This is the archives from the BC Growers Message Board
TOPIC - grapefruit
DATE - 10:01:03 12/01/99
FROM - Gfruit
I just have to ask this and Im sure Ill get no answer .But never hurts
to try..first off We are kind of upset that we found
that some one has already developed a grapefruit strain.because up until
a few days ago when we found your site and
read that grapefruit was one of grower3's favorite strains..we WERE trying
to developing grapefruit in fact we kind of
accidentaly stumbled on it from seeds that were accidentaly made by a hermie
excaping our eyes the only prob is that
we
lost the records of what strain the hermie was and didnt think to make
a mother cause we didnt know it was going to
turn so wonderfully grapefruit..(we expirement loosly alot-I know its our
own stupid fault))all we know is its VERY
predominatly sativa with a moderate yield .and if this isnt the kicker
it was polinated with another unknown Indica
hermie so we have these mystery grapefruit X ? seeds that we are making
a mother with..we will of course post the
results now that we'v found you all.the point of all this is, Is there
any way in hell that we can at least have a little tiny
weenie hint of what the recepie is. we are hooked on the g-fruite..and
would love to stabilize t
TOPIC - nexus
DATE - 16:38:46 11/30/99
FROM - trelaway
not familiar with the stuff but I just smoked some bud neem was used on.
The guy'd discontinued use ~ month b4
harvest. Smoked fine, we're all still alive. Weekly should be okay. A
Wow...just heard Seattle had been declared a state of emergency (or one
of those 'cops clamping down' phrases)and a
curfew may be imposed. I think they've even loaded thier guns with rubber
bullets. It's too bad that something useful,
like WTO bashing, just turns into a mob scene.
I have an anon email: trelaway@mailcity.com
TOPIC - trelaway
DATE - 20:53:14 11/29/99
FROM - nexus
Well instead of avid i went to a nursey and bought this stuff calld Saf-t-side
by montery its a oil misxute that u dilute
into water and after a few time of using it it kills them off ,have u heard
anything about this? (there web site is
www.monterelylawngerden.com) the guy said this stuff is kinof like neem-oil
just not all organic but its preaty clean ,
also it does not spay when to spray it on 4-5dyas? soo i guess i willspary
them every week or so?
hey whats your e-mail?
TOPIC - nexus
DATE - 19:15:36 11/29/99
FROM - trelaway
from what I've read, avid will simply kill them all--problem solved. The
soap/pesticide mixture only really works if yer
diligent in it's use. It should be done every five days but weekly is all
I can do--even with that I managed to rid myself of
them in about two months. A hassle really; if I'd had a larger (esp. commercial)
grow I wouldn't have played this long
with them.
TOPIC - Jeb's request
DATE - 10:57:27 11/29/99
FROM - Skinman
GH Bloom 0-5-4
GH Gro 2-1-6
GH Micro 5-0-1
Hope this helps in your quest for the proper #s.
TOPIC - have ya
DATE - 23:02:44 11/28/99
FROM - bandog
Has anyone heard of sweet skunk afghani or maple ridge rhino?
TOPIC - trelaway
DATE - 22:49:54 11/28/99
FROM - nexus
Well i am preaty sure its the mites but since last night i soaped them
they seem to be looking a littebetter , I know its
not ph becuase i have 7.0 for ph and i know its not defencity because i
use a special tes of liquid sea kelp, pure blend
grow & bloom, also fox farm grow & bloom mix. I also ordered some
avid and that should hopefully kill them all , but for
now i sprayed them with soap is that really effiective?
TOPIC - nexus
DATE - 20:11:13 11/28/99
FROM - trelaway
pyrethrum/soap mixtures are pretty common at any nursery or garden supply
store.
If yer whole plant is a faded lite green, almost yellow, it does sound
like yer plant's not got enuf N, either not enuf there
or, maybe, ph reasons.
fish ferts are a great supplement for a lack of N.
TOPIC - Hydro / Soil Hybrid?
DATE - 18:24:23 11/28/99
FROM - Curious George
Thanks for the outline Lothar.
Do those long roots just dangle there in the air below the mesh or is the
bottom a sealed unit where the fluid is pumped
back out? Is it tricky to get the roots out the mesh without tearing them
up? This seems to be an entirely hydro trip.
Having large roots and short stature prior to flower sounds like a winning
SOG recipe.
So, after 2 or 3 weeks in the blaster before being transplanted, how long
do they take to finish in the flower room, and
how does the Total time to finish, and the yield compare with your previous
results with the same strains?
Transplanting root-blasted clones into 1 - 2 gallon pots of soil mix would
be interesting.
It would retain some of the best features of both styles of growing, a
hybrid approach to SOG. Soil and hydro, HID
lighting and fluoros.
You'd get the benefit of having just a small hydro set-up, with as little
of the bottled nutrients and the ph and ppm
monitoring and all that techie stuff as possible, and then finish up with
the cheaper, natural, low-tech soil mix.
Does that sound feasible?
Just curious.
TOPIC - GF
DATE - 09:51:03 11/28/99
FROM - KQ
heeheehee, Lothar, we like the original GF down here too.
Someone was telling me that it was the defective one, but not as far as
I can tell! I guess the defective one stops
flowering at 4 weeks or some such thing.
Currently got it knocked up with ABC dust.
TOPIC -
DATE - 02:00:14 11/28/99
FROM - Lothar
As dan kass Wrote
"GF= Grapefruit
X= Brand X
both I believe are local BC strains."
Exactly both BC strains....rumour says that X was gotten from a University
in Hawaii Who knows for sure
And as for MY GF Well well well only a few of us with the original left
(if I may take a moment to brag) You may have
heard of Sweet Pink Grapefruit some people call it just GF this is not
so GF is the MAMA from which a long list of
children where nurtured, haveing THE original is well an honer so to speek.
Now to the Root Blaster rig
Flos X 4
1- warm
1- cool
2-grow types --umm the ones with the swirl down them
medium - hydroton = the expanded clay pellits
container 4" mesh bottomed pots (same size that fits flower room so I just pick um up and drop em in the holes)
clones are made in oasis as soon as roots appear put them in the pots cover with hydroton
The table is 2'x 4'
I built a frame which I covered with mesh wire to fit ontop of the table
to create an air space of about 6" from the bottom
of the pots to the table--this had the effect of makeing the roots grow
directly out of the bottom of the pot rather from
out of the sides of the pots (better and easier to pull them in and out
of the individual holes in the flower room)
From there its just a 150 gph pump into a header with regular speghetti
line drip emiters 1 per pot
My guess is that the time in the root blaster does count as veg time so
I guess you can say that I went from 6-8 days
of veg to about 2 - 3 weeks of veg ha ha.
When I place them in the flower room well lets see GF goes in at about
8 inches and X about a foot (roots are all over a
foot long as well)
The beauty about this system is that the veg growth is slow and bye keeping
the feedings light you can prolong the
time just incase you need more time for your flowers. anouther thing is
you can build up the formula strength before
you put them in the main room- about 6 days before I place them in the
flower room I leach them for 3 days then start
my flower formula 1/2 strength for 2 days add more on the 3rd day and next
day I put them in the flower room fully
nutreint adjusted.
please feel free to ask any questions at all
Oh how I happend to be a holder of an Original GF, A freind named Steve gave it to me himself a few years ago.
TOPIC - trelaway
DATE - 19:22:34 11/27/99
FROM - nexus
hey trelaway thanks where can i get that product at , My leaves are yellow
is becuase i first throught this was a fert
problem but then i was reading about mites and found out it was a mite
problem, i hope i can save my plants all the
c99's are a pale green yellow ish and the mr.nices are not as bad , but
tonight i think i will spray them with some soap,
then tommarow i will pick up something , they are also spreading to my
g-13xFW's (very worried becuase i have some
great strains) oh yeah it seams its just strating to affect the GFW...
peace out
TOPIC - nexus
DATE - 18:28:06 11/27/99
FROM - trelaway
I have good success with pyrethrum/soap mixtures. Trounce, by Safer's,
is a brand name. If yer still in Veg this'll be
easy--just truck them to the bathtub and douse them with a misting bottle
(soil should be fairly wet first) concentrating
on the underside of the leaves. Let sit for ~ ten minutes and mist again
with just water til the leaves are dripping wet.
Be careful on the bigger plants, they may tip over with the extra water
weight. Do this weekly. If the budz have formed
on flowering plants, wipe the underside of the fan leaves with a trounce
soaked sponge weekly, taking care to not get
the pesticide on the flowers.
Yellowing lower leaves could be a few things. If ph is okay, you've been
letting the soil dry between waterings, and the
yellowing is a general fade--they likely just need a dose of higher N fert.
TOPIC - HELP !!
DATE - 16:26:41 11/27/99
FROM - nexus
My leaves on mostly the bottom of the plant are yellow and dieing and other
are a green yellow with white stuff webs on
the leaves and black spots also what can i do my plants are slowly dieing
(mr.nices and c99s) i want to try to get rid of
the bugs organicly if i could but if not what can i do? i really dont have
time to do mail order but if i have i will but what
can i pick up at homebase,orchid, gardening shops ect...
TOPIC - Curious George
DATE - 22:07:54 11/26/99
FROM - dan kass
GF= Grapefruit
X= Brand X
both I believe are local BC strains.
DK
TOPIC - Root Blaster questions and Necrosis addendum
DATE - 19:48:38 11/26/99
FROM - Curious George
Lothar, old boy, you have certainly piqued our interest . A complete A
- Z explanation is certainly in order. If you're
using a drip system for clones, in what kind of medium and in how large
a container? What is the basis of the "X" ... ?
Does it just mean your personal cross, or something else? Doesn't the time
spent getting the roots "blasted" count as
veg time? How tall are the clones when they go to the flower room? And
by the way, what's "GF"? Inquiring minds want
to know!
Occam: I should have been more specific with that last question. I don't
know why I asked about the "frozen dead",
since I've had some experience that way in the distant past and it's just
as you described. What I was really interested
in was those stories we used to hear about plants that were allowed to
grow seedless in warm climates until they died.
What happens to them? Has anyone let an indoor plant go that long?
Just curious.
TOPIC - hey lothar
DATE - 08:30:16 11/26/99
FROM - oldcowboy
any way i could get you to expound a little on the root blaster rig you
are running?some help could be used on keeping
things lower to the horizon for periods of 4 to 6 weeks,it would sure make
things a lot less needful of attention.
later
TOPIC -
DATE - 02:23:38 11/26/99
FROM - Lothar
Vic: Just a note to say hi
I just developed a little system I call the "root blaster" This thing works
wonders all it is is a drip system under flos...I
get to keep my plants very short and get outstanding root growth, then
when I flip them into the Flower room no veg
time needed
First time Ive done a whole room of my "X" and I must say I am sooooo impressed
Probubly The Best SOG plant Ive
ever seen just one large Cola I mean Large 16" long bout the width of a
coke can and its got 2.5 weeks to go, The few
Ive topped Twin nicely (like haveing 2 plants) same size as the single
cola plants.
Did a GF crop last time be interesting to see who yeilds better, I must
admit though the GF is better than X but the
girls seem to like the X better Whatever both are deadly smoken
Have you heard of "R2" ???? New clone going around Don't know anything
about it but Im doin a whole crop next turn
around went in the root blaster today.
I Got a favor to ask you if your traveling any time sooner or later...Need
a male plant (a good one) going to Cross it with
X and Probubly one called Real MaCoy not my project...and not a seed bank
thing more in the lines of a science
experiment.
And if we meet up remind me about Amsterdam and we will chat some intresting
stuff.
Any how long time but I am Unimployed for real this time till after Xmas
so chat soon K email me
TOPIC -
DATE - 00:51:29 11/26/99
FROM - Jebediah
Howdy. Can someone who has any of the following General Hydroponics fertilizers
please look on the side label and
tell me the NPK values (%)? The reason I need to know is because these
fertilisers are not available where I am, and I
need to make up an equivalent mixture to that on the laughing-moon clone
handy hints page.
Flora grow
Flora micro
Flora Bloom
Pure Blend growth formula
Your assistance is most appreciated.
TOPIC - Hey there...
DATE - 23:08:32 11/25/99
FROM - Bongblaster
Hey Vic ...just a note to say hello ...think ill have your jacket here
soon........Ncga mailed it with my stuff...
TOPIC - The post below mine
DATE - 16:38:38 11/25/99
FROM - Pusherbetty
Now this has got to be a mistake. LOL you don't really think she wants
information on what we are growing to hand out
to the kids!
Vic, don't you dare!
Betty
TOPIC - Teen Wellness Conference
DATE - 13:46:21 11/25/99
FROM - Mrs. Marilyn Kuss
Dear BC Growers Association -
I know that this is not the correct address but I couldn't see what I needed.
I hope that you will pass this along to the
appropriate people.
I am writing to request BC Growers Association's participation in our Teen Wellness Conference.
While financial assistance is always appreciated, we could also use help
with brochures and hand-outs for distribution
at a booth. Also, we are interested in recipes that provide quick and easy
healthy eating for teens who are juggling
school and jobs and other activities.
Finally, we would appreciate any ideas you could give us as to who to contact for similar support.
Yours truly
Marilyn Kuss
TOPIC - Natural death in the Great White North
DATE - 07:49:30 11/25/99
FROM - occam
Curious George... probably a bit more extreme than you had in mind, but...
Afoaf once inadvertently let a few plants die in the snow. Put out in May,
by the end of Nov. there was 6" of snow at
that altitude. 2 plants were compost, laying horizontal with a few decomposing
branches sticking out of the snow. One
6 foot female had not fallen over; large leaves and 50% of the flowers
were dead and decomposing. Salvaged the
remaining 50%. Wasn't great. Looked fine, no odor, somewhat metallic flavor,
hardly noticeable buzz.
occam.
TOPIC - thanks
DATE - 22:12:50 11/24/99
FROM - irish
thanks perp....
and everyone, watch out for the tryptophan deetee's on friday.
TOPIC - spooks
DATE - 19:33:55 11/24/99
FROM - Perp
irish...Happy T-Day to you and All!
I believe that info monitor base is in Great Britain, jus' down the street
from Weedseed.
TOPIC - vancouver island
DATE - 16:21:43 11/24/99
FROM - trelaway
heard thru the grapevine that there's been some new federal money thrown
around in Victoria targeting indoor grows.
Apparently BC hydro is in on the plan.
anyone else heard anything? Last I heard, cops were facing budget cuts
like everyone else.
TOPIC - Genetic Heritage etc.
DATE - 18:08:57 11/23/99
FROM - Curious George
In the weekly "Science Times" section of the 11/23/99 issue of the N.Y.
Times, is a very interesting article on the
genetic code of wine grapes. Since both cannabis and wine grapes have been
cultivated for thousands of years, many
of the same issues of lineage seem to apply.
"There are at least 5,000 varieties of wine grape in the world, several
of which have been grown at least since Roman
times."
"Though wild grapes come in male and female forms that breed sexually,
those in vinyards are usually propagated by
hand from rootstock, so that in principle each new vine is a clone ...
identical to its' parent. ... Types believed to be very
ancient, like pinot, have not had sex for some 2,000 years, yet varieties
of pinot exist, their genetic variation
presumably caused just by mutation."
Evidently, a researcher at U. C. Davis has done DNA analysis of wine grapes
and achieved some surprising results as
far as the lineage was concerned.
The point being that the same sort of analysis could be done on cannabis,
especially New World varieties, to
determine where they originated, and where they mutated. To the best of
my knowledge, the herb came to the Western
Hemisphere via African slaves and indentured East Indian workers and then
spread through Mexico, Central, and South
America.
We know that over the past two centuries, many regional varieties took
hold, and even within Mexico there was wide
variation. It would be very interesting for some enlightened individual
with the equipment, training, and experience in
DNA research, to begin the "Cannabis Genome Project" and lift the veil
of mystery from the hybrids of the West, as
well as from some of the presumably "pure" srains of Africa and Asia.
If the experience of the wine grapes is any indication, we are in for more than a few surprises.
In the meantime ... pass the joint.
Has any one had experience with letting nature take it's course and allowing
a plant to complete it's life-cycle by
growing until it dies either from a cold snap or "old age"?
How does it effect the taste, potency, and quality of the buzz?
Just curious.
TOPIC - damn strange. internet post related.
DATE - 16:34:56 11/23/99
FROM - irish
check it out if you get a chance. a man is banned from posting on the net.
turned in by australian government worker,
to seattle police...
wasn't there a "spookbuster" kind of post which had said the US monitors
all communication from a base in
australia?...
i am not worried about this, but i thought it was interesting. the guy had made threats to the seattle police.
just note the part where "if threats are made..." expect a phone call.
kind of like mentioning explosives on planes. uh
oh did i say that?...hehe.
Link: internet policing by courts
TOPIC -
DATE - 04:11:18 11/23/99
FROM - Søren lLøvfelt Larsen
I love hemp..
TOPIC - mites
DATE - 19:42:01 11/22/99
FROM - trelaway
a note to those interested. It is possible to rid yerself of mites using
pyrethrum/soap. I have an admittedly small grow
that's easy to work with but after about eight weekly spray's on mom/clones
they were gone. It's been a month since
the last spraying and no borg.
trel
TOPIC - Male musk
DATE - 14:34:25 11/22/99
FROM - Skinman
Been lurking daily but my daily life hasn't left much time to post much
lately. Saw a few things that got me thinking
and just had to post some mental gymnastics that occurred to me.
Pretty interesting train of thought concerning the scent of the males.
Is this scent picked up on by the females in the
area? If so, what is the affect on them? Could this scent be produced in
a spray or aeresol form, and if so would the
effect to the females be a desirable one?
I guess my line of thought here is a holistic one from the plant's view.
If we can actually provide for them as Mother
Nature does so completely, then would the outcome be a more potent product,
and does a happier plant transfer to a
happier buzz?
Hope this can fuel some new topics for discussion if anyone is interested in bending the bean a bit.
A quick Hello to Pi and Ru hope you guys are doing well and YES Ru I'm
about to soil myself waiting for our trip in
December. Can't wait to see the Dam in person Brah! Good to know I have
a brother for a guide.
Skinman out but never down!
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:15:31 11/22/99
FROM - oldtimer1
loop_hole the final clone mum was only now being selected, unfortunately
last week it was found that the timer was
sticking and the so called 12/12 was any thing from 12/12 to 24/0 this
has now been rectified but makes the results
null and void as far as clone times and yield are concerned so a new grow
is going to have to be done. The final yield
for this grow will drop a bit as far as this grow is concerned. Iím going
to take a look tomorrow will take some picks but
they wont be representative as far as the time flowering is concerned.
What other info do you want? I will do my best to
answer you! Iím not in the seed business but have had very good feedback
on this cross from friends around the net.
So when A_1 went down, I put up a some to give A_1 some early funds also
to give folks a chance at some cheap sat
dominant genetics. From feedback and my own experience it has a couple
of faults firstly it produces slightly more
males than fems. Secondly the fems fall into two finish times of 8 weeks
and 10 weeks. Both have a good up high but
the later ones are much stronger, They like plenty of light and do better
if there is some halide in the lighting mix to the
end, this may be due to the equatorial in the genetic makeup. Hope this
helps a bit
All the best Ot1.
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:57:36 11/22/99
FROM - loop_hole
Evil one
Glad to see you back on your feet. Lost your e-mail addy during a hasty
purging of my address book. Iím still at hot
mail, so feel free to drop me a line. Havenít been taking part in the forums
much myself lately, staying pretty low key.
RE: leaf trimming. Last year I did a quick experiment on trimming some
of the larger/older leaves off a crop off shisk.
Half the room I trimmed and left the other half alone. Donít have my notes
here but If I remember correctly, I got a gram
or two more per plant (3 per foot) than the untrimmed. Donít forget that
the shisk has some of the largest leaves Iíve
ever seen even dwarfing the romberry. Tried the same thing on my NL x Hawaiian
and she didnít like that at all.
Vic: how are your UV experiments going?
OT1: any more info on the ESB would be appreciated.
TOPIC - Hi all!
DATE - 22:52:45 11/21/99
FROM - Dr. Evil
Just a note to say hi to everyone. Been lurking occasionally, but do to
circumstances beyond my control, forum
participation would have been indiscete until certain matters resolved
themselves. I'll be happy to elaborate to those
who are interested, but posting details here would also be indiscrete.
Real life was getting too real for a while is all I'll
say here. Enough about that for now.
Vic: I'd like to help any way I can with either the A-1 or M.G. situations.
I realize I'm late on the trigger with the A-1
auction and all (my own problems began shortly after A-1's). I am however
even more sympathetic than most to both
causes, due to some of my recent experiences. If you get an opportunity
to, drop me a line, I'll help in whatever
capacity that is appropriate.
P.S. You mentioned being concerned about smell during power outages over
at cann. world (would respond there, but I
just registered tonight, went to retrieve my password and found that my
mail service is down till sometime tommorrow).
What about connecting a flourescent ozone tube up to a computer type UPS
so that it will continue to run during
outages. Flo' tubes don't draw that much wattage, so it should be able
to stay running for quite a while. Just a thought.
be safe
Dr. Evil
TOPIC - People for the Ethical Treatment of Cannabis?
DATE - 17:54:29 11/21/99
FROM - Curious George
Funktified might have a point about "tampering with mother nature". When
husbandry seeks to stem the natural
procession of breeding, could it be part of the "secret life of plants"
that the Cannabis females production of more THC
is only a by-product of turning on their little hemp vibrators while seeking
to alleviate their severe sexual frustration?
Could we be guilty of inducing a neurosis in these poor, defenseless plants?
Do we have a duty to give the plants some
sort of therapy, to help them overcome this artificially induced handicap?
( We can't ask the plants themselves, since discussion of breeeding and
seeds in polite hemp socety is probably
considered to be in very poor taste.)
Plants are very complex, and react in ways that can't always be accurately
quantified. Simply stated: We play with
them ... they play with us. It all works out.
Vic, do you consume the plant material of the seed plants that you grow?
Except for the increased THC per unit of
weight, how is it different ( if at all ) from the stone of the same plant
cloned and grown seedless?
Just curious.
TOPIC - avid
DATE - 07:37:10 11/21/99
FROM - champ
Howdy,scored some avid and sprayed last night .one question i have ,what
is the point in spraying the walls floors etc.i
sprayed liberally all around by the way,im just wondering what spraying
inanimate objects does for the cause of
eliminating the borg.
later
TOPIC - la bluberry ce magnific!
DATE - 21:54:50 11/20/99
FROM - coco Beans
Ms B, the sounds of your blueberry is wonderbar!
also your discription of a male is right on!the clean teeth that's a hard
one in europe! hehe
is anyone out there sensitive to the mites? like do they give you the itch?I
have used the avid on avs and it does work.
do a blueberry for me I need a good laugh!well back to work I go! beannie
TOPIC - Bunch of Stuff
DATE - 18:44:08 11/20/99
FROM - PusherBetty
Psycho - I too used to sniff the B.O. of the male species before going
out on a date with them. If they smelled good,
had clean teeth, pretty eyes, and a good heart, I went out with them. If
the B.O. was unbearable, well, then there was
no need for us to even move towards finding out how sticky he was or could
get. (Sorry, no harm intended, just couldn't
pass that one up babe!)
The Borg is back! Avid is the only thing that works guys, neem oil will
hold em off, kelthane will do the same, but to kill
them DEAD, you gotta use the AVID.
I am giggling my arse off like back when I was 16. Just smoked some of
my CAREFULLY cured Blueberry x G13 x
Northern Lights. The blueberry smell is so potent it makes my mouth water,
and the TASTE!
MMmmmmmmmooooooouuuuuuuaaaahhhhh, or however the Italians do it when then
kiss their fingers and do that
thing when something is magnifico!
Ok, enough babbling, time for some more Blueberries.
Betty
TOPIC - A question for Vic.
DATE - 16:56:24 11/19/99
FROM - Psycho
funkdified: I subscribe to the school of thought that you must balance
the competing interests. I.e. just remove a very
few pairs up top of the plant, if you are growing without tying down or
clipping tops. Of course, tying the plant is a better
option.
Also, I agree with you. This board is superior.
Vic: I have come to an observation I would like your input on. I like to
breed my own seed, improving the strains that I
buy. This is great fun, except for the evaluation of males for breeding.
But, I have been noticing something that never
appears to fail. In terms of potency, the best plants always give off that
certain aroma. Y'know, the plant gets to four
weeks and older, and if your nose happens within three inches of the top,
you just whiff and say, "Ummmm!" You touch
it's leaves, and your fingers come away especially
sticky with that aroma. I like to select males for potency,
growth characteristics, and quickness/earliness of flowering. I am becoming
convinced that I can hone in on a select
few males based solely on their B.O., and then select for other characteristics,
as well as a quick smoke test to
confirm potency.
BTW, finished some Sweettooth Surprise: too potent! Four light hits the
first try, and I was dizzy and headed for bed. I
learned my lesson. Definitely a potent bud, I have rarely seen my eyes
so bloodshot. I will have to breed it with
something a dash more moderate, with other desireable characteristics.
TOPIC - mimicing nature
DATE - 12:37:18 11/19/99
FROM - funkdified
Sorry to change the subject here guys but there has been something on my
mind lately. Of all of the message boards
on the net I have found that this one has the most focused group of people
as well as some of the most accomplished
and I was wondering what all of you thought about this. The debate about
cutting fan leafs off was what lead me to start
thinking about this. Some say that by exposing bud sites you will have
better growth. Others say that by cutting off the
fans that you are diminishing the plants ability to grow and say that if
mother nature didn't think that they are
necessary then why would they be there. This why would they be there statement
started me thinking about what
mother natures goal is. Every living thing on this plant has an inherent
need to pass on its genes. So, I feel it is safe to
say that cannabis is concerned with producing as many seeds as it can to
perpetuate the species. As drug cannabis
producers we are trying to produce as few seeds as possible. (Damn, would
I be pissed if someone wanted me to be a
virgin for my entire life - hehe) I feel that this in and of itself weakens
the mother nature put it there argument. I have
always approached growing from the viewpoint that I wanted to give the
plant everything that mother nature does to the
best of my ability. Granted, no matter what we are trying to do the basics
will always be necessary. But, how
concerned as growers should we be about the goals of ma nature beyond the
basics? I mean, we already circumvent
ma nature by growing only females. I realize that this is somewhat vague,
but what are your opinions on this?
Thanks,
funkdified
TOPIC -
DATE - 19:46:02 11/18/99
FROM - KQ
Thanks Hibe, I hope we all learn something from this.
TOPIC - its just words..
DATE - 12:34:14 11/18/99
FROM - hibe
KQ:the no trespassing sign, in itself, has some legality. ..where you are
telling someone to leave your property....they
will be required by law, to step to the other side of the sign.no sign?they
can stand on your porch all day if theyd
like,legally. Even if you had a sign, and they went past it and found you
out,but couldnt use the information, you are
still FOUND OUT,and your plants are history,and now your on the list of
badguys.Everyone should understand that leo
doesnt play fair mann.If you think they will,you are sadly mistaken.Its
too hard to catch you by fair play, so they come
up with creative ways to bend the rules and, until someone calls them on
it, it continues to suck the life out of all kinds
of nice people.When it finally gets discovered that its illegal, they say
to themselves,"ohwell, we took out 2000 growers
anyway.It got us that raise we wanted".
They will go through the open gate,come to the door as an actor,(while
they`re inventorying the contents of everything
they can see through the windows,on the porch etc..they know the law is
that,if its a felony in plain view,its
punishable)they`ll come up and tell you "oh,im sorry,wrong house", or whatever
nifty trick they`ve devised amongst
themselves,smell bud, leave, and come back as a swat team with a search
warrant.You have no idea how you got
popped.
Not to mention, the accidents that happen with an open gate.Do you think
the UPS guy gives a damm about the
sign?He`s got things to do, same with all the others who invade your space,and
cause problems.The sign is just words
to many people.If you have the ability to put a gate up,by all means,save
yourself.Apartment people...hmmm..be extra
careful,you cant gate your situation.
Its peace of mind too..you dont have to worry about coming around the corner
with a 3 footer or a tray of cuts and be
surprised by your square neighbor, coming over to talk to you about something.be
prepared,or learn to enjoy reading
books in a 6x6 with Bubba.
TOPIC - help me grow
DATE - 11:09:15 11/18/99
FROM - Paul Gould
Please help me grow the skunk indoors. Ive made attempts and they keep
dying
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:02:04 11/18/99
FROM - KQ
Hibe....what if your gate is always open but you have a "no tresspassing"
sign?? Wouldn't that be the same message?
TOPIC - neems oil
DATE - 04:13:27 11/18/99
FROM - pizza
i had a bad infestation of mites tried several different brands of mite
killer a friend turned me onto neems oil 2 soakings
and a havent seen any mites since
TOPIC - Hibe...
DATE - 21:51:45 11/17/99
FROM - chronic man
Thanks for the info about the cops and the gate thing, I didnt know that.
VERY good to know about, again thanks..and
as for Avid, ever since I started using it, I've NEVER had a mite problem
again. Maybe a few here and there, 10-20,
hehehe, but nowhere near the little colonies they were erecting, which
I basically just kept in check with various spray
concoctions, etc., you know the drill, I wonder if Neem oil works as well.
Have you or anyone tried that??
Stay free, be careful
cHrOnIc man
P.S. Vic, the Romberry is looking better and better every day....
TOPIC - knock/talk/avid coverage
DATE - 11:28:19 11/17/99
FROM - hibe
knockntalk:i know from our local experiences that the cops who are looking
for a grow op. will come to your door with a
WIDE variety of excuses..dont assume anyone at your front door is who they
say they are..in order to check you
out,and maybe get a whiff of bud,they like to play Hollywood actor..For
example..theyll come and play a convicing role
where they`ll ask if you know where so n so lives on this road, or "is
this the house for sale?"..i dont find the excuse
that this guy using out of the ordinary to be a COP,playacting as someone
else.In oregon,the knock and talk is the
MOST effective tool to knock out growers.Its only a matter of time until
the word gets around to other copshops..But, if
you do some things to keep you safe,its all good. Get a gate. The gate
implies Private property,which they cannot
(legally)breach.With no gate, you, in actuality,have INVITED the cops to
come to your front door.Its PUBLIC DOMAIN
outside your front door(your doorstep is public),but the gate extends your
private domain,and keeps other accidents
from happening.(btw:its usually an "accident" that gets ya.things you never
even considered...ie.phonebook delivery
people smell and report you,..UPS guy drops a package onto the porch and
sees fan leaves you spaced out and forgot
while taking cuttings yesterday...neighbor kids think that an open gate
is an open invitation to run around YOUR
yard,discovering a skunky smell they tell their parents,or their teacher
at school next week.,Cable guy,power
guy,phone guy,doortodoor salesguy,wrong addresses,..etc.)With the gate,you
are safe in your domain.The gate
negates the knock and talk..they really HATE the GATE.;)
Avid:a friend did an Avid experiment with seriously infested greenhouse
plants this summer.He sprayed one branch on
a plant with avid.ALL the mites on the plant died.He sprayed only down
the one half of whole plants but the systemic
action of Avid took the whole mite population out.Point is:its not as important
to "apply liberally,or thoroughly
soak".....its more important to expose ALL the areas to SOME Avid..ie.walls,floors,cracks,outside
the room.
hope this helps..................................hibe
Vic:..sorry if this isn`t on topic for the page mann...the Triangle make it?
TOPIC - New Grow
DATE - 11:17:46 11/17/99
FROM - PusherBetty
As far as nutrients go in hydro's here is my experience?
Seed stage - use plain water.
Veg Stage - 24 hours of light and I use GH Flora Bloom 4ml per gallon,
Grow 16 ml per gallon, and Micro ml per gallon.
I let the plants get about 8" tall then turn the lights down to 12/12 and use the following ORGANIC nutrient solutions:
30 ml Fox Farm Big Bloom per gallon
4 ml Pure Blend Grow per gallon
8 ml Maxicrop w/iron per gallon
With organics, you will need to change your reservoirs more often than with the Chemical GH Flora nutrients.
Betty
TOPIC - starting out
DATE - 07:21:41 11/17/99
FROM - new gro
I've been growing outdoors for a few years, and make a little money from
it; but I have some seeds I want to grow for
personal use hydroponicly indoors. Could anyone give me a simple recipe
for a good nutrient solution? I constructed a
small 4 plant setup, but have no experiance in hydro; please help. The
seeds are from an extremely potent Niagra
strain I had the pleasure of barely remember smoking(THC>19%) it's killer,
but the source said they almost never make
it outside, and closet grow isn't possible. Feel free to e-mail me with
any suggestions. memnoche@excite.com
TOPIC - knockNtalk
DATE - 18:33:45 11/16/99
FROM - trelaway
My understanding is rom is stinky. Has your friend got a reason to think
the cops would be intereested, like: does s/he
deal (esp coke), recent relationship break-up, does the grow have lite
leaks, does yer buddy like to show it off etc?
Does his/her landlord have a key to the present dead-bolt; if so...don't
necesarily assume they follow the 24 hour notice
rule. You don't have to answer these question here, just consider them.
Rule of thumb: if you grow, never answer the door to people you don't recognize.
In a security apartment, never answer
a knock to yer door--tell those who know you to buzz up.
The reason the cop gave sounds phoney but that doesn't necesarily mean
s/he was searching for a small apartment
grow--maybe just looking for someone.
TOPIC - clones
DATE - 17:02:21 11/16/99
FROM - stiener
IAM VERY INTERSETED IN BUYING OR TRADEING FOR SOME CLONES,
THE STRAINS YOU HAVE LOOK REALLY UNIQUE ,PLEASE E- MAIL ME
BACK OR PAGE ME AT 622-962
TOPIC - thanks pusher betty mucho appreciated NFM
DATE - 14:43:00 11/16/99
FROM - champ
nfm
TOPIC - LEO knock and talk in BC
DATE - 09:00:03 11/16/99
FROM - knockNtalk
A friend is growing 6 plants in his apartment (Romberry Surprise BTW).
A plainclothes cop came to the door and
asked how long he'd been in the apartment and if he knew a tenant that
lived there in 1997. He claimed to be doing a
background check on an applicant to the RCMP.
The cop didn't look like he was trying to look into the apartment and didn't
try to get close for a sniff.
Should my friend be worried about this?
This happened in Vic High's neck of the woods.
thanx
TOPIC - Mites
DATE - 07:50:59 11/16/99
FROM - PusherBetty
Champ, I got my Avid at www.african-violets.com. It is half strength, but
one application on all walls, floors, every leaf,
stem, pot and the critters never reared their ugly heads again. Only $16.95
per bottle, they have a 1-800# to order from,
bottle is 2 ounces worth. Not sure if they ship to Canada though.
Betty
TOPIC - avid by the ounce
DATE - 15:54:28 11/15/99
FROM - champ
Hey all,recently my hard drive crashed causing me to lose all links i had
saved as well as all other information.One very
important link i cant seem to find and i desperately need it now,is the
link to a place were you could buy avid mite killer
by the ounce.I just found a mite infestation and i need to BLAST the little
suckers as soon as possible.I am most
grateful to all who can help me find the link.
later
TOPIC - water clones
DATE - 15:22:11 11/15/99
FROM - coco Beans
thanks GP for the rooting info.All the clones are still striving and it's
been over 4 days in water.
I have them in dark ceramic jars.
cb
TOPIC - water cloning
DATE - 14:31:10 11/15/99
FROM - Ganja`Peg
hey pi .... yes i do water cloning exclusivly .... my success rate is 95%
or better {no bullshit}... i've only lost 5 or 6
clones in a year with my method.I just took a couple known facts and reasoned
it should work, ie that cannabis needs
3 things to root well ... water, darkness, and oxygen.And they responded
beautifully . Here are the basics : i use small
narrow necked bud vases commonly found at walmart in craft section,they
are cheap but thick glass. I paint the
OUTSIDE black to cut out any light, the mass of leaves from the clones
prevent any light from getting in from
above.Next i make sure clones are the normal 4 - 5 inches and remove any
leaves and stems close to the main stem
to prevent rotting. For light i use normal cool white flouro tubes and
keep temperature at 80 constant during the day and
no less than 70 at night.I change the water everyday to keep oxygen content
up and make sure bottom of clone is cut
with a razor blade at about a 60 degree angle. After about 2 weeks the
stems change noticibly, they thicken and swell
and the cut end starts to seal itself. A couple weeks later the customary
root bumps appear.Some strains i let go a bit
longer in order to have roots more established but generally i plant em
as soon as root bumps appear. I do give em a
light dusting of rootone to prevent any rot in the soil while it makes
the conversion to soil roots, and to give it a boost ( i
do realize water roots are very different, and do not function well in
soil } . I have successfully rooted the following
strains using just this method 1.G-13 2.Puna Butter 3.Genius 4.Stonehedge
5.NCGA Bluelight 6.Princess x Shiva ...
the only total failure i had was with cali-o and that was due to marginal
clones ... they rooted in water well just as the
rest but didnt survive the shock of converting to soil. Im sure there will
be alot who say im nuts .... but im doing it and
it's ALMOST idiot proof ... anyone no matter what thier botanical savy
can do it ...its just that simple ;} ... peace la ...
its time for the idiocy to end bro ;}
TOPIC - Blueberry
DATE - 13:17:14 11/15/99
FROM - Confused
Hey all :) All my BB are showing really heavy indica traits...the pictures
i have seen didnt look as chubby as my babies
but i have a slight problem.Towards the end of their 18 hr period the bigger
leaves start to droop around the plant kinda
like when you dry the buds with the leaves still on....they seem to close
around the stem as if to protect it.Anyway i
wasn't sure if this was a problem or just an indica thing...i saw the post
about the 21 yr smoker....hell i haven't even
been alive that long! :) so i have a lot to learn....any help would be
mightily appreciated :)
ps. The babies are at about 2 1/2 weeks and the whole room STINKS! I have
never seen this type of odour at 2 1/2
weeks Veg.I have a bunch of Indoor Mix which i thought might be the problem
but it seems to be the blues that are
giving off the strongest smell...really nice unlike the sweat smell of
the Indoor Mix :)
TOPIC - oops / cloning in water/ wish i was there
DATE - 13:53:43 11/14/99
FROM - pi
meant to include this with the post below...
i have tried it with no success in the past however ganja pegs does this
almost exlusively with a 100% success rate or
so he tell me.
-uses floral vases from wall mart
-paints em black on the outside
-uses unadulterated tap water
-does not use any cloning gel
-changes the water daily
-takes about 30 days to see bumps
this is all i the facts i know. pegs is somewhat shy and a lurker. i will direct him here for more info
vic and all... hope you are having a jam up time wish i was there. hope
a-1 is gaining on em!
TOPIC - spazz vic
DATE - 12:58:44 11/14/99
FROM - pi
vic i guess i should get some fire from you as my smart alecky remarks
to spaz could be construed or misonstrued as
personal attacks.
didnt mean for my post to be anymore than smart alecky and i apologize
to spaz if it caused he or she to think of 4
letter words in reprisal heh. btw spaz i been smoking since 73 (early twenties)
and have seen bunches in my time. no
youngin here either.
43 years eh. than you really are an OLD fart too!
TOPIC - outdoor weed
DATE - 11:17:10 11/14/99
FROM - trelaway
This may seem wierd, me living in BC, remarking about outdoor weed. Thing
is, I rarely get to smoke any. A buddy
and his son did a guerilla grow this year and last week began passing it
'round to friends.
This stuff didn't get harvested til late october, went thru two frosts
and still totally rocks. Think I'm gonna have to buy a
place in the boonies someday and have me a garden.
TOPIC - water and clones
DATE - 21:09:31 11/13/99
FROM - coco Beans
ok I 'll stay on topic. How about rooting clones in water anyone have any
tips. Someone on the other board suggested
film cans.
anyone have info on the sweet tooth suprises? What kind of suprise are
we in for.
thanks,
cb
TOPIC - spaz
DATE - 10:40:08 11/13/99
FROM - Vic High
Spaz, beat it with your personal attacks, they are not welcome in the least!!
PB, just getting close to you girl, hehe. Trying my hand at being the ugly
Canadian In this fine State of California,
haha. Nice place, but so so smokey!! hahah
Hey BD!! got a couple of gifts from the bros for ya, haha!!
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:13:08 11/13/99
FROM - occam
Coco Beans: I always enjoy a debate, but let's try to stay on topic before
Vic gets the delete button working. ;)
spaz: Thanks. The concern you expressed for my well-being is so important
to me.
TOPIC - Smart Assizm
DATE - 05:32:13 11/13/99
FROM - PusherBetty
I am soooooo embarrassed. Pi was right, I didn't read all of the posts
and when I did read the posts that I did read
(hahah), I was stoney stoney stoney and had my head up my arse as usual.
My apologies Occam, I thought you were the one that was into the astrology
thingy. Outerspace does interest me, but
I have never studied it so I guess I shoulda kept my mouth shut :), hard
for us women aye? hehe
So do any of you Canadians have extensive knowledge in hydroponic marijuana
growing? Maybe we can exchange
some tricks. I have been growing in hydro (flood and drain) for 5 years
now and soil for geez 25 years or more.
Oh and Spaz, smoke another one! hehe
Vic - Where are you?????
Sweaty Betty
TOPIC - 41 yrs
DATE - 01:33:55 11/13/99
FROM - spaz
pi it took a bit to figure out just how long i have smoked for,well the
grand total is 41 years.
the first 20yrs was recreational,the last 21 were medicinal{lukemia} .ive
probably smoked more weed than youve seen
TOPIC - no heat
DATE - 23:43:38 11/12/99
FROM - spaz
pi.. no im not a cop.love to get high{purple sweetness, oh and i to often
find myself contemplating female navels
TOPIC - malawi star and skunkowsk?
DATE - 14:05:30 11/12/99
FROM - nexus
I am getting some malawi star and skunkowski from a friend they are freddy's
seeds .but he has no info on them, Does
anyone have anyinfo on these strains?
peace out
TOPIC - pi
DATE - 10:43:48 11/12/99
FROM - oldtimer1
More like your Bro, thanks for your thinking of me hope things are better
for you. Ot1
TOPIC - yuck / ot1
DATE - 10:26:32 11/12/99
FROM - pi
aeric... are you saying occam needs to take a shit? ;0)
pb... you need to read occum's post closer. seems to me that he does not
believe in that stuff either duh ;), just trying
to stir up debate and opinions is all. Maybe i am reading it wrong... ya
think?
spaz... your just another four letter word in my book hehe. i question
weather or not you even smoke... your not a
&n