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TOPIC - grapefruit
                   DATE - 10:01:03 12/01/99
                   FROM - Gfruit
 
                   I just have to ask this and Im sure Ill get no answer .But never hurts to try..first off We are kind of upset that we found
                   that some one has already developed a grapefruit strain.because up until a few days ago when we found your site and
                   read that grapefruit was one of grower3's favorite strains..we WERE trying to developing grapefruit in fact we kind of
                   accidentaly stumbled on it from seeds that were accidentaly made by a hermie excaping our eyes the only prob is that
                   we
                   lost the records of what strain the hermie was and didnt think to make a mother cause we didnt know it was going to
                   turn so wonderfully grapefruit..(we expirement loosly alot-I know its our own stupid fault))all we know is its VERY
                   predominatly sativa with a moderate yield .and if this isnt the kicker it was polinated with another unknown Indica
                   hermie so we have these mystery grapefruit X ? seeds that we are making a mother with..we will of course post the
                   results now that we'v found you all.the point of all this is, Is there any way in hell that we can at least have a little tiny
                   weenie hint of what the recepie is. we are hooked on the g-fruite..and would love to stabilize t
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - nexus
                   DATE - 16:38:46 11/30/99
                   FROM - trelaway
 
                   not familiar with the stuff but I just smoked some bud neem was used on. The guy'd discontinued use ~ month b4
                   harvest. Smoked fine, we're all still alive. Weekly should be okay. A

                   Wow...just heard Seattle had been declared a state of emergency (or one of those 'cops clamping down' phrases)and a
                   curfew may be imposed. I think they've even loaded thier guns with rubber bullets. It's too bad that something useful,
                   like WTO bashing, just turns into a mob scene.

                   I have an anon email: trelaway@mailcity.com
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - trelaway
                   DATE - 20:53:14 11/29/99
                   FROM - nexus
 
                   Well instead of avid i went to a nursey and bought this stuff calld Saf-t-side by montery its a oil misxute that u dilute
                   into water and after a few time of using it it kills them off ,have u heard anything about this? (there web site is
                   www.monterelylawngerden.com) the guy said this stuff is kinof like neem-oil just not all organic but its preaty clean ,
                   also it does not spay when to spray it on 4-5dyas? soo i guess i willspary them every week or so?

                   hey whats your e-mail?
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - nexus
                   DATE - 19:15:36 11/29/99
                   FROM - trelaway
 
                   from what I've read, avid will simply kill them all--problem solved. The soap/pesticide mixture only really works if yer
                   diligent in it's use. It should be done every five days but weekly is all I can do--even with that I managed to rid myself of
                   them in about two months. A hassle really; if I'd had a larger (esp. commercial) grow I wouldn't have played this long
                   with them.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - Jeb's request
                   DATE - 10:57:27 11/29/99
                   FROM - Skinman
 
                   GH Bloom 0-5-4
                   GH Gro 2-1-6
                   GH Micro 5-0-1

                   Hope this helps in your quest for the proper #s.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - have ya
                   DATE - 23:02:44 11/28/99
                   FROM - bandog
 
                   Has anyone heard of sweet skunk afghani or maple ridge rhino?
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - trelaway
                   DATE - 22:49:54 11/28/99
                   FROM - nexus
 
                   Well i am preaty sure its the mites but since last night i soaped them they seem to be looking a littebetter , I know its
                   not ph becuase i have 7.0 for ph and i know its not defencity because i use a special tes of liquid sea kelp, pure blend
                   grow & bloom, also fox farm grow & bloom mix. I also ordered some avid and that should hopefully kill them all , but for
                   now i sprayed them with soap is that really effiective?
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - nexus
                   DATE - 20:11:13 11/28/99
                   FROM - trelaway
 
                   pyrethrum/soap mixtures are pretty common at any nursery or garden supply store.

                   If yer whole plant is a faded lite green, almost yellow, it does sound like yer plant's not got enuf N, either not enuf there
                   or, maybe, ph reasons.

                   fish ferts are a great supplement for a lack of N.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - Hydro / Soil Hybrid?
                   DATE - 18:24:23 11/28/99
                   FROM - Curious George
 
                   Thanks for the outline Lothar.

                   Do those long roots just dangle there in the air below the mesh or is the bottom a sealed unit where the fluid is pumped
                   back out? Is it tricky to get the roots out the mesh without tearing them up? This seems to be an entirely hydro trip.
                   Having large roots and short stature prior to flower sounds like a winning SOG recipe.

                   So, after 2 or 3 weeks in the blaster before being transplanted, how long do they take to finish in the flower room, and
                   how does the Total time to finish, and the yield compare with your previous results with the same strains?

                   Transplanting root-blasted clones into 1 - 2 gallon pots of soil mix would be interesting.
                   It would retain some of the best features of both styles of growing, a hybrid approach to SOG. Soil and hydro, HID
                   lighting and fluoros.

                   You'd get the benefit of having just a small hydro set-up, with as little of the bottled nutrients and the ph and ppm
                   monitoring and all that techie stuff as possible, and then finish up with the cheaper, natural, low-tech soil mix.

                   Does that sound feasible?

                   Just curious.
 

 

 

 
                   TOPIC - GF
                   DATE - 09:51:03 11/28/99
                   FROM - KQ
 
                   heeheehee, Lothar, we like the original GF down here too.
                   Someone was telling me that it was the defective one, but not as far as I can tell! I guess the defective one stops
                   flowering at 4 weeks or some such thing.
                   Currently got it knocked up with ABC dust.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC -
                   DATE - 02:00:14 11/28/99
                   FROM - Lothar
 
                   As dan kass Wrote

                   "GF= Grapefruit
                   X= Brand X
                   both I believe are local BC strains."
                   Exactly both BC strains....rumour says that X was gotten from a University in Hawaii Who knows for sure
                   And as for MY GF Well well well only a few of us with the original left (if I may take a moment to brag) You may have
                   heard of Sweet Pink Grapefruit some people call it just GF this is not so GF is the MAMA from which a long list of
                   children where nurtured, haveing THE original is well an honer so to speek.

                   Now to the Root Blaster rig
                   Flos X 4
                   1- warm
                   1- cool
                   2-grow types --umm the ones with the swirl down them

                   medium - hydroton = the expanded clay pellits

                   container 4" mesh bottomed pots (same size that fits flower room so I just pick um up and drop em in the holes)

                   clones are made in oasis as soon as roots appear put them in the pots cover with hydroton

                   The table is 2'x 4'
                   I built a frame which I covered with mesh wire to fit ontop of the table to create an air space of about 6" from the bottom
                   of the pots to the table--this had the effect of makeing the roots grow directly out of the bottom of the pot rather from
                   out of the sides of the pots (better and easier to pull them in and out of the individual holes in the flower room)
                   From there its just a 150 gph pump into a header with regular speghetti line drip emiters 1 per pot

                   My guess is that the time in the root blaster does count as veg time so I guess you can say that I went from 6-8 days
                   of veg to about 2 - 3 weeks of veg ha ha.

                   When I place them in the flower room well lets see GF goes in at about 8 inches and X about a foot (roots are all over a
                   foot long as well)

                   The beauty about this system is that the veg growth is slow and bye keeping the feedings light you can prolong the
                   time just incase you need more time for your flowers. anouther thing is you can build up the formula strength before
                   you put them in the main room- about 6 days before I place them in the flower room I leach them for 3 days then start
                   my flower formula 1/2 strength for 2 days add more on the 3rd day and next day I put them in the flower room fully
                   nutreint adjusted.
                   please feel free to ask any questions at all

                   Oh how I happend to be a holder of an Original GF, A freind named Steve gave it to me himself a few years ago.

 

 

 
                   TOPIC - trelaway
                   DATE - 19:22:34 11/27/99
                   FROM - nexus
 
                   hey trelaway thanks where can i get that product at , My leaves are yellow is becuase i first throught this was a fert
                   problem but then i was reading about mites and found out it was a mite problem, i hope i can save my plants all the
                   c99's are a pale green yellow ish and the mr.nices are not as bad , but tonight i think i will spray them with some soap,
                   then tommarow i will pick up something , they are also spreading to my g-13xFW's (very worried becuase i have some
                   great strains) oh yeah it seams its just strating to affect the GFW...

                   peace out
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - nexus
                   DATE - 18:28:06 11/27/99
                   FROM - trelaway
 
                   I have good success with pyrethrum/soap mixtures. Trounce, by Safer's, is a brand name. If yer still in Veg this'll be
                   easy--just truck them to the bathtub and douse them with a misting bottle (soil should be fairly wet first) concentrating
                   on the underside of the leaves. Let sit for ~ ten minutes and mist again with just water til the leaves are dripping wet.
                   Be careful on the bigger plants, they may tip over with the extra water weight. Do this weekly. If the budz have formed
                   on flowering plants, wipe the underside of the fan leaves with a trounce soaked sponge weekly, taking care to not get
                   the pesticide on the flowers.

                   Yellowing lower leaves could be a few things. If ph is okay, you've been letting the soil dry between waterings, and the
                   yellowing is a general fade--they likely just need a dose of higher N fert.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - HELP !!
                   DATE - 16:26:41 11/27/99
                   FROM - nexus
 
                   My leaves on mostly the bottom of the plant are yellow and dieing and other are a green yellow with white stuff webs on
                   the leaves and black spots also what can i do my plants are slowly dieing (mr.nices and c99s) i want to try to get rid of
                   the bugs organicly if i could but if not what can i do? i really dont have time to do mail order but if i have i will but what
                   can i pick up at homebase,orchid, gardening shops ect...
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - Curious George
                   DATE - 22:07:54 11/26/99
                   FROM - dan kass
 
                   GF= Grapefruit
                   X= Brand X

                   both I believe are local BC strains.

                   DK
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - Root Blaster questions and Necrosis addendum
                   DATE - 19:48:38 11/26/99
                   FROM - Curious George
 
                   Lothar, old boy, you have certainly piqued our interest . A complete A - Z explanation is certainly in order. If you're
                   using a drip system for clones, in what kind of medium and in how large a container? What is the basis of the "X" ... ?
                   Does it just mean your personal cross, or something else? Doesn't the time spent getting the roots "blasted" count as
                   veg time? How tall are the clones when they go to the flower room? And by the way, what's "GF"? Inquiring minds want
                   to know!

                   Occam: I should have been more specific with that last question. I don't know why I asked about the "frozen dead",
                   since I've had some experience that way in the distant past and it's just as you described. What I was really interested
                   in was those stories we used to hear about plants that were allowed to grow seedless in warm climates until they died.
                   What happens to them? Has anyone let an indoor plant go that long?

                   Just curious.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - hey lothar
                   DATE - 08:30:16 11/26/99
                   FROM - oldcowboy
 
                   any way i could get you to expound a little on the root blaster rig you are running?some help could be used on keeping
                   things lower to the horizon for periods of 4 to 6 weeks,it would sure make things a lot less needful of attention.
                   later
 

 

 
                   TOPIC -
                   DATE - 02:23:38 11/26/99
                   FROM - Lothar
 
                   Vic: Just a note to say hi
                   I just developed a little system I call the "root blaster" This thing works wonders all it is is a drip system under flos...I
                   get to keep my plants very short and get outstanding root growth, then when I flip them into the Flower room no veg
                   time needed
                   First time Ive done a whole room of my "X" and I must say I am sooooo impressed Probubly The Best SOG plant Ive
                   ever seen just one large Cola I mean Large 16" long bout the width of a coke can and its got 2.5 weeks to go, The few
                   Ive topped Twin nicely (like haveing 2 plants) same size as the single cola plants.
                   Did a GF crop last time be interesting to see who yeilds better, I must admit though the GF is better than X but the
                   girls seem to like the X better Whatever both are deadly smoken
                   Have you heard of "R2" ???? New clone going around Don't know anything about it but Im doin a whole crop next turn
                   around went in the root blaster today.
                   I Got a favor to ask you if your traveling any time sooner or later...Need a male plant (a good one) going to Cross it with
                   X and Probubly one called Real MaCoy not my project...and not a seed bank thing more in the lines of a science
                   experiment.
                   And if we meet up remind me about Amsterdam and we will chat some intresting stuff.
                   Any how long time but I am Unimployed for real this time till after Xmas so chat soon K email me

 

 

 
                   TOPIC -
                   DATE - 00:51:29 11/26/99
                   FROM - Jebediah
 
                   Howdy. Can someone who has any of the following General Hydroponics fertilizers please look on the side label and
                   tell me the NPK values (%)? The reason I need to know is because these fertilisers are not available where I am, and I
                   need to make up an equivalent mixture to that on the laughing-moon clone handy hints page.
                   Flora grow
                   Flora micro
                   Flora Bloom
                   Pure Blend growth formula
                   Your assistance is most appreciated.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - Hey there...
                   DATE - 23:08:32 11/25/99
                   FROM - Bongblaster
 
                   Hey Vic ...just a note to say hello ...think ill have your jacket here soon........Ncga mailed it with my stuff...
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - The post below mine
                   DATE - 16:38:38 11/25/99
                   FROM - Pusherbetty
 
                   Now this has got to be a mistake. LOL you don't really think she wants information on what we are growing to hand out
                   to the kids!

                   Vic, don't you dare!

                   Betty
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - Teen Wellness Conference
                   DATE - 13:46:21 11/25/99
                   FROM - Mrs. Marilyn Kuss
 
                   Dear BC Growers Association -

                   I know that this is not the correct address but I couldn't see what I needed. I hope that you will pass this along to the
                   appropriate people.

                   I am writing to request BC Growers Association's participation in our Teen Wellness Conference.

                   While financial assistance is always appreciated, we could also use help with brochures and hand-outs for distribution
                   at a booth. Also, we are interested in recipes that provide quick and easy healthy eating for teens who are juggling
                   school and jobs and other activities.

                   Finally, we would appreciate any ideas you could give us as to who to contact for similar support.

                   Yours truly

                   Marilyn Kuss
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - Natural death in the Great White North
                   DATE - 07:49:30 11/25/99
                   FROM - occam
 
                   Curious George... probably a bit more extreme than you had in mind, but...
                   Afoaf once inadvertently let a few plants die in the snow. Put out in May, by the end of Nov. there was 6" of snow at
                   that altitude. 2 plants were compost, laying horizontal with a few decomposing branches sticking out of the snow. One
                   6 foot female had not fallen over; large leaves and 50% of the flowers were dead and decomposing. Salvaged the
                   remaining 50%. Wasn't great. Looked fine, no odor, somewhat metallic flavor, hardly noticeable buzz.
                   occam.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - thanks
                   DATE - 22:12:50 11/24/99
                   FROM - irish
 
                   thanks perp....
                   and everyone, watch out for the tryptophan deetee's on friday.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - spooks
                   DATE - 19:33:55 11/24/99
                   FROM - Perp
 
                   irish...Happy T-Day to you and All!

                   I believe that info monitor base is in Great Britain, jus' down the street from Weedseed.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - vancouver island
                   DATE - 16:21:43 11/24/99
                   FROM - trelaway
 
                   heard thru the grapevine that there's been some new federal money thrown around in Victoria targeting indoor grows.
                   Apparently BC hydro is in on the plan.

                   anyone else heard anything? Last I heard, cops were facing budget cuts like everyone else.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - Genetic Heritage etc.
                   DATE - 18:08:57 11/23/99
                   FROM - Curious George
 
                   In the weekly "Science Times" section of the 11/23/99 issue of the N.Y. Times, is a very interesting article on the
                   genetic code of wine grapes. Since both cannabis and wine grapes have been cultivated for thousands of years, many
                   of the same issues of lineage seem to apply.

                   "There are at least 5,000 varieties of wine grape in the world, several of which have been grown at least since Roman
                   times."

                   "Though wild grapes come in male and female forms that breed sexually, those in vinyards are usually propagated by
                   hand from rootstock, so that in principle each new vine is a clone ... identical to its' parent. ... Types believed to be very
                   ancient, like pinot, have not had sex for some 2,000 years, yet varieties of pinot exist, their genetic variation
                   presumably caused just by mutation."

                   Evidently, a researcher at U. C. Davis has done DNA analysis of wine grapes and achieved some surprising results as
                   far as the lineage was concerned.

                   The point being that the same sort of analysis could be done on cannabis, especially New World varieties, to
                   determine where they originated, and where they mutated. To the best of my knowledge, the herb came to the Western
                   Hemisphere via African slaves and indentured East Indian workers and then spread through Mexico, Central, and South
                   America.

                   We know that over the past two centuries, many regional varieties took hold, and even within Mexico there was wide
                   variation. It would be very interesting for some enlightened individual with the equipment, training, and experience in
                   DNA research, to begin the "Cannabis Genome Project" and lift the veil of mystery from the hybrids of the West, as
                   well as from some of the presumably "pure" srains of Africa and Asia.

                   If the experience of the wine grapes is any indication, we are in for more than a few surprises.

                   In the meantime ... pass the joint.

                   Has any one had experience with letting nature take it's course and allowing a plant to complete it's life-cycle by
                   growing until it dies either from a cold snap or "old age"?
                   How does it effect the taste, potency, and quality of the buzz?

                   Just curious.
 
 
 

 

 

 
                   TOPIC - damn strange. internet post related.
                   DATE - 16:34:56 11/23/99
                   FROM - irish
 
                   check it out if you get a chance. a man is banned from posting on the net. turned in by australian government worker,
                   to seattle police...

                   wasn't there a "spookbuster" kind of post which had said the US monitors all communication from a base in
                   australia?...

                   i am not worried about this, but i thought it was interesting. the guy had made threats to the seattle police.

                   just note the part where "if threats are made..." expect a phone call. kind of like mentioning explosives on planes. uh
                   oh did i say that?...hehe.
 

                                                   Link: internet policing by courts
 

 

 
                   TOPIC -
                   DATE - 04:11:18 11/23/99
                   FROM - Søren lLøvfelt Larsen
 
                   I love hemp..
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - mites
                   DATE - 19:42:01 11/22/99
                   FROM - trelaway
 
                   a note to those interested. It is possible to rid yerself of mites using pyrethrum/soap. I have an admittedly small grow
                   that's easy to work with but after about eight weekly spray's on mom/clones they were gone. It's been a month since
                   the last spraying and no borg.

                   trel
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - Male musk
                   DATE - 14:34:25 11/22/99
                   FROM - Skinman
 
                   Been lurking daily but my daily life hasn't left much time to post much lately. Saw a few things that got me thinking
                   and just had to post some mental gymnastics that occurred to me.

                   Pretty interesting train of thought concerning the scent of the males. Is this scent picked up on by the females in the
                   area? If so, what is the affect on them? Could this scent be produced in a spray or aeresol form, and if so would the
                   effect to the females be a desirable one?

                   I guess my line of thought here is a holistic one from the plant's view. If we can actually provide for them as Mother
                   Nature does so completely, then would the outcome be a more potent product, and does a happier plant transfer to a
                   happier buzz?

                   Hope this can fuel some new topics for discussion if anyone is interested in bending the bean a bit.

                   A quick Hello to Pi and Ru hope you guys are doing well and YES Ru I'm about to soil myself waiting for our trip in
                   December. Can't wait to see the Dam in person Brah! Good to know I have a brother for a guide.

                   Skinman out but never down!
 

 

 
                   TOPIC -
                   DATE - 12:15:31 11/22/99
                   FROM - oldtimer1
 
                   loop_hole the final clone mum was only now being selected, unfortunately last week it was found that the timer was
                   sticking and the so called 12/12 was any thing from 12/12 to 24/0 this has now been rectified but makes the results
                   null and void as far as clone times and yield are concerned so a new grow is going to have to be done. The final yield
                   for this grow will drop a bit as far as this grow is concerned. Iím going to take a look tomorrow will take some picks but
                   they wont be representative as far as the time flowering is concerned. What other info do you want? I will do my best to
                   answer you! Iím not in the seed business but have had very good feedback on this cross from friends around the net.
                   So when A_1 went down, I put up a some to give A_1 some early funds also to give folks a chance at some cheap sat
                   dominant genetics. From feedback and my own experience it has a couple of faults firstly it produces slightly more
                   males than fems. Secondly the fems fall into two finish times of 8 weeks and 10 weeks. Both have a good up high but
                   the later ones are much stronger, They like plenty of light and do better if there is some halide in the lighting mix to the
                   end, this may be due to the equatorial in the genetic makeup. Hope this helps a bit

                   All the best Ot1.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC -
                   DATE - 09:57:36 11/22/99
                   FROM - loop_hole
 
                   Evil one
                   Glad to see you back on your feet. Lost your e-mail addy during a hasty purging of my address book. Iím still at hot
                   mail, so feel free to drop me a line. Havenít been taking part in the forums much myself lately, staying pretty low key.

                   RE: leaf trimming. Last year I did a quick experiment on trimming some of the larger/older leaves off a crop off shisk.
                   Half the room I trimmed and left the other half alone. Donít have my notes here but If I remember correctly, I got a gram
                   or two more per plant (3 per foot) than the untrimmed. Donít forget that the shisk has some of the largest leaves Iíve
                   ever seen even dwarfing the romberry. Tried the same thing on my NL x Hawaiian and she didnít like that at all.

                   Vic: how are your UV experiments going?

                   OT1: any more info on the ESB would be appreciated.

 

 

 
                   TOPIC - Hi all!
                   DATE - 22:52:45 11/21/99
                   FROM - Dr. Evil
 
                   Just a note to say hi to everyone. Been lurking occasionally, but do to circumstances beyond my control, forum
                   participation would have been indiscete until certain matters resolved themselves. I'll be happy to elaborate to those
                   who are interested, but posting details here would also be indiscrete. Real life was getting too real for a while is all I'll
                   say here. Enough about that for now.

                   Vic: I'd like to help any way I can with either the A-1 or M.G. situations. I realize I'm late on the trigger with the A-1
                   auction and all (my own problems began shortly after A-1's). I am however even more sympathetic than most to both
                   causes, due to some of my recent experiences. If you get an opportunity to, drop me a line, I'll help in whatever
                   capacity that is appropriate.
                   P.S. You mentioned being concerned about smell during power outages over at cann. world (would respond there, but I
                   just registered tonight, went to retrieve my password and found that my mail service is down till sometime tommorrow).
                   What about connecting a flourescent ozone tube up to a computer type UPS so that it will continue to run during
                   outages. Flo' tubes don't draw that much wattage, so it should be able to stay running for quite a while. Just a thought.

                   be safe
                   Dr. Evil
 
 
 

 

 

 
                   TOPIC - People for the Ethical Treatment of Cannabis?
                   DATE - 17:54:29 11/21/99
                   FROM - Curious George
 
                   Funktified might have a point about "tampering with mother nature". When husbandry seeks to stem the natural
                   procession of breeding, could it be part of the "secret life of plants" that the Cannabis females production of more THC
                   is only a by-product of turning on their little hemp vibrators while seeking to alleviate their severe sexual frustration?

                   Could we be guilty of inducing a neurosis in these poor, defenseless plants? Do we have a duty to give the plants some
                   sort of therapy, to help them overcome this artificially induced handicap?

                   ( We can't ask the plants themselves, since discussion of breeeding and seeds in polite hemp socety is probably
                   considered to be in very poor taste.)

                   Plants are very complex, and react in ways that can't always be accurately quantified. Simply stated: We play with
                   them ... they play with us. It all works out.

                   Vic, do you consume the plant material of the seed plants that you grow? Except for the increased THC per unit of
                   weight, how is it different ( if at all ) from the stone of the same plant cloned and grown seedless?

                   Just curious.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

 

 
                   TOPIC - avid
                   DATE - 07:37:10 11/21/99
                   FROM - champ
 
                   Howdy,scored some avid and sprayed last night .one question i have ,what is the point in spraying the walls floors etc.i
                   sprayed liberally all around by the way,im just wondering what spraying inanimate objects does for the cause of
                   eliminating the borg.
                   later
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - la bluberry ce magnific!
                   DATE - 21:54:50 11/20/99
                   FROM - coco Beans
 
                   Ms B, the sounds of your blueberry is wonderbar!
                   also your discription of a male is right on!the clean teeth that's a hard one in europe! hehe

                   is anyone out there sensitive to the mites? like do they give you the itch?I have used the avid on avs and it does work.
                   do a blueberry for me I need a good laugh!well back to work I go! beannie
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - Bunch of Stuff
                   DATE - 18:44:08 11/20/99
                   FROM - PusherBetty
 
                   Psycho - I too used to sniff the B.O. of the male species before going out on a date with them. If they smelled good,
                   had clean teeth, pretty eyes, and a good heart, I went out with them. If the B.O. was unbearable, well, then there was
                   no need for us to even move towards finding out how sticky he was or could get. (Sorry, no harm intended, just couldn't
                   pass that one up babe!)

                   The Borg is back! Avid is the only thing that works guys, neem oil will hold em off, kelthane will do the same, but to kill
                   them DEAD, you gotta use the AVID.

                   I am giggling my arse off like back when I was 16. Just smoked some of my CAREFULLY cured Blueberry x G13 x
                   Northern Lights. The blueberry smell is so potent it makes my mouth water, and the TASTE!
                   MMmmmmmmmooooooouuuuuuuaaaahhhhh, or however the Italians do it when then kiss their fingers and do that
                   thing when something is magnifico!

                   Ok, enough babbling, time for some more Blueberries.

                   Betty

 

 

 
                   TOPIC - A question for Vic.
                   DATE - 16:56:24 11/19/99
                   FROM - Psycho
 
                   funkdified: I subscribe to the school of thought that you must balance the competing interests. I.e. just remove a very
                   few pairs up top of the plant, if you are growing without tying down or clipping tops. Of course, tying the plant is a better
                   option.

                   Also, I agree with you. This board is superior.

                   Vic: I have come to an observation I would like your input on. I like to breed my own seed, improving the strains that I
                   buy. This is great fun, except for the evaluation of males for breeding. But, I have been noticing something that never
                   appears to fail. In terms of potency, the best plants always give off that certain aroma. Y'know, the plant gets to four
                   weeks and older, and if your nose happens within three inches of the top, you just whiff and say, "Ummmm!" You touch
                   it's leaves, and your fingers come away especially
                   sticky with that aroma. I like to select males for potency,
                   growth characteristics, and quickness/earliness of flowering. I am becoming convinced that I can hone in on a select
                   few males based solely on their B.O., and then select for other characteristics, as well as a quick smoke test to
                   confirm potency.

                   BTW, finished some Sweettooth Surprise: too potent! Four light hits the first try, and I was dizzy and headed for bed. I
                   learned my lesson. Definitely a potent bud, I have rarely seen my eyes so bloodshot. I will have to breed it with
                   something a dash more moderate, with other desireable characteristics.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - mimicing nature
                   DATE - 12:37:18 11/19/99
                   FROM - funkdified
 
                   Sorry to change the subject here guys but there has been something on my mind lately. Of all of the message boards
                   on the net I have found that this one has the most focused group of people as well as some of the most accomplished
                   and I was wondering what all of you thought about this. The debate about cutting fan leafs off was what lead me to start
                   thinking about this. Some say that by exposing bud sites you will have better growth. Others say that by cutting off the
                   fans that you are diminishing the plants ability to grow and say that if mother nature didn't think that they are
                   necessary then why would they be there. This why would they be there statement started me thinking about what
                   mother natures goal is. Every living thing on this plant has an inherent need to pass on its genes. So, I feel it is safe to
                   say that cannabis is concerned with producing as many seeds as it can to perpetuate the species. As drug cannabis
                   producers we are trying to produce as few seeds as possible. (Damn, would I be pissed if someone wanted me to be a
                   virgin for my entire life - hehe) I feel that this in and of itself weakens the mother nature put it there argument. I have
                   always approached growing from the viewpoint that I wanted to give the plant everything that mother nature does to the
                   best of my ability. Granted, no matter what we are trying to do the basics will always be necessary. But, how
                   concerned as growers should we be about the goals of ma nature beyond the basics? I mean, we already circumvent
                   ma nature by growing only females. I realize that this is somewhat vague, but what are your opinions on this?
                   Thanks,
                   funkdified
 

 

 
                   TOPIC -
                   DATE - 19:46:02 11/18/99
                   FROM - KQ
 
                   Thanks Hibe, I hope we all learn something from this.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - its just words..
                   DATE - 12:34:14 11/18/99
                   FROM - hibe
 
                   KQ:the no trespassing sign, in itself, has some legality. ..where you are telling someone to leave your property....they
                   will be required by law, to step to the other side of the sign.no sign?they can stand on your porch all day if theyd
                   like,legally. Even if you had a sign, and they went past it and found you out,but couldnt use the information, you are
                   still FOUND OUT,and your plants are history,and now your on the list of badguys.Everyone should understand that leo
                   doesnt play fair mann.If you think they will,you are sadly mistaken.Its too hard to catch you by fair play, so they come
                   up with creative ways to bend the rules and, until someone calls them on it, it continues to suck the life out of all kinds
                   of nice people.When it finally gets discovered that its illegal, they say to themselves,"ohwell, we took out 2000 growers
                   anyway.It got us that raise we wanted".

                   They will go through the open gate,come to the door as an actor,(while they`re inventorying the contents of everything
                   they can see through the windows,on the porch etc..they know the law is that,if its a felony in plain view,its
                   punishable)they`ll come up and tell you "oh,im sorry,wrong house", or whatever nifty trick they`ve devised amongst
                   themselves,smell bud, leave, and come back as a swat team with a search warrant.You have no idea how you got
                   popped.

                   Not to mention, the accidents that happen with an open gate.Do you think the UPS guy gives a damm about the
                   sign?He`s got things to do, same with all the others who invade your space,and cause problems.The sign is just words
                   to many people.If you have the ability to put a gate up,by all means,save yourself.Apartment people...hmmm..be extra
                   careful,you cant gate your situation.
                   Its peace of mind too..you dont have to worry about coming around the corner with a 3 footer or a tray of cuts and be
                   surprised by your square neighbor, coming over to talk to you about something.be prepared,or learn to enjoy reading
                   books in a 6x6 with Bubba.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - help me grow
                   DATE - 11:09:15 11/18/99
                   FROM - Paul Gould
 
                   Please help me grow the skunk indoors. Ive made attempts and they keep dying
 

 

 
                   TOPIC -
                   DATE - 09:02:04 11/18/99
                   FROM - KQ
 
                   Hibe....what if your gate is always open but you have a "no tresspassing" sign?? Wouldn't that be the same message?
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - neems oil
                   DATE - 04:13:27 11/18/99
                   FROM - pizza
 
                   i had a bad infestation of mites tried several different brands of mite killer a friend turned me onto neems oil 2 soakings
                   and a havent seen any mites since
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - Hibe...
                   DATE - 21:51:45 11/17/99
                   FROM - chronic man
 
                   Thanks for the info about the cops and the gate thing, I didnt know that. VERY good to know about, again thanks..and
                   as for Avid, ever since I started using it, I've NEVER had a mite problem again. Maybe a few here and there, 10-20,
                   hehehe, but nowhere near the little colonies they were erecting, which I basically just kept in check with various spray
                   concoctions, etc., you know the drill, I wonder if Neem oil works as well. Have you or anyone tried that??
                   Stay free, be careful
                   cHrOnIc man

                   P.S. Vic, the Romberry is looking better and better every day....
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - knock/talk/avid coverage
                   DATE - 11:28:19 11/17/99
                   FROM - hibe
 
                   knockntalk:i know from our local experiences that the cops who are looking for a grow op. will come to your door with a
                   WIDE variety of excuses..dont assume anyone at your front door is who they say they are..in order to check you
                   out,and maybe get a whiff of bud,they like to play Hollywood actor..For example..theyll come and play a convicing role
                   where they`ll ask if you know where so n so lives on this road, or "is this the house for sale?"..i dont find the excuse
                   that this guy using out of the ordinary to be a COP,playacting as someone else.In oregon,the knock and talk is the
                   MOST effective tool to knock out growers.Its only a matter of time until the word gets around to other copshops..But, if
                   you do some things to keep you safe,its all good. Get a gate. The gate implies Private property,which they cannot
                   (legally)breach.With no gate, you, in actuality,have INVITED the cops to come to your front door.Its PUBLIC DOMAIN
                   outside your front door(your doorstep is public),but the gate extends your private domain,and keeps other accidents
                   from happening.(btw:its usually an "accident" that gets ya.things you never even considered...ie.phonebook delivery
                   people smell and report you,..UPS guy drops a package onto the porch and sees fan leaves you spaced out and forgot
                   while taking cuttings yesterday...neighbor kids think that an open gate is an open invitation to run around YOUR
                   yard,discovering a skunky smell they tell their parents,or their teacher at school next week.,Cable guy,power
                   guy,phone guy,doortodoor salesguy,wrong addresses,..etc.)With the gate,you are safe in your domain.The gate
                   negates the knock and talk..they really HATE the GATE.;)

                   Avid:a friend did an Avid experiment with seriously infested greenhouse plants this summer.He sprayed one branch on
                   a plant with avid.ALL the mites on the plant died.He sprayed only down the one half of whole plants but the systemic
                   action of Avid took the whole mite population out.Point is:its not as important to "apply liberally,or thoroughly
                   soak".....its more important to expose ALL the areas to SOME Avid..ie.walls,floors,cracks,outside the room.
                   hope this helps..................................hibe

                   Vic:..sorry if this isn`t on topic for the page mann...the Triangle make it?

 

 

 
                   TOPIC - New Grow
                   DATE - 11:17:46 11/17/99
                   FROM - PusherBetty
 
                   As far as nutrients go in hydro's here is my experience?

                   Seed stage - use plain water.

                   Veg Stage - 24 hours of light and I use GH Flora Bloom 4ml per gallon, Grow 16 ml per gallon, and Micro ml per gallon.
 

                   I let the plants get about 8" tall then turn the lights down to 12/12 and use the following ORGANIC nutrient solutions:

                   30 ml Fox Farm Big Bloom per gallon
                   4 ml Pure Blend Grow per gallon
                   8 ml Maxicrop w/iron per gallon

                   With organics, you will need to change your reservoirs more often than with the Chemical GH Flora nutrients.

                   Betty
 

 

 

 
                   TOPIC - starting out
                   DATE - 07:21:41 11/17/99
                   FROM - new gro
 
                   I've been growing outdoors for a few years, and make a little money from it; but I have some seeds I want to grow for
                   personal use hydroponicly indoors. Could anyone give me a simple recipe for a good nutrient solution? I constructed a
                   small 4 plant setup, but have no experiance in hydro; please help. The seeds are from an extremely potent Niagra
                   strain I had the pleasure of barely remember smoking(THC>19%) it's killer, but the source said they almost never make
                   it outside, and closet grow isn't possible. Feel free to e-mail me with any suggestions. memnoche@excite.com
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - knockNtalk
                   DATE - 18:33:45 11/16/99
                   FROM - trelaway
 
                   My understanding is rom is stinky. Has your friend got a reason to think the cops would be intereested, like: does s/he
                   deal (esp coke), recent relationship break-up, does the grow have lite leaks, does yer buddy like to show it off etc?
                   Does his/her landlord have a key to the present dead-bolt; if so...don't necesarily assume they follow the 24 hour notice
                   rule. You don't have to answer these question here, just consider them.

                   Rule of thumb: if you grow, never answer the door to people you don't recognize. In a security apartment, never answer
                   a knock to yer door--tell those who know you to buzz up.

                   The reason the cop gave sounds phoney but that doesn't necesarily mean s/he was searching for a small apartment
                   grow--maybe just looking for someone.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - clones
                   DATE - 17:02:21 11/16/99
                   FROM - stiener
 
                   IAM VERY INTERSETED IN BUYING OR TRADEING FOR SOME CLONES,
                   THE STRAINS YOU HAVE LOOK REALLY UNIQUE ,PLEASE E- MAIL ME
                   BACK OR PAGE ME AT 622-962

 

 

 
                   TOPIC - thanks pusher betty mucho appreciated NFM
                   DATE - 14:43:00 11/16/99
                   FROM - champ
 
                   nfm
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - LEO knock and talk in BC
                   DATE - 09:00:03 11/16/99
                   FROM - knockNtalk
 
                   A friend is growing 6 plants in his apartment (Romberry Surprise BTW). A plainclothes cop came to the door and
                   asked how long he'd been in the apartment and if he knew a tenant that lived there in 1997. He claimed to be doing a
                   background check on an applicant to the RCMP.
                   The cop didn't look like he was trying to look into the apartment and didn't try to get close for a sniff.

                   Should my friend be worried about this?
                   This happened in Vic High's neck of the woods.
                   thanx
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - Mites
                   DATE - 07:50:59 11/16/99
                   FROM - PusherBetty
 
                   Champ, I got my Avid at www.african-violets.com. It is half strength, but one application on all walls, floors, every leaf,
                   stem, pot and the critters never reared their ugly heads again. Only $16.95 per bottle, they have a 1-800# to order from,
                   bottle is 2 ounces worth. Not sure if they ship to Canada though.

                   Betty
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - avid by the ounce
                   DATE - 15:54:28 11/15/99
                   FROM - champ
 
                   Hey all,recently my hard drive crashed causing me to lose all links i had saved as well as all other information.One very
                   important link i cant seem to find and i desperately need it now,is the link to a place were you could buy avid mite killer
                   by the ounce.I just found a mite infestation and i need to BLAST the little suckers as soon as possible.I am most
                   grateful to all who can help me find the link.
                   later
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - water clones
                   DATE - 15:22:11 11/15/99
                   FROM - coco Beans
 
                   thanks GP for the rooting info.All the clones are still striving and it's been over 4 days in water.
                   I have them in dark ceramic jars.

                   cb
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - water cloning
                   DATE - 14:31:10 11/15/99
                   FROM - Ganja`Peg
 
                   hey pi .... yes i do water cloning exclusivly .... my success rate is 95% or better {no bullshit}... i've only lost 5 or 6
                   clones in a year with my method.I just took a couple known facts and reasoned it should work, ie that cannabis needs
                   3 things to root well ... water, darkness, and oxygen.And they responded beautifully . Here are the basics : i use small
                   narrow necked bud vases commonly found at walmart in craft section,they are cheap but thick glass. I paint the
                   OUTSIDE black to cut out any light, the mass of leaves from the clones prevent any light from getting in from
                   above.Next i make sure clones are the normal 4 - 5 inches and remove any leaves and stems close to the main stem
                   to prevent rotting. For light i use normal cool white flouro tubes and keep temperature at 80 constant during the day and
                   no less than 70 at night.I change the water everyday to keep oxygen content up and make sure bottom of clone is cut
                   with a razor blade at about a 60 degree angle. After about 2 weeks the stems change noticibly, they thicken and swell
                   and the cut end starts to seal itself. A couple weeks later the customary root bumps appear.Some strains i let go a bit
                   longer in order to have roots more established but generally i plant em as soon as root bumps appear. I do give em a
                   light dusting of rootone to prevent any rot in the soil while it makes the conversion to soil roots, and to give it a boost ( i
                   do realize water roots are very different, and do not function well in soil } . I have successfully rooted the following
                   strains using just this method 1.G-13 2.Puna Butter 3.Genius 4.Stonehedge 5.NCGA Bluelight 6.Princess x Shiva ...
                   the only total failure i had was with cali-o and that was due to marginal clones ... they rooted in water well just as the
                   rest but didnt survive the shock of converting to soil. Im sure there will be alot who say im nuts .... but im doing it and
                   it's ALMOST idiot proof ... anyone no matter what thier botanical savy can do it ...its just that simple ;} ... peace la ...
                   its time for the idiocy to end bro ;}

 

 

 
                   TOPIC - Blueberry
                   DATE - 13:17:14 11/15/99
                   FROM - Confused
 
                   Hey all :) All my BB are showing really heavy indica traits...the pictures i have seen didnt look as chubby as my babies
                   but i have a slight problem.Towards the end of their 18 hr period the bigger leaves start to droop around the plant kinda
                   like when you dry the buds with the leaves still on....they seem to close around the stem as if to protect it.Anyway i
                   wasn't sure if this was a problem or just an indica thing...i saw the post about the 21 yr smoker....hell i haven't even
                   been alive that long! :) so i have a lot to learn....any help would be mightily appreciated :)

                   ps. The babies are at about 2 1/2 weeks and the whole room STINKS! I have never seen this type of odour at 2 1/2
                   weeks Veg.I have a bunch of Indoor Mix which i thought might be the problem but it seems to be the blues that are
                   giving off the strongest smell...really nice unlike the sweat smell of the Indoor Mix :)
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - oops / cloning in water/ wish i was there
                   DATE - 13:53:43 11/14/99
                   FROM - pi
 
                   meant to include this with the post below...

                   i have tried it with no success in the past however ganja pegs does this almost exlusively with a 100% success rate or
                   so he tell me.

                   -uses floral vases from wall mart
                   -paints em black on the outside
                   -uses unadulterated tap water
                   -does not use any cloning gel
                   -changes the water daily
                   -takes about 30 days to see bumps

                   this is all i the facts i know. pegs is somewhat shy and a lurker. i will direct him here for more info

                   vic and all... hope you are having a jam up time wish i was there. hope a-1 is gaining on em!
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - spazz vic
                   DATE - 12:58:44 11/14/99
                   FROM - pi
 
                   vic i guess i should get some fire from you as my smart alecky remarks to spaz could be construed or misonstrued as
                   personal attacks.

                   didnt mean for my post to be anymore than smart alecky and i apologize to spaz if it caused he or she to think of 4
                   letter words in reprisal heh. btw spaz i been smoking since 73 (early twenties) and have seen bunches in my time. no
                   youngin here either.

                   43 years eh. than you really are an OLD fart too!
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - outdoor weed
                   DATE - 11:17:10 11/14/99
                   FROM - trelaway
 
                   This may seem wierd, me living in BC, remarking about outdoor weed. Thing is, I rarely get to smoke any. A buddy
                   and his son did a guerilla grow this year and last week began passing it 'round to friends.

                   This stuff didn't get harvested til late october, went thru two frosts and still totally rocks. Think I'm gonna have to buy a
                   place in the boonies someday and have me a garden.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - water and clones
                   DATE - 21:09:31 11/13/99
                   FROM - coco Beans
 
                   ok I 'll stay on topic. How about rooting clones in water anyone have any tips. Someone on the other board suggested
                   film cans.
                   anyone have info on the sweet tooth suprises? What kind of suprise are we in for.
                   thanks,

                   cb
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - spaz
                   DATE - 10:40:08 11/13/99
                   FROM - Vic High
 
                   Spaz, beat it with your personal attacks, they are not welcome in the least!!

                   PB, just getting close to you girl, hehe. Trying my hand at being the ugly Canadian In this fine State of California,
                   haha. Nice place, but so so smokey!! hahah

                   Hey BD!! got a couple of gifts from the bros for ya, haha!!
 

 

 

 
                   TOPIC -
                   DATE - 07:13:08 11/13/99
                   FROM - occam
 
                   Coco Beans: I always enjoy a debate, but let's try to stay on topic before Vic gets the delete button working. ;)

                   spaz: Thanks. The concern you expressed for my well-being is so important to me.
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - Smart Assizm
                   DATE - 05:32:13 11/13/99
                   FROM - PusherBetty
 
                   I am soooooo embarrassed. Pi was right, I didn't read all of the posts and when I did read the posts that I did read
                   (hahah), I was stoney stoney stoney and had my head up my arse as usual.

                   My apologies Occam, I thought you were the one that was into the astrology thingy. Outerspace does interest me, but
                   I have never studied it so I guess I shoulda kept my mouth shut :), hard for us women aye? hehe

                   So do any of you Canadians have extensive knowledge in hydroponic marijuana growing? Maybe we can exchange
                   some tricks. I have been growing in hydro (flood and drain) for 5 years now and soil for geez 25 years or more.

                   Oh and Spaz, smoke another one! hehe

                   Vic - Where are you?????

                   Sweaty Betty
 

 

 

 
                   TOPIC - 41 yrs
                   DATE - 01:33:55 11/13/99
                   FROM - spaz
 
                   pi it took a bit to figure out just how long i have smoked for,well the grand total is 41 years.
                   the first 20yrs was recreational,the last 21 were medicinal{lukemia} .ive probably smoked more weed than youve seen
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - no heat
                   DATE - 23:43:38 11/12/99
                   FROM - spaz
 
                   pi.. no im not a cop.love to get high{purple sweetness, oh and i to often find myself contemplating female navels
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - malawi star and skunkowsk?
                   DATE - 14:05:30 11/12/99
                   FROM - nexus
 
                   I am getting some malawi star and skunkowski from a friend they are freddy's seeds .but he has no info on them, Does
                   anyone have anyinfo on these strains?

                   peace out
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - pi
                   DATE - 10:43:48 11/12/99
                   FROM - oldtimer1
 
                   More like your Bro, thanks for your thinking of me hope things are better for you. Ot1
 

 

 
                   TOPIC - yuck / ot1
                   DATE - 10:26:32 11/12/99
                   FROM - pi
 
                   aeric... are you saying occam needs to take a shit? ;0)

                   pb... you need to read occum's post closer. seems to me that he does not believe in that stuff either duh ;), just trying
                   to stir up debate and opinions is all. Maybe i am reading it wrong... ya think?

                   spaz... your just another four letter word in my book hehe. i question weather or not you even smoke... your not a
                &n