This is the archives from the BC Growers Message Board
TOPIC - grapefruit
DATE - 10:01:03 12/01/99
FROM - Gfruit
I just have to ask this and Im sure Ill get no answer .But never hurts
to try..first off We are kind of upset that we found
that some one has already developed a grapefruit strain.because up until
a few days ago when we found your site and
read that grapefruit was one of grower3's favorite strains..we WERE trying
to developing grapefruit in fact we kind of
accidentaly stumbled on it from seeds that were accidentaly made by a hermie
excaping our eyes the only prob is that
we
lost the records of what strain the hermie was and didnt think to make
a mother cause we didnt know it was going to
turn so wonderfully grapefruit..(we expirement loosly alot-I know its our
own stupid fault))all we know is its VERY
predominatly sativa with a moderate yield .and if this isnt the kicker
it was polinated with another unknown Indica
hermie so we have these mystery grapefruit X ? seeds that we are making
a mother with..we will of course post the
results now that we'v found you all.the point of all this is, Is there
any way in hell that we can at least have a little tiny
weenie hint of what the recepie is. we are hooked on the g-fruite..and
would love to stabilize t
TOPIC - nexus
DATE - 16:38:46 11/30/99
FROM - trelaway
not familiar with the stuff but I just smoked some bud neem was used on.
The guy'd discontinued use ~ month b4
harvest. Smoked fine, we're all still alive. Weekly should be okay. A
Wow...just heard Seattle had been declared a state of emergency (or one
of those 'cops clamping down' phrases)and a
curfew may be imposed. I think they've even loaded thier guns with rubber
bullets. It's too bad that something useful,
like WTO bashing, just turns into a mob scene.
I have an anon email: trelaway@mailcity.com
TOPIC - trelaway
DATE - 20:53:14 11/29/99
FROM - nexus
Well instead of avid i went to a nursey and bought this stuff calld Saf-t-side
by montery its a oil misxute that u dilute
into water and after a few time of using it it kills them off ,have u heard
anything about this? (there web site is
www.monterelylawngerden.com) the guy said this stuff is kinof like neem-oil
just not all organic but its preaty clean ,
also it does not spay when to spray it on 4-5dyas? soo i guess i willspary
them every week or so?
hey whats your e-mail?
TOPIC - nexus
DATE - 19:15:36 11/29/99
FROM - trelaway
from what I've read, avid will simply kill them all--problem solved. The
soap/pesticide mixture only really works if yer
diligent in it's use. It should be done every five days but weekly is all
I can do--even with that I managed to rid myself of
them in about two months. A hassle really; if I'd had a larger (esp. commercial)
grow I wouldn't have played this long
with them.
TOPIC - Jeb's request
DATE - 10:57:27 11/29/99
FROM - Skinman
GH Bloom 0-5-4
GH Gro 2-1-6
GH Micro 5-0-1
Hope this helps in your quest for the proper #s.
TOPIC - have ya
DATE - 23:02:44 11/28/99
FROM - bandog
Has anyone heard of sweet skunk afghani or maple ridge rhino?
TOPIC - trelaway
DATE - 22:49:54 11/28/99
FROM - nexus
Well i am preaty sure its the mites but since last night i soaped them
they seem to be looking a littebetter , I know its
not ph becuase i have 7.0 for ph and i know its not defencity because i
use a special tes of liquid sea kelp, pure blend
grow & bloom, also fox farm grow & bloom mix. I also ordered some
avid and that should hopefully kill them all , but for
now i sprayed them with soap is that really effiective?
TOPIC - nexus
DATE - 20:11:13 11/28/99
FROM - trelaway
pyrethrum/soap mixtures are pretty common at any nursery or garden supply
store.
If yer whole plant is a faded lite green, almost yellow, it does sound
like yer plant's not got enuf N, either not enuf there
or, maybe, ph reasons.
fish ferts are a great supplement for a lack of N.
TOPIC - Hydro / Soil Hybrid?
DATE - 18:24:23 11/28/99
FROM - Curious George
Thanks for the outline Lothar.
Do those long roots just dangle there in the air below the mesh or is the
bottom a sealed unit where the fluid is pumped
back out? Is it tricky to get the roots out the mesh without tearing them
up? This seems to be an entirely hydro trip.
Having large roots and short stature prior to flower sounds like a winning
SOG recipe.
So, after 2 or 3 weeks in the blaster before being transplanted, how long
do they take to finish in the flower room, and
how does the Total time to finish, and the yield compare with your previous
results with the same strains?
Transplanting root-blasted clones into 1 - 2 gallon pots of soil mix would
be interesting.
It would retain some of the best features of both styles of growing, a
hybrid approach to SOG. Soil and hydro, HID
lighting and fluoros.
You'd get the benefit of having just a small hydro set-up, with as little
of the bottled nutrients and the ph and ppm
monitoring and all that techie stuff as possible, and then finish up with
the cheaper, natural, low-tech soil mix.
Does that sound feasible?
Just curious.
TOPIC - GF
DATE - 09:51:03 11/28/99
FROM - KQ
heeheehee, Lothar, we like the original GF down here too.
Someone was telling me that it was the defective one, but not as far as
I can tell! I guess the defective one stops
flowering at 4 weeks or some such thing.
Currently got it knocked up with ABC dust.
TOPIC -
DATE - 02:00:14 11/28/99
FROM - Lothar
As dan kass Wrote
"GF= Grapefruit
X= Brand X
both I believe are local BC strains."
Exactly both BC strains....rumour says that X was gotten from a University
in Hawaii Who knows for sure
And as for MY GF Well well well only a few of us with the original left
(if I may take a moment to brag) You may have
heard of Sweet Pink Grapefruit some people call it just GF this is not
so GF is the MAMA from which a long list of
children where nurtured, haveing THE original is well an honer so to speek.
Now to the Root Blaster rig
Flos X 4
1- warm
1- cool
2-grow types --umm the ones with the swirl down them
medium - hydroton = the expanded clay pellits
container 4" mesh bottomed pots (same size that fits flower room so I just pick um up and drop em in the holes)
clones are made in oasis as soon as roots appear put them in the pots cover with hydroton
The table is 2'x 4'
I built a frame which I covered with mesh wire to fit ontop of the table
to create an air space of about 6" from the bottom
of the pots to the table--this had the effect of makeing the roots grow
directly out of the bottom of the pot rather from
out of the sides of the pots (better and easier to pull them in and out
of the individual holes in the flower room)
From there its just a 150 gph pump into a header with regular speghetti
line drip emiters 1 per pot
My guess is that the time in the root blaster does count as veg time so
I guess you can say that I went from 6-8 days
of veg to about 2 - 3 weeks of veg ha ha.
When I place them in the flower room well lets see GF goes in at about
8 inches and X about a foot (roots are all over a
foot long as well)
The beauty about this system is that the veg growth is slow and bye keeping
the feedings light you can prolong the
time just incase you need more time for your flowers. anouther thing is
you can build up the formula strength before
you put them in the main room- about 6 days before I place them in the
flower room I leach them for 3 days then start
my flower formula 1/2 strength for 2 days add more on the 3rd day and next
day I put them in the flower room fully
nutreint adjusted.
please feel free to ask any questions at all
Oh how I happend to be a holder of an Original GF, A freind named Steve gave it to me himself a few years ago.
TOPIC - trelaway
DATE - 19:22:34 11/27/99
FROM - nexus
hey trelaway thanks where can i get that product at , My leaves are yellow
is becuase i first throught this was a fert
problem but then i was reading about mites and found out it was a mite
problem, i hope i can save my plants all the
c99's are a pale green yellow ish and the mr.nices are not as bad , but
tonight i think i will spray them with some soap,
then tommarow i will pick up something , they are also spreading to my
g-13xFW's (very worried becuase i have some
great strains) oh yeah it seams its just strating to affect the GFW...
peace out
TOPIC - nexus
DATE - 18:28:06 11/27/99
FROM - trelaway
I have good success with pyrethrum/soap mixtures. Trounce, by Safer's,
is a brand name. If yer still in Veg this'll be
easy--just truck them to the bathtub and douse them with a misting bottle
(soil should be fairly wet first) concentrating
on the underside of the leaves. Let sit for ~ ten minutes and mist again
with just water til the leaves are dripping wet.
Be careful on the bigger plants, they may tip over with the extra water
weight. Do this weekly. If the budz have formed
on flowering plants, wipe the underside of the fan leaves with a trounce
soaked sponge weekly, taking care to not get
the pesticide on the flowers.
Yellowing lower leaves could be a few things. If ph is okay, you've been
letting the soil dry between waterings, and the
yellowing is a general fade--they likely just need a dose of higher N fert.
TOPIC - HELP !!
DATE - 16:26:41 11/27/99
FROM - nexus
My leaves on mostly the bottom of the plant are yellow and dieing and other
are a green yellow with white stuff webs on
the leaves and black spots also what can i do my plants are slowly dieing
(mr.nices and c99s) i want to try to get rid of
the bugs organicly if i could but if not what can i do? i really dont have
time to do mail order but if i have i will but what
can i pick up at homebase,orchid, gardening shops ect...
TOPIC - Curious George
DATE - 22:07:54 11/26/99
FROM - dan kass
GF= Grapefruit
X= Brand X
both I believe are local BC strains.
DK
TOPIC - Root Blaster questions and Necrosis addendum
DATE - 19:48:38 11/26/99
FROM - Curious George
Lothar, old boy, you have certainly piqued our interest . A complete A
- Z explanation is certainly in order. If you're
using a drip system for clones, in what kind of medium and in how large
a container? What is the basis of the "X" ... ?
Does it just mean your personal cross, or something else? Doesn't the time
spent getting the roots "blasted" count as
veg time? How tall are the clones when they go to the flower room? And
by the way, what's "GF"? Inquiring minds want
to know!
Occam: I should have been more specific with that last question. I don't
know why I asked about the "frozen dead",
since I've had some experience that way in the distant past and it's just
as you described. What I was really interested
in was those stories we used to hear about plants that were allowed to
grow seedless in warm climates until they died.
What happens to them? Has anyone let an indoor plant go that long?
Just curious.
TOPIC - hey lothar
DATE - 08:30:16 11/26/99
FROM - oldcowboy
any way i could get you to expound a little on the root blaster rig you
are running?some help could be used on keeping
things lower to the horizon for periods of 4 to 6 weeks,it would sure make
things a lot less needful of attention.
later
TOPIC -
DATE - 02:23:38 11/26/99
FROM - Lothar
Vic: Just a note to say hi
I just developed a little system I call the "root blaster" This thing works
wonders all it is is a drip system under flos...I
get to keep my plants very short and get outstanding root growth, then
when I flip them into the Flower room no veg
time needed
First time Ive done a whole room of my "X" and I must say I am sooooo impressed
Probubly The Best SOG plant Ive
ever seen just one large Cola I mean Large 16" long bout the width of a
coke can and its got 2.5 weeks to go, The few
Ive topped Twin nicely (like haveing 2 plants) same size as the single
cola plants.
Did a GF crop last time be interesting to see who yeilds better, I must
admit though the GF is better than X but the
girls seem to like the X better Whatever both are deadly smoken
Have you heard of "R2" ???? New clone going around Don't know anything
about it but Im doin a whole crop next turn
around went in the root blaster today.
I Got a favor to ask you if your traveling any time sooner or later...Need
a male plant (a good one) going to Cross it with
X and Probubly one called Real MaCoy not my project...and not a seed bank
thing more in the lines of a science
experiment.
And if we meet up remind me about Amsterdam and we will chat some intresting
stuff.
Any how long time but I am Unimployed for real this time till after Xmas
so chat soon K email me
TOPIC -
DATE - 00:51:29 11/26/99
FROM - Jebediah
Howdy. Can someone who has any of the following General Hydroponics fertilizers
please look on the side label and
tell me the NPK values (%)? The reason I need to know is because these
fertilisers are not available where I am, and I
need to make up an equivalent mixture to that on the laughing-moon clone
handy hints page.
Flora grow
Flora micro
Flora Bloom
Pure Blend growth formula
Your assistance is most appreciated.
TOPIC - Hey there...
DATE - 23:08:32 11/25/99
FROM - Bongblaster
Hey Vic ...just a note to say hello ...think ill have your jacket here
soon........Ncga mailed it with my stuff...
TOPIC - The post below mine
DATE - 16:38:38 11/25/99
FROM - Pusherbetty
Now this has got to be a mistake. LOL you don't really think she wants
information on what we are growing to hand out
to the kids!
Vic, don't you dare!
Betty
TOPIC - Teen Wellness Conference
DATE - 13:46:21 11/25/99
FROM - Mrs. Marilyn Kuss
Dear BC Growers Association -
I know that this is not the correct address but I couldn't see what I needed.
I hope that you will pass this along to the
appropriate people.
I am writing to request BC Growers Association's participation in our Teen Wellness Conference.
While financial assistance is always appreciated, we could also use help
with brochures and hand-outs for distribution
at a booth. Also, we are interested in recipes that provide quick and easy
healthy eating for teens who are juggling
school and jobs and other activities.
Finally, we would appreciate any ideas you could give us as to who to contact for similar support.
Yours truly
Marilyn Kuss
TOPIC - Natural death in the Great White North
DATE - 07:49:30 11/25/99
FROM - occam
Curious George... probably a bit more extreme than you had in mind, but...
Afoaf once inadvertently let a few plants die in the snow. Put out in May,
by the end of Nov. there was 6" of snow at
that altitude. 2 plants were compost, laying horizontal with a few decomposing
branches sticking out of the snow. One
6 foot female had not fallen over; large leaves and 50% of the flowers
were dead and decomposing. Salvaged the
remaining 50%. Wasn't great. Looked fine, no odor, somewhat metallic flavor,
hardly noticeable buzz.
occam.
TOPIC - thanks
DATE - 22:12:50 11/24/99
FROM - irish
thanks perp....
and everyone, watch out for the tryptophan deetee's on friday.
TOPIC - spooks
DATE - 19:33:55 11/24/99
FROM - Perp
irish...Happy T-Day to you and All!
I believe that info monitor base is in Great Britain, jus' down the street
from Weedseed.
TOPIC - vancouver island
DATE - 16:21:43 11/24/99
FROM - trelaway
heard thru the grapevine that there's been some new federal money thrown
around in Victoria targeting indoor grows.
Apparently BC hydro is in on the plan.
anyone else heard anything? Last I heard, cops were facing budget cuts
like everyone else.
TOPIC - Genetic Heritage etc.
DATE - 18:08:57 11/23/99
FROM - Curious George
In the weekly "Science Times" section of the 11/23/99 issue of the N.Y.
Times, is a very interesting article on the
genetic code of wine grapes. Since both cannabis and wine grapes have been
cultivated for thousands of years, many
of the same issues of lineage seem to apply.
"There are at least 5,000 varieties of wine grape in the world, several
of which have been grown at least since Roman
times."
"Though wild grapes come in male and female forms that breed sexually,
those in vinyards are usually propagated by
hand from rootstock, so that in principle each new vine is a clone ...
identical to its' parent. ... Types believed to be very
ancient, like pinot, have not had sex for some 2,000 years, yet varieties
of pinot exist, their genetic variation
presumably caused just by mutation."
Evidently, a researcher at U. C. Davis has done DNA analysis of wine grapes
and achieved some surprising results as
far as the lineage was concerned.
The point being that the same sort of analysis could be done on cannabis,
especially New World varieties, to
determine where they originated, and where they mutated. To the best of
my knowledge, the herb came to the Western
Hemisphere via African slaves and indentured East Indian workers and then
spread through Mexico, Central, and South
America.
We know that over the past two centuries, many regional varieties took
hold, and even within Mexico there was wide
variation. It would be very interesting for some enlightened individual
with the equipment, training, and experience in
DNA research, to begin the "Cannabis Genome Project" and lift the veil
of mystery from the hybrids of the West, as
well as from some of the presumably "pure" srains of Africa and Asia.
If the experience of the wine grapes is any indication, we are in for more than a few surprises.
In the meantime ... pass the joint.
Has any one had experience with letting nature take it's course and allowing
a plant to complete it's life-cycle by
growing until it dies either from a cold snap or "old age"?
How does it effect the taste, potency, and quality of the buzz?
Just curious.
TOPIC - damn strange. internet post related.
DATE - 16:34:56 11/23/99
FROM - irish
check it out if you get a chance. a man is banned from posting on the net.
turned in by australian government worker,
to seattle police...
wasn't there a "spookbuster" kind of post which had said the US monitors
all communication from a base in
australia?...
i am not worried about this, but i thought it was interesting. the guy had made threats to the seattle police.
just note the part where "if threats are made..." expect a phone call.
kind of like mentioning explosives on planes. uh
oh did i say that?...hehe.
Link: internet policing by courts
TOPIC -
DATE - 04:11:18 11/23/99
FROM - Søren lLøvfelt Larsen
I love hemp..
TOPIC - mites
DATE - 19:42:01 11/22/99
FROM - trelaway
a note to those interested. It is possible to rid yerself of mites using
pyrethrum/soap. I have an admittedly small grow
that's easy to work with but after about eight weekly spray's on mom/clones
they were gone. It's been a month since
the last spraying and no borg.
trel
TOPIC - Male musk
DATE - 14:34:25 11/22/99
FROM - Skinman
Been lurking daily but my daily life hasn't left much time to post much
lately. Saw a few things that got me thinking
and just had to post some mental gymnastics that occurred to me.
Pretty interesting train of thought concerning the scent of the males.
Is this scent picked up on by the females in the
area? If so, what is the affect on them? Could this scent be produced in
a spray or aeresol form, and if so would the
effect to the females be a desirable one?
I guess my line of thought here is a holistic one from the plant's view.
If we can actually provide for them as Mother
Nature does so completely, then would the outcome be a more potent product,
and does a happier plant transfer to a
happier buzz?
Hope this can fuel some new topics for discussion if anyone is interested in bending the bean a bit.
A quick Hello to Pi and Ru hope you guys are doing well and YES Ru I'm
about to soil myself waiting for our trip in
December. Can't wait to see the Dam in person Brah! Good to know I have
a brother for a guide.
Skinman out but never down!
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:15:31 11/22/99
FROM - oldtimer1
loop_hole the final clone mum was only now being selected, unfortunately
last week it was found that the timer was
sticking and the so called 12/12 was any thing from 12/12 to 24/0 this
has now been rectified but makes the results
null and void as far as clone times and yield are concerned so a new grow
is going to have to be done. The final yield
for this grow will drop a bit as far as this grow is concerned. Iím going
to take a look tomorrow will take some picks but
they wont be representative as far as the time flowering is concerned.
What other info do you want? I will do my best to
answer you! Iím not in the seed business but have had very good feedback
on this cross from friends around the net.
So when A_1 went down, I put up a some to give A_1 some early funds also
to give folks a chance at some cheap sat
dominant genetics. From feedback and my own experience it has a couple
of faults firstly it produces slightly more
males than fems. Secondly the fems fall into two finish times of 8 weeks
and 10 weeks. Both have a good up high but
the later ones are much stronger, They like plenty of light and do better
if there is some halide in the lighting mix to the
end, this may be due to the equatorial in the genetic makeup. Hope this
helps a bit
All the best Ot1.
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:57:36 11/22/99
FROM - loop_hole
Evil one
Glad to see you back on your feet. Lost your e-mail addy during a hasty
purging of my address book. Iím still at hot
mail, so feel free to drop me a line. Havenít been taking part in the forums
much myself lately, staying pretty low key.
RE: leaf trimming. Last year I did a quick experiment on trimming some
of the larger/older leaves off a crop off shisk.
Half the room I trimmed and left the other half alone. Donít have my notes
here but If I remember correctly, I got a gram
or two more per plant (3 per foot) than the untrimmed. Donít forget that
the shisk has some of the largest leaves Iíve
ever seen even dwarfing the romberry. Tried the same thing on my NL x Hawaiian
and she didnít like that at all.
Vic: how are your UV experiments going?
OT1: any more info on the ESB would be appreciated.
TOPIC - Hi all!
DATE - 22:52:45 11/21/99
FROM - Dr. Evil
Just a note to say hi to everyone. Been lurking occasionally, but do to
circumstances beyond my control, forum
participation would have been indiscete until certain matters resolved
themselves. I'll be happy to elaborate to those
who are interested, but posting details here would also be indiscrete.
Real life was getting too real for a while is all I'll
say here. Enough about that for now.
Vic: I'd like to help any way I can with either the A-1 or M.G. situations.
I realize I'm late on the trigger with the A-1
auction and all (my own problems began shortly after A-1's). I am however
even more sympathetic than most to both
causes, due to some of my recent experiences. If you get an opportunity
to, drop me a line, I'll help in whatever
capacity that is appropriate.
P.S. You mentioned being concerned about smell during power outages over
at cann. world (would respond there, but I
just registered tonight, went to retrieve my password and found that my
mail service is down till sometime tommorrow).
What about connecting a flourescent ozone tube up to a computer type UPS
so that it will continue to run during
outages. Flo' tubes don't draw that much wattage, so it should be able
to stay running for quite a while. Just a thought.
be safe
Dr. Evil
TOPIC - People for the Ethical Treatment of Cannabis?
DATE - 17:54:29 11/21/99
FROM - Curious George
Funktified might have a point about "tampering with mother nature". When
husbandry seeks to stem the natural
procession of breeding, could it be part of the "secret life of plants"
that the Cannabis females production of more THC
is only a by-product of turning on their little hemp vibrators while seeking
to alleviate their severe sexual frustration?
Could we be guilty of inducing a neurosis in these poor, defenseless plants?
Do we have a duty to give the plants some
sort of therapy, to help them overcome this artificially induced handicap?
( We can't ask the plants themselves, since discussion of breeeding and
seeds in polite hemp socety is probably
considered to be in very poor taste.)
Plants are very complex, and react in ways that can't always be accurately
quantified. Simply stated: We play with
them ... they play with us. It all works out.
Vic, do you consume the plant material of the seed plants that you grow?
Except for the increased THC per unit of
weight, how is it different ( if at all ) from the stone of the same plant
cloned and grown seedless?
Just curious.
TOPIC - avid
DATE - 07:37:10 11/21/99
FROM - champ
Howdy,scored some avid and sprayed last night .one question i have ,what
is the point in spraying the walls floors etc.i
sprayed liberally all around by the way,im just wondering what spraying
inanimate objects does for the cause of
eliminating the borg.
later
TOPIC - la bluberry ce magnific!
DATE - 21:54:50 11/20/99
FROM - coco Beans
Ms B, the sounds of your blueberry is wonderbar!
also your discription of a male is right on!the clean teeth that's a hard
one in europe! hehe
is anyone out there sensitive to the mites? like do they give you the itch?I
have used the avid on avs and it does work.
do a blueberry for me I need a good laugh!well back to work I go! beannie
TOPIC - Bunch of Stuff
DATE - 18:44:08 11/20/99
FROM - PusherBetty
Psycho - I too used to sniff the B.O. of the male species before going
out on a date with them. If they smelled good,
had clean teeth, pretty eyes, and a good heart, I went out with them. If
the B.O. was unbearable, well, then there was
no need for us to even move towards finding out how sticky he was or could
get. (Sorry, no harm intended, just couldn't
pass that one up babe!)
The Borg is back! Avid is the only thing that works guys, neem oil will
hold em off, kelthane will do the same, but to kill
them DEAD, you gotta use the AVID.
I am giggling my arse off like back when I was 16. Just smoked some of
my CAREFULLY cured Blueberry x G13 x
Northern Lights. The blueberry smell is so potent it makes my mouth water,
and the TASTE!
MMmmmmmmmooooooouuuuuuuaaaahhhhh, or however the Italians do it when then
kiss their fingers and do that
thing when something is magnifico!
Ok, enough babbling, time for some more Blueberries.
Betty
TOPIC - A question for Vic.
DATE - 16:56:24 11/19/99
FROM - Psycho
funkdified: I subscribe to the school of thought that you must balance
the competing interests. I.e. just remove a very
few pairs up top of the plant, if you are growing without tying down or
clipping tops. Of course, tying the plant is a better
option.
Also, I agree with you. This board is superior.
Vic: I have come to an observation I would like your input on. I like to
breed my own seed, improving the strains that I
buy. This is great fun, except for the evaluation of males for breeding.
But, I have been noticing something that never
appears to fail. In terms of potency, the best plants always give off that
certain aroma. Y'know, the plant gets to four
weeks and older, and if your nose happens within three inches of the top,
you just whiff and say, "Ummmm!" You touch
it's leaves, and your fingers come away especially
sticky with that aroma. I like to select males for potency,
growth characteristics, and quickness/earliness of flowering. I am becoming
convinced that I can hone in on a select
few males based solely on their B.O., and then select for other characteristics,
as well as a quick smoke test to
confirm potency.
BTW, finished some Sweettooth Surprise: too potent! Four light hits the
first try, and I was dizzy and headed for bed. I
learned my lesson. Definitely a potent bud, I have rarely seen my eyes
so bloodshot. I will have to breed it with
something a dash more moderate, with other desireable characteristics.
TOPIC - mimicing nature
DATE - 12:37:18 11/19/99
FROM - funkdified
Sorry to change the subject here guys but there has been something on my
mind lately. Of all of the message boards
on the net I have found that this one has the most focused group of people
as well as some of the most accomplished
and I was wondering what all of you thought about this. The debate about
cutting fan leafs off was what lead me to start
thinking about this. Some say that by exposing bud sites you will have
better growth. Others say that by cutting off the
fans that you are diminishing the plants ability to grow and say that if
mother nature didn't think that they are
necessary then why would they be there. This why would they be there statement
started me thinking about what
mother natures goal is. Every living thing on this plant has an inherent
need to pass on its genes. So, I feel it is safe to
say that cannabis is concerned with producing as many seeds as it can to
perpetuate the species. As drug cannabis
producers we are trying to produce as few seeds as possible. (Damn, would
I be pissed if someone wanted me to be a
virgin for my entire life - hehe) I feel that this in and of itself weakens
the mother nature put it there argument. I have
always approached growing from the viewpoint that I wanted to give the
plant everything that mother nature does to the
best of my ability. Granted, no matter what we are trying to do the basics
will always be necessary. But, how
concerned as growers should we be about the goals of ma nature beyond the
basics? I mean, we already circumvent
ma nature by growing only females. I realize that this is somewhat vague,
but what are your opinions on this?
Thanks,
funkdified
TOPIC -
DATE - 19:46:02 11/18/99
FROM - KQ
Thanks Hibe, I hope we all learn something from this.
TOPIC - its just words..
DATE - 12:34:14 11/18/99
FROM - hibe
KQ:the no trespassing sign, in itself, has some legality. ..where you are
telling someone to leave your property....they
will be required by law, to step to the other side of the sign.no sign?they
can stand on your porch all day if theyd
like,legally. Even if you had a sign, and they went past it and found you
out,but couldnt use the information, you are
still FOUND OUT,and your plants are history,and now your on the list of
badguys.Everyone should understand that leo
doesnt play fair mann.If you think they will,you are sadly mistaken.Its
too hard to catch you by fair play, so they come
up with creative ways to bend the rules and, until someone calls them on
it, it continues to suck the life out of all kinds
of nice people.When it finally gets discovered that its illegal, they say
to themselves,"ohwell, we took out 2000 growers
anyway.It got us that raise we wanted".
They will go through the open gate,come to the door as an actor,(while
they`re inventorying the contents of everything
they can see through the windows,on the porch etc..they know the law is
that,if its a felony in plain view,its
punishable)they`ll come up and tell you "oh,im sorry,wrong house", or whatever
nifty trick they`ve devised amongst
themselves,smell bud, leave, and come back as a swat team with a search
warrant.You have no idea how you got
popped.
Not to mention, the accidents that happen with an open gate.Do you think
the UPS guy gives a damm about the
sign?He`s got things to do, same with all the others who invade your space,and
cause problems.The sign is just words
to many people.If you have the ability to put a gate up,by all means,save
yourself.Apartment people...hmmm..be extra
careful,you cant gate your situation.
Its peace of mind too..you dont have to worry about coming around the corner
with a 3 footer or a tray of cuts and be
surprised by your square neighbor, coming over to talk to you about something.be
prepared,or learn to enjoy reading
books in a 6x6 with Bubba.
TOPIC - help me grow
DATE - 11:09:15 11/18/99
FROM - Paul Gould
Please help me grow the skunk indoors. Ive made attempts and they keep
dying
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:02:04 11/18/99
FROM - KQ
Hibe....what if your gate is always open but you have a "no tresspassing"
sign?? Wouldn't that be the same message?
TOPIC - neems oil
DATE - 04:13:27 11/18/99
FROM - pizza
i had a bad infestation of mites tried several different brands of mite
killer a friend turned me onto neems oil 2 soakings
and a havent seen any mites since
TOPIC - Hibe...
DATE - 21:51:45 11/17/99
FROM - chronic man
Thanks for the info about the cops and the gate thing, I didnt know that.
VERY good to know about, again thanks..and
as for Avid, ever since I started using it, I've NEVER had a mite problem
again. Maybe a few here and there, 10-20,
hehehe, but nowhere near the little colonies they were erecting, which
I basically just kept in check with various spray
concoctions, etc., you know the drill, I wonder if Neem oil works as well.
Have you or anyone tried that??
Stay free, be careful
cHrOnIc man
P.S. Vic, the Romberry is looking better and better every day....
TOPIC - knock/talk/avid coverage
DATE - 11:28:19 11/17/99
FROM - hibe
knockntalk:i know from our local experiences that the cops who are looking
for a grow op. will come to your door with a
WIDE variety of excuses..dont assume anyone at your front door is who they
say they are..in order to check you
out,and maybe get a whiff of bud,they like to play Hollywood actor..For
example..theyll come and play a convicing role
where they`ll ask if you know where so n so lives on this road, or "is
this the house for sale?"..i dont find the excuse
that this guy using out of the ordinary to be a COP,playacting as someone
else.In oregon,the knock and talk is the
MOST effective tool to knock out growers.Its only a matter of time until
the word gets around to other copshops..But, if
you do some things to keep you safe,its all good. Get a gate. The gate
implies Private property,which they cannot
(legally)breach.With no gate, you, in actuality,have INVITED the cops to
come to your front door.Its PUBLIC DOMAIN
outside your front door(your doorstep is public),but the gate extends your
private domain,and keeps other accidents
from happening.(btw:its usually an "accident" that gets ya.things you never
even considered...ie.phonebook delivery
people smell and report you,..UPS guy drops a package onto the porch and
sees fan leaves you spaced out and forgot
while taking cuttings yesterday...neighbor kids think that an open gate
is an open invitation to run around YOUR
yard,discovering a skunky smell they tell their parents,or their teacher
at school next week.,Cable guy,power
guy,phone guy,doortodoor salesguy,wrong addresses,..etc.)With the gate,you
are safe in your domain.The gate
negates the knock and talk..they really HATE the GATE.;)
Avid:a friend did an Avid experiment with seriously infested greenhouse
plants this summer.He sprayed one branch on
a plant with avid.ALL the mites on the plant died.He sprayed only down
the one half of whole plants but the systemic
action of Avid took the whole mite population out.Point is:its not as important
to "apply liberally,or thoroughly
soak".....its more important to expose ALL the areas to SOME Avid..ie.walls,floors,cracks,outside
the room.
hope this helps..................................hibe
Vic:..sorry if this isn`t on topic for the page mann...the Triangle make it?
TOPIC - New Grow
DATE - 11:17:46 11/17/99
FROM - PusherBetty
As far as nutrients go in hydro's here is my experience?
Seed stage - use plain water.
Veg Stage - 24 hours of light and I use GH Flora Bloom 4ml per gallon,
Grow 16 ml per gallon, and Micro ml per gallon.
I let the plants get about 8" tall then turn the lights down to 12/12 and use the following ORGANIC nutrient solutions:
30 ml Fox Farm Big Bloom per gallon
4 ml Pure Blend Grow per gallon
8 ml Maxicrop w/iron per gallon
With organics, you will need to change your reservoirs more often than with the Chemical GH Flora nutrients.
Betty
TOPIC - starting out
DATE - 07:21:41 11/17/99
FROM - new gro
I've been growing outdoors for a few years, and make a little money from
it; but I have some seeds I want to grow for
personal use hydroponicly indoors. Could anyone give me a simple recipe
for a good nutrient solution? I constructed a
small 4 plant setup, but have no experiance in hydro; please help. The
seeds are from an extremely potent Niagra
strain I had the pleasure of barely remember smoking(THC>19%) it's killer,
but the source said they almost never make
it outside, and closet grow isn't possible. Feel free to e-mail me with
any suggestions. memnoche@excite.com
TOPIC - knockNtalk
DATE - 18:33:45 11/16/99
FROM - trelaway
My understanding is rom is stinky. Has your friend got a reason to think
the cops would be intereested, like: does s/he
deal (esp coke), recent relationship break-up, does the grow have lite
leaks, does yer buddy like to show it off etc?
Does his/her landlord have a key to the present dead-bolt; if so...don't
necesarily assume they follow the 24 hour notice
rule. You don't have to answer these question here, just consider them.
Rule of thumb: if you grow, never answer the door to people you don't recognize.
In a security apartment, never answer
a knock to yer door--tell those who know you to buzz up.
The reason the cop gave sounds phoney but that doesn't necesarily mean
s/he was searching for a small apartment
grow--maybe just looking for someone.
TOPIC - clones
DATE - 17:02:21 11/16/99
FROM - stiener
IAM VERY INTERSETED IN BUYING OR TRADEING FOR SOME CLONES,
THE STRAINS YOU HAVE LOOK REALLY UNIQUE ,PLEASE E- MAIL ME
BACK OR PAGE ME AT 622-962
TOPIC - thanks pusher betty mucho appreciated NFM
DATE - 14:43:00 11/16/99
FROM - champ
nfm
TOPIC - LEO knock and talk in BC
DATE - 09:00:03 11/16/99
FROM - knockNtalk
A friend is growing 6 plants in his apartment (Romberry Surprise BTW).
A plainclothes cop came to the door and
asked how long he'd been in the apartment and if he knew a tenant that
lived there in 1997. He claimed to be doing a
background check on an applicant to the RCMP.
The cop didn't look like he was trying to look into the apartment and didn't
try to get close for a sniff.
Should my friend be worried about this?
This happened in Vic High's neck of the woods.
thanx
TOPIC - Mites
DATE - 07:50:59 11/16/99
FROM - PusherBetty
Champ, I got my Avid at www.african-violets.com. It is half strength, but
one application on all walls, floors, every leaf,
stem, pot and the critters never reared their ugly heads again. Only $16.95
per bottle, they have a 1-800# to order from,
bottle is 2 ounces worth. Not sure if they ship to Canada though.
Betty
TOPIC - avid by the ounce
DATE - 15:54:28 11/15/99
FROM - champ
Hey all,recently my hard drive crashed causing me to lose all links i had
saved as well as all other information.One very
important link i cant seem to find and i desperately need it now,is the
link to a place were you could buy avid mite killer
by the ounce.I just found a mite infestation and i need to BLAST the little
suckers as soon as possible.I am most
grateful to all who can help me find the link.
later
TOPIC - water clones
DATE - 15:22:11 11/15/99
FROM - coco Beans
thanks GP for the rooting info.All the clones are still striving and it's
been over 4 days in water.
I have them in dark ceramic jars.
cb
TOPIC - water cloning
DATE - 14:31:10 11/15/99
FROM - Ganja`Peg
hey pi .... yes i do water cloning exclusivly .... my success rate is 95%
or better {no bullshit}... i've only lost 5 or 6
clones in a year with my method.I just took a couple known facts and reasoned
it should work, ie that cannabis needs
3 things to root well ... water, darkness, and oxygen.And they responded
beautifully . Here are the basics : i use small
narrow necked bud vases commonly found at walmart in craft section,they
are cheap but thick glass. I paint the
OUTSIDE black to cut out any light, the mass of leaves from the clones
prevent any light from getting in from
above.Next i make sure clones are the normal 4 - 5 inches and remove any
leaves and stems close to the main stem
to prevent rotting. For light i use normal cool white flouro tubes and
keep temperature at 80 constant during the day and
no less than 70 at night.I change the water everyday to keep oxygen content
up and make sure bottom of clone is cut
with a razor blade at about a 60 degree angle. After about 2 weeks the
stems change noticibly, they thicken and swell
and the cut end starts to seal itself. A couple weeks later the customary
root bumps appear.Some strains i let go a bit
longer in order to have roots more established but generally i plant em
as soon as root bumps appear. I do give em a
light dusting of rootone to prevent any rot in the soil while it makes
the conversion to soil roots, and to give it a boost ( i
do realize water roots are very different, and do not function well in
soil } . I have successfully rooted the following
strains using just this method 1.G-13 2.Puna Butter 3.Genius 4.Stonehedge
5.NCGA Bluelight 6.Princess x Shiva ...
the only total failure i had was with cali-o and that was due to marginal
clones ... they rooted in water well just as the
rest but didnt survive the shock of converting to soil. Im sure there will
be alot who say im nuts .... but im doing it and
it's ALMOST idiot proof ... anyone no matter what thier botanical savy
can do it ...its just that simple ;} ... peace la ...
its time for the idiocy to end bro ;}
TOPIC - Blueberry
DATE - 13:17:14 11/15/99
FROM - Confused
Hey all :) All my BB are showing really heavy indica traits...the pictures
i have seen didnt look as chubby as my babies
but i have a slight problem.Towards the end of their 18 hr period the bigger
leaves start to droop around the plant kinda
like when you dry the buds with the leaves still on....they seem to close
around the stem as if to protect it.Anyway i
wasn't sure if this was a problem or just an indica thing...i saw the post
about the 21 yr smoker....hell i haven't even
been alive that long! :) so i have a lot to learn....any help would be
mightily appreciated :)
ps. The babies are at about 2 1/2 weeks and the whole room STINKS! I have
never seen this type of odour at 2 1/2
weeks Veg.I have a bunch of Indoor Mix which i thought might be the problem
but it seems to be the blues that are
giving off the strongest smell...really nice unlike the sweat smell of
the Indoor Mix :)
TOPIC - oops / cloning in water/ wish i was there
DATE - 13:53:43 11/14/99
FROM - pi
meant to include this with the post below...
i have tried it with no success in the past however ganja pegs does this
almost exlusively with a 100% success rate or
so he tell me.
-uses floral vases from wall mart
-paints em black on the outside
-uses unadulterated tap water
-does not use any cloning gel
-changes the water daily
-takes about 30 days to see bumps
this is all i the facts i know. pegs is somewhat shy and a lurker. i will direct him here for more info
vic and all... hope you are having a jam up time wish i was there. hope
a-1 is gaining on em!
TOPIC - spazz vic
DATE - 12:58:44 11/14/99
FROM - pi
vic i guess i should get some fire from you as my smart alecky remarks
to spaz could be construed or misonstrued as
personal attacks.
didnt mean for my post to be anymore than smart alecky and i apologize
to spaz if it caused he or she to think of 4
letter words in reprisal heh. btw spaz i been smoking since 73 (early twenties)
and have seen bunches in my time. no
youngin here either.
43 years eh. than you really are an OLD fart too!
TOPIC - outdoor weed
DATE - 11:17:10 11/14/99
FROM - trelaway
This may seem wierd, me living in BC, remarking about outdoor weed. Thing
is, I rarely get to smoke any. A buddy
and his son did a guerilla grow this year and last week began passing it
'round to friends.
This stuff didn't get harvested til late october, went thru two frosts
and still totally rocks. Think I'm gonna have to buy a
place in the boonies someday and have me a garden.
TOPIC - water and clones
DATE - 21:09:31 11/13/99
FROM - coco Beans
ok I 'll stay on topic. How about rooting clones in water anyone have any
tips. Someone on the other board suggested
film cans.
anyone have info on the sweet tooth suprises? What kind of suprise are
we in for.
thanks,
cb
TOPIC - spaz
DATE - 10:40:08 11/13/99
FROM - Vic High
Spaz, beat it with your personal attacks, they are not welcome in the least!!
PB, just getting close to you girl, hehe. Trying my hand at being the ugly
Canadian In this fine State of California,
haha. Nice place, but so so smokey!! hahah
Hey BD!! got a couple of gifts from the bros for ya, haha!!
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:13:08 11/13/99
FROM - occam
Coco Beans: I always enjoy a debate, but let's try to stay on topic before
Vic gets the delete button working. ;)
spaz: Thanks. The concern you expressed for my well-being is so important
to me.
TOPIC - Smart Assizm
DATE - 05:32:13 11/13/99
FROM - PusherBetty
I am soooooo embarrassed. Pi was right, I didn't read all of the posts
and when I did read the posts that I did read
(hahah), I was stoney stoney stoney and had my head up my arse as usual.
My apologies Occam, I thought you were the one that was into the astrology
thingy. Outerspace does interest me, but
I have never studied it so I guess I shoulda kept my mouth shut :), hard
for us women aye? hehe
So do any of you Canadians have extensive knowledge in hydroponic marijuana
growing? Maybe we can exchange
some tricks. I have been growing in hydro (flood and drain) for 5 years
now and soil for geez 25 years or more.
Oh and Spaz, smoke another one! hehe
Vic - Where are you?????
Sweaty Betty
TOPIC - 41 yrs
DATE - 01:33:55 11/13/99
FROM - spaz
pi it took a bit to figure out just how long i have smoked for,well the
grand total is 41 years.
the first 20yrs was recreational,the last 21 were medicinal{lukemia} .ive
probably smoked more weed than youve seen
TOPIC - no heat
DATE - 23:43:38 11/12/99
FROM - spaz
pi.. no im not a cop.love to get high{purple sweetness, oh and i to often
find myself contemplating female navels
TOPIC - malawi star and skunkowsk?
DATE - 14:05:30 11/12/99
FROM - nexus
I am getting some malawi star and skunkowski from a friend they are freddy's
seeds .but he has no info on them, Does
anyone have anyinfo on these strains?
peace out
TOPIC - pi
DATE - 10:43:48 11/12/99
FROM - oldtimer1
More like your Bro, thanks for your thinking of me hope things are better
for you. Ot1
TOPIC - yuck / ot1
DATE - 10:26:32 11/12/99
FROM - pi
aeric... are you saying occam needs to take a shit? ;0)
pb... you need to read occum's post closer. seems to me that he does not
believe in that stuff either duh ;), just trying
to stir up debate and opinions is all. Maybe i am reading it wrong... ya
think?
spaz... your just another four letter word in my book hehe. i question
weather or not you even smoke... your not a
piggy are you? maybe you never get spaced out when you smoke. hell, i have
been know to contemplate navels,
female navels that is when i really get spacey.
ot1... hope you are feeling better and i hope you dont have what i have
had the last 6 months!
TOPIC - what moon!
DATE - 19:09:33 11/11/99
FROM - coco beans
occam has a life and I'm glad he chose to post here. Hell with the moon,
his post were the best I have read in a long
time!
Occam PLEASE lets meet here again. by the way what is your sun sign? beannie
TOPIC - Just a Hello to you Canadians
DATE - 13:26:25 11/11/99
FROM - PusherBetty
Hey Vic, I bet you never thought you would meet me here in Canada! :)
I like these guys attitudes in here. Kinda like me, they tell it like it is.
No offense occam - But I don't believe in the astrology mumbo jumbo either.
But if it is true, the moon, stars, and every
milky way in space must have been wacked out when I was born! hehe
Any hydro heads in here?
Betty
TOPIC - ?
DATE - 11:43:17 11/11/99
FROM - Phranklin
Vic High-
Did you get the private message I sent you over at the Cannabis Culture
message boards? Wasn't sure if the message
got sent - was not familiar with their protocols.
Thanks,
Frank
TOPIC - occam
DATE - 09:49:42 11/11/99
FROM - spaz
BLAH BA BLAH BA BLAH !!!!!!
observing your last ten posts your are obviously an educated person...
my concern is do you have a life??
or does that depend on the moon also?
TOPIC - hey occam,my friend.......
DATE - 08:37:51 11/11/99
FROM - aeric77
......dog says to tell ya it takes you quite a walk sometimes to say you
think it's dog shit, but he really enjoys the run
getting there.....he thinks you guys are a little whacked but ya can share
his bowl anytime......
TOPIC - Recent election ...
DATE - 07:31:34 11/11/99
FROM - Cannabis Conduit
On Tuesday (11/2), voters in Maine came out in force to say "Yes" to Question
Two, a ballot measure that will protect
certain patients who use marijuana medicinally from prosecution under the
state's drug laws. Question Two was
approved by 61%, with voter turnout at 45% - -ten percent more than election
officials said they expected to see at the
polls.
"We felt likely to win, but support for Question Two went up even more
over the last ten days before the election," Craig
Brown, a spokesman for Mainers for Medical Rights, the group
that sponsored the measure, told The Week Online. Brown
credited Cumberland County Sheriff Mark Dion, who announced his support
for the measure at a press conference two
weeks ago, with the last minute boost.
TOPIC - B-9
DATE - 08:28:53 11/09/99
FROM - Jahman
This is just a quick post and I'll probly try again later...
Does anyone have any experience using vitamin B-9? It's standard application
is to shorten internode length and
promote flowering. I'm particularly interested in its use on clones but
would like to hear anything about it. Namaste
TOPIC - Up, Up, and Away !
DATE - 18:43:18 11/08/99
FROM - Curious George
This has gotten just a bit spaced-out, but that's good! Better we hang
out on the edge where "outside the box"
correlations can happen than go round and round with the same old crap
that pops up in some of the other weed
boards.
occam: Great quote from Kepler ...
coco beans: Thanks for the new reading on my moon sign. For many years
I've been under the mistaken impression
that all the moon in Scorpio did was make me incredibly horny!
My bottom line on Astrology for growing / living / predicting : "Pass the
joint." If it works for you, that's Fine ... if not,
then we'll just have to just shine on.
Maybe we can't fully appreciate the influence of the moon until we paint
ourselves blue and dance naked around an oak
tree.
Who's got the mistletoe?
Just curious.
TOPIC - And again...
DATE - 10:45:14 11/08/99
FROM - occam
Sensi: You've opened an even bigger can o'worms, but I'm going to stick
to the original topic: moon phase and
astrology and their effects on plant growth.
Your personal observations on mushrooms is interesting, but proves nothing.
Correlation does not prove causality. At
the risk of repeating myself, scientific research has shown that there
is no statistically relevant evidence to support a
lunar effect. There is one study I found that suggests that light in miniscule
amounts (moonlight) may have some effect
on germination, but this deals with outdoor growing and is not relevant
to indoor applications.
In astrology, the position of the sun, moon, planets, etc., at the time
of birth effects one's personality and traits. Other
initial conditions like mother's health, the delivery place conditions,
forceps, bright lights, dim room, back seat of a car,
etc., seem more important than whether Mars is ascending, descending, etc..
Why isn't the planet Earth, much closer
to us at birth, considered a major influence on who we are and what we
become? Why the moment of birth and not the
moment of conception? Since the birthing process is not instantaneous,
how do you pick a time? Do you pick when
the water breaks? The first dilation? The first hair or toenail appearing?
When the umbilical is cut? First breathe? Or
when the nurse or physician looks at a clock or watch to note the time
of birth? Just a few questions of many that
believers in astrology tend to overlook.
It is possible that the position of the planets, stars, moons, comets,
asteroids, quasars, black holes, etc., at the
moment of birth effects personality. However, there is no reason to think
that this possibility is more likely than the
opposite possibility, that these matters are insignificant and irrelevant
to someones "destiny".
I sincerely hope no-one has been offended by my posts, it's just that I
can't find a single good reason for believing any
of this astrology/moon phase stuff.
"You shouldn't dismiss as incredible the possibility that a long enough
search might reveal a golden grain of truth in
astrological superstition." -- Johannes Kepler
TOPIC - It's hard to be humble...
DATE - 09:08:20 11/08/99
FROM - occam
Rejecting explanations that require belief in occult, supernatural or paranormal
forces in favor of simpler and more
plausible explanations is called applying "Occam's razor", a general scientific
principle attributed to William of Ockham
(ca. 1285-1349), and from which I humbly derived my online handle.
TOPIC - Occam-Mysterious Forces
DATE - 09:04:33 11/08/99
FROM - sensi
In your post below you ask "What is this mysterious force, generated by
the apparent differences in position of various
celestial bodies, that would have an effect on plant growth?" I would put
forth the idea that since no one has really
studied this, WHO KNOWS? For example, the Sun spews forth its solar wind
composed of charged particles,
electrons, etc. No one knew, scientifically, that it even existed until
the invention of radio communications. Then its
effect upon the ionsphere of the earth became well documented. Now with
the advent of sophisticated satellites, etc.
scientists are BEGINNING to understand that Sun Spots and the Solar Wind
DO affect the weather, and perhaps much
more on this planet! Or the fact that the Earth's magnetic field acts as
a barrier to dangerous Cosmic Rays and
radiation that would otherwise sterilize the planet (and oh yeah, scientists
STILL don't know the origin of cosmic rays!)
Since our Solar System is just that, an interlocked SYSTEM, no doubt there
is some relationship between these
Billions of Billions of tons of orbiting rotating matter and gravity and
magnetic fields, and perhaps who knows what! Man
has only made the tiniest teeny weeny scratch in the surface of understanding
of hoe the universe operates. As a final
note, I grew mushrooms for years and the phases of the moon definitely
affected things like spore and Fungi growth,
mushroom formation, etc. Coincidence or.....???
TOPIC - eau claire de la lune
DATE - 05:34:05 11/08/99
FROM - coco moonbeans
Why is man so cocky as to think that the moon can not effect him?
Does it not effect the ocean,wind,ect?
Curious G,your scriopio moon is what makes you sooooo curious!
paix,cb
TOPIC - personal favorite from occam's list
DATE - 16:37:30 11/07/99
FROM - irish
"behavioral outbursts of psychologically challenged rural adults"
are we speaking of "deliverance" here? did you just sneak that one in or what? hehe.
vic~ www.sensiseeds.com
Link: Sensi homepage
TOPIC - occam earlier post you made
DATE - 16:01:07 11/07/99
FROM - wimpole
one of the items on your list was seizure disorders. i keep a record of
all of my seizures day and time. "wife does" i'm
gonna to some searching and see if there is anything to the phase of the
moon and seizures. i feel most of mine are
either stress related or not having my smoke. my diabetes may come into
play to.
TOPIC - Forgot to cite references...
DATE - 15:53:33 11/07/99
FROM - occam
The three researchers mentioned:
-Ivan W. Kelly, PhD Professor, Dept. of Educational Psychology & Special
Education, University of Saskatchewan.
-James Rotton, Professor of Psychology at Florida International University.
-Roger Culver, Astronomer, Colorado State University.
Newspaper article on their research: http://www.eiu.edu/~scienced/3290/science/whatisscience/moonmyth.html
And a more recent study from 1996:
http://www.mwsc.edu/~psych/research/psy302/spring96/larryreno.html
Personal experience ignores the possibility of self-deception and confirmation
bias. Such evidence may be unreliable,
but it is nonetheless persuasive to the uncritical mind.
TOPIC - Lunar Effects upon Psychological Functioning
DATE - 14:32:35 11/07/99
FROM - Moose
Those who work psychiatric ER know that full moons are correlated with
higher rates of psychological distress,
violence, suicidal intentionality and succesfully completed suicide. Not
necessarily on the day of the full moon, but
more the days leading up to it. There is no question about it. As the moon
waxes emotions grow both more intense
and more volatile. One study, written by the psychiatrist Michael Stone
in the 1970's, documented the phenemona
convincingly. I have looked for the citation in my records but I cannot
find it at present. Anyone interested could do a
search of Psychological Abstracts or Indicus Medicus under the author.
As someone with a keen interest in astrological, circadian and other psychologically
sensitive rythyms, I have been
engaged in a research project over the last few years in which I have systematically
noted and recorded my mood as a
function of time of month (full moon being ground zero as a data point).
You can say that I am biased by virtue of my a
priori belief in the powerful effect of the full moon but I will say this,
the reliability of the day of the actual full moon each
cycle in predicting post-peak emotional intensity in MY life is uncanny.
Month after month. And a chart of my level of
emotional bouyancy peaks four or five days before the actual full moon
each month and bottoms some two weeks
before the next. In a reliable pattern that is remarkably persistant over
the years.
TOPIC - Circadian Rhythms
DATE - 11:56:59 11/07/99
FROM - Curious George
While there might room for argument on whether, or to what degree human
behavior is influenced by the phases of the
moon, we cannot deny the existance of circadian rhythms. These overlapping
timing patterns regulate the progress of
the various metabolic pathways in every living organism.
These natural clocks evolved over the ages and had the phases of the moon
as an intregal part of the cycle. If I recall
correctly, there are very subtle magnetic fields in the earth that change
with the phases of the moon. Between the
gravitational effects of the moon, and the regular seasonal changes in
the output of the sun ( not the angle, the output
... sunspots, etc. ), I suspect that a case can be made for planting and
harvesting by the clock.
Thanks to Dr. Turner and his government research in Mississippi, we know
for sure that THC levels in cannabis vary on
a monthly, weekly, daily, and hourly basis. Whether he kept track of the
moon phase is the big question.
I'm going to ask a real live botanist about this and report back. It's
a very important point, especially when many indoor
growers use 24 hour lighting as a regular part of their program. It just
doesn't make sence that this practice doesn't
stress the plants in ways that we don't realize.
Speaking of stress, what are the pro's and con's of starting seeds in paper
until sprouted and then planting them in
medium versus soaking them in water and going directly into the medium?
There seem to be as many recipes for
starting seeds as there are for martini's.
What's your favorite?
Just curious.
TOPIC - Circadian Rhythms
DATE - 11:53:29 11/07/99
FROM - Curious George
While there might room for argument on whether, or to what degree human
behavior is influenced by the phases of the
moon, we cannot deny the existance of circadian rhythms. These overlapping
timing patterns regulate the progress of
the various metabolic pathways in every living organism.
These natural clocks evolved over the ages and had the phases of the moon
as an intregal part of the cycle. If I recall
correctly, there are very subtle magnetic fields in the earth that change
with the phases of the moon. Between the
gravitational effects of the moon, and the regular seasonal changes in
the output of the sun ( not the angle, the output
... sunspots, etc. ), I suspect that a case can be made for planting and
harvesting by the clock.
Thanks to Dr. Turner and his government research in Mississippi, we know
for sure that THC levels in cannabis vary on
a monthly, weekly, daily, and hourly basis. Whether he kept track of the
moon phase is the big question.
I'm going to ask a real live botanist about this and report back. It's
a very important point, especially when many indoor
growers use 24 hour lighting as a regular part of their program. It just
doesn't make sence that this practice doesn't
stress the plants in ways that we don't realize.
Speaking of stress, what are the pro's and con's of starting seeds in paper
until sprouted and then planting them in
medium versus soaking them in water and going directly into the medium?
There seem to be as many recipes for
starting seeds as there are for martini's.
What's your favorite?
Just curious.
TOPIC - My last post on lunacy...
DATE - 07:59:51 11/07/99
FROM - occam
So if research indicates that there is no lunar effect, why do people continue
to believe that there is?: "...many believe
in lunar myths because they have heard them repeated many times by members
of the mass media, by police officers,
nurses, doctors, social workers, and other people with influence. Once
many people believe something and enjoy a
significant amount of communal reinforcement, they get very selective about
the type of data they pay attention to in
the future. If one believes that during a full moon there is an increase
in accidents, one will notice when accidents occur
during a full moon, but be inattentive to the moon when accidents occur
at other times. If something strange happens
and there is a full moon at the time, a causal connection will be assumed.
If something strange happens and there is
no full moon, no connection is made, but the event is not seen as counterevidence
to the belief in full moon causality.
Memories get selective, and perhaps even distorted, to favor a full moon
hypothesis. A tendency to do this over time
strengthens one's belief in the relationship between the full moon and
a host of unrelated effects."
Robert Todd Carroll
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:34:58 11/07/99
FROM - Vic High
moose - a big thanks, every time I started searching I would get distracted,
haha
trelaway, and heaven forbid if that full moon cooresponds with Welfare
Wednesday!!
TOPIC - Greenhouse Seed Company Link
DATE - 02:18:35 11/07/99
FROM - Moose
nfm
Link: Greenhouse Seed Company
TOPIC - the moon, especially full ones...
DATE - 23:04:29 11/06/99
FROM - trelaway
I have a social service job that brings me in contact with group homes.
Ask group home workers about night shift on a
full moon.
TOPIC - Lunatics...
DATE - 20:40:30 11/06/99
FROM - occam
It's probably a reasonable assumption that light reflected from the moon
could make some difference in growth to
plants that were exposed. However, this doesn't account for the improvement
in cloning an indoor plant, as was
suggested.
Furthermore, three researchers examined over 100 studies on lunar effects
and concluded that the studies have failed
to show a reliable and significant correlation (i.e., one not likely due
to chance) between the full moon, or any other
phase of the moon, and each of the following:
-the homicide rate
-traffic accidents
-crisis calls to police or fire stations
-domestic violence
-births of babies
-suicide
-major disasters
-casino payout rates
-assassinations
-kidnappings
-aggression by professional hockey players
-violence in prisons
-psychiatric admissions
-agitated behavior by nursing home residents
-assaults
-gunshot wounds
-stabbings
-emergency room admissions
-behavioral outbursts of psychologically challenged rural adults
-lycanthropy
-vampirism
-alcoholism
-sleep walking
-epilepsy
Magnetism? I'll have a go at that, too, hehheh.
Anyway, do what works for you, occam.
TOPIC - Luna - ey Tuna ...
DATE - 19:30:44 11/06/99
FROM - Curious George
Does it have to be Astrology vs Astronomy ? Well, not really ... the two
have co-existed since the dawn of time. I don't
have much use for the whole "signs" bit, and assigning values to different
aspects of planetary movement, but ... keep
in mind that almost Any set of values, or systems can and will work for
X numbers of people. Almost Any type of
focused energy can and will achieve results. Think of it like another form
of I-Ching ... .
As for the phases of the Moon ... that's another story entirely. I believe
it works. As for the exact "whys" and "hows" of
the effect, I have no idea ... but suspect that it's somehow tied to the
constant movement of the ocean tides in the
primordial soup that was the source of all life. Both animal and vegetable
life began in the sea, and was bound to be
influenced on the most basic level by the rhythms of the tides, which are
caused by the gravitational pull of the moon
combined with the rotational spin of the earth.
The effects can be subtle, and vary with the season, but they do exist.
Check out the national magazines for outdoor
sportsmen. They contain Moon Charts that not only show the best days to
fish, but also the best times of the day (
both major and minor periods ), and they work in both fresh and salt water.
These charts also predict with a good
degree of accuracy the times of day that land based game animals are inclined
to be most active.
Even better, go to the botanical abstracts and search the cannabis work
of Carlton Turner in Mississippi. Since he did
a lot of long term charting, I'll bet there is something in there that
goes to the question.
As for claims that Astrology had something to do with the building of the
Pyramids, the Druid circles at Stonehendge,
or the temples of Central and South American tribes, I'll have to take
a pass. Certainly all these edifices functioned as
observatories and as very sophisticated timing devices that enabled members
of the priestood to predict the changes of
the season, eclipses, and other celestial events with a very high degree
of accuracy, but I doubt that any other forms of
divination based on the moon and stars were, are, or ever can be as effective.
Just for the record, I'm a Capricorn with Virgo rising and the Moon in Scorpio.
What does that tell you coco?
Just curious.
TOPIC - that old blue moon
DATE - 18:44:28 11/06/99
FROM - cc beans
okok Occam,
Not even a light science? Your right about tradation! It part of my old
north african ways(planting by the moon). Astrolgy
is Like chicken soup,It wouldn't hurt? ps. the planet mercury is retrograde
don't sign any contracts!
beanie
TOPIC -
DATE - 17:49:07 11/06/99
FROM - Vic High
well, I can't believe how many links are broken, this is going to take
a bit.
In the meantime, don't know how scientific it is, if at all, but farmers
have been following the lunar cycle for ages. I
guess they feel the magnetic force of the moon's gravity affects the performance
of their crops. For those plants that
are light sensitive (such as ours), I can see how timing the appearance
of the full moon could influence a plant's yield?
There must be a point where the full moon's light interupts the plant's
dark period. And there is this magnet craze
sweeping the world, my aunt is one of the nuts selling those, haha.
Link: Farmer's Alamac
TOPIC - clones
DATE - 17:26:19 11/06/99
FROM - la.bud
Kato: check your astrology tables... your moons may be outa wack
TOPIC - pseudoscience...
DATE - 16:31:54 11/06/99
FROM - occam
coco Beans: Actually, astrology is a form of divination and is not science.
Astrology is not falsifiable; it is in fact
pseudoscience.
Your argument in support of astrology is the fallacious argument from popularity
and tradition: astrology is believed by
millions of people and it has survived for thousands of years. These claims
are true, but are irrelevant to the "truth" of
astrology.
Anecdotal evidence may be interesting, but is not necessarily accurate.
When ANY peer-reviewed research is
published that demonstrates evidence that different phases of the moon
and/or relative positions of planets, etc. have a
positive or negative effect on plant growth I'll retract this post. (Unless
Vic deletes it first ;)
TOPIC - bartering for beans?
DATE - 15:54:24 11/06/99
FROM - irish
not a bad idea, but still silly as.... hey wait, i have some old sweaty
hats for trade... hmmm...maybe
TOPIC - Da Moon
DATE - 15:28:46 11/06/99
FROM - coco Beans
Supersistion has nothing to do with it . It has to do with the phases of
the moon. Farmers have been using the phases
of the moon and astrology for planting their crops for centuries. The egyptians
used astrology for creating the pyramids.
Astrology is a light science. Make a test if you have anything to clone
do it on november 8, keep a chart check it out.
-cb
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:49:36 11/06/99
FROM - Vic High
sorry, busy fixing links and finding new ones. Will reply later. Mind some
of those are too weird to reply to.
Say, greenhouse seeds link is dead and can't find a new one. Anyone have greenhouse addy?
And here is a hilarious idea for those on a budget looking for beans
http://www.freeyellow.com:8080/members7/seedtraders/
Link: Seed Traders
TOPIC - astrology????
DATE - 13:39:24 11/06/99
FROM - occam
I don't have an answer as to why Kato has a cloning problem, but I do have
a question. What is this mysterious force,
generated by the apparent differences in position of various celestial
bodies, that would have an effect on plant growth?
Or anything else, for that matter. No offence intended, but superstition
isn't going to get those clones going. Of course,
it probably won't hurt, either.
TOPIC - Kelp Meal for supersoil
DATE - 11:23:58 11/06/99
FROM - NBS
Hey vic,I went to the feed store and found=SOURCE micronutrients for horses.Its
a blend of dehydrated seaweed
meals(fucaceae,palmariaceae,gigartinaceae,bangiaceae,ulvaceae)
Analysis=salt(NaCl)max.6% Potassium(K)min2% lodine(l) 0.07%
Is this it??
TOPIC - da Moon
DATE - 09:21:29 11/06/99
FROM - coco Beans
Greetings-----
I have always used the Lunar Aspectarian tables with any of my graden or
animal breeding projects. A great book to
get is llewellyn's moon sign book.It is easy to read and has some good
moon tables in it.
The Moon is in Scorpio today a GREAT time to Prune,WATER and fertilize(organic)!
Anyway, I can tell you after many years breeding animals that there is
some thing to it. A GOOD Astrologer( not some
CRAZY TV Kenny Kingston Psychic Hotline crap)But someone that Knows astrology
can also be helpful.
The frist Quarter(increasing moon)is a good time to start cuttings. The
8 th of Nov is a PERCECT. anytime after nov 7
10.53pm , 1st quater of the moon in scorpio!!!
Moon in scorpio very Fruitful and moist.watery and feminine. also almost
as productive as Cancer!Try it what do you
have to loose? As Hand said" mark it down"! test it. I have and I find
it on the mark! some it scary. You must still
remember only Mother nature has the last call!!!
paix,beannie
TOPIC - this'll stall you'all
DATE - 23:12:49 11/05/99
FROM - hand
moon cycles old farmers trick might have some fact to it?just make a mark
on appropriat calander and see i would
guess when you first take the clone to make a mark.four cycles sounds like
it'll line up with some phase of the
moon.to fix just delay that cloning cycle slightly to a different phase
of the moon. this looked ok when i wrote it but
later it may not.i just like to play with words.i'll likely read this a
100 times befor i hit submit.
TOPIC - Stalled plants
DATE - 21:02:31 11/05/99
FROM - Kato
Hi
I posted this at CC and Overgrow and didn't have much luck. Perhaps someone here could help me out.
I've been growing for quite awhile and produce very nice buds. With paitence
and experience I have solved all problems
but one. Occasionally I will put a new set of clones in my perpetual harvest
garden and they just stall. The clones are
healthy when I put them in, I use the same method I always use, but for
some reason they just won't take off and start
growing. 3-4 weeks later the clones are still just as big as they were
when I first put them in. I've gone over everything
and can't find anything that I've done differently that could cause the
plants to stall like this. Has anyone else had this
prblem? Can anyone help me with this? TIA
TOPIC -
DATE - 15:17:10 11/05/99
FROM - stickycat
Hello has anyone any info on c99. is it sweet,I just lost my blueberry
after 5 years,and I would like to find a sweet and
yummy tasting bud is there any as sweet as blueberry
TOPIC -
DATE - 15:16:49 11/05/99
FROM - stickycat
Hello has anyone any info on c99. is it sweet,I just lost my blueberry
after 5 years,and I would like to find a sweet and
yummy tasting bud is there any as sweet as blueberry
TOPIC -
DATE - 15:00:21 11/05/99
FROM - Vic High
trelaway, I may have been misleading. I definately have not done any real
searching, sure hope you find something. I
need to spend a day or two there myself. If you see a tradesman there with
a green tape measure, say high, haha.
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:30:24 11/05/99
FROM - trelaway
Thanx Vic, that's pretty interesting. It never crossed my mind. I have
pretty regular contact with some people who deal
with seizures so maybe I'll spend an afternoon at UVic wandering thru some
medical journals.
thx.
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:07:01 11/05/99
FROM - Vic High
Trelaway - yeah I definately remember dilantin as one of the 4 pills he
was taking. It was a long time ago, so I can't
remember who the bad boys are. Just know they were killing my dad. He does
a bit of cooking with it and if he lived on
the island I could make sure he had lots of cooking material, but getting
it to Van isn't a risk I'm comfy with. I would like
to see him eat more and smoke less just for the health of his lungs. Smoking
joints like cigarettes can't be good, IMO
As for medical studies, I'm not aware of anything legit or open minded.
I can just go by my personal observations. I do
remember my dad's doctor "unofficially" suggesting that real MJ could help
his condition so there must be some
papers lurking in the medical abstracts. I have since met several epileptics
and most seem to have found their way to
smoking MJ as a way of assisting it's control. Most are still on the pills
unlike my dad who dropped them all together.
A while back, my dad came over to the island to work, and stayed with some
family where smoking isn't cool. Out of
respect for their beliefs he never touched the subject and just didn't
smoke there, inside or out. Then at work, smoking
is taboo, just not good when being in customer homes and working around
power tools. Dad was doing fine for a few
days, but after about a week, his motor skills and facial expressions started
to change in a sorta disjointed way. Kinda
like a nervous twitchyness but way more subtle, reminiscent of the old
seizure days and I knew the seizures were not
far away. Had a blunt talk with the relatives and explained what was happening.
They were actually more open than any
of us expected, and had noticed the changes as well. So smoking resumed
and all went back to normal.
TOPIC - seizures
DATE - 20:13:10 11/04/99
FROM - trelaway
Any quality studies y'all know of related to cannabis and seizures? I never
thought of cannabis as an anti-seizure med
but would like to hear a little more.
Sounds like it fits more into the dilantin category of maintenace meds?
Too bad there isn't more research into medical
mj. It'd be nice to figure out things like how the drug works for medical
issues. Like, is it the thc or some combination
of cannaboids and thc etc...esp since things like dilantin have such shitty
side effects.
Have y'all ever tried cooking it? I'm guessing the lasting slow release
would provide more control than the shorter
spikier affect of smoking.
TOPIC - Depate on Marijuana
DATE - 11:31:56 11/04/99
FROM - Ernie Cortez
I need information about related topics that include: lnformation on prohibition
on Marijuana. Please notify as soon as
possible thanks.
TOPIC - duh
DATE - 23:11:45 11/02/99
FROM - hand
dont anybody be so stuipid as to just through white stuff on the ground
where it dont belong.seen fields of white plastic
and vegtables,grapes,gardens,greenhouse,nurseys,lots of places you could
do this.every day after the first is a
bonus.when do the helicops come?
TOPIC - wimpole
DATE - 21:45:13 11/02/99
FROM - Vic High
sorry to hear you still haven't got a control for them dude. My dad was
up to a couple a day and had permanent rug
burms on his face and knuckles. To be honest, I figured he was headed to
the grave, he was falling everywhere.
Sidewalks, staircases, etc. It's amazing he didn't break his neck. I did
learn how to tell when a seizure was coming on
though, he would get a telltale facial expression. Tell him he may want
to lay down or find a soft spot like a lawn, he
would and sure as shit, he would start doing the chicken. Those were ugly
days. I still catch him having a petite mal
every now and then, but most people don't even notice, they figure he is
day dreaming or just dozy, or stoned, haha. I
hope your situation improves. I'm sure this is old news to you, but I noticed
my dad's main triggers where stress,
drinking, and a shitty diet/health. He now excercises, smokes about 3-4
oz per month, divorced my mom, stopped
smoking cigarettes, and eats more home cooking. I'm sure his sucess is
in there somewhere ;)
hand - we just went to different schools, that's all. Gotta concentrate
to figure what your saying. But this is an
international community of several cultures, so is expected.
TOPIC - your dad
DATE - 20:41:20 11/02/99
FROM - wimpole
glad he found the bud controls his seizures, i've got grand mal, smoking
doesnt totally control mine, still have 9 or 10 a
year, but it sure puts a dent in them. on the serious side my brain would
be fried by now if it wasnt for smoking.
just saw where maine passed its medical cannabis. great to see it happening
on the east coast finally. maybe it will
spread like it has on the west coast.
hope you are keeping you dad in good bud!! lol
TOPIC - How is it made ???????????
DATE - 14:14:14 11/02/99
FROM - Dog
Can anyone tell me how Black, Leb, Zero the like`s like that is made ?
Thanks in advance
TOPIC - deflate me
DATE - 14:10:59 11/02/99
FROM - hand
why does it show? are my eyes purple and my hair green? no no,i cant hit
that submit button high, very often.but that
was reason for learning this art of cultivation. may be vague,not misleading
for those who know subject.every little trick
or tip may be important to someone.never had someone to ask or even talk
to who understood the subject,take my
lumps and dont look back.its hard to post for possibly the whole world
to look at and judge,choose words carefully,no
misunderstanding for the needful.feel free to deleat anything i might post,thick
skin is asset
TOPIC - Another forum?
DATE - 10:23:38 11/02/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey, is it ok if I spam here? I have a bud who is taking over the forums
that RC put together for the A1 auction. I've
known him since I started surfing and has always been a good friend, although
a little fishy, hehe(inside joke). He
informed me today he is ready to let it rock and would like some attention
over there. Like Overgrow, Cannabis.com,
and Cannabis culture, Cannabis World has several forums to create a place
of interest to people of various growing
abilities and interests. He also has some cool ideas to make his place
unique, but will leave that to him to explain
when he figures out if they are technically feasible, hehe. This is cool
how our cannabis community just keeps
growing!!
http://www.cannabisworld.com/cgi/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro
Oh, I think I will be a temperary moderator there while it's getting off
the ground, but my heart is here so hopefully
someone will replace me soon ;)
wimpole - seizures? you talking epilepsy dude? My dad has suffered from
that his whole life, but it was never a real
problem until he became an unstanding citizen and playing the role society
expected of him (less smoking). Thsi still
wasn't too bad, only suffered petite mal seizures, but then some quack
diagnosed him and felt a need to treat his
"problem". Well that is when shit hit the fan and the grand mals (flipping
and flopping) started happening (his late 20s).
The docs kept throwing more and more drugs at him (he was on 4 epilepsy
drugs at the end) and he turned into a
walking zombie who was always having seizures. Then he learned one of the
drugs was just a clinical form of THC, so
started smoking again and killed that pill. Things improved, so he weaned
himself off of all but the weed. His health and
life returned (minus the marriage to my mom) and can again function in
society without worrying about the next
seizure. Hasn't had a seizure in over 10 years.
Mzzmo - I'm growing a seed crop, not a sinse crop, haha. nah, only the
romulan buds are still growing at a steady
pace, the others have slowed considerably. Crystals show that C99 is past
it's prime even though the plants look like
they have a ways to go. sizes at flip time are posted below.
Peaceful peasant - growing small plants and big plants are completely different
ball games. Still learning this small
plant deal, but don't like it in the least, seems like a waste of space
and time. But maybe that will change as my
learning increases, hehe.
For big plants, you can get away with less light intensity and parabolic
reflectors are way more efficient than horizontal.
However, one very big concern, regardless of pot size is root developement
is root developement. Many of us have
observed this, but Oldtimer is the fella here who has documented it. He
has a writeup on it someplace in the archives. I
had extremely good success with low light intensity (25-30 watts) using
a mixed spectrum on a suncircle. Many of the
comercial growers using large plants and stationary lights will bag the
reflectors and simply hang the lights between
the plants. Whatever you do, always keep in mind that your most productive
canopy will be withing 3-4 feet of your
lights, so you want to manipute things so as much canopy as possible falls
into this area. If you want to maximize
efficiency, you will need a dedicated veg room and move to the perpetual
harvest method. 1K veg should be able to
support a 5-6 K flower room in a perpetual harvest setup. This way you
can get a complete harvest from the flower room
every 8 weeks or whatever your flowering period is. Then your flower room
will never have any down time or dead space
waiting for the small plants to become big ;) And bigger plants/roots does
equal bigger buds!!
hand - whatcha smoking dude? looks like more than weed!! haha
Link: Cannabis World Online!!
TOPIC - Vic/c99
DATE - 08:03:30 11/02/99
FROM - Mzzmo
I read a ways down. you have been growing c99, and i noticed you let it
go til day 60? did it seem to grow any more
past the day 49, and, how tall was she when you induced her, and what was
the yield from one plant, (estimate).
Thanx
TOPIC - Very large pots
DATE - 02:23:40 11/02/99
FROM - Peaceful Peasant
Hey Vic
I really want to lower the amount of plants that I have in my garden and
have been thinking of using bigger pots (12
gals) to grow fewer bigger plants. I remember you used to grow in 10 gal
pots. I was hoping you, or anyone else who
has any experience in this area, could answer a few questions's for me.
How long did you let the plants veg and how
big did you let the get before you put them into flowering. What was the
point of diminishing returns? What size did
they finish at and what were your yields? TIA.
TOPIC - sativa woes
DATE - 21:58:32 11/01/99
FROM - hand
the southern growers are pulling males and crushing seeds.hence hermies
grrr.can anyone grow a bag sativa inside to
equal the original i'd like the recipe.i did stop discarding them outright,as
they pass on there good qualitys to there
hybred children.missed a lot of good crosses till this sank in.kick me
kick me.now good sats are harder to find.after
contemplating our english brothers outdoor problems ive come to the conclusion
that genetics alone is not the answer,
its there rotten weather just how many days of sunshine do you average
in a growing season?average temps too?the
only thing to help is to take indoor tricks outside.this wont work for
everyone sorry.too start, area for grow must be in
open field,max hours sunshine.use five gallon black buckets,to max root
temps.cover ground area with white
anything,to max refection of sun there is.short refective wall on north
maybe,use fastest showing cuttings,cuttings beat
seeds to finish every time.do not top,create drought conditions once flowering
starts,choose a fast thin hybred.cross
fingers.ot1 your outdoor observations show how cannib.survives extreme
and varied conditions without genetic change.if
you took a cutting off all of them and brought them back in they would
be as they always were.if you could by chance
produce seed on them outside,you would see just how fast genetic + enviorment
work to change them,by planting
those seeds outside.not a pretty sight.sept 1 finish is not a problem with
good conditions and right plant.expound if
needed.
TOPIC - my garden gawd vic!!
DATE - 21:32:12 11/01/99
FROM - wimpole
as some may know my wife wont let me grow at the house. one of my trustworthy
kin folks told me he would rent me a
storage building no questions asked for 50 a month. he sails most of the
year and wants someone in and out and
check on his place while he's gone. works good. i'm working with some of
souls in and out right now. gotta say got a
few that are looking good. two plants i cant figure out though. growing
like a sativa but has huge leaves. 7 blades on
the first set of fans. about as wide as my hand "kick ass odor to. the
rest are regular looking sat and indica mixes.
since i'm just getting started again i'm growing bush so i can take some
clones and get started with scrog grows. i'm
hoping to get a good mother out of this bunch. then i'm going with the
nc5aXwhite widow and the northern fantasy from
the auction.
i've been growing veggies with organics and went that route with my grow.
"love organics so easy" it has been a couple
of years since i planted and it sure is feeling good. i decided to grow
with a 400 hps, not interested in anything but
personal stash. using two cabinets. one for mothers and one for my scrog.
nothing fancy to say the least. tell you the
truth i'm not that heavy of a smoker. i'm trying to keep my seizures down
and some pain away. a couple of doobies a
day is enough to stay sane and keep some of the flipping and flopping away.
gotta say my if it weren't for my favorite
cuz, i wouldn't have a grow and the crazy thing is he doesn't smoke but
he believes me when i say i use it for my
health. cool dude. should be ready to take clones in a couple of weeks
then i'm going to flower the rest and start the
weeding out process. my setup is a lot like scw's except i'm not going
hydro. well vic thats my garden pretty weak
compared to guys like you and the others here. gonna get stoned though
thats all that matters.
TOPIC - Pure Sats...
DATE - 16:58:21 11/01/99
FROM - Moonshine
I recently saw a documentary about a tribe in Zaire....they were always
smoking these little pipes and the narrator
made a point of talking about their smoking sessions....they would all
smoke up and then go climb these huge trees to
collect their only source of sweetness..Honey.Then they would sit around
and munch crazily on all this goo.....now if
that isnt a pure sat then i dont know what is.....climbing these amazingly
tall trees in search of good munch.....i like
the idea of all these unknown forest strains....
BTW recently asked Tony from Sag about any hawaiians they may be doing
....he said they were more interested in
keeping up the current menu but it was a personal favourite of his and
that they were slowly working with some for the
future.....i'm still looking for an exceptional haw. to work with indoors...any
ideas..thanks :)
TOPIC - Oh yeah...
DATE - 13:32:38 11/01/99
FROM - Soul
Vic_~ Thanks for the KIND words my friend. Actually, I do have F2 seed
from my female D/T and one of her
brothers...this makes a much better starting point for the re-creation
of the Durban Thai Highflyer. When I get the
opportunity, I'll germ them in search of a male. None of the original D/T
males survived. I may be able to get a few pics
of the D/T female in full flower posted in a month or so.
TOPIC - hey! I found my way home!!
DATE - 08:05:53 11/01/99
FROM - Vic High
Long time no post, anything happen while I was gone? lala
Soul - So that's what those beans from the auction are!! heh heh ;) Yeah
I had a few from that same buddy but not
enough to seriously play with. I would like to collect as many as possible
and then sift through these F2's and try and
rebuild a replica of the original DTHF. Lots of work, and it will take
patience and time, but I think something the
community could enjoy. Pictures would go a long way in helping me define
my directions, hint hint ;) Say, a good
project for you would be to grow out those DTHH and cross the best half
dozen males back to your DTHF clone. Those
backcrosses could be valuable to a few of us that know what to do with
them, wink wink. Any may offer an alternate
route to select from than a DTC99 backcross, I figure that is where your
headed? hehe.
Soul - good move on getting that shit off US soil bro, the added coin wasn't
worth the risk IMO. And had a few of us
more than concerned.
esay420 - I think those are sold out on all fronts. The suprises were a
mistake that I was going to toss, but a few
friends set me straight and said it would be better to share, glad I listened
to them, they were recieved better than I
expected. I have a few more of the romulan strawberry blonde (RSB) left
to play with, but plan to wait and see what
Spice of Life has up their sleeves. Genetics are more theirs, so no need
to step on their toes, if they are back in the
game, haha. A cross to my romulan (different than the one used in RSB may
be something to play with though.
CG - Yep, I know the odds, that why I want as many as I can get my hands
on. Besides, I'm curious too!! have a good
one!
wimpole - we thought it was your turn to contribute what your working on ;) lets hear about your garden dude.
Wadsworth - when it comes to developing film, communication is the key.
Just go into a smaller owner operator outfit
and ask to speak to the owner or manager. Simply tell that person you have
some film with cannabis pictures on it.
Ask if it will be a problem. If it is, they will tell you, but this has
never happened to me. They want your business and
it's not like it's child porn or anything. Asian operations tend to be
very open minded in these things, haha. Just avoid
suprises and placing people in an awkward position. Last thing you need
is to drop the film at a large chain and have
some anal retentive panic and phone the cops. It will be your fault for
putting them in that position in the first place. Oh
yeah, give fake name and stuff of course, haha.
Spaz - how many wings did the little black bug have? Wasps will have 4,
while flies and true bugs will have 2. But this
is mute, I doubt whether they will have any effect on a thrips population
indoors, I think the lights would keep the wasp
population very low. Predators that can't fly are your best bet.
well, I know I missed loads down there, but can only do so much, haha.
If I missed anything pressing, just repost I
guess ;)
Oh and I spent an extended time in the garden yesterday, day 61 of 12/12
and many of the beans are ripening nicely,
but many more have a long way to go, so gave them a shot of a nicely balanced
organic meal. They will probably go 90
days I suspect. Blew a role of film on them, and made notes this time of
what was what, haha. As for yield and vigour,
C99 is the clear winner this time around, her extra stretching really paid
off. Romulan hates this closet setup and just
won't expand the way it does in the bigger rooms, but she does have another
10-14 days to go. But then, P75 didn't
like the big room, so I guess they all have their favourite niches, haha.
Oh and what's all this talk of C99 needed lots of
nutes? At day 60, she still has most of her shade leaves (and they're green)
while G13 and romulan have yellowed and
died. I'll try to make some actual notes on the entire garden.
TOPIC - There's Durban/Thai and there's...
DATE - 05:51:20 11/01/99
FROM - Soul
GG_~ I liked your hint...
Sensi_~ Original SSSC Durban/Thai Highflyer seed is totally RARE nowadays...I
know of NO ONE who has the original
beans anymore. The seeds you're referring to are from the A-1 auction,
right? - THOSE are hybrids of Durban/Thai
crossed to NL#5/Sk#1 x Hawaiian...the breeder (my buddy) calls the cross
Durban Thai Home Hybrid, or DTHH. I had
50 from this generous friend & he even gave me his last 7 original
Durban Thai seeds (11 years old), which is how I got
my special D/T lady. I repay him by giving him seeds of crosses I make
with her.
Curious Geo_~ The difference is Bros Grimm are now strictly wholesale. Heaven's Stairway is their exclusive retailer.
The original SSSC Durban/Thai cross is one of my personal favourites that
I grew back in the 80s - I know that the
mother was the Thai and she came from the fourth generation of selecting
individuals which best suited indoor
cultivation. This Thai mama was SWEET, I'm sure it's the the Thai you remember
(circa 1977?) with a head trip high? I
now have a SUPERB female D/T that I flower clones from. I really wish you
could see/smoke this plant! In 8-9 weeks of
12/12 she's ripe...a really FAST Sativa because of the Durban influence,
the ripening buds smell like foot
perspiration...really FUNKY. Thankfully, the weed cures to a delicious
licorice scent/flavour and is wickedly cerebral.
DTC99 resulted from pollinating THIS female with my best C99 male.
The above is not an advert, just info requested below. :)
{"8^)_~ Peas y'all!
TOPIC - D/T and S.S.S.C., or should I just say...
DATE - 21:55:06 10/31/99
FROM - GGreen
Those Durban/Thai mommas were propagated by a lucky grower who found and
grew out 10 year old beans. The seeds
were the original Durban/Thai High Flyer's from the Super Sativa Seed Club
in Amsterdam. I think they went to Africa to
find the perfect Sativa genetics for the Durban, but I'm not entirely sure
about the Thai. I heard the Thai had an
uncommonly sweet fragrance, but that doesn't give me any help as I'm ignorant
to pure Sativas. I've never had the
pleasure. LOL. The grower said the D/T HF smelled like anise, almost licorice
smelling. Yum. It should be incredibly
psychoactive, that's all I know! Well, I hope that quells your thirst for
some info on the D/T... {"8^)_~~~ ahemm, âme de
Monsieur... aah had a frog in my throat. uhhaaaaacccumm sorry. not trying
to put anyone on the spot here. hehe.
~GG
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