve," he said. Unfortunately,
"the
profitability is moving up much quicker."
TOPIC - interest in plants
DATE - 14:08:19 10/04/99
FROM - landrie hoohaa
i am a very intimate smoker when it comes to marijuana. i have smoked a
lot of different kinds of the plant, mostly the
shwag that is browner than brown. i was just wondering if the seeds you
sell are easily grown. also, if you could send
me some info on ways of growing my own seeds and keeping them healthy.
my friend and i had a plant that was
flowering nicely, and had purple hairs and crystals all over it. he must
have shown the wrong person one day, and the
tops of our plant were picked. they werent budding yet, and we were wondering
if picking the tops off could damage the
rest of our developing plant. please write me back or send me some info
at landrie7@hotmail .com. thanks
TOPIC - cg and vic.
DATE - 13:46:55 10/04/99
FROM - irish
http://www.hempqc.com/a1/
http://www.overgrow.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000003-4.html
hope this works for you CG.
thanks vic, i will tell my friend to be patient.
TOPIC - Where's the auction?
DATE - 09:19:28 10/04/99
FROM - Curious George
Have been prowling around the Overgrow - Special Projects messages and
cannot find the url or a link for the A-1
auction page. Using the "search" function wasn't any help, so if you can
post it here, Vic, there might be others in the
same situation.
No matter how it's handled, ( and the discussions of how to do it have
been extensive ), it won't mean diddly if a Lot of
folks don't see it. One post suggested putting it on All the other similar
boards, which might bring a lot of flakey
responses from trolls, but that's the chance you have to take.
TOPIC - sb
DATE - 08:34:15 10/04/99
FROM - Curious George
Certainly the wattage of the light is a factor, but I'm assuming that for
research purposes the light would have the same
wattage for all three kinds of grow... if someone had the space and time
to do such an experiment. Space is a problem
for most growers, and there is little doubt that for small closet or cabinet
applications a scrog might be the only
sensible way to go, regardless of the yield/time ratio.
I know of a grower who is moving towards a pepetual harvest program like
yours under one fixed light, using clones
segregated by height, and suspect that it will turn out to be the best
way to maximize efficiency.
In his recent post, Vic mentions using 12/12 lighting from the get-go on
C99 seedlings and getting them up to a foot tall
before flowering begins. Aside from breeding/seeding considerations, why
not just let them keep on flowering and
budding up? Wouldn't they have sufficient root growth by then to produce
up to potential? Or is it more likely to
succeed well if clones are used instead and grown to the same height? If
starting from seed, it would seem a great
opportunity to see which seedling produces the most, the fastest, and then
re-veg it and use it as a clone mom.
I hope all of you outdoor growers are busy during this bountiful harvest
season!
TOPIC - updates
DATE - 20:40:16 10/03/99
FROM - Vic High
OK, too tired to worry about a C99/romulan/g13/chemo update, save it for
next weekend I guess, or during the week.
However, I screwed up the timing of the pollen induction, it's day 33 and
still no pollen flying. Some of the c99 and g13
pistals are dying, every dead pistal means one less seed, drats!! I introduced
males into the room on day 14 I think,
maybe I should have made it day seven. Past experience told me that day
zero was too soon for maximizing seed
production, and now it looks as if day 14 is too late, now to narrow the
gap, hehe.
blueberry - no irish, I can't see a reason for any problems with blueberry
germination. My methods are less than
perfect, but if you search down, you will be able to find some fairly current
germination data. Here's an update on that
batch. Numbers are not to be taken as literal, they are more ratios. They
now reflect survival rates, not germination
rates, as I've killed off a few runts.
OTBB8 - 9/9 - these are from a friend overseas
OTBB6 - 9/9 - these are from a friend overseas
BL8-99 - 8/9 - these are bcga third generation
BL10-99 - 7/9 - these are bcga third generation
BL8-97 - 9/9 - these are bcga original stock - seedbank vers
BL8-97 - 8/9 - same as previous
BBL7-99 - 4/9 - a new high yielding version
BBL7-99 - 3/9 - same as previous
The 99 stock was very fresh and had never been refrigerated, this is probably
why their germ rates are so low. The 97
stock is the same batch that is available through the seedbanks.
Notes of interest: Anyone remember me mentioning my weird veg strategy
of starting the seedlings in the flower room?
I do this because of space constraints. I've successfully raised many batches
(including c99) to 12" before preflowers
aided in presexing. I would then move them into a veg lighting environment
until ready to flower. Well I was doing this
with the blueberry seedlings, they have not responded well. Their growth
is stunted, and at 5" many have a mini cola
starting to form at their tops. So blueberry doesn't need to mature before
flowering, haha. And the learning continues,
hehe.
TOPIC - blueberry germination questions
DATE - 19:01:22 10/03/99
FROM - irish
vic,
should there be problems germinating the blueberry?
friend had four of eight within the first 18-24 (papertowel/heat pad method)
but the other four are dead in the water
(pardon the pun)
any hints? as the other four are already up out of the ground.
side note:
friend also germed 7/8 bubblefunk
8/8 eclipse (bubbleberry)
7/8 alien x NL (with the other still swelling, very close)
TOPIC - CG
DATE - 18:26:11 10/03/99
FROM - sb
Haha
Never any HARD data here, more like impressions and ideas, but my $.02
anyway.
I agree that the real measure of efficency is yield per day but would also
add; per watt.
I run a mod sog, filling the canopy with pruned plants.This I do in order
to keep plant numbers well below the "please
bend over" limit.I also use a stadium setup to maximize direct light usage
(fixed light)and minimize the dependence on
reflected light.On this crop I have gone to a perpetual harvest situation
which I feel exagerates and therefore takes full
advantage of the stadium setup.( a combination of shorter/taller plants)
As plants stretch and new recruits are moved
in, the taller plants rotate to the perimeter.
Now IF I suddenly deemed it safe to grow a bazillion plants I would try
pure SOG utilizing this same technique.Surely
one would realize a per-plant benifit over straight start to finish SOG
with more efficent light usage...right?
TOPIC - The big question ...
DATE - 14:49:25 10/03/99
FROM - Curious George
We've been seeing some nice photos posted online recently, and they reminded
me of a question I'd asked previously
on another board that recieved no answers.
There have been some shots of a SCROG grow with two plants in large containers
placed in a closet with a light. The
screen was filled with growing tops, ready to go to 12/12. Another shot
was of a particular strain growing in a large
bucket with hydroponic media. It had a huge main cola and several side
branches with tops that were almost as large,
and appeared to be growing upward without benefit of stakes, string, or
other support.
The big question is Time. The cost of the lights, the growing accesories,
the power and fertilizers are all well and good
to consider, but the bottom line is this: "What is the yield per day?"
No matter how many small buds are harvested, or
how big the yield of one plant can be, it still comes down to time. Is
there anybody who can say whether the additional
time needed to fill a screen with a SCROG, or grow a huge plant, is any
more efficient than a Sea of Green?
Assuming that all are started from clones, under one light, I suspect that
a SOG of a suitable strain will give the best
yield for a given period of time. This is just a gut feeling, but I'd be
interested in knowing if anyone has hard data on this
subject.
Just curious.
TOPIC - Important IE browser info
DATE - 13:37:52 10/03/99
FROM - Windoze Spy
Just to let you all know that
everything that you have
ever searched for is stored
in a hidden system file
in the folder where your Temporary
internet files are, its called
index.dat and its keeps a record
called client url cache. I don't like
the fact that you have to wipe you
hard-drive clean just to delete it.
Also you may want to have a firewall
running when you leave your pc, I find that
there are connection attempts even when
im not signed on the internet or connected
to the phone jack, don't know what it is.
Firewalls @ www.signal9.com.
Peace & Love
TOPIC - security
DATE - 13:03:37 10/03/99
FROM - Blazer
I use a proggy called "Guard Dog" to keep My cache and browser stuff deleted...I
think anyhow. I'mma puter meathead
trying like hell to catch up. Any thoughts on this proggy and what it worth?
I also want the thing A77 and perp
mentioned. A 1 button delete system would be awesome if needed. Well more
learning on this for Me now, read read
read...........Yuk
TOPIC - Best way to Harvest, Dry, Manicure & Cure?
DATE - 11:16:30 10/03/99
FROM - Canadian_Citizen
I have 25 White Russinas looking very healthy 3 1/2 ft tall Under 2 1000watt
hps in orgainc soil fed with batguna tea at
every watering. They are 35 days into 12/12. Since this is my first grow,
I am really inexperenced ,I have a few
quesiton.
1.How do u tell when the plant is ready to be harvested?
2.Whats the best way too increase your yeild the last 2 weeks?
3.How should I dry the buds? How long will it take before they are dry?
4. After the Buds are dry how do i manicure them whitout getting the THC
off them?
5. Whats a really good way to cure the buds without getting harsh smoke
and the most THC in them?
^peace out^
TOPIC - Tuthboy
DATE - 07:34:45 10/03/99
FROM - Vic High
Let's get some more details dude, you are not describing romberry. To be
honest, I'm not sure why it would matter, but
romberry has never been described as having small leaves. Sounds like a
screwup there. Maybe a good description of
the current aroma and bud characteristics? Plus a followup on the resulting
bud would help us figure what you got
instead. You are almost describing a different bcga strain.
TOPIC - Romberry
DATE - 22:16:12 10/02/99
FROM - Tuthboy
I am disappointed with the Romberry. I did get all but one female, but
very small plants with low yield. Small leaves and
short plant. Not a strong plant for sure. I'll just hope the product is
good 'cause there isn't a lot of it. I gotten 3x that
yield with almost every other strain I have dealt with. Almost not worth
growing in my opinion.
TOPIC - Security
DATE - 19:27:31 10/02/99
FROM - Perp
CG...the particular Cat. is from Shomer Tec, Inc., Wa., USA...the device
must be installed at the targets local, in-line
(sm.Black Box, 3 1/2" X 5 1/2").....I am uniquely close to both the PD
and DA, "THEY" use EVERYTHING they can
possibly afford legal or not to gather evidence, then they tweek the "source"
if needed to seem to have come from
elswhere like an Anon Tip.....thats the way it works, and the fine line
you discuss is only in play when the "cats ben let
out of the bag" so to speak....Ha!
..other Products are a monitor for your own phone @ where ever, you can
listen to upto 4 extensions @ your local, and
the phone is still fully operational,......or a twist on that is a monitor
that "calls" you if sound is detected @ the local
you place the device, like a remote grow room.....the first (mentioned)
device was "supposedly" developed for High
Profile Principals who could be possibly held hostage by home/office invasion,
and would allow LEO to monitor an area,
verify status and get real time intelligence. Haaa!...guess what they really
use it for?????
Oh...and lets not forget the "Bug" sensing devices, very handy indeed! Ha!
Perp-out~ (long ass day Re-Roofing the shop today)
TOPIC - Off Topic ...
DATE - 14:45:43 10/02/99
FROM - Curious George
Perp : That mention of electronic devices by was interesting, especially
the one that supposedly allows further listening
after a phone is hung up. If there is a url for that catalog, I'd sure
like to see it ... or the name and addy of the catalog
that features it.
If nothing else, the info might prove an eye-opener for some of our "readers".
The LEO community can be slick, and
there just Might be a way for this sort of surveilance to pass legal muster
... maybe.
However, until we can review the literature, we'd be more inclined to believe
that such a device could only be legally
used in conjunction with a valid warrant. ( Which is not to say that such
a seemingly easy device wouldn't be used by
LEO without a warrant. Since it would require no cooperation from the phone
company, the intrusion would be
impossible to prove. )
Be careful when researching, ordering, or using any similar device, as
there are myriad ways to violate the law, and the
LEO folks want very badly to keep access to such technology to themselves.
The best advice I can give to those who wish to avoid legal hassles is
simply this: "Break one law at a time."
TOPIC - A'man...delete THIS!!!!! Ha!
DATE - 19:36:24 10/01/99
FROM - Perp
Kinda hard to get this catalog (their not online), but a quick search found
a web-site for a free trial of the Shredder
Software;
http://www.infraworks.com/products/shredder
...get an Air Pistol for those felines(sp)!!!! Ha!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"the more I'm with my dogs, the less I like people"
Perp '99
E-ya later!
TOPIC - unwilted
DATE - 18:23:49 10/01/99
FROM - spaz
BIG Thanks everyone for your help.
the girls are doing much better.
a small dose of vitamax worked well.
TOPIC - wiltdown
DATE - 17:48:28 10/01/99
FROM - hand
wiltdown before lights out is normal they also perk up before lights come
on.they relax just before dark nothing to worry
about.they do it outside too.
TOPIC - Perp, you never .......
DATE - 17:20:20 10/01/99
FROM - aeric77
.........'backed outta anything' in your life.......
hey dude, i would like more info on that auto-destruct program and the
addy for that catalog if ya got time....I hate cats
and got a few hanging around the back yard that I'd like to auto-pepper
spray.......HA!.....show them dirt scratchers the
gate......
TOPIC - Thanx guys!
DATE - 12:51:16 10/01/99
FROM - Perp
...jus tryin' to locate the cause by elimination, the problem is only recent
, ben surfin' here a long time, and it's wacky,
it's sayin' MY bookmarks (Favorites)/start page is TOO big, not THIS page,
Idunno...??? I'll have my Bro with a Webtv
stop by here, and see what he gets when he trys his "back" button, could
jus be a new quirk with my ol' black box,
Ha!..no biggy.....
...speaking of security products...because of some other interests I have,
I get LEO Product Catalogs, (always good to
know thy enemy, Ha!)..anyway, saw a software product called "Electronic
Shreadder" 2.12, high tec military grade file
deleation program, including a panic button to nuke it all at once, $89....I'm
sure you guys may have seen similar
products, but I thought this was cool!..and I don't even own a 'puter!
Ha!..more info on request if ya want it?....also ya
wouldn't believe some of the COOL Phone listening devices, like one that
will monitor a room after you call up a number
and the other party hangs up you can still hear what's goin' on at the
other end $199! Scarey! Ha!...or how 'bout an
intrusion alarm that shoots pepper spray/gas...or an electronic device
that induces Nasea through high frequncy
soundwaves (High Tec Harrassment or crowd control!) Ha!,...
L8R dudes! Stay Safe!,
ph
TOPIC - cache and cookie cleaning
DATE - 10:34:49 10/01/99
FROM - m.g.
perp, ya might want to try "webroot cache/cookie washer" for keeping your
machine clean and uncluttered. they have a
free 30 day trial although it only costs 14.95 to buy and works for either
netscape or explorer (you have to pick one). i
use their netscape version and have noticed much faster response and load
time if the cache is kept clean. it also adds
"bleach" to everything removed so nothing can be found if someone decides
to search for evidence. another plus...it
also removes and "bleaches" deleted emails.
http://www.webroot.com/washer3.htm
HTH...m.g.
TOPIC - apology
DATE - 10:21:06 10/01/99
FROM - bluebuddha
sorry, found the info. yum!
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:27:14 10/01/99
FROM - Vic High
Spaz - if you used the recipe with the manure, that could be your problem.
Sometimes the soils gets too "hot" for the
render young plants and this is another reason to allow to compost for
a bit. Also allows time for the pH to stabilize.
Finally, if growing in small pots (5 gals or smaller), it give the bone
meal to break down and be available for the flower
cycle.
Wilting? Looking at it from a scientific point of view, your plants are
not absorbing enough water. Just go through the
various causes of this, starting with the most obvious. Are you watering
enough? Do you have roots to absorb the
water? check out the health of your roots. If not, explore the reasons
for no roots, like root disease, overwatering, hot
soil, etc. If healthy roots, then explore other causes of loss of turger,
like excess heat. You gotta play the detective
dude, and this means getting to know your plants. Good luck.
Perp - HA! gotcha! hehe - webtv?? sorry, to hear that. I surf with netscape,
but this is the old Shabange script that was
generically written and is maintained with a text editor. NL straightened
me out on the hazards of editing the page with
a browser based editor, creating incompatibilities with other browsers.
So I guess maybe it's the size of the page that
is screwing you up. I just cut it in half the other day, haha. Anyway,
may I suggest you hit the stop load button after
you think enough has loaded without loading the whole page? That should
save your cache collapse, hehe.
TOPIC - Romberry
DATE - 07:26:03 10/01/99
FROM - bluebuddha
God that romberry is beautiful!!! Those colas are HUGE! What are some of
the specifications of it? How long? How
potent? taste? High? What kind of growing environment does it prefer? History
of strain? I definatley must try my hand
at this strain. What are the cured buds like? Jeez im droolin....
TOPIC - Spaz...
DATE - 21:44:00 9/30/99
FROM - chronic man
I thought I'd try to answer your question, I'm not a pro with the Super
soil or anything, but mine are doin pretty damn
good. The purpose of letting the soil sit for a week or two is to let the
microbes break down the nutrients so that the
plant can use the nutrients. I let my soil sit for about three weeks before
using, but I've read here that you can use soil
right away after it's mixed, because the plants are probably so small that
they don't need a whole lot of nutrients yet.
The wilting, I have to ask the obvious. Do they have enough water?? Maybe
too much??? And what size container are
you using?? If these aren't the culprits, maybe the water you've been using
has a high PH. You can check the soil's
PH with test kits. Maybe these might help, if not maybe Vic might know.
Good luck...
cHrOnIc man
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