TOPIC - Green Sand,Horticultural Charcoal
DATE - 05:25:05 6/01/99
FROM - Torog
Howdy-does anyone know if these two elements are good to put in an
organic based mix with SunShine Professional Growing mix-I bought
them-might as well use it...thanks (ps growing indoors)
TOPIC - Help ?
DATE - 22:52:10 5/31/99
FROM - Rob
I have set up a contained grow closet about 3" Wide * 5" Tall * 2.5" Deep
Need advice on short potent affordable seeds and lighting for the closet.
The Strawberry blonde surprise and fighting cockarell both look good can
anyone tell me the expected height and yild for both?
TOPIC - crane
DATE - 22:09:43 5/31/99
FROM - Old Bud
You can use the bulb in a pinch and get 1 grow out of it. Be carefull the
stem
(glass above the base) is not as strong as the u model so you need to add
support at the end of the bulb. Use a piece of bare wire or shim stock
and
fasten to the hood in a saddle shape.
Good luck
TOPIC -
DATE - 20:25:15 5/31/99
FROM - t2
vic thats right,they break down fast and to much can be caustic for sure
TOPIC - fungus gnats / lights
DATE - 19:46:54 5/31/99
FROM - crane
Thanks for the feedback, stupid mistakes both to have used
the compost/manure/sunshine and to have tried to makeup for
that with a half assed nicrowave steriliziation. I was in
such a hurry to get those things started I thought I'd skip
the usual procedure and start them in a regular mix. Ah
well... live and learn.
So can anyone tell me what's the problem with using a base
up (BU) bulb in a horizontal fixture? I've got one here
that's never been used and I'd like to pop it in if it won't
be a problem. I don't care about the bulb life, but if it
doesn't develop full intensity then I wouldn't want that.
Vic- will pass along any reports on the malawi I hear for
now. Still don't know if it'd work out in my garden, haven't
spoken to anyone who's tried it in a similar setting yet,
but unless I hear some tough luck stories I'll probably
start some in the next month
TOPIC -
DATE - 16:15:44 5/31/99
FROM - Vic High
Mike - your best bet is to search the archives at Weedbase - General Indoor.
Pay particular attention to the posts by SCW and Cha Cal. I think they
are the
local Scrog gurus.
http://www.laughing-moon.com/forum/geni/index.html
TOPIC - ScrOG - growing angel required
DATE - 15:07:46 5/31/99
FROM - Mike
Have you ever grown this way?
I would love to hear from you about how to get started, and maybe you could
share a few 'worked' tips.
I'd love to hear from you,
Mike
TOPIC - fungas gnat predator (Hypoaspis)
DATE - 13:55:58 5/31/99
FROM - edhassle
Vic thanks for the advice,I'll give them a try.Thanks! :)
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:45:12 5/31/99
FROM - Vic High
T2 - wood ashes would only be a short term fix like rapid lime, right?
And
have little buffering ability? Plus the more ashes, the higher the pH?
edhassel, fungas gnat predator (Hypoaspis) will wipe out the fungas gnats
and control the thrips at the same time. That is if the biologically derived
chems don't work. :)
TOPIC - citrus thrips problem
DATE - 11:46:38 5/31/99
FROM - edhassle
I recently mixed up some of vic's super soil mix using a grow mix other
than
the pro-mix I usually use.I noticed a small thrip infestation on some 4wk
old
seedlings.Hoping to kill the little s.o.b's before the plants get any bigger
I
sprayed them with rotenone/pyrethum drenching the underside of the leafs
the best I could.I,m still trying to figure out where they came from...could
they
have been in the non-soil mix consisting of mostly peat moss?,I had this
same problem a few years ago when I used potting soil that was not
sterlized and took me forever to get rid of the little bastards.I,ve been
fighting
a battle with fungus gnats also I,ve drenched the soil with gnatrol once
and it
seems to have killed the larve in soil,would this also kill any thrip eggs
in the
soil?.Any advice or suggestions are appreciated.
TOPIC - ph up
DATE - 10:29:46 5/31/99
FROM - t2
like lime,wood ashes are a fast way to raise ph and also add calcium and
potash. i prefer to use it in my compost pile,because when manure is being
composted,lime causes the release of nitrogen into the atmosphere in the
form of ammonia which reduces the nitrogen available to organisms and
plants
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:50:16 5/31/99
FROM - Vic High
Kenkeman - You do have a unique situation with your local. All I can suggest
is find a farmer's outlet and ask them for what they use to nutralize soil
acidity. I often hear mention of using finely ground oyster shells in place
of
dolomite lime (also called agricultural lime BTW). I know they supply Ca
but
am not certain of their pH buffering ability. I used to feed them to my
chickens
(hint :). Best is to talk to the locals, they will know what works in your
area.
Don't need to talk pot here, veggies will work, haha.
Crane - got a few of the malawi myself. I won't be growing them for a while
but would appreciate any you gather for when I do. As fro seedling problems,
allI can offer is my methods. I just use plain old sunshine#1 for clones
and
seed starts. No ferts forat least about two weeks, except that I soak the
medium overnight with 50 drops/gal solution of nutriboost. Preventing mold
and insects is of primary concern at this stage for me so I don't screw
around with my medium. Good to see you around, hope all else is well.
Trelaway - it will depend on your growing style as to whether you will
want to
add anything. I would add dolomite lime though to prevent the peat
breakdown causing the pH to drift downwards. Drainagewill be fine for this
time of year. Adding a little perlite is nice for the colder months though,
that is
what sunshine #4 is, haha. Other than that it will just depend on how you
are
comfortable feeding your plants.
Webby - it has been a while since our paths crossed, good to see ya. About
that lime deal, I guess many misunderstood or jumped to conclusions as
to
what I was saying. I would never recommend recommend adding dolomite
lime to an alkaline soil for nutritional reasons alone. That antagonist
has
been folowing me for a while and figured he found himself a soft tender
spot
to bite into, haha. It's interesting that in your area alone that the pH
of your
lime varies. Until this discussion was started I never even considered
that
limes from different regions would have different effects on our gardens.
But
it makes sense. I imagine the Mg to Ca ratio can have an effect (CaCO3
on
it's own is quite caustic) as can various impurities. It was actually a
good
learning thread, too bad it had to be confrontational.
Glad the romberry worked for ya. I tried to get my entire inventory of
.75romulan/.25blueberry to california to some mutual friends of ours to
pass
around but as you know, shit happened and last I heard, only 1 was left.
Hope it was a girl. If you liked the lemony/piney aroma/flavour these would
have been much nicer than the romberry but many of them were also much
stinkier. Ya guys think romberry stinks, haha, you wouldn't believe romulan.
Definately a security risk though.
TOPIC - Kenkeman
DATE - 08:38:46 5/31/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All, Kenkeman- Im glad to see you decided to give the Durban a go this
time around, it should love the tropics! I was at the garden shop yesterday,
saw a 100 year old 18" tall Bonsai Maple tree, I wanted it but 500$$$ hmmm.
Hey Kenke 4lb bags of graunlar lime are only 2$, if you want I could post
one
or two your way, might be a good "Top Dressing" seeing how the Niagras
are going allready,and you cant get it in your country, but it could be
there in
time for the rest. Let me know,one day when im in Panama, you can buy me
dinner to return the favor. You should have a great holiday/harvest
season;-))Also you may want to go a bit bigger, if you can on the pots
for
Rom x AF#1, af had a prolbem with rootbound stress with them (hermi).
edhassle- glad to hear that they germed well, watch them carefully, af
germed 4-beans 3 months ago 3 were fem, 2 of them made it to 12/12
closet, one in a 2 gal pot 1 in a 5 gal pot, due to traffic clogs in the>
Transfer interrupted!
ng time, no prob for the gal in a 5 gal pot, but the 2 gal went herm, from
being
rootbound, there was a 1.5" mass of roots at the bottom of the pot, and
she
was real un-happy in the 80watt per sqft garden, but the one in 5 gal pot
is at
around 30days flower now and doing great, shes a bit less odordifious then
her mom;-) her leaves are a bit smaller , but other than that the Romberry
traits were dominate, a branch broke last week, giving af a early sample
of
27 day old bud, and its great allready.;-)
Peace
TOPIC - A little report!
DATE - 07:06:58 5/31/99
FROM - Kenkeman
Hello to all! Yesterday I finally got my project on the way. This is the
status. I
have 20 Niagaras that are about 5 inches tall planted in soil under 4 40watt
floros. They will be there for another week so they get strong enough to
place
outdoors. I purchased a propagation tray and planted 3 Jack Flash F1 from
Sensi, 10 Peak 19s, 5 Durban Poison, 3 Ingamar's Punch, 10 Romberys, 10
Special Sativa from a friend, 5 Rom x Af1, 5 Jack Flash F2, and 3 Cali
Orange. I will inform as to the germination results of all. They were place
on
top of the balasts so the heat can help.
They also will be kept for two weeks under the floros and then they will
all go
outside in various locations. I have one small problem. I can not get dolomite
lime where I am from and I might have problems with my ph. Any
alternatives?
I will be planting in 3 gallon pots with a mixture of soil, vermiculite,
perlite,
worm castings and organic ferts.
I will keep all posted as to my progress..
Fumen motta y disfruten la vida!
Kenkeman
TOPIC - seed eaters / testing males via oil
DATE - 06:28:23 5/31/99
FROM - pi
on the seed eaters, it sounds like fungas gggggnat larvae to me.
have some males that are dry and some butane. will see if i can yield some
righteous oil from these males and let yall know.
TOPIC - crane
DATE - 05:26:03 5/31/99
FROM - 180
crane, i thought i posted something before, but i guess it didn't get onto
the
board (posting while toasting):
microwave ovens are notorious for uneven heating. 200 F in one spot, room
temp in another. so that could be the prob, or if you left the soil for
a bit before
using it perhaps the fungus gnats paid a visit and laid some eggs.
letting the sprouting mix sit around, wet and inactive, is also an invitation
to
pythium and other molds, so use it "fresh".
in the outdoors, the plant produces huge amounts of seed, of which only
a
few survive. indoors, we have to create conditions that will insure survival
of
almost ALL the seedlings, so it pays to take every possible precaution...btw,
those few that survive on their own outdoors are mostly NOT good smoke
;-)
outdoor selective pressures don't give any preference to potency and flavor.
TOPIC -
DATE - 04:17:58 5/31/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Thanks Vic one for my archive I think. Ot1.
TOPIC - seed eaters
DATE - 14:36:17 5/30/99
FROM - crane
sb, 180 - thanks for the coments & condolences. Luckily
those seeds weren't irreplaceble, just a piss off cause it
bungs up my timing and planning. I've gotta learn not to
count on my eggs before they hatch... or not before they
shed the egg shell anyhow. ;-) I'm still curious about the
identity of this unknown seed eater since I'd like to know
where I went wrong - whether I failed to get the mix sterile
or if the invaders got into the mix after. If anyone has any
ideas I'd be interested to hear. You can post here or get me
at the email above. Thanks guys...
On an unrealated note, anyone grown doc greenthumbs malawi?
I've never smoked a pure sativa, but it's enough to make
your mouth water hearing about them. Curious to hear if it's
a practical undertaking for a guy like me. (small garden,
small budg
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:09:44 5/30/99
FROM - trelaway
A friend gave me a bail of sunshine #1 and after doing some web research
can't decide whether to supplement...any thoughts?
here's the site
http://www.sungro.com/index.html
TOPIC - champague special germinate report
DATE - 11:30:45 5/30/99
FROM - edhassle
Greetings all,Just a quick update I thought all of vic's specials got destroyed
after my recent problems with Leo but I was looking in the refrigerator
and
must have over looked them!I germinated 20 with the paper towel method
and 18 sprouted.there
Also germinated 17 rom/afghan all 17 sprouted and appear very healthy
Thanks Budm!
Mighty mite I agree with all you said expect the part about urinating around
your plants to keep deer away,I,ve been bowhunting for years and urine
is
urine I pee in a deer scrape and the deer can,t tell my pee from another
deer,s.The deer are attractive to the urine don't do it around your plants.I,ve
had good luck with bars of soap.
TOPIC - something OT may be interested in
DATE - 11:09:42 5/30/99
FROM - Vic High
J Pharm Pharmacol 1992 Dec;44(12):947-51
Some features of Cannabis plants grown in the United Kingdom
from seeds of known origin.
Pitts JE, Neal JD, Gough TA
Laboratory of the Government Chemist, Teddington, UK.
The cannabinoid content of UK-grown plants (up to the 6th generation) from
Moroccan, Sri Lankan and
Zambian seedstock was determined by TLC, GLC and HPLC. All plants from
the 5th and 6th series
resembled their parents, and UK-grown plants were always much greener
than those grown overseas.
Cannabinoid content remained broadly typical of the source countries.
However, tetrahydrocannabinolic
acid (THCA) consistently predominated over tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) to
a
far greater extent than in
the original plants; the THCA/THC ratio was 17 in UK-grown plants
compared with 2.0 in the plants from
the original areas. Two types of plant emerged from the Moroccan
seedstock, one tending to increased
cannabidiol (CBD), the other tending to zero levels of this component.
The
first generation Sri Lankan
plants revealed one type of plant with an increased CBD/THC ratio (1.7
compared with 0.11) but this
returned to the original value in the succeeding generations. Other Sri
Lankan plants had low or
undetectable levels of CBD. Moroccan and Sri Lankan CBD-rich plants did
not contain cannabichromene,
although this cannabinoid was found in THC-rich plants. Zambian plants
did
not appear to show such a
pattern. Zambian seedstock plants had total tetrahydrocannabivarin (diol
and
acid) levels greater than THC
but the ratio was progressively reversed in succeeding generations. The
study concludes that the ratios of
particular cannabinoids is greatly influenced by the environment.
PMID: 1361557, UI: 93108232
TOPIC - Mighty Mite
DATE - 11:04:37 5/30/99
FROM - Johhny Greenleaf
Hey Mighty Mite... Thanks for the outdoor tips!! Gonna do some set and
forget
outdoor style... I'm curious about the potency of your Mighty MiteXSkunk
variety. I got some Dutch Mighty Mites from Marc Emery. Don't know what
to
expect from this strain... Any Input??? Thanks!!
TOPIC - attention Budm
DATE - 09:49:26 5/30/99
FROM - phranklin
About those "perfect containers..." Restauraunts get their mayo in bulk
containers that might be just what you're looking for. They're 10" square
and
quite deep. Hope this is of some help. Peace.
TOPIC - Larvae
DATE - 08:14:49 5/30/99
FROM - Mighty Mite
180 : I had a simular problem with larvae last season too. However, my
problem was in living soil, it was in styril peat moss pellets. I lost
3
seedlings that season.
Tips for the outdoors!
I have picked up a few tips when growing outdoors to cure some of those
pesky creatures:
Dig your holes and put out your soil 1 week before putting out your plants.
I
used triple mix with a blend of dry kelp, bone & blood meal, and hydrated
lime if need for PH. I find that skunks & racoons dig up the holes
(going after
the shit), but they only dig it up once (usually that night after you put
it out).
Deer problems? no problem. Put a bar of soap up in a tree around your site.
Deer hate the smell of human soap, and will stay Long away from it.
Insects. They usually attack your plant just after you put them out. come
back
a week - week and a half later, and hit them with bug dust if you see any
damage, otherwise, leave them. I personally dont' like smoking bug dust!
:)
Piss around your site! This keeps all animals away, its a way of "marking
your territory".
Preventing rippers! Best advice is to keep your mouth shut! Don't tell
anyone
about it, because 1000's of dollars of weed is tempting for anyone to steal!
The other advice is, don't leave a trail! Find a way to a spot with leaving
little
or no trail off the orginal trail, and branch off your trail in several
directions
keeping your true trail fairly hidden.. I tip toe into my spots, making
sure not
to knock over any vegetation. Picking your spot is also the key! The harder
you work for your site, the harder it makes the ripper work for it. Rippers
are
lazy, and will not walk too far off the main trail, and sure as hell aren't
going
to go too far out of their way for plants they dont' even know they exist!
Grow early strians! I have some mighty mite x skunk seeds that I have grown
for 4 generatiosn now! They are of rudulas background which makes them
flower after only 6-8 weeks of veg growth, then bud for 8 weeks. they are
finished early - mid auguest, long before the rippers are out!
TOPIC - liryygygygygygyrig67nlysoer
DATE - 00:28:24 5/30/99
FROM - ,jvhjf
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TOPIC - pots/plants,lime
DATE - 19:25:47 5/29/99
FROM - webfish
Budm try going to a good quality nursery and asking them about used plastic
pots ,I get them for 20cents 1 gal and 50 cents 2.5 gal,cheap and work
great...
Vic how are you??Its been a long time ,,,,the Romberry is exellent yields
are
above average and in the corners the best plant I have.. Her skunky
lemony/berry flavor imressses most all who try it and potency is very nice
and
up.....Thanks,,,,, I havent seen you around much so I thought I'd drop
by your
"house" and see how you are doing,I did by chance catch the thread about
Dolimite Lime ,,,,I dont have a PHD in hortoculture but as my work is with
plants and have been doing it for over 15 years I would say I have a practical
PHD he he my experiance with lime is that it makes a good neutrelizer (7.0)
in water and makes R/O hold PH through time and fert additives,,,when used
in organic soil with organic ferts ,also with buffered chem ferts but non
PH'D
ferts IE:miracle grow and schultz,it seems to break and go up ,,I have
never
used the particular brand you mention, and source does seem to matter it
verys as much as .5 PH from different nursuries,,,,I have a top of the
line
Oakton,one decmil point pen but it is very consistant...Just my opinion
on this
deal....Email me some time so's we can chat..
webfish@england.com
TOPIC - Surprise Results
DATE - 16:37:13 5/29/99
FROM - Moose
I have had excellent results so far with RSB Surprise and the Romberry
Surprise. I only wish the $100+ Dutch seedpacks of individual strains
performed half as well! I am nearing week four with a number of perfectly
stunning plants and have begun 12/12 for sexing. The Romberry plants are
very diverse in appearence! They run the gamut from extremely sativa-esque
phenotype to very stout, Blueberry dominant, bushes. I have tried to grow
DP
Blueberry in the recent past with very disappointing results so I am looking
forward to the experience of that strain in a more productive plant.
The two RSB Surprise plants I am working with are remarkably similar. They
are slow-growing, unbushy, and unlike anything I have seen before. I love
surprises so I am psyched to see what will eventuate.
A note on the NCGA Primo mix whaich I purchased at the smar time as the
Suprises for comparison's sake. I found these seeds to germinate well but
many of the seedlings were excessively leggy. Of ten seeds, three plants
were retained but two of them are very comely and when you rub the stems,
you can already feel some oiliness and the aroma left on the fingers is
promising indeed.
I have germinated and grown out many packs of seeds over the last two
years. So far, the Surprises have been the most rewarding to work with.
Thanks for making them available at such a modest price. And for including
twenty rather then ten seeds in each pack. This aspect of the deal provides
tremendous advantage in the process of selecting superior mother plants
and I appreciate the consideration.
TOPIC - 180
DATE - 14:02:19 5/29/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all, 180 I know of those prepared institional/commerical food containers,
I
did not think about them for containers for gardining, thanks Ill keep
my eyes
open for some.
A update, on the youngans
RSB sups looking great still waiting on pre-flowers, have started alternating
phylotaxy. One looks to have a possiable sat for a dad, long spaced nodes
4-5" large leaves.Another in contrast is very tight node spacing a/b 1"
and compact in size, I like the diversity, the outcomes will be intresting.
P.75 sup also looking great at about 6 weeks, also waiting on sex
Wash sup- One male showed. culled, waiting on the others, looks good,
nice lat branching.
L.S. sup, Just one but its the biggest seedling of the batch started 6
weeks
ago, very healthy.
PR- showed male, so was placed in flower closet to start on the road to
pollen collection, waiting on the haze to pollinate it with.
Peak19 F2s- Very dark leaves like Romberry, real vigerous, 1 female so
far,
they look very stable, not exactally what I expected, but 4 seedlings is
hardly a
good sampling.
A great 3 day weekend to everyone;-)
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:56:47 5/29/99
FROM - trelaway
So, like many people I suppose, I started to grow cause I got sick of smoking
uncleared bud that torched my throat. It's sad, I think, that BC has this
global
reputation for MJ but so much is grown by people who only do half the job.
Sorry, just thought I'd bitch to people who'd understand it.
I tried this new thing-a buddy had had to crop early fearing he'd discovered
a
rat in the midst. Hard as hell on the throat to smoke and it was all going
to
go to butter til I read you could boil harsh pot, redry it and it'd leach
some of
the bad stuff (Nitrogen, chlorophyll, I dunno just guessing).
Anyway, I boiled some for ten minutes and broke it up to air dry (read:
mold
concern). Works great, comes out hard as hash but I'm baked off the shit
right now and, tho not totally clear, definately smokeable.
TOPIC - Budm
DATE - 17:39:18 5/28/99
FROM - 180
Budm, the deli pails sb mentioned are what i use. square footprint (like
10"x10"), come in several sizes but the most common seems to be the 3.5,
about 13" high. you can easily cut and drill them to your spec. only problem
is, unless you have access to restaurant kitchens, etc, it is hard to amass
many of them (because of employees like me). also, you might want to try
the heavy black plastic grow bags, they come in a 3 gal size.
crane, bummer! hope you didn't lose too many seeds. i had the same
problem once in the past, i actually caught the little translucent wigglers
eating a seed. it was in a batch that i tried to sprout in "live" soil.
mistake! i
lost most of those seeds, and they were not replaceable. i decided after
that
to only use a store-bought sterile potting mix for germinating and cloning.
haven't seen those f**kin' larvae since.
peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 16:10:46 5/28/99
FROM - sb
Budm
I have 2 friends using rubbermaid style trashcans in the approx deminsions
you specified with terrific results.Also check out the 3 gal square buckets
used by deli's etc.
I prefer growing plants to about 3sqft of canopy with my current setup
so that
3-4 plants fill my flowering area.As the footprint question is mute with
this
type of system I opted for 5 gal buckets.
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:23:25 5/28/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all, Im I the only one that is alaways on the look out for better
containers/pots? Im trying to find a tall pot thats about 3.5 gallons but
is tall
and has the "footprint" of a 2 gal pot. Does this sound like its the right
idea, in
a small garden IMO this might help in the rootbound stress
area, and allow for more plants in the closet, of course yield would be
increased, especially if one is trying to work with strains that have a
low
amount of branching.
skinman- that describes how the sauce at "Wings and Things" in Ft
Lauderdale works, kinda like "creeper wings". Thank you kindly for the
offer;-)
But id rather not impose on anyone. I just bought a couple of packs of
wings,
and we are going to put Subs recipe to the try this weekend, hotwings if
ya
like em, have a certain amount of time threshold that you go, and then
wham
you get a urge and you just got to have em. I guess alot of things are
like that.
A good weeekend and Memorial day to all;-)
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:01:27 5/28/99
FROM - sb
Crane
Good to see you're still around. The only time I've experienced the seed
disaster scenario of which you speak, I found live, semi translucent, 1/4"
long larvae dining on the roots and leaving nothing but empty seed husk.
I was told to pour a weak diazinon solution through the soil so off I run
to
home depot for the diazinon. I made the mistake of buying a product with
a
"new improved" additive to make it stick to the folliage enhancing it's
effectiveness. As it turns out the additive also sticks to roots and apparently
suffocated the entire treated portion of the grow. Sorry I can't be of
more help,
but I haven't seen them since.
sinc.
sb
Oh Yeah
Kenkeman
CONGRATS BRUDDAH! Talk about a life changer.haha
TOPIC - sprout raiding motherf**ks!
DATE - 11:11:12 5/28/99
FROM - crane
Hey guys... coming out of my cave this morning after a long
absence from these chat boards to relate a mysterious
situation in my garden. Hope somebody will know what the
heck happened:
Started 10 seeds a while back in a mix of potting soil
(sunshine) and compost, mushroom manure etc. One seed has
now become a healthy looking baby plant and another is
raised up out of the soil and working to shed it's coat. A
third sprout was just visible at the surface yesterday, a
bit of white tap root sticking out next to it. Now here's
the mystery: This morning I go to check on things and the
first two plants are still there above the soil, but I can't
see the sprout anymore. I poke around a bit, and sure enough
- it's been eaten! The empty halfs of the seed coat are
there in the dirt but no plant left. Now I panic. I poke
around in the next seeds site... can't find it, and then I
see half the seed coat! Sadly ALL the rest of the pots are
the same, eight of ten seeds eaten by an unkown raider.
When preparing the soil I mixed up the compost with the
sunshine mix and then popped the filled starter pots in the
microwave for 10 minutes on high. Checking the temperature
with a candy thermometer, I saw they were getting up over
200 degrees F, but perhaps that was only in the center and
somewhere down at a bottom edge some nastys were still
alive?
Does anybody know what type of creature might be responsible
for this minor disaster? I saw no insects in the room...
well, a few common flys had been sneeaking in there
attracted by my nearby composter, but they wouldn't do this
would they? I saw no live grubs or worms in the soil, though
I did see some small cooked ones. I did find two little
"pods" I couldn't identify, smaller than a lentil but
similar in shape. Light brown/yellow. I squashed these
rather than save them to see if they were the next
generation of insects. They could have been plant matter
from the compost too, I have no idea.
Sorry to be so long, thanks
TOPIC - Budm you have mail plus a question for anyone!
DATE - 08:02:51 5/28/99
FROM - Kenkeman
Does anyone have any information concerning Ingmar's Punch? Plan to
germinate seeds in 3 days...
Fumen motta!
TOPIC - Budm - Wing sauce
DATE - 07:30:36 5/28/99
FROM - Skinman
Hey Brah, the one from the Jamaican gathering was called Skinman's
Tomato Snakebite. If you like I'll give Sub a bottle to get to you, still
got a few
12oz. bottles left from the last batch. Took about 2 1/2 years and lots
of
research at Three Dollar Cafe in Atlanta to get it right. I based mine
on their
sauce and then pulled a Justan Wilson and Emril Lagasse maneuver
(added more onion and garlic - among other things). If'n I was to recite
the
whole recipe it might be the longest post yet. Takes about two whole legal
sheets (A4) of paper just to write out the process. The trick that I worked
on
was that the heat is cumulative. The first one tastes good and isn't really
that
hot, but by the fifth one your lips are numb and stopping means feeling
the
heat.
As Mel Brooks once said, "It's good to be the king!"
Have a good and safe Memorial Day All!
Skinman out.
TOPIC - Happy Mem day
DATE - 03:19:36 5/28/99
FROM - Subcool
Yo ho ho,
So FYI I think freezing the materia makes impurities in the oil it seems
darker
with this method. Think insulating the pvc is plenty of control. Skin maybe
even try a shorter version the idea is for the butane to be in contact
for only a
brief time.
BTW not as fancy but some like my sause as much as skins heres the
recipe.
Sub proven 1 hour sause
1 large bottle Texas pete hot sause
1/2 stick butter
2-5 tablespoons brown sugar according to how sweet ya like ya wings
assorted seasonings mailnly pepper and garlic
melt butter add hot sause and rest simmer slowly for about a hour
keep slightly warm
fry wing fast and crispy dump into a mixing bowl cover with sause and stir
em around...chow down :)
Also works great with fried shrimp.
see ya'll tuesday
sub
TOPIC - 123
DATE - 21:18:28 5/27/99
FROM - ~shabang~
123
TOPIC - sorry for 2x posting
DATE - 16:54:07 5/27/99
FROM - Budm
Thats "barter" material. sorry.
TOPIC - "Chat" at hempqc.com
DATE - 16:52:06 5/27/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all, I have not been to heavens stairway site in a while,
RC the "split window" at the chat button betwween BCGA & NCGA, is great.
Ill
be acccessing from here more often! PH/Dolo Lime are the du'jour at NCGA
these days I see.
OT1- Did you get my mail?
Who makes that kick butt wing sauce? I have some batter material, if your
intrested? The wife loves those wings.
Peace
TOPIC - pi, brill idea
DATE - 16:50:32 5/27/99
FROM - 180
pi, excellent idea. it might be difficult to quantify the results uniformly
(different
weights and composition of material in diff batches), but it would be a
cool
way to judge the resin content of selected males if you could control it
well
enough. i refuse to smoke them or subject my friends to the same, so i'm
limited, just judge by stature, aroma, resin production, flower production,
earliness, etc.
skinman, thanks for the details, you've almost got me wanting to do this
crazy
thing :-)
TOPIC - picking a male
DATE - 15:13:23 5/27/99
FROM - pi
i had a thought re: picking a male for breeding purposes
Many look at the physical characteristics only when picking a male for
breeding purposes, while others also smoke the male ... yuck.
my thought is that the oil extraction method can now be used to judge males
for potency without having to smoke stanky leaves. i have a few recently
culled males in the trash. i an gonna dry the leaves and make oil from
each
to see 1) if this works for males 2)if there is a difference between males.
sure would be nice to find out if this works for males as well. i will
keep
everyone posted.
TOPIC - thanks ontariodude!
DATE - 14:01:36 5/27/99
FROM - kenkeman
Although ostrich meat contains virtually no cholesterol they can be mean
birds which are in fact quite strong...
gracias!!!
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:48:55 5/27/99
FROM - OntarioDude
IMO - In My Opinion
-=OntarioDude=-
TOPIC - Budm! You have mail!
DATE - 13:19:24 5/27/99
FROM - Kenkeman
What does IMO mean? I take it that it does not mean "I Manhandle
Ostriches" or does it?
Fumen mucha motta!
TOPIC - Oily thoughts
DATE - 12:23:37 5/27/99
FROM - Skinman
My first spur-of-the-moment attempt at the oil extraction method was in
one
of those small plastic Gatorade "sport" bottles with the nozzle on the
end.
Sub and I found that the chamber was too large and that the liquid form
of
the solvent evaporated too quickly, maybe 9 0z. butane can was too small
for
that size bottle. We did get a decent sized glob with that method, but
you
could see where much of the oil was still in the container. A coupla days
later
we tried a 1" peice of PVC 14" long with a pyrex glass flat bottomed container
to catch the liguid as it exits the tube. One end cap has 3 holes for drainage,
the other a small hole completely through for gas which is flared to fit
the
nozzle of a 2.5 oz Ronsonol Butane can. This size and brand are just local
to
my area, just make sure it isn't BernzOmatic or another brand containing
Capstan oil. You can easily tell by squirting the can quickly, if it smells
like
propane or rotten eggs it's got Capstan oil in it and will taint your final
product. The flared hole is nice since it seriously reduces blowback when
pressure mounts in the PVC cylinder. The amazing thing was that I got twice
the amount from my first attempt and I used the same "schwag" from the
sport bottle. Here's another kicker, I was running low yesterday and still
had
a tube full of schwag which I had already run once. Well I figured it couldn't
hurt to try and run another 2.5 oz. can through there. Lo and behold I
got
about 2/3s the amount of the original run! Wish I'd saved all the batches
I'd
dumped before!
I think the serious reduction in gas usage and increase in yield has to
be
due to the chamber size itself. With a smaller diameter and longer length
the
liguid solvent must travel thru the schwag longer and therefore extracts
more
goodies. Since we placed foam insulation on the outside of the tube,
ambient temperature was not so much a factor as before, and therefore the
solvent stayed in liguid form longer. Also due to it's small size It's
just too
convienient to place the filled tube into the freezer to further lower
the
temperature before extraction.
As pointed out by Curious George, and rightly so, this is a very volitile
method
of extraction so NEVER use metal, smoke nearby, or attempt this method
indoors. As someone who has experienced 2nd and 3rd degree burns on
both legs from the knees down, I don't recommend plating with volitile
substances unless you are certain of your abilities and confident in your
precautions. Hell I can't even hear about burn victims with out memories
of
my experiences making me "verklempt"!
That being said enjoy and I hope these experiences shed some light or at
the very least add to the knowledge base as a whole. As a friend once said
to me, Peace, Love and Donny Osmond. The more I think about it the more
I
worry about that dude, he, he, he.
TOPIC - Vic, Blazer, Skinman & Pi ... & all
DATE - 06:57:45 5/27/99
FROM - Curious George
I did go over the top with the anatomical reference and insults in that
initial
"butane exrtraction" rant ... . Sorry 'bout that ... but by way of explanation,
there
was a warning notice years ago about how an ordinary butane lighter
contains the same explosive power as a stick of dynamite ... and in at
least
one instance, it blew off a welders arm when sparks flew into his shirt
pocket
and set off a leaky lighter. That's scary.
Maybe I'm just old and cranky, but I've seen too many people screw up
backyard chemistry to be comfortable with that extraction scheme. We're
talking college educated math and science majors who should have know
better ... and if they can screw it up, ( like setting a cabin on fire
) the potential
for serious injury will always be present.
The conventions of web posting etiquette are new to me as well ... ( was
dragged kicking and screaming into the information age ) and that was one
of the first times I'd posted something anywhere, on any subject.
Thanks for the genetic offer Blaze, perhaps some time way down the road
...
at this point it's not a realistic bit ... my paranoia level is quite high
for one
thing ... . Having been on the "front lines" for decades, I've been retired
from
active involvement for quite a while. I'm way behind the curve since everything
was outdoors then, as opposed to the situation now. Back in the pioneer
days, we'd think nothing of driving long distances to remote areas and
spending days camping out in the field. No time or energy for that stuff
now.
I hope to be able to offer some suggestions and positive feedback in future
posts, and will refrain from discussing politics or religion.
There is a possibility that I might make a brief visit to the Vancouver
area next
month, as a side trip from a visit to Seattle, and would be interested
in
knowing both what to check out, and especially what to avoid, while in
the
area.
Any suggestions would be welcome.
Take care
TOPIC - BrteLite Areponics
DATE - 03:30:32 5/27/99
FROM - OntarioDude
Loop_hole - I guess the size (5x10) gives it away. You are right it is
the
Brite-Lite unit. Its awsome!! The best purchase I have made to date, pricy
but
very nice. I actually bought the 10 x 10 however I only have half of it
set up
since anything beyond 2 x 1000W pushes my fuse box. I will do some
re-wiring soon and put the whole thing to use.
The only pain was setting the damn thing up. Very nasty! Maybe my problem
was that I was a bit too hasty to see it run. Like any good setup, take
your
time, spend twice as much effort setting it up and you will have hassel
free
service. Remember the thing runs at 24PSI if something is not too tight...
well you get the point. Especially if you can imagine a nice jet of solution
hitting one of your bulbs. One dripper came out during my first hasty install
-
it stripped the plaster off the ceiling - NO JOKE!
For a few days I was convinced I bought a lemon. I was just waiting for
something to pop loose. Checked my room like every 5 min. But since I
re-assembled it using a ton of silicone tape and tightening everything
maticulously it has not even wispered a drop. Its been 4 months now.
You just have to remember to clean the filter every so often, and once
in a
while a spayer will clog (on average... 1/25 sprayers per crop). They only
cost
about 30 cents at a plumbing wholesaler so that is not that much of a pain.
The jetpump is loud, but not as loud as the acutal spraying of all the
sites...
and then drip drip drip. Luckily I live alone in a big house. The visitors
don't
seem to notice it - I do. I guess it comparable to the noise of a furnace
going
on and off.
Also, since it sits 2 feet of the ground you have no choice but to SOG
or train,
but if you are growing seriously you are SOG'ing anyway.
I have my set on 7min on 45sec off. The pump sucks 800 watts so that is
3/28 * 800W = 85W on top of your lights and fans.
Very, very, very fast. I was astonished actually. The plants are very vibrant
-
and it almost seems like you can do nothing wrong.
If you plan on setting one up - invest in a nice tarp first. As you will
need to
check the sprayers once every week and the best way to do that is to pull
them out quick and pop them back in.
-= OntarioDude =-
TOPIC -
DATE - 23:39:09 5/26/99
FROM - greenbear
High all still alive and kicking(and screaming)! Vic one .75 Romulan has
survived(of course
everything our friend had is gone) and it is slowly making a comeback.
180 one Genuis has overcome what killed the others(to much of everything
to fast) and is also
growing well.After readind about you method below the next cuts might have
a chance!
greenbe
TOPIC - Neville's Haze
DATE - 20:38:30 5/26/99
FROM - 67ed
Well, it's finished, and the smoke is excellent. I only had three small
females,
the tallest, 26 inches. I got maybe a little over an ounce. The high is
the
closest I've come to that magical south mexican I once had; about like
the
Gold 'Bo I smoked too. The way I had to grow it, doing a rush job, I wondered
if it would be any good at all. It exceeded my expectations! Very up, and
soaring high that grows on you for about 15 minutes till it reaches a peak.
Some paranoia, but you're so happy, it doesn't matter. The way my personal
life is going, I don't know if I'll be able to grow, or even smoke, much
longer,
but if I do grow, this will be the first on my list to do. So far, I've
only smoked
buds that were dried on a frying pan for 3 minutes. Even then, it was so
sweet and smooth. The description said to start on 12/12, and the first
will
be done in 14 weeks. Well, I let mine veg for a few weeks before switching,
and the best female finished in 12 weeks, but I had them on 11 hrs light/13
hours dark. All of the plant ripened fairly evenly, and all the buds were
done
about the same time. The other two females are a little later.
TOPIC - sub, pi, blaz, kenkeman, everyone!
DATE - 19:37:49 5/26/99
FROM - 180
sub, good to see you bro! hope leo isn't screwing with you too much :-(((
our
legal system is an expensive farce. (shudder) is right!
pi, the problem is not in your set, we are coming to you from the outer limits!
blaz, you bet! btw, you have mail at your cranky england.com acct. have
fun
on your getaway, i'm looking fwd to a bit o' that myself. my back hurts,
and
work sucks!
kenkeman, it sounds like a lovely garden! i saw tom ze' last week and you
just reminded me of him. :-)
peace
TOPIC - All good things
DATE - 19:04:17 5/26/99
FROM - Subcool
George I to get a bit heavy defending my right to induldge :) I did think
about
some dumbass blowing him self up but thats how god sorts out the good
ones......
Skinman great to see ya brah, Bet ya'll didn't know he had to be held upright
in Jamaca to finish cooking after the cookies from hell. hehe Hes a great
guy
and about smart as hell so hes a nice addition I hope.
Blazer great to see ya active on the boards dude.
180 DOOOOOOOOd always good to hear from ya maybe we can get together
after my summer sales rush on A/c's
I miss my farm so much guys watch your ass cause its hell looking back.The
government weed (kinda like gov cheese but not as tasty) is deplorable
the
taste is like .. well shit and I notice the mental inspirations I used
to get from
the great sativas are gone no wonder the average joe has stereo typed
tokers I think its evil brick zombie weed.
I do enjoy the nugs I do see now so thats one thing. I still live in fear
of my
country and will figure out something soon.
I'm concidering Canada or Amsterdam both legally but its tough to give
up
the killer job I have I'd like to think i could earn a living anywhere
in sales but
differant contries might not concider a hyper southern guy the best choice
so
who knows.
Time to rant theres so many things availible on the net we can do.
thers a group called FAM online that has a great site devoted to reducing
minimums. Let me tell you Jail sux and its no place for any of the fine
people
I've met personlly in here. Jail is a total waste of brain power and theres
lots
of people rotting with no help.
I was lucky without friends in here my stay would have been alot longer
and
I'll never forget what my "Stoner" brothers did for me. Please try and
write or
call or do something everyday for the POW's in the hole. The boloney is
nothing you can imagine (shudders) and its all a joke to the gov they earn
a
profit(prisons) to keep you locked up.
Anyway thats my dimes worth today .
Peace Subcool
TOPIC - about uv...
DATE - 16:49:43 5/26/99
FROM - phranklin
Hi. Was wondering if any of you had read the High Times article by Owl
in
which he discusses uv lighting via Mercury Vapor lamps? Seemed to have
some info related to some of the discussion here. Hope this proves useful.
Peace.
TOPIC - Curious George
DATE - 16:37:48 5/26/99
FROM - pi
nice to meet you to. heh
in case you didnt know i am the orignal asshole poster at this site and
a
recent moron tooo ,,, well according to you anyway. heh
i agree with you 100% about children and the i-net. i also feel that children
should not do drugs or any other adult-only activities (ie sex).
i,myself am a 51 yo engineer and many here are in there 30's and 40's and
sucessfull. we also have some fine whippersnappers in there 20's that are
sharpe. point being that this is no CannKid.com and it is off the beaten
track
enough to remain cosey and informative. i posted that process here not
at
Cannkid.com.
the problem is not with the net or drugs or or or or ... it is with the
parents
who let there children's friends/tv exposure/pc exposure mold the child.
ever
heard the word 'latchkey'? the parent is resonsible for his children's
environement.
anyhoo,
sorry for the rant but i have not been able to post and defend myself from
YOUR rant hehehe.
nice to meet you otherwise
pi
TOPIC - VicHigh
DATE - 16:11:34 5/26/99
FROM - pi
hey dude i can post again
i have changed nothing on my pc
i tried with and without lpwa last week and it made no diff
just now while lurking, i had a thought that maybe it was the total # of
characters in the field that made the diff
don't know what happened but i can post now ?????????????
I did note one diff however
can't post .....the 'subject' font changes and becomes less bold as compared
to the 'name' font.
can post........the 'subject' font is the same font as the 'name' font
weird
any opinions?
TOPIC - test
DATE - 16:00:44 5/26/99
FROM - pi
test
TOPIC - test
DATE - 15:59:59 5/26/99
FROM - pi......
test
TOPIC - UVb, H2o, and Ak-47
DATE - 14:52:37 5/26/99
FROM - Loop_hole
Vic- UVb fs-40 #flu2110 4 foot tubes. About $120 can bucks each. Thereís
also a 300 watt self ballast MV that has smokin UV output for about $80.
The
MV is good for an 8í x 8í x 8í reptile cage. My light guy says the reptile
tubes
you buy at the pet store are crap.
OntarioDude- Iíll let you know how the Agri-cool works out. Have some sitting
in front of me right now; should have them hooked up next week. From what
Iíve seen and the people Iíve talked to, Iíve put my own money down. If
your
not in a hurry, I let you know for sure in a month or two. You said you
have a 5
X 10 aero. Is the Brite ñlite set up? Howís it working?
Blazer- more detail on the AK if you donít mind. Branchy? Time? Stretch? Etc.
TOPIC - Diatomaceous Earth
DATE - 11:45:51 5/26/99
FROM - Moose
It is used to kill slugs.
TOPIC - Chemo
DATE - 11:05:22 5/26/99
FROM - Blazer
Chemo I sent You an email and wondered if You got it yet? Heads up buddy
and get w/ Me when You can.
TOPIC - 180, DrA, OntarioDude
DATE - 11:02:10 5/26/99
FROM - Blazer
180 This batch came from Serious Seeds in 96' or 97'. I'll be cloning on
her
again soon so If Ya like...Just ask. You know Me Brudda;). God after seeing
that post I'm dizzy! Glad I do hydro!
*DrA My understanding on the butane not giving more yield via multiple
pourings is that it's solvent capabilities are spent in the 1st bottle.
I
approached a chemist friend and that's His conclusion too. I don't see
any
benefit from extended boiling or contact w/ the leaf at all IMO, I think
it's done
as soon as it's made contact. But I say try it! I've been proven wrong
soo
many times as have most of Us I'm sure. BTW boiling point of butane is
11
degrees F. so refridgeration/freezer will stop the boil completely as hot
h2o
speeds it up. I thought I better toss that in too.
*Ontario I have yet to hear anything but horror stories w/ the h2o cooled
lights
so far. This isn't 1st hand knowledge though, so they maybe the shit by
now.
The last story I heard was almost a year ago so maybe they have the kinks
worked out. I'll stick w/ a/c hoods for now.
Well I'm tearing down and snipping like mad. I need to be on the Hiway
in the
am for a week at the lake! WOOHOO I need it! Pray for nice weather and
You
all enjoy Your weekend too.
Blazing On
TOPIC - d earth
DATE - 10:03:56 5/26/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all, I was at the nursery, and on the shelf with the castings, gaunos,
and
other soil admendments was a new product to me, its 'diatomaceous earth'
id like to know what this can be used for as far as container gardening
is
concerned. This is not the first time Ive been expossed to this material,
Ive
used it in my mini-reef salt water tank, in a micron cartrige filter, to
fine filter
polish the water, and it works well, my clown fish appeared to be floating
in
air, the water was so clean. Both of these hobbys are so alike in many
ways,
besides all of the "husbandry chores" involved, there is a attatchment
to the
marine community residents, just like the girls, Ive found myself saying
"Im
sorry" to them when I in-advertainly feel Ive hurt them in some way. They
really become a part of ones life. In mj gardening, moms can live for so
long,
that they transend the gardner/plant relaitionship, and move on to a "loved
pet" type of relaitionship, maybe more like a thorobread racehorse thing.
Ive
had a Pink Skunk Clown Fish now for 7 years, a 3-spot Hawaian Humbug
Damsel, for 6 years, even the names are like the strains. The hobbys are
both great, its neat having a piece of a S Pacific reef in your livingroom,
the
comunity- pecking order of interaction, can command my attention for hours,
while I partake of the fruits of the other hobby;-)) SFTOTP.
Peace
TOPIC - Thanks to all!
DATE - 08:50:01 5/26/99
FROM - Kenkeman
Hey Guys!
Thanks to all! I had a son of friday! Pretty intense experience. I celebrated
roasting a huge fatty of some frozen PR. It was really nice.
I just started my initial crop with 20 Niagara seedlings which will be
grown
outside. They are about 8 days old and growing very nicely. Most are 4
to 5
inches tall. I will wait another week and then they go outside in 5 gallon
pots.
Soon after that I intend to germinate romberys, ingmars punch, jack flash,
durban poison, Peak 19's, a ultra special sativa with no name, and a couple
of others. All will be grown outdoors in a tropical climate.
Once again thanks to all!
Fumen mucho motta y celebren diariamente que viven!!!
(Smoke lots of herb and celebrate daily the fact that we live!)
Kenkeman
TOPIC -
DATE - 04:11:51 5/26/99
FROM - shazing
Hey all
A certain Dutch breeder(living in Holland) told me that the new law passed
against breeding for seed is aimed at large scale Commercial growers who
have in the past let some of their crop go to seed so as to avoid being
busted for cultivation for supply and that this law will not affect the
genuine
seed breeder
He said that it all comes down to interpretation of the law by police ,which
is
apparently a positive factor in Holland(meaning that he expects the police
to
follow the spirit of the law and not the letter of the law)
He was unconcerned anyway
only time will tell....
TOPIC - headspins......
DATE - 03:59:26 5/26/99
FROM - headspin
This place is getting waaaay tooooo busy to read these days................
I think I will have to go and lay down
TOPIC - Agricool Lights (the ones cooled by water)
DATE - 01:29:02 5/26/99
FROM - OntarioDude
Has anyone used the Agricool Lights? I'm thinking of of outfitting my room
with them. Especially now that summer is sneaking up on us.
First time that I saw them I thought of them more as a gimick than anything
worthwile. But my Hydro supply place had one on display and it seemed to
live up to its reputation (mind u its easy to say that when you see them
for 30
minutes - and don't have a chance to work with them). They kept
re-curculating the same water in a 20 gallon container. The watter was
hot-tub warm and the man said that it had been running for 4 hours.
The lummens are probably cut by 15% but the cool thing is that you can
actually touch them, and bring them a lot closer to the plants to offset
the
loss. He also suggested getting a 50 gallon freezer and using that as the
cooling device since I mentioned I probably needed 4 of them (I should
just
keep my mouth shut sometimes - chi-ching). The price is not that bad $330
CDN / 1000W (with evrything except the ballast).
The thing that makes them so apetizing to me is the ability to use verry
little
ventilation and lots of CO2! Booaahahahah!!!
Any1 work with these things? Because, I fear I may make a impulsive
(maybe explosive) decission. I'm sure the last thing the guy at the Hydro
Store will say is "Dude, don't waste your time I love having stacks of
these
things piled up in my inventory room"
-=OntarioDude=-
ps. these are the second generation ones.
Link: Check this link out www.agri-cool.com
TOPIC - ontario thrips
DATE - 00:58:59 5/26/99
FROM - OntarioDude
Vic - Thanks for the response. My plants ar just starting to bud - so
pesticides are out of the question, however I have taken your advice and
ordered some predators. As for the nastiness of BC THRIPS compared to
the Ontario ones: I would imagine that the Ontario ones are fatter, lack
manners, have a faster pace of life and are not very social to other thrips...
all
kidding aside, I have also purchased some "Chrysanthenum Flowers
Insecticide Spray" its seems to be a natural inscticide that will not be
as toxic
(and probably not as effective - but will give me some measure of control
until my little beasts arrive).
Ganjahmel - thanks for the info on the freeze. Wonder why this strain is
not
being caried by any of the seed houses. It leaves those who smoke it
searching for their last thought. Very popular. I usaually hear "What the
hell
did you give me?", I duck... but soon realize its ment as a compliment.
A very
nice outie...
-=OntarioDude=-
TOPIC - Yeah I know
DATE - 00:03:32 5/26/99
FROM - Skinman
Story of my life my brother, always a day late and a dollar short. Hope
to be
more timely in the future but I had to get it out while I was enjoying
the fruits
of my labor. Be ready for all the silly question of the pleb in the future
and if
you send me an email will send a jar of my wing sauce and instuctions for
the type of wing which will rip your head off. Took a few years to get
right but
Sub and the others I catered for will attest to the quality. Since that
is my best
expertise at the moment I offer what I have humbly. To all a good life.
Skinman out, but never down!
TOPIC -
DATE - 23:51:39 5/25/99
FROM - oldtimer1
KenKeman congratulations!
Budm nada no mail in the in box!
All the best Ot1
TOPIC -
DATE - 22:32:13 5/25/99
FROM - KQ
DrA, I have a hunch that the limited power of the butane to extract has
to do
with it's temperature, which is cold. If the gatorade bottle were a steel
pipe
that you could seal up real good, then you could bring the whole thing
to
room temp. to enhance the extract. I do not think it would blow up as those
flimsy cans it comes in has no problems. Then after maybe a day of soaking
at room temp, throw it in the freezer overnite, next morning pour off the
juice
and see if that is any better. Any thoughts on this Blazer? (I know, I
know,
Blazer cannot wait a whole day!)
TOPIC - this & that
DATE - 22:27:25 5/25/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all,
Karen- af has had great results with the "BCGA(Vics)Super Soil" reciepe,
you
can find the mixing instructions at this disscussion sites "home page"
BCGA, there are a couple of verations there to consider, af basically followed
"Vics" method with the addition of wormcastings. HTH
67ed- good news ;-)
OT1- Goodmorning friend, if ya dident allready, mailcall. Have a great day ;-))
Blazer- af sent me a taste of his AK moma, and up till now all I had tried
was
some F2AK, and man Im there with ya on it! It rocks, just loved it;-)
Kenkeman- A very big congrats Indeed!!!;-)))))) Ive got my cigar ;-)
Blaze/180/skinman/OntDude- I look foward to yall posting, as I feel you
all
have much knowledge to offer, and IMHO have brought some good vibes to
the board, from me welcome;-)
Peace
TOPIC - questions
DATE - 22:05:29 5/25/99
FROM - old hand
does calcium carbonate crystals,on the plant,being a base have any effect
on rapidity of onset,or rush effect of buzz
is there any way to increase calcium carbonate production?
something i dont see mentioned is microclimate,anybody playing?climate
of
room should effect end product.to recreate old strains,proper climate would
be a plus,also dirt,weather,cultural practices,stresses,ect.genetics change
over time to match conditions.summer room weather reports?i know the sun
shines every day,somewhere.microclimatoligists all
TOPIC - cooking with gas
DATE - 20:52:29 5/25/99
FROM - drA
old news already, but (budm, irish, kenkeman, et.al) that's not MY laboratory
in the link way below.
blaze, i tried the gatorade bottles for oil and prefer them to the pvc,
for the
exact reason that you can see what's going on! my observations also are
that
yield does not increase with length of time spent in the butane solvent
although i'm surprised to hear that it doesn't get any better if you pour
it off
into another container of shake. i would be interested to hear of your
plans
for the ozone generator that you made, post 'em here or eme.
180, nice post on giving clones a good start in life. i'm looking forward
to
applying these techniques and adding my own .02 soon, went
light-shopping today, relying on the outdoors has become too much of a
gamble for me!
TOPIC - Clonin' around! / 180
DATE - 20:29:58 5/25/99
FROM - Perpetual Harvest
Good message 180...
On cloning contraptions, I of course use the ol' bubblin' bucket (see
numerous threads @ WB), and though I've bare stem rooted occasionally,
the ol' rig is used mostly with mini peat cups filled with V&P, they
dangle in
the effervecence (Bubbles) of the upper 1½", I get better results(%)
with this
than bare stem, this to me is a most effective, pro-active way to root
cuttings
(and if ya stickem' IN something? you improve etiolation). It's all about
aeration, one way or another. As soon as the lil' white tips "pop" out
of the
sides and bottom of the drenched peat cup (about 5-10 days), I set this
VERY STABLE "rooted cup" right down in it's transplant container of my
favorite mediums. Best of both worlds? No?
Peace, ph
P.S...the civility below is absoulutly refreshing!
Clone Forth and Multiply!
TOPIC -
DATE - 20:21:33 5/25/99
FROM - 67ed
Budm:
They're done enough now! email me so we can do it.
TOPIC - i thot it wuz a kow! pulling clones upward
DATE - 18:57:48 5/25/99
FROM - 180
there's also a dairy cow called a friesland...
skinman, i've been hearing about you and your cooking for sooo long, good
to finally see you in print. you were a little late on that rant-response,
but what
the hell. say hi to the wild man for me, and best of luck in your endeavors!
blazz, a mutual friend of ours says the AK was the best thing in his garden
last time around. makes me wanna give it a try. what was your seed source,
if i may ask? btw, i got 4 fems out of that 4way cross of yours, all cloned
up
and just waiting in line to flower. starting from...
G13 - indica (?)
NL - mostly indica
BB - mostly indica, indi-sat (?)
WW - sat-indi
...with parental traits an unknown, who knows how this one will turn out????
:-)
notes from the clone box:
i avoid all forms of bare-root cloning, because they require a traumatic
initial
transplant to medium, after the roots have appeared. imho, the extra time
&
energy it takes the plant to get established in the medium once you
transplant it negates any time saving you might have achieved with the
high-speed bare-rooting method (aerotubs, aquaria, rainforests and
baby-bloomers).
i prefer to use a medium that holds together when moist, so that you don't
have the rootball falling apart while you transplant. so i've rejected
the
various combinations of perlite, vermiculite, and castings, because they
were too loose. i settled on a seed germinating mix of finely milled peat
moss with lime, verm and wetting agent. this mix has the additional
advantage of having no fert (N) content, allowing me to control the clones'
nutrition more closely. imho castings provide too much N for a good rooting
medium.
it can be a challenge to get clones vegged up to a good size for flowering,
with a well-established root system in place to support large flower
production, if you're constrained by time, space, electricity, etc. and
imho
there's no bigger waste or disappointment in indoor growing than getting
a
wimpy yield of small buds because the clones were not well-enough
established before they were flowered. it takes a good sized potful of
roots to
feed the best buds.
for this reason i have brainstormed and tried many methods to accelerate
clone growth and increase root growth and vigor.
the technique i'm working with right now is kind of a push-and-pull strategy.
i
try to alternately drench and dry the medium, with a multi-day watering
cycle,
while at the same time alternating foliar treatments with waterings.
to illustrate; suppose i take a rooted clone that's just been transplanted
to a
larger pot. all the roots are in the tiny volume of soil from the previous
pot,
and the rest of the soil is semi-dormant, with low chemical and microbial
activity. so the first thing is to water the clone into the new pot with
a bunch of
root and growth stimulants.
a mild tea mix might contain superthrive, Roots organic (humic supplement),
fish-based bloom formula, just a bit of extra available N in the form of
a
high-N fish fert, EJ catalyst, and "whatever the cat drug in" (very low
dilutions
of kelp, molasses, castings, etc). this is a thorough soaking, after which
the
plant is allowed to dry out for several days. of course the first part
of the soil
to dry out will be the little part that's full of thirsty roots, and that's
fine,
because then they will grow outward into the new medium that's still moist.
to further stimulate root development, the soil should be kept warm, and
ventilation should be good so that aeration is also good. the plant should
also be given foliar treatments. foliar applications of growth stimulants
such
as superthrive, kelp meal tea (or maxicrop or equivalent product), EJ catalyst,
fish-ferts help fire up the plant's metabolic processes in the leaves and
stems, compelling the roots to do the same.
i think it also helps to have a good amount of nitrogen incorporated the
transplanting medium, rather than watering on alot of N right from the
start. if
you water it on, the plant doesn't have to send out roots looking for it,
so
better to put it into the soil and let the roots have a "scavenger hunt"
for the N,
aided by the other things you are feeding them.
it always seems to me that the above-ground part of the plant sort of takes
care of itself, whereas the really crucial stuff is happening below the
soil line.
my problems with yield didn't come from small plants, they came from small
roots. btw, i love my 2 gallon pots :-)
sorry for the length of the post, wanted to give the full view (so far
:-))
TOPIC - Freezeland
DATE - 16:34:35 5/25/99
FROM - Ganjahmel
Ontario Dude~ I believe I read in a friends old SSSC Catalog about your
Frieseland. It was called Frieseland Indica and (if my memory serves me
write) it was described as an early-maturing, branchy, high-yielder. I
think it
was probly developed outdoors in Frieseland, which is in the nothern part
of
the Netherlands, that would be why it is so prevelent at your northern
latitude.
Peace
TOPIC - CG 20:11:43 5/23/99 rant response
DATE - 15:13:39 5/25/99
FROM - Skinman
For someone with a net "handle" of Curious George, you display a dismally
curious nature. As someone who has tried the Butane extraction method you
trashed-before-trying I must say you seem to me biased and ill informed.
If
quality such as this can be garnered from "schwag wheat" I'm all for it.
As
someone new to the growing experience and one who is in it for the quality
not the quantity, I see nothing wrong with turning something I would prefer
not to smoke into an enjoyable product. As for your comment concerning
mis-information used by some for "setting traps for unwary dopers too
stoned to know any better," I can only respond that the quality of the
post's at
this site indicate that most reading them would fail to fall into that
category,...
even by your standards. If you must rant for ranting's sake, at least be
informed of opinion rather than just expressing one.
That being said, I like the idea of donating "schwag" to those in need
and
whom it would help. The only problem I see with that is the un-likely nature
of
it becomming a reality. I mean how would one go about getting it to those
in
need, and considering the U.S.'s attitude concerning the plant itself,
wouldn't
that put the grower at severe personal risk? All-in-all it is a noble idea
though. Keep ranting on the whole dude. I believe a dissenting opinion
can
only strengthen everyone by showing sides maybe not contemplated
otherwise. As for smoking utensil preferences, well thats why they are
preferences right, if you enjoy only rolling, beautimus friend, but don't
cut
another down cause he/she/it prefers another method different from your
own. After all our differences give us all strength!
TO ALL:
Sub's been on me to get on and say my peice so here's the first post. You'll
be hearing from me more as the questions arise and the project matures.
Peace, Love and GO Naked!
Skinman out.
TOPIC - Thanks OT1
DATE - 15:13:00 5/25/99
FROM - ShareCropper
OT1,
Thanks for the follow-up. I was just curious about the bone flour bit because
it would seem that a finer grind would result in a faster compost as opposed
to standard bone meal. Since changing over from a soiless wick setup using
chemical ferts I am always looking for ways to improve. Next batch will
be 2-3
gal pots up from the 1 gal I perviously used. I don't think the 1 gal is
big
enough for a strictly organic grow without teas which I use but have overdone
- organic still burns. I question the availabilty of the bone meal nutrients
with
the grow cycle so I plan on supplimenting with guanos. One mix that looks
interesting and is in the WEEDBASE archives was posted by Elvis A. Presley
makes use of the guanos over bone meal So I'll basterd the two (Vic's SS)
and see what happens.
Thanks again!
SC
TOPIC - BudM, Curious George, AK47
DATE - 15:02:47 5/25/99
FROM - Blazer
BudM..Thanks Man. I know what You mean too. I was blasted away from
HBC in the old days and open boards that keep civil are truly rare. I'm
very
glad C.G. and Myself were able to keep Our tempers etc.. Life's too short
for
squabbling w/ a damn box in front of Me! LOL
Curios George You seem to be full of ideas and plans. I have a nice
collection of genetics thanks to the web and My frineds on it. When You
decide on Your approach, I'll part w/ a nice hybrid I'm sure You'll be
happy w/..
I have a MCW(mighty mite x chemo x White widow) that NCGA created that
squats at whatever hieght You ask it too and then gets fat. It's a lil
on the
heavy side High wise though. It's just tough finding genes that'll squat
on
command like this 1 does. LOL Most stretch in many different ways.
AK47 Well out of the 5 different seed selections from Amsterdam, the only
sure winner is the AK. It's My 3rd run w/ her(the 1 out of the 10 I kept)
and it's
marvelous. My flavor desription sucks so I use the wife's, pine apple juice
concentrate is what She says! LOL I know the quality is about a solid 9
across the board. Dense, crystally as hell, good yielder and is just soo
smooth. I'm in love. I don't see this gal ever getting away from Me.
G13 is next, I don't know what else I'll throw in w/ them yet as I have
to
revamp a exhaust duct 1st. I just got some Ice Princess I'll be germing
soon.
I'll keep Ya's posted if You like, well even if You don't probably;)
Peace folks, Blaze
TOPIC - What kind of Soil Mixture?
DATE - 13:20:01 5/25/99
FROM - Karebear77
Hi Guys,
I am about to start my first attempt at growing a small closet garden with
some Niagara seeds from Dr.Greenthumbs.
My question is what kind of soil mixture do you think would work well with
this
strain, and what do you guys suggest I do to germinate, I have seen so
many
methods talked about and I don't know which one is right. I would really
appreciate any advice at all about this strain.
Thanx in advance,
Karen
TOPIC - OT1
DATE - 13:08:43 5/25/99
FROM - Budm
OT1- Im sending you mail, as my source is a friend of Alans and I dont
want
to comprimise his Id. And the info came Via the tele, not the net.
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 11:29:32 5/25/99
FROM - Vic High
Budm - per OT1's request, could you just post the URL's here? Thanks bud.
KenKeman - a big congrats to you too if you are lurking.
TOPIC - checking in
DATE - 11:25:33 5/25/99
FROM - Vic High
Curious George - good thing I was away without FTP access. I would have
deleted you straight up but am glad to see that with the help of others
here
that things worked out for the best. Your romberry autoflowering comment
deserves a responce. I personally have grown literally hundreds of seeds
and have yet to find one that autoflowers. None of it's parent stock will
autoflower either. Don't know who told you that romberry will autoflower,
but
they are grossly misinformed.
Ontario Dude - my big pest problem way back was thrips. Maybe BC thrips
are meaner, hehe, but they really hurt my plants and dropped yields. And
yes
their shit all over was gross. I nailed them with a thrips predator and
prevented their return with the fungas gnat predator, Hypoaspis sp. Forget
the name of the thrips predator off of the top of my head.
You are the second to mention Freezland to me. I think Richard at HS was
the first but can't remeber for sure. He may be a good one to get more
info on
it. As for your over dry product, softening it prior to much handling may
be a
good idea. I do it by adding a few fresh leaves to the bag for a day. Other
common methods is orange peels and such. This helps reduce the amount
it crumbles and turns to shake. You know how popular shake is, eh? haha.
It
also helps in the weight dept but minimally.
Nico, since I replied to your first email, I haven't recieved anything from you.
Budm - good to hear that the Dutch are holding. I agree that the change
in
law is a blow to the movement. I don't think BC is ready or has the backbone
to go it alone. Also, I think the Dutch still have lots to teach us, haha.
Well
Vancouver has been beautiful the last few days but I can't wait to get
home.
Miss my girls, haha.
TOPIC - Att Budm
DATE - 11:18:39 5/25/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Budm what is going down in Holland have looked on uk dope news site
nada. could you send me link urls please!!!!!!!!!!! Ot1.
TOPIC - Nice to meet you folks ... & more questions ...
DATE - 11:13:38 5/25/99
FROM - Curious George
It's nice to know that there is still some appreciation for civil discourse
in an
age of Jerry Springer & pro wrestling.
Here's a question : Which varieties would be a good choice for producing
short 12-16 in. "Sea of Green" popsicle plants with a decent yield and
a
respectable buzz in 5 x 5 1/2 in. containers using an organic soil mix
with
"flowering cycle" lighting from the start?
Preference should be given to stable, easy to grow and clone varieties
rather
than some prima-dona, extra-strong, hybrid that's a pain in the ass to
grow
and absurdly expensive. A later finish time wouldn't matter if it can produce
an "up", "cerebral", or "creative" type buzz.
That "Romberry" sounds interesting, ( though in reality, almost All I know
about these "new fangled" crops is what I read in the press and on-line.
Rarely does anyone know what variety is being packed in the bowl when it
comes around.)
Saw raves about "Seni Star" today, any feedback on that one?
One more thing ... have breeders saved any of those old regional Mexican
varieties? It seems like they're all gone, replaced with sloppy hybrids
of
Columbian and some Indica genes. That's what it looks like at the bottom
of
the bag.
Take care ...
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:26:03 5/25/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
Well the PR is shooting up quick 5" growth in 10days! have a feeling afs
going to have todo some serious prunining to try to co-inside the crossing
with Nevs Haze. I had a email exchange with a breeder in Amsterdam, and
his aittude is "nothings changed", he gos on as usuall. However I heard
that
AD at Sensi has decieded to put the new catalog printing on hold for now,
Hes considered putting a breeding facility in Switzerland, how ever fear
that a
year or so after investing lots of $$, Switzerland might just pass laws
like the
Dutch, and put them out of biz there. The Sensi folks feel betrayed by
there
own Govt, after Ben D has funneled mucho $$$ from seed sales into
millions of dollars in Hemp/Flax machinery, and research and development
in the future of Hemp crops in Holland, and now they hit them with this
bogus
law. No doubt the law was influenced by political preasure from the US.
Its
really a shame for them. On the flip/side perhaps in time it may prove
to be of
benefit to the breeders in BC.But regaurdlees of ones opinion of the Dutch,
its a step backwards in the process of "Normalizing the inocent Plant".And
certainly gives the "other side" fuel for there prohiibition fire. And
with BC
being so close to decrim, I hope it in no way slows the movement down.
Blazer & C George- Both of you are the consumate gentlemen, this board
is
trully benefited by both of your contributions IMHO. It just gos to show
that
with maturity, respect, & consideration, we can hear contradictory
opinions,
and learn somthing in the exchange. I sure did, call me slow, but I never
gave a moment of thought to the, theroy of deliberate
ommisions in text such as TACookBook, as a way to deliberately hurt
people.
Peace
TOPIC - Sensia star
DATE - 07:48:02 5/25/99
FROM - Aaron
ASAP ???$$$??? where?
TOPIC - storage
DATE - 07:15:02 5/25/99
FROM - RS
Once you have a good amount of bud,
what's the best method to store and
preserve it for future use?
TOPIC -
DATE - 04:22:56 5/25/99
FROM - Nico
NCGA.. I have emailed you , did it get through ?
Vic .. did you recieve ?
Aussie Stoner .. welcome fellow Australian ! email me at address above
TOPIC - some questions (light cycle, thrips, freezland)
DATE - 01:03:05 5/25/99
FROM - OntarioDude
Hi all. I used to think I was an experienced grower until I came accross
this
msg board. I mean this in the most positive way. You BC boys(gals too)
really know your stuff. I have a few questions.
--------------------------------
1. My room has been infected by THRIPS. The plants seem to be doing just
fine. All information that I have gathered says that these things do no
hamper
the yields in any way. That said, I wish I did not have too look at the
crap that
they leve on the leves. What is the best way to get rid of them?
The setup is 10 x 5 feet, iluminated by 2 1000HPS, running on 100 site
aeroponic setup using SOG. 40% NL#9 (Sagarmatha), 10% Super Silver
Haze (Green House), 50% unknown (from Montreal - the fastest, budding
plant I have ever seen, faster then Top44! - not very potent by BC standards,
but very very resinous, some purple in it towards the latter stages of
life )
------------------------------------
2. I have read much about playing with ligh durations. Here is what I know.
Some plants will flower with only 10-11 hours of dark others may need 13.
It
seems that its the lenght of the darkness that triggers the flowering traits
of
the plant. So I wondered if it was really neccessary to have light period
add
up to 24. has anyone tried a 12/14 light regiment. Would this mean higher
yield? since the plants are getting more light & still getting their
darkness to
keep their flowring hormones active.
Some strains seem to call for a 12/6 regiment - what does that do? (i
assume it would speed up the maturity - but have not tried it to find out
-
seems like a bit of a waste)
----------------------------------
3. Has anyone heard of a strain called freezland? I have just picked up
a
pound of this stuff from Quebec. Its outdoor weed, however all who have
seen it think it is indoor bud. It packs quite the punch. The grower will
not
budge on the price of 2700/p even at 10 or 15 (its bone dry and crumbles
to
dust - BIG pkg's). What is this stuff? I'v never seen or heard anytyhing
about
it, but it seems to be everywhere in Quebec. Is this a good price or am
I
being gauged?
hypothetically speaking of course :)
-= OntarioDude =-
TOPIC -
DATE - 00:45:17 5/25/99
FROM - oldtimer1
ShareCropper yes my spelling is terrible, bone flour should be available
at
small holder / farm outlets and horticultural sundrysman. Vic could fill
you in
on this. They will also have things like feather meal, hoof and horn, green
sand, blood meal, bat guano and all the other things needed to make
compost. Puff growers seem to forget that what they are doing is gardening
and there are millions of them. Going to hydro grow shops is mad they
charge up to 10 times as much for the same thing available at farm / garden
outlets.
Hope this helps Ot1
TOPIC - CHEMO
DATE - 20:11:24 5/24/99
FROM - Blazer
Hey buddy My email is messing up again so let's just say I put he check
in
the mail today;) Keep Your eyes open;)
Thanks for Your INCREDIBLE patients!
Yer Bud, Blaze
TOPIC - Curious George
DATE - 20:08:54 5/24/99
FROM - Blazer
Now passing it on to chemo and med. casses is something I'd give My oil
up
for! I'm a T3 parapledgic and find incredible relief from our kind. I'd
gladly do
something to that effect, but geographically, I'm in Kansas and it doesn't
go
over well here at all..bible belt shit. I was off the handle a little IMO
on that
post and took it personally, I shouldn't read the boards b4 coffee! ThankYou
for Your "kind" reply explaining Yourself, it's greatly appreciated. Thanks
for
being civil;)
I know that it sounds crazy, but My welding career has schooled Me well
in
gasses and there uses. Butane is merely a solvent that is the cleanest
available since etier alchohol was hard to come by. It's just a novelty
We
stumbled across and loved the buzz, so I felt obliged to pass it on. BTW
Nice
to make Your aquaintance and I like Your level headed manor in which You
post. I thought the public boards were a thing of the past. I'm Blazer
and We
seem to have several friends in common here, let's make a couple more
and keep on keeping On;) Sorry if I came off crass.
If You find the exact #'s on the Phillips bulbs You asked about, I have
a buddy
who is a Phillips lighting rep.! High friends in fairly high places rule.
I'm the
barter/networking master..I hate retail! LOL I could get Ya the bulbs You
mentioned needing a Dr.'s script w/o 1 if You like. I've done a deal or
2 w/ Vic
and My credibility is credible. I have wholesale lighting acct.s and all
kinds of
connections, dont hesitate to ask.
Thanks again for the civil reply...I was expecting a major rant there!
Peace
Blazer
TOPIC -
DATE - 18:40:16 5/24/99
FROM - test
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TOPIC - Ganjamel(?) bone flour
DATE - 16:29:30 5/24/99
FROM - ShareCropper
Oldtimer1 made a reference to "bone flower" but I think he might mean "bone
flour". I have searched and searched and all I can seem to come up with
is
that bone flour is very fine ground bone used in the production of things
like
doggie bones, etc. and other "foods", no source that I can tell here in
the
lower 48 except GNC type stores where it is sold as a calcium source. Oh
well. Anybody else?
And to think that yesterday it was only a weed...
SC
TOPIC -
DATE - 15:26:40 5/24/99
FROM - KQ
I posted some words concerning the autoflowering race of weed at
http://www.cannabinoid.com/wwwboard/breeding/messages/5072.shtml
Tell me what you think.
TOPIC - The Butane Extraction Rant ...
DATE - 10:05:55 5/24/99
FROM - Curious George
Hey folks, ... that portion of my post dealing with butane extraction was
clearly
titled "rant", and if you didn't want to read it, you had the option to
abstain. ... .
That being said ... I stand by it ... there are thousands of chemo patients
out
there who whould be happy to smoke your shake, ... look at it as an
opportunity do some karmic yoga ... give it to them, or their physicians.
As to the question of "freedom of information": There is a Big, Big, difference
between relying on internet message boards for instructions on growing
plants, and relying on a message board for competent information on the
care and handling of explosive chemicals!
Are any of you kids familiar with "The Anarchist Cookbook"? Ever try to
follow
the instructions ? How many of your fingers are missing ? There are
Deliberate Mistakes in that book, that were, and are, intended to maim
any
fool stupid enough to try producing explosive devices. I maintain a Very
Healthy Skepticism when I see stuff like that Butane Extraction scheme
published anywhere, because the "other side" has shown in the past that
it
has no qualms about setting traps for unwary dopers too stoned to know
any
better.
Oh yeah, ... so "automatic" varieties can be "mothered", that still leaves
the
question of whether the "120 day" automatic feature is carried on to the
clones??
Ciao !
TOPIC - oil
DATE - 08:55:30 5/24/99
FROM - subcool
First George you are so wrong.
When I was growing I was trashing about 2 pounds of leaf/shake a months
with this method I would not have wasted all that THC. You may smoke leaf
but most it here would never smoke anything but primo bud.
Blazz remade pvc out of 1" and made it only 14" long now we extract oil
with
as little as 2.5 oz of butane to extraxct about a gram of goo me and skin
succesfully transformed sevearl oz of crap weed into delicious butter.
Grey Popoun anyone??
Sub
TOPIC - curious ABOUT George
DATE - 07:58:37 5/24/99
FROM - hansel
The flow of information shall not be impeded by whiners like George.If
you
think its too dangerous for you, -it probably is.Don`t attempt to tell
the world
what you think should be published or not.
Glass pipes are superior to metal in many ways. Not everyone likes to
smoke only joints.George needs a good hand blown pipe.
..come on george,get with the program.
TOPIC - Curious George
DATE - 06:56:16 5/24/99
FROM - Blazer
CG You can clone and keep a mom of any strian IMO. I have a romberry
mom and she clones along w/ every other plant out there, havent seen 1
that
cannot be kept.
Your flouro lighting plan sounds feasible, but I do not see the point when
You
can get a HID light so cheap and get better results. Flouro's are for moms
and clones IMO.
About the butane, didn't Your Mom teach You any manners? If You don't have
anything nice to say, don't say it! That's easy enough. I elaborated on
My
results of obtaining the Honey Oil of the old days and its very nice. I'd
rather
consume My compost personally...Waste not, want not IMO. Don't knock it
till
You've tried it.
Blazer
TOPIC -
DATE - 22:40:34 5/23/99
FROM - Dr. Evil
loophole: you have mail
budm: still nothing? It didn't bounce this time, I assumed you got it
Be safe
Dr. Evil
TOPIC - Great Gro Chat!
DATE - 20:51:26 5/23/99
FROM - PH
Vic, ya run a nice board here brother!....here's some gro info...on those
UVB
bulbs, the type ya want are 5% to 7% UVB jus like used for reptiles, the
good
ones are available in 18" 24" 36" 48" with varying wattages , about $25
retail.
I inquired with NCGA a long time ago and he recommended about a 20
Minutes on per/Hour cycle as not to "fry'em", I have not tried'em yet,
it's on my
list of Mad Experiments! Ha!
Heres "Something Good"...as Marta Stewart would say, Try Car Antenaes for
stakes, they telescope up as your plant grows, an you don't have to change
stakes, plus they're stainless steel (no rust)
Thats all from the Cali Coast!
Perp
TOPIC - "Automatic" flowering strains ... etc. etc.
DATE - 20:11:43 5/23/99
FROM - Curous George
There are several seed banks selling strains that they claim to flower
and
mature early, by the number of elapsed days rather than the length of the
night. They are supposed to "automaticly" finish flowering after 120 days
for
an mid-summer harvest ( with smaller than usual yield ) "Afgani Automatic"
is the name of one, and there was a post I've seen elsewhere on the Web
said that "Romberry" was also such a strain.
Here's the question : Since these are "indoor/outdoor" strains, what would
happen if you tried to make a "mother plant" of such a strain ? Would the
clones from the mother, when placed outdoors, still exhibit the "120 day"
flowering cycle? How would they react indoors? Or do these type plants
need
to always be grown from seed? Can they become "mother plants" at all?
Also ... just a brief rant : Anyone who attempts that butane extraction
of "honey
oil" bit that's shown here ( and elsewhere on the web ) should have their
brains examined! That's an extremely dangerous thing to try, is a waste
of
both time and energy, is an ecological disaster, and might very well poison
you ! Only a stupid, greedy, soon to be french-fried moron would try such
a
stunt and only a complete asshole would publish such a dangerous
process on the web where a lot of young, immature, stoned, adolescents
might see it and decide to try it. The whole point of the growing your
own is to
obtain a Natural product, not a chemically altered one, so give up on this
useless quest to turn shit into gold! Either give the trimmings away, or
throw
them away, Or, learn to use it as filler to Roll Joints that actually can
be
smoked ... rather than being a slave to those crappy little glass pipes.
New Product Department: Philips has a new flourescent bulb that is
significantly brighter, and lasts longer, than regular 4 ft. tube bulbs,
but can
still be used in standard T-12 fixtures. They also come in 4 different
color
ranges 3000, 3500, 4000, and 5000. They are called Advantage bulbs. Am
I
correct in assuming that the additional lumens will make flourescents a
more viable option for growing "sea of green" crops of 15-18 inch "popsicle"
buds in pots with a soil mix? Would six of these tubes, three 3000 and
three
5000, in three double fixtures, be enough to do that kind of growing in
the
area directly beneath them, which would be about 2 ft X 4 ft. or so ? And
now,
for the $64 question : What kind of seed would work well in this sort of
enviornment? Romberry?? NL#5 ? NL#5 x Haze?
Take care ... : )
Link: new "Advantage" flourescent bulb
TOPIC -
DATE - 15:53:45 5/23/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all, Well af was looking at his Rom XAf1 today and its easy to see why
Rom does so well in lowlight gardens, it has the darkest green/blue leaves,
darker than any other strain, and dark colors attract and soak-up the most
light, mom used to tell us growing up in Miami, if you want to stay cool
wear
light colors, if you want the sun to stay on you were dark colors, it must
have
some corelation right?
Ganjamel- Damm ! Lost ! email me.
Peace
TOPIC - Puna Liqueir
DATE - 14:56:45 5/23/99
FROM - Ganjahmel
I have found something else that you can do with leaf. Last week I was
sitting a little bit of leaf and an idea came to me, pot liquier. I put
the leaf in a
jug and poured in some rum, just enough to saturate the leaves. I let it
sit
until last night and then strained the leaf though a shirt. Me and my budies
drank it on the way tto a reggae show last night and let my tell you I
was
righteously blasted through the whole show. The buzz kicked in way faster
than eating. Next time I think I might soak the laef overnight to get rid
of all
the water soluable nasties. Just a thought.
TOPIC - high
DATE - 14:19:00 5/23/99
FROM - hi
u?
TOPIC - sub, VIC
DATE - 12:38:59 5/23/99
FROM - Blazer
Wow thats wild sub, it musta been damn hot OD's when that happened or
You didn't use enuff butane IMO. The ambient temps. have varied greatly
in
My trials. Anywhere from 65f to 85f I bet. But Your correct on the ambient
air
temp speeding up the boil alot, I say either move alot faster while filling
and
draining the bottle or insulate. I think the 1st is the problem. I think
if the
butane is in contact w/ the leaf for more than a few seconds, its job is
over
done. Only a brief contact is needed IMO and the breifer the better I'm
finding.
I didn't tell a couple buddies lastnight that I loaded the bowl w/ oil
and
smoke. HAHAHA 1 was too paranoid to drive home and the other fell asleep!
LOL I love tricking friends and blowing thier minds, but I think I took
it a lil
over this time;) They didn't seem to think it was nearly as funny as I
did
ofcourse, life's a bitch eh? ROFL
Blaze
OH BTW Vic I didn't see Your post about wanting UV lights. Tell Me what
Your thinking and I can/will fix You up w/ the EXACT bulb for the app..
If I can't
get the exact 1 You want, I can cross refrence it to a Phillips bulb or
the
equivilent. I'm 1 networking fool and can get this shit at wholesale price
or
better;) I've made 3 ozone cannons now that BLOW away anything that
Uvonair makes, I know this cuz I bought 1 1st. Talk to Me buddy and We'll
fix
Ya up asap:)
Blazing On
TOPIC - Budm
DATE - 10:23:06 5/23/99
FROM - Ganjahmel
Budm~ I haven't seen it yet, I dont know what the problem is. I tried to
email
you but there is something wrong with my england acount. I am going to
get
another acount, BTW what is that Dutch one you use. Have fun with that
Kali!
peace.
TOPIC - aussie stoner
DATE - 23:00:28 5/22/99
FROM - trelaway
a six hundred in 30sqft is fine, works out to 2500 lumens/sq.ft. which
is
great.
Just drop the seed into yer one inch r.w. cube. try not to handle the cubes
too
much when they're dry...there's a post further down by OT1 explaining the
health risks.
TOPIC - Info on pollen storage:
DATE - 22:17:04 5/22/99
FROM - KQ
I like the idea of diluting pollen with pre-dessicated flour (1:50) and
storage
in the freezer in individual packets. What seems to be a common thread
is
the lack of moisture, light and heat when storing. If you want to store
dust in
its pure form, I would reccommend at the very least you
aliquot it into as many tiny vials as you can, because it is not good to
freeze
and thaw over and over. Very small test tubes (even gelatin capsules) would
work nicely as would folded wax paper or aluminum foil.
I would store these units in a glass jar that seals VERY WELL along with
an
inch or two of silica gel or whatever dehydrating compound is common in
your country. Craft stores usually sell silica gel to folks who like to
dry flowers
for dried flower arrangements. Put this silica gel into empty film cannisters
with a couple of small pin holes in the top. Or you could use larger holes
in
the top and put some thin fabric or paper towel on the film container before
you snap the little lid on. This will keep the gel from spilling all over
the place.
It's not really a gel, it's more like powder. Put maybe 4 or 5 of these
in your
larger jar. I think I would put the jar, gel, and pollen packets in the
fridge for a
week maximum just so the pollen dehydrates thoroughly before being
frozen. Then straight to the freezer forevermore. The beauty of making
individual small doses is you can pull one out for use and not disturb
the
dormancy of the others. Seems to me that the waxpaper or foil envelopes
would be easier to manage as they do not seal tightly as would a test tube
with a lid or stopper. A person could not just stopper up the fresh dust
and
put it in the dessicator jar!
New twist: You could use some very small gel caps, properly labeled, of
course! Find a size that will slide easily inside a soda straw. Get a bunch
of
these straws and cut them to fit nicely in the storage jar with the silica
gel in
the bottom (or wherever!). Maybe use color coded straws for easy ID of
contents. Melt one end of the soda straw shut.
Fill straws with gel caps and store in jar. You may have to find a way
to
dessicate a half-a-gel-cap with pollen in it for a week in the fridge prior
to
attatching the other half of the gell cap. Not sure how air tight these
things
are! Maybe drill a tiny hole in the "top" cap for h20 and gas exchange?
Don't
know, but I'm in brainstorming mode! Sounds like fun stuff, but the wax
paper
envelope is way easier. A pile of envelopes could be held together with
some sort of mechanical clip, a rubber band, or a larger envelope. Or,
if you
have the freezer room, separate jars for each pollen type.
I've had this little paper envelope in my possession for over 10 years
cuz I
liked how it was made. Some girl made it. It starts with a square of paper
4
inches on a side, and you fold it across the diagonal which forms a triangle
with one long side and two short sides. Take one of the 45 degree angles
and fold it 2/3 of the way over to the other 45 degree angle. Do this also
to the
other side. Now you will be left with a small square (2 inches on a side)
with
a small triangle on top. Fold the triangle part down to the middle of the
"square" leaving you with a true square and fold the bottom of the square
up
leaving you with a rectangle that is 1" x 2". The triangle flap can be
inserted
into the slot formed by folding the original 45 degree angles inward.
A "seal" (pollen envelope) goes something like this:
1. Cut out a perfect square 3 x 3 inches
2. Touch one corner to it's opposite and crease the bottom.
You should now have a triangle.
3. Fold in the two bottom corners of the triangle so they overlap each
other
slightly.
4. Tuck one of the "wings" into the other. The shape should be that of
a
rectangle with a triangle on top.
5. Now open the top so it has a mouth, and pour the pollen in, and close.
6. Fold the bottom up near the top so all you can see is the triangle part.
Fold
the top of the triangle down into the space between the paper and the wings,
which should now be facing up. Tuck in in securely and you're done.
I hope any of this helps you with you storage quest! KQ
TOPIC - Vic
DATE - 21:57:52 5/22/99
FROM - Old Bud
Loop_hole is right I found several places that sell UVB tubes but you need
a
Dr. perscription (psyriosis, etc), that was the next best thing.
TOPIC - aussie stoner
DATE - 18:48:45 5/22/99
FROM - irish
plase go to www.homegrownfantasy.com
go to the grow tips, this will answer many of your questions. also there
are
other "weed" based boards you could try to get all the beginning info you
need
try: www.yahooka.com to guide you into the realm of virtual growing. lots
of
links and you are sure to find very helpful sites there.
Link: homegrown's homepage
TOPIC - Oil
DATE - 18:42:42 5/22/99
FROM - Subcool
Blazz
I'm curious what is your ambeint temp?
we tried the bottle at skins and all the butane boiled off before any amount
could run through.
Think chilling the vessel and weed before wetting would help?
how bout insulatingt the container?
sub
TOPIC - how long???
DATE - 18:06:46 5/22/99
FROM - aussie stoner
any one with a comment,
i live in australia and have just got some seeds from overseas.they are
from
home grown fantaseed(2 called home grown fantasy and 2 called millenium
which can produce 600g per m2.)i got them on friday night and put them
streight in water.its now sunday lunch time and one seed has started to
open.
how long should i leave it in the water or should i take them out as they
open???
i have some rockwool cubes soaking in a ph of 5.7 and a nutrient mix of
840
ppm.is this to strong???the seeds looked really nice and cost me top dollar.
also can any one recomend any of sagarmatha seed stock???
also should i put the seeds under a small 2 blub fluro or streight under
a
400w metal halide 1 meter from the seeds.they will be grown as mothers.
anyone that has any ideas please post the up...thanks
p.s should i cover the seeds when i put the in the rockwool??? and is there
any special way of placing the seeds in there hole???
TOPIC - Gotta love those lumens
DATE - 16:40:38 5/22/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all,
Well one KaliMist in a 2gal pot camme down today only 53 days! 70% ripe
pistills, more than 11/2 tricome heads cloudy, seems like just a few days
ago it was about 20% ripe pistills, the real tall (6') Kalimist still has
the tops
only 205 ripe, but the bottom branches were done, 80 watts per sqft of
hps &
smh 400 & 400 = about 8000 lumens per sqft raelly get the job done,
10-15% ahead of specs, and tight tight tight;-))
KQ & OT1 - Still procrast im mean working on the PGP, I down loaded
Comunicator 4.6 and im trying to enable it, as to handle the PGP direct
without the clipboard step. Ill be in touch this week.
Ganjamel-- Did you see that?????
Peace
TOPIC - KQ
DATE - 15:04:56 5/22/99
FROM - oldtimer1
KQ sorry mate I staying with my daughter at the mo. will be back in town
wednesday will write to you then. But post the pollen storage info here
it's
good and will be of interest come to that so would seed storage info.
All the best Ot1
TOPIC - remeasured
DATE - 14:32:51 5/22/99
FROM - aussie stoner
vic,or anyone i just remesured my room and it is 30 foot square.
the light rail i have is very quick as well.
do you think a 6oowatt is enough?
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:25:41 5/22/99
FROM - KQ
Oldtimer--I hope you got my mail about the pollen storage stuff. I must
have
sent it out a week ago or so. Hope all is fine with you.
If anyone here is interested in pollen storage, just give a yell and I
can post it
here. Otherwise I won't take up the space.
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:35:49 5/22/99
FROM - loop_hole
Vic- I have the #ís for real UVb-b flo tubes at work (Iíll get them for
you on
Tuesday). I do know that they are expensive and you (theoretically ) need
a
permit, license or medical note of some sort to buy them. I believe theyíre
used in the treatment of glaucoma. The industrial light shop I use said
they
could probably get them for me but I may have to buy 5 or so. That was
too
much for me but if youíre interested maybe we could split an order (e-mail
me if interested). I too would prefer to cycle the real thing. I was thinking
of
using 6 foot tanning bulbs, reptile lamps or 100 watt MH with the outer
glass
removed on for the entire light cycle but all these are less than ideal
(or are
they?).
Also, I just took cuts from Emeryís rom, his rom/big and your romberry
that Iíll
put into 12/12 in about 2 weeks so Iíll keep ya posted.
How did the UBC and champagne turn out?
All- re: soil additives. I had outstanding results by using 50 % coco coir,
30%
perlite, 20 % worm turd with a bag of ìflower powerî from welcome harvest
farms as well as a few other misc. organic goodies in 5 litre pails. No
ferts
for 3 weeks then a mild GH chem mix after.
I second jayís recommendation for the light rail 3 if anyoneís looking
for a
linear mover. An excellent product.
Soul- if youíre lurking, welcome. Long time no yak. Guess its all that fame ;-).
Doc Evil. Hope everythingís alright. E-mail me.
La.bud or anyone one else. Looking for experience with AK-47 in aeroponics
(or in anything actually).
Does anyone know what makes up this F-1?
OT1- keep up the great post. Always a pleasure to learn.
Richard- how bout a Canadian break. Buying Canadian genetics from a
Canadian company in US dollars just seems philosophically wrong.
Ciao
Loop_hole
TOPIC - Honey oil makers. Chemo,T2, Lubie,UV
DATE - 12:34:34 5/22/99
FROM - Blazer
Sub, Pi and all. Well I think I have My technique for making the oil at
it's best
and wanted to share what I've found.
Recap, I'm using 32.oz. Gatorade bottles over pvc. 1 hole in the cap large
enuff for the butane nozzle and 1 in the shoulder of the bottle beside
the cap.
I fill the bottle almost FULL of weed. I did think that using extra "stand
by"
bottles of leaf would maximize the butane's work, I think I was wrong.
I used
about17-20 oz's of butane, I filled the 1st bottle and immediately poured
it
into the next bottle waiting inline. I rolled the bottle to make sure all
the leaf
was soaked. I them purchased 2 square, stainless steel cake pans for
evapping the butane off and make it easier to collect product. This also
speeds up the evap. procsess 10 fold as it allows for more surface area.
Well I dont see any advantage yield wise by using more leaf for some reason
damnit! It seems that it would maximize the butane, but I didnt get anymore
yield like I expected. It MAYBE a lil more potent, but I'm not sure. By
using the
cake pans(1 to boil and 1 to cover)I have made the boiling time seconds
as it
was minutes in a mason jar or pvc IMO. I then set the cake pan into another,
larger pan of HOT h2o. This made the boil BLAST off and finish in seconds.
The biggest problem I have faced is collecting the oil after its all made.
So I
got a bottle of Grain alchohol and used a few drops per pan to thin it
out,
Works like a charm and the grain will evap. off to the thickness You like
by
letting it sit, more evapping. I use a plastic card to collect now(credit
card
etc), but I've yet to get anything into a vial! LOL I just take it from
the pan as I
want it. PI I saw You mention wanting to use more coffee filters next time.
I
don't think that's the problem IMO. I believe that You let the leaf boil
too long
IMO, it only needs contact for a few seconds to do it's job from what I've
found, just My opinion. I found letting it boil longer seems to break it
down a
lil too far and extracts more chlorophyl and other un wanted parts of the
plant
IMO. The grain and cake pans are the best improvements so far. Remember
though this is just what I and a few others have found out in our trials,
You
men may find something WE missed so dont be afraid to deviate from these
instructions. So many ways to do the same thing and always room for
improvment IMO. Have fun and be careful! Please keep Me filled in too!
CHEMO My Brother! I got Your email, but my acct. is messed up now for
some odd reason. I'll get back to You asap as I have some cool suprises
I
OWE You and I think they are gonna be damn cool. I'll get it lined out
b4
heading to the lake this week. Thanks for Your help in the past and Your
understanding of My dumbasssness/procrastination! I have something else
info wise from Me, Az,rhu, nestaa and the old gang;0. I'll be in touch
asap;)
T2 I'll be leaving here thursday morning, I bet it will be fri. or saturday
b4 We
can hook up. WE WILL though I promise. I may have to talk Ya into another
batch of the best burrito's I know of! They still stand out in My memory;)
Tasted better than most of the kind We tried IMO;)
I'll bring Ya a few suprises as well.
Lubie I must concure w/ Jay and Vic as it's factual now. I've sen it in
action
Myself;)
UV bulbs I have a wicked resource and a Phillips lighting rep. at My disposal
for lighting Q's. I've been buying hi power UVC bulbs to make My own ozone
cannons and was wondering which apps. the UVB and UVA had. I forget
what My reptiles preffered(UVB I believe). Anyhow, If You guys can get
any Q's
lined up, I'll call and get part #'s of bulbs available for Your apps..
Lots to
choose from and I have a employee discount at Grainger I can use on
occasion, saves tons;) Networking and bartering RULES!
Well Friends I hope this helps Ya's. Peace,Blaze
TOPIC -
DATE - 11:01:56 5/22/99
FROM - Vic High
Thanks for the post Jay, good to see you here.
Diane - I'm with Cedartop on this one. I just follow the KISS approach
with
seeds. pH will be your biggest hidden enemy as cedatop eluded to. Make
sure soil is basic neutral potting soil or for safety, sprinkle a little
lime into
the soil for safety. Mix well, waterand let sit for a couple of days. plant
seeds
and keep warm. Many beginners use the top of the fridge. Don't cover with
a
humidity dome and if you want added security, mist with no damp to reduce
the chances of mold attacks.
With good seeds I understand it's hard to bury them out of site and that
is
why I think the old paper towel method cam around. What I do instead is
to
poke a 1/2" hole into the soil with a blunt pencil and drop the seed in
without
covering it with soil. The micro climate in the hole is moist enough to
sprout
the seed. It also makes it easy to spot the begining of a mold attack and
spray with no-damp if need be.
good luck
TOPIC - first time with good seeds
DATE - 10:20:19 5/22/99
FROM - cedartop
diane, dont know what a lot of the experts will tell you but from my past
experience i just used regular potting soil and popped the seeds about
a
quarter inch in the dirt and kept the top of the soil damp. i never used
distilled
water. or any ferts until i transplanted them. i have had bad experience
with
jiffy pots and peat pellets. guess the peat added ph problems. main thing
is
dont baby them to much and surely dont overwater and fertilize. i watered
when the pots were getting light. whatever potting mix you use make sure
it
drains well. i'm growing veggies now in organics and am amazed at the
growth. i always started my plants in those little 2 inch containers that
the
dollar stores carry. just wish i would have known about the seed banks
and
such when i was growing. good luck later
TOPIC - first time w/good seeds
DATE - 09:57:17 5/22/99
FROM - diane
Help! This is my first time with good seeds and I don't
want to screw up. I've got 6" pots filled with good
soil; I added about an inch of seed starting mixture on
top of that. I'm going to soak the pots with distilled
water, add the seed, cover it well with the
seed starting mix and then: here's my question:
should I lightly wet the top with a diluted (by 1/3)
mixture of 3-12-4 plant starter w/vitamin b-1? Or
should i just use plain or distilled water? Some
advice by this board's seasoned pro's would be
greatly appreciated! Thanx!
TOPIC - lubie and light movers...
DATE - 09:40:51 5/22/99
FROM - jay
lubie i guess i disagree with you as well,the mover doesnt make more light
but uses it way more effieciently then a stationary light..for arguement
sake
lets use the pic above..okay room size was 6x9= 54 sq feet
normal use of a 1000 bulb is 16 sq feet..so in that garden i used 2 k of
bulbs
for an illumination of 32 sq feet..so by using the light mover i gained
another
22 sq feet of useable space..yield on garden was just under 5 lbs ,so using
a light mover we pulled down just under 2.5 lbs perlight.what i can say
from
experience is first off the strain your growing will really depend on the
wats
per foot you need..the garden was mainly romberry plus had 2 nl#5 in it..nl
didnt yield as much as berrys but they were put in to room 3 weeks late
from
start of veg and werent as big as romberries..romberry is one strain that
does real well in low light gardens..the other determining factor is the
light
rail itself..i have had 3 different ones now and what one needs to make
sure
is that the rail moves back and forth fast..i have tried the protrac and
aquaculture movers..wasnt happy at all with outcome,the light rail 3 kicks
ass it is totally controllable and runs at a fast speed..
just my 2 cents...
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:38:10 5/22/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Vic you have mail. Ot1
TOPIC - movers and such
DATE - 08:02:12 5/22/99
FROM - vic High
Sorry Lubie but I must dissagree about a mover not increasing the area.
I
think you were just using the mover wrong. Say if you ususlly use a single
light to illuminate a 4 by 4 ft area, then with a track/rail you could
easily cover
a 4 by 5 ft area. Plus you gain the benefit of deeper light penetration
and
more uniform canopy growth.
Aussie - turn off the caps locks buddy, almost deleted you thinking you
were
a shouting troll, haha. have a good one.
Old Bud - thanks for the link. Now are these the real UVb lights? or
something a little less output like a blacklight? The reason I ask is that
others have mentioned that you only want to use the real UVb light in short
bursts a couple of times a day. The ones mentioned in those picks are
probably safe to leave on all day over the plants if they are safe for
reptiles
(and their owners).
Ganjahmel - my only experience with polymers was about 10 years ago
when I worked for Safer Soap's research branch. My boss picked some up
and some sort of convention and gave them to me to play with. Well on one
lazy day I decided to pot up a few hanging baskets for the girls up in
the
office and threw in a few crystals for fun. Watered them well and left
for the
night with my fellow workers teasing me about kissing up to the office
girls.
Well the next morning the teasing turned to all out laughter, all the plants
had
literally jumped out of their pots an onto the ground. Haha, I guess I
added
too many crystals, haha. Well seriously I don't have any other experience
with
them. They were a hot topic last year right about this time over at Weedbase.
Just use their great archive feature, and do a search.
TOPIC - Re: Aussie stoner.
DATE - 00:09:02 5/22/99
FROM - lubie
2m x 2m is way too big for the 600!
When you calculate the watts per sq foot (in your case lets say 7feet x
7 feet,
thats 9 sq feet, which gives you 12.245w per sq foot, you need 40w per
sq
fooe for Good results.
So either get moor lights, or shrink you grow room to 2m x 0.5m.
BTW I tried to use a light mover to illuminate a huge space (4m x 1.5m
1000w MH) it didnt work!
IMHO you need 40-60w per sq foot, even with a light mover you have to figure
that the usual area for the light cannot be increased by fuck all! But
the use
of a light mover gives more uniformity in bud growth because the light
is
spread out more, But you dont get more light from using a mover, which
I
discovered after spending 350 bucks on a mover...
Hope this helps.
Re
L
*Weed without Greed*
TOPIC - how many watts???
DATE - 20:20:33 5/21/99
FROM - aussie stoner
IF ANY ONE CAN HELP PLEASE DO.
I HAVE A 600WATT HPS IN A 1200MM CHINAMENS HAT ON A LIGHT RAIL IN
A 2X2 METER ROOM.
THIS MEANS A FLOOR SPACE OF 4 SQUARE METERS.
HOW CLOSE SHOULD THE LIGHT BE TO THE PLANT TOPS???
AND SHOULD I USE THE LIGHTRAIL TO STOP A HOT SPOT OR SHOULD I
JUST HAVE THE LIGHT SITTING STILL????
TOPIC - Better site
DATE - 18:09:35 5/21/99
FROM - Old Bud
Ignore the first, this is what you were after I think (this time).
Link: uv b model and price
TOPIC - UV B Tubes
DATE - 18:03:44 5/21/99
FROM - Old Bud
I found this site today, hope it helps.
Link: UV B tubes
TOPIC - Polymers
DATE - 16:40:33 5/21/99
FROM - Ganjahmel
Hello all, I would just like to commend Vic and all of the regular posters
on
this this board for the rich knowledge they convay, Thank you
I was just wondering if any of you have had experience with polymers
outdoors, or indoors as I know most of the growers are indoor people here.
My friend is doing an outdoor patch this year, but will be gone during
most of
the summer, three to for weeks at a time. He has been doing lots of
searching and reading about polymers, and there seems to be quite a
contravercy on the subject. One person told him that there was a study
at
UVA that found that when used in pots, hanging I think, they only shorted
water needs 20 minutes. He really wants to grow but is worried about
droughts. If anyone can help him please post.
Also, about the bone flower, what exactly is it and what brand names would
it
be found.
If every thing goes well my friend will hopefully try to do a little breeding,
he
will be growing a couple of unkown strains from last yaer along with Niagra,
Sensi Skunk, Mexi Sativa(sensi), Skunk#1+Durban, BG mix, and
Romulan+BC Kush.
He is wondering about the growth patterns of the Mexi and the Sk#1+Durban.
Please comment. Peace and Cool Runnings.
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:55:55 5/21/99
FROM - Vic High
OT - Like Budm says, please don't be shy with those long posts. Got lots
of
space here :)
searching for lime info and stumbled on this page on P ferts, figured it
went
with one of the current topics.
http://bob.soils.wisc.edu/~barak/soilscience326/phosphorus.htm
UVb lighting - anyone have the part numbers or model numbers of any UVb
flo tubes? local supplier keeps wanting to sell me black lights. Tanning
tubes are easy to find, but they give off UVa. OT - I've been thinking
of using
my broken optimarc (HQIT) bulb but am worried that it actually does't give
off
the UV as a regular MH bulb. Remember when I used it in a pinch? well it
was used or a couple of days and didn't burn the plants in the least. Is
it only
the MH's that operate off of an MH ballast that give off UV?
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:23:31 5/21/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
OT1-Thanks for the info, the re-digestion over and over, by the
microorganisms, makes alot of sense. Your much to polite
no one IMO needs an apolgy for droping all that long post knowledge, much
to the contrary Thank You for the long post.
Mr Soul- If your lurking , you were 100% correct about the KMist, very
hard
buds indeed, especially for a satavia, harder than most indicas, one branch
snapped today and it was harvested, one of the most unique bouquets.
Matt- I might sound redundant, but money or not, Romberry will be a great
choice, and after its harvested you will agree its worth at least double
the 50$
it costs. Im sure any of the Suprises will be great also, and I noticed
some
new Canadian genetics at Heavens Stairway that look to be good values at
25$/10beans under the moniker "buds genetics" "MC's Breakfast" sounds
intresting. RC can you comment on these new offerings at the SB board at
cann.com? speaking of suprises-
at 4-5 wreeks all of the following are looking great
RSB Sup -7nodes and 12-13"tall
Wash Sup -5-6 nodes and 11-12'tall and very nice side branch
P.75 Sup 6 nodes and 12" tall
Peak 19 F2s- 6-7 nodes and 10" tall
PanRed - 9 nodes and 16" tall, just had a big spurt of growth
Some of the above are still in 24oz cups, as the Kalimists
are holding up the SuperCrystal and BB clones that are to take there place
in
the flower closet, and let the new seedlings get larger pots. Im sure that
the
extended time spent in the 24oz cups will have some consquences, like
more males. Time will tell.
Have a great and safe weekend everyone, and a happy Victoria Day to my
Canadian Brothers:-))
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 11:21:38 5/21/99
FROM - Vic High
Bud Bundy - My best advice is that whatever you do, don't do it to more
than
half of them. This way you give yourself backup and also set the stage
for
you (and us if you relay the info) to learn something new.
TOPIC - Rom surprise update/rock phosphate
DATE - 11:04:55 5/21/99
FROM - Bud Bundy
Vic - Just wanted to let you know that the Romberry Surprises are happy
in
their 10th day of Flower, after 41 days of veg. 12 of the 20 ended up F
(one
showed early hermie signs during veg, but has yet to pop another stamen
so
she's stayin') Since the grow room cieling is low, the taller ones were
culled
early (which may have been M or F), so there may have beeen even more F's.
One dad has been selected...it was short (only 15"), was the bushiest of
the
entire bunch, and smelled like HONEYSUCKLE...perfect stealth odor! So far,
everything looks great, they are all in 3 gal rectangular trash cans, in
a
3x3.5x4h room under 430 hps (5000 lumens/sqft).
Now, in the "Say it ain't so" department... I am using a soil mix of 50%
Sunshine mix 50% perl/verm (36 gal total) in which I added two cups of
100% organic "flower tone" at 3-5-7, and one cup of Super phosphate 0-20-0
(soil was mixed 2 weeks before plants were put in). I figured that I would
be
able to use pure water for the duration of flower, and that the ferts would
moslty be used up and be in very small amounts in the later stages of flower.
Obviously, no one wants harsh tasting buds, do you think I need to seriously
leach this soil or what? Or, am I really just destined to smoke black ashin'
harsh tastin' buds? SAY IT AINT SO! Cause they look beautiful!
TOPIC - thanks...
DATE - 09:23:06 5/21/99
FROM - stonerg
for the answer to my U-V question. I only hope that as I learn more I will
be
able to share back more often! All I really have a good knowledge of is
growing in extremely small places -- building "boxes." The one I've got
now
has a fishtank on it; people come over and look at the fish! (It's small,
about
a cubic metre, but I must add very productive most of the time -- once
got
12oz bonedry!)
My whole point is that's all I know, I would like to share more often so
I don't
feel like a freeloader, and I will share more as I get more experience.
(and
have the space to experiment- someday.) Thanks everybody!
TOPIC - Bone Flower
DATE - 09:11:06 5/21/99
FROM - ShareCropper
Oldtimer1,
Thanks for the great post on bone meal. I was just about to mix up another
batch of the SS mix this weekend.
I am not familiar with the bone flower that Oldtimer1 mentions in his post
below. Does it perhaps go by another name here in the States? Anyone?
Many thanks!
SC
TOPIC -
DATE - 06:56:06 5/21/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Vic didn't mean to cause confusion I learnt from you that a small addition
magnesium sulphate to the compost base alleviates early Mg shortage
while the dolomite breakdown comes into play. Well the worm castings have
a good reserve of soluble P that supply the P needs while the rock
phosphate starts to break down. As an organic gardener I wouldn't use
either super or triple super phosphate as they both kill worms and a large
portion of the soil micro flora. I dont believe that phosphate is needed
in the
huge amounts as used by chemical and hydro growers, it may pump up the
buds a little but the residual phosphates inhibit burning and give a harsh
taste. Your system of using large pots just using water right through will
have plenty of fungi and bacterial micro flora. A living system that continually
release nutrients as they line and die they are your chemical factories
get an
excess of a nutrient and that bunch of bacteria shut down until the plant
or
other organisms mop it up it is to a certain extent self balancing providing
there are sufficient resources for them to work on. Given the choice of
a
phosphate resource, I would use bone flower as it has been selected by
plants and eaten by animals potentially millions of times whereas fine
ground rock phosphate it will be the first time. I have a somewhat
unreasoned feeling that nutrients that have been picked by plants many
times are better! Come to that it has been that way for millions of years
well
up to about a hundred years ago.
Budm Yes mad cow disease, one of the first people to die with it here was
a
vegetarian who got a spec of bone meal in her eye when feeding her roses.
The pelleted form is for easy spreading it has quite a lot of water soluble
P
and should work fine like it is as long as mixed well in your compost.
Personally I wouldn't use it, reasons above, I haven't read up on this
subject
for years so i cant remember the proportion of actual available P but its
not
45% by a long chalk in that a good portion is insoluble.
Irish I would say they had been living on water only for a while with little
in the
way of nutrient reserves. They are certainly at the end of the late floral
stage
and to a certain extent the colouration is natural as in autumn leaf colour
and
varies with different varieties.
Sorry for the long post, Ot1.
TOPIC - Needfull things
DATE - 05:37:40 5/21/99
FROM - RC
Hello Vic,
haven't seen you around, if you're in Mayberry pick up some stamps.
TOPIC - ot1's answer
DATE - 23:17:10 5/20/99
FROM - irish
****
Budm we call it triple super phosphate it is made by treating phosphate
rock
with sulphuric acid it is classed as a chemical fertiliser and immediately
available to plants. ****
TOPIC - rock phosphate
DATE - 22:53:12 5/20/99
FROM - Vic High
Ot - ok between you and Shabang my head is starting to spin, haha. Let
me
recap to make sure I got this straight. Rock phosphate is slow release
but
isn't much different than bone meal with respect to speed of release and
duration? And to increase the instant availability they treat the rock
phosphate with sulphuric acid to make triple super phosphate, right? Now
the rock phosphate is considered a natural product. Is the super triple
phosphate a natural product or a chemical fert?
Thanks for your reply, it was good to see ya.
TOPIC - clearing
DATE - 17:04:39 5/20/99
FROM - Lady J
ph 5.5 1 week hydro, 2-4 bio. Prior to finish. How you do it does not matter.
Peace
TOPIC - ot1!
DATE - 16:51:09 5/20/99
FROM - irish
would you mind sharing a little info on the timing of these deficiencies?...
would you do thid before clearing, during clearing etc. i think that may
help a
lot in determining just how much to sacrifice for these beautiful autumn
colors.
TOPIC - not mine..nope...
DATE - 16:15:15 5/20/99
FROM - irish
but a boy could hope, just some shots i found, running around. i have seen
this coloration on plants (on accident of course) knew the ones i saw were
deficient, didn't know that would help, of course, again.
but, i for one... very, very impressed. giving my friend some goals to
shoot for.
love the colors.
TOPIC - OT1
DATE - 15:37:55 5/20/99
FROM - Budm
OT1-Im not familer with the "BSE", does that have somthing to do with Mad
Cow Sickness? Also your saying that if I broke down the Sup Triple Rock
Phosphate to a finer powder from its pellet form, it could take the place
of
bonemeal in the SSoil mix and last longer than BM in its P release? Anty
precautions to take, if I just break it up in a towel or somthing with
a
hammer? TIA
Peace
PS: OT1 you could write a far better book than Ed R or Mel Whatshisname,
you trully have some incredible knowledge, in many areas that the so called
"growers bibles" lack in.
TOPIC -
DATE - 11:37:19 5/20/99
FROM - oldtimer1
stonerg the glass in aircooled and water cooled lights completely remove
the uv produced by MH lights. The glass outer envelope on MH lamps is
Quartzite similar to that used in fluorescent tubes including uv types
and lets
useful amounts of uv through.
Budm we call it triple super phosphate it is made by treating phosphate
rock
with sulphuric acid it is classed as a chemical fertiliser and immediately
available to plants. I use fine ground rock phosphate yes this is a long
term
mineral fertiliser but gives continual slow release of phosphate for a
very
long time, the idea of organic growing is the continual steady release
of
nutrients by biological reactions with micro organisms within the
soil/compost and the reaction of acids with minerals to provide the plants
with every thing they need. We have had a lot of people die with BSE and
here bone meal is no longer allowed as a fertiliser in food production
and
prior to that order we used bone flower in our compost rather than bone
meal as it was ground finer giving more surface area for the humic acids
and micro flora to work on. We have noticed no deficiencies of phosphorus
since changing over to rock phosphate. Bone meal in a good soil will
release phosphate for 12 to 15 years fine ground rock phosphate 10 years
+
and steamed bone flower 5 to 7 years. Hope this helps a bit. The purple
magenta leaves in drA's lab are typical of a deficiency of P and N at the
end
of a grow, it tends to make a very sweet easy burning smoke. Nice buds!
All the best Ot1
TOPIC - Irish! Those are the most beautiful pics I have...
DATE - 10:11:22 5/20/99
FROM - Kenkeman
ever seen...What I would do just to have a taste of some of those buds...my
hats off to Dr. Atomic!!!
Incredible...
a envious Kenkeman!
TOPIC - eclectic
DATE - 09:48:58 5/20/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all,
Vic- Thanks for the RP info allthough its cheap(2$/4lb),No need to waste
$$
on something thats not good for container gardening.
Dr A/Irish(?)- Whoevers garden that is in the pix(Dr's Labratory), im very
impressed, what strain produces those magenta colored leaves at the
colas? I seem to have a affinity for out of the ordinary, I suppose most
of us
do, find intrest in oddities/rare-strains/unique-traits.
Kali Mist is at 50 days, about 20% pistils ripe,looks as if they will finish
in the
60 day range, due to the abudant amount of light about 8000 lumens per
sq
ft, this intensity
finishes BigBud/Posi in about 40 days. Ive wondered how Top 44 would fare
in a high light powered garden, it seems that about 10-15%, is what can
be
"shaved" off of finishing times with double the light, so finishing a T44
crop in
36 days would give 10 per year, I wonder if the additional expense of
Hydro/electric diminishes the additional crop/cycles return, not that im
production orientated, its that these matmatics and plausable scenerios
intrique me.I wish brushing up on my spelling did as well, ha ha ha;-)
It seems that 10-15% gives 1 extra crop per year, in a small garden of
10sqft
this means about 300grams at a cost of opperating a additional
lamp(400watt), which roughly costs 150$Us per year to burn, so approx
150$ = 300extra grams, seems that this is practacal in small gardens, as
in
larger ones it would be alot of extra hydro/electric, hence more out of
the
ordinary utility bills, one big plus is that the flowers are as tight as
can be,
and tropical strains are made very happy with the high watts per sqft,
and if
your trying to get as much crossing/tinkering/back crossing done, with
a
small amount of space 1 extra cycle or speedier maturation is a great thing.
Dr A- I now understand (sometimes im a bit slow) what you were implying
about the GA and its potency, man one pure drop can make several cases
of
this 7.95$us a bottle spray, the "inert ingredents"(water) are 99.999 %.
I think
im in the wrong business, id like a piece of that kind of retail mark-up.
Sorry
for all of the rambling, I hope someone gets somthing from it. But its
posts
like these in the archives that I gleaned so much from, Its still hard
for me to
believe that only a scant 8 months ago, I began reading at WB, and then
shortly there after found this site. Id venture to say that at present
ive
accumalated a liftime of knowledge, if I did not have the WWW, and had
to
rely on the books and the ocasional, interaction of a fellow gardners
advice.However all the reading and book knowledge i sreally nothing without
the practical hands on experience that only comes with many years of
gardening, and understanding the strains your working with. The web and
information/content in general are very powerfull indeed. Sorry for the
long
rambling post, I hope some of the less experienced newcommers, can
benefit something from it.
Peace
TOPIC - GB
DATE - 09:19:57 5/20/99
FROM - webfish
Green Bear call me,if you have my # still I lost yours,,I have a small
contribution to the cause...
TOPIC - funkdified, dr.A, greenbear, sub
DATE - 05:06:26 5/20/99
FROM - 180
funkdified, i'm not absolutely sure about this because i don't use more
than
18 hrs for veg ($$), but i believe that you will seem SOME flowering triggered
by that change (23hrs to 15hrs), because i think there are 2 factors to
consider with phytochrome (or florigen, or whatever) levels: the absolute
level, and the relative level.
at 23hrs, it's safe to bet that your plants will not have much "background"
level of phytochrome, so when you switch them to 15hrs, they will experience
a big jump in their p-chrome levels. even if their "trigger point" for
flowering is
below 15hrs, i would not be surprised if they threw a few flowers and
changed their growth pattern a little. this is what i mean by the "relative"
level
changing.
however, as they adjust, and with the day still lengthening, they should
recover from this little shock and revert to veg growth at least partially.
how
long this takes, how much they flower before adjusting, etc, really depends
on the individual strain of plant you are growing. plants behave MUCH
differently outdoors, and you'll find that certain ones are better suited
to this
type of growing. i have a batch of clones i'm preparing for outdoors, of
a plant
that is nice but not my best inside. outdoors she blows the other inside
plants away because she flowers early and gets mega-potent in the natural
light. so you may want to try a few different plants outside, to see which
ones
do best...
best of luck!
holy shit, dr.A, no wonder you're keeping things quiet! or is that irish's
jungle?
go man go!
greenbear, good to see ya bro! hope all is okay w/you :-)
sub, i be emailin' ya brah
TOPIC -
DATE - 00:43:55 5/20/99
FROM - sand flea
peaceness, personally i wouldn't worry about it. outdoor plants seem to
be
much more tolerant of minor extremes than indoors. i live in the desert
and
our tap water (very hard) is very alkaline and it's been used for years
directly
from the tap w/o any probs, not to mention the alkaline soil they grow
in. my
only ph prob ever outdoors has been too acidic when growing near cypress
trees. it looked like N poisoning but recovered after a good dose of wood
ash solution.
good luck with yours
TOPIC -
DATE - 00:39:01 5/20/99
FROM - greenbear
We are still fighting and free!!!Thank goodness for Prop.215!! And thanks
to
all that have
helped!!!
TOPIC - creek water:ph
DATE - 23:37:00 5/19/99
FROM - peaceness
hi guys, i am doing my first outdoor grow this year and will be watering
my
plants from a nearby creek. now i tested the ph of the creek water and
it
tested at 8.5. should i lower the ph to 7.0 before i water plants, or is
it ok to
water them with the creeks natural 8.5 ph water?-thanks guys.-peaceness
TOPIC - Stonerg UV light
DATE - 19:54:49 5/19/99
FROM - Thunderheart
Stonerg,
from what i have always heard, the glass has little or no effect on the
light
spectrum, but it comes in real handy in controlling the heat from the bulb.
it
will allow you to get your plants closer to the fixture. of course i don't
work for
a light manufacturer so i could be wrong.
TH
TOPIC - Dr.A
DATE - 19:49:02 5/19/99
FROM - sb
Dr.A
Yup. that space is 2'x5.5'x 6'(H).It's quite nice for 4 larger plants.
The 270 would be adequate @45W sqft(I think Vic's is closer to 30 but uses
a mover) which has worked very well for me in the past, but I'd go with
a 400
if I was shopping for new gear.
TOPIC - Dr.A
DATE - 19:48:56 5/19/99
FROM - sb
Dr.A
Yup. that space is 2'x5.5'x 6'(H).It's quite nice for 4 larger plants.
The 270 would be adequate @45W sqft(I think Vic's is closer to 30 but uses
a mover) which has worked very well for me in the past, but I'd go with
a 400
if I was shopping for new gear.
TOPIC - rock phosphate
DATE - 18:54:55 5/19/99
FROM - Vic High
Budm - I had the same question a while back about rock phosphate. I think
it
was Shabang that enlightened me to the fact that rock phosphate is slower
to break down than bone meal so is probably of little use in our hobby.
I
know from first hand experience that bone meal in the super soil mix
provides enough phosperous for two flower crops with no drop in flower
production in the second crop so there is no problem with the bone meal
being a slow enough release. The problem with insufficient phospherous
is
more likely to show in the early stages of flower if you are using small
pots
and the soil hasn't had enough time to break down the bone meal. One
source of organic fast release P would be high P bat guano. Direction on
the
bag I have (Western Harvest Farms)say to fill a tea-bag with the guano
and
suspend in a pail of water. Then simply water the plants with the water
from
this pail. I have done a variation of this during the first couple of weeks
of
12/12 by adding a teaspoon to the top of each 10 gallon planter. To be
honest, I've never noticed a benefit but never took the time to do any
controlled trials. I'm usually comparing different plants so want to treat
every
plant the same, hehe.
TOPIC - Dr A
DATE - 18:40:01 5/19/99
FROM - irish
hey doc , this is the reason why i had asked about the blueberry x NL,
earlier. sorry for the mix up, you may enjoy the pics.
Link: dr. atomic's lab
TOPIC - wrong address below
DATE - 18:28:00 5/19/99
FROM - drA
sorry for the OTP; fat fingers
TOPIC - closets
DATE - 18:25:47 5/19/99
FROM - drA
hey, 180, you just keep bangin' on that board, i need all the luck i can
get!
sb, is that 5.5' dimension the length of the closet? a recent unexpected
monetary windfall will result in a closet of my own sooner than i expected.
i
was hoping that a 270 agro-sun with some supplemental floros would be
adequate for a 2x3x5.5 setup.
TOPIC - Rock Phosphate
DATE - 17:57:47 5/19/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
Asked a while back no responce, try again. Saw "triple rock phosphate"
at
the store 0-45-0, in a pellet/rock form. Does any one know how to use,
or if to
use, mix in soil? top dress? how much? etc. Could be benefical in flowering,
isnt " Blossom Blood " a phosphate? Thanks in advance.
Peace
TOPIC - uv light and glass
DATE - 15:44:36 5/19/99
FROM - stonerg
Does adding an extra layer of glass between bulb and plant decrease u-v
light? a salesperson told me it did; but he was trying to sell me something
so...
I sorta would think that the bulb's glass would block it out anyways. ?
TOPIC - thanks 180
DATE - 08:07:43 5/19/99
FROM - funkdified
No I didn't post earlier. I only meant that I would be moving them from
indoors to outdoors. I have read that you should gradually acclimate them
and that was the what I was wanting to make sure of. Your response made
me curious though. I know that the amount of time that flowering can occur
is
slightly variable depending on the strain, but I was under the impression
that
flowering would only occur if there was enough time for for the elusive
phytochrome (sp?) to build up to critical levels. I will be moving them
out
soon, and the amount of daylight will be around 15 hrs. I currently have
them
under 23 hrs. From everything that I have read, this is not enough dark
time
for any strain to flower. Could anyone else shed some light, or darkness,
on
this for me?
Thanks,
funkdified.
TOPIC -
DATE - 21:17:09 5/18/99
FROM - sb
Budm
Actually those 2- 400s have just recently found a home in the 2x5.5'chateau
du clothes.They're usually seem hanging around (I know,I know.. but things
are much funnier when stoned (hehe)) a 4 x 4 area so most of my limited
experience has been in the 50W sqft range.
I share the opinion of your friend reguarding soil grown, larger
plants.Buckets and bushes rule! I'm also leaning toward the idea that tying,
NOT pruning is the way to best achieve this.Both the cali-o and the champ
are tied and left unpruned.I would have done the same with the ubc, but
it
was always behind the other strains in height....you get the picture I'm
sure.
I've never grown the mcw.Maybe someday.Peace!
sinc.
sb
TOPIC - SB a question
DATE - 20:43:06 5/18/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All
SB glad alls well with you;-) A question, the garden that you speak of
is in
the area of my friends asfar as watts per sqft. His is 80 per sqft, with
two
400's one of each type also, do most strains finish sooner in that higher
wattage garden? Just curious as the 80 per sqft finishes on average 1 week
before most in the 40-50 watt range, with no Co2, growing in soil, bush
style.Do you still have the MCW going? Thanks and take care.
TOPIC - pics
DATE - 19:39:36 5/18/99
FROM - sb
here are a couple of pics I found laying around...They happen to be of
a 75W
sqft closet setup. 5 gal buckets and half and half hps/mh.
the UBC1, cali-o and champagne have all been in flower for 25 days.All
are
super green and healthy.The HPS is lying to the lens and trying to make
my
grow look brown.(I had to call that out.haha)
sorry for the poor quality.
peace
sb
Link: 25daze
TOPIC - OT1 & KQ
DATE - 17:11:59 5/18/99
FROM - Budm
Hi, I think I figured out my prob with PGP, im going to download a new
browser and enable it, as to eliminate the "paste" to c-board process.Ill
do
that tonight and I email you both tommrow, thanks for your paitence,(both
of
you).
Sorry for OTP.
Peace
PS: Chemo when the PR cross is done, your welcome to some, stay in
touch.
TOPIC - Chemo and ALL, DrA
DATE - 15:33:46 5/18/99
FROM - Blazer
Heya Chemo! Man I'm glad to see You again. I have a couple pleasant
suprises I've been saving for this reunion.
ALL I accidentally welched on a seed trade w/ Chemo 4ever ago and it still
wieghs heavy on My shoulders. If You'd be kind enough to RIDE MY ASS until
I make up for it, I'd appreciate it and deserve it.
Chemo I was playing w/ a Kalimist and stressed her hard enough(finally!)
to
produce 2 "gonads" and self pollenate her as well as a Sensi NL5,AK47 and
a couple others. Supply is very limited and I have been holding these in
hope
of seeing You again. This is My 1st try at this self pollenation, but the
seeds
in theory should produce all females. The AK47 just knocks My socks off
HARD, she's the total package IMO or atleast the 1 mom I have is. She's
a
very managable sativa, I like keeping things short and tight. She is a
manicuring dream too, just all bud w/ an occasional leaf or 2 to trim.
The wife
calls it pineapple concentrate in taste and flavor, I don't have that accute
of a
sense of taste or smell, I just know she rocks My world. So My friend they
are
Yours, big ass fat(and very viable I hope) looking seeds. I'll email You
asap,
I'm coaching the kiddo's softball team and have a few other balls I'm juggling
too so it may take Me a bit to get w/ You. I just need to make good on
this
deal as it bothers Me to string on a friend. My email is above too BTW.
TIA
Dr.A Thanks for the kind words! 1 must be careful to not sound like a friggin
"know it all", I know that's not Me. If I don't atleast try to learn something
new
everyday, it's a day wasted IMO. Good to see You again aswell, the public
boards sent Me into hiding a long time ago. I think I've found a place
that
seems damn civil for the mess We call the web. I hope it stays that way;)
Well off to the ball field, Peace.
Blaze
TOPIC - NCGA
DATE - 14:23:41 5/18/99
FROM - Subcool
Anything I can do NC just ask above is my e-mail.
sub
TOPIC - early flowers
DATE - 14:09:31 5/18/99
FROM - homer
My grow area is 22x10.in dirt with organic mix
i vegged for 30 days under 3 m.h.
i am 11 days into flower with 6 lights.3 m.h. 3 h.p.s. and holy crap do
i have
FLOWERS.
i usually dont get flowers until the 3rd week
is something wrong??? or am i in for a treat??
any input would be great
TOPIC - haze
DATE - 11:26:32 5/18/99
FROM - chemo
I'd definitely be interested in pure haze seeds, that's one i've been trying
to
get too, although now it seems to be more available. e mail me please
TOPIC - funkdified, drA
DATE - 06:17:03 5/18/99
FROM - 180
funkdified, maybe i missed an earlier post. are you changing your lighting
schedule, or just moving the plants outside?
if you're just moving them outdoors, you don't need to be carrying them
in
and out (risky). just put them in a spot where they don't get direct sunlight
for
a few days (this will protect them from shock; the sun is very bright and
has
lots of UV). then you can move them into full sun and they should adjust
okay.
if you are changing their light schedule, you can check a newspaper to
see
sunrise/sunset times for your area, then figure the daylength. if it is
alot
shorter (more than an hour or so) than the amount of day you are giving
them
indoors, then they may want to start flowering right away when they go
out
into the shorter day. they should recover from this as the day gets longer
(longest day outdoors is Jun.22), but if you want them to stay in veg growth
during the transition, you should gradually shorten their indoor "day"
to bring
it into line with the outdoor day, before you move them outside.
hey doctor, glad to see you (still, despite efforts to blow yerself to
kingdom
come ;-)) among the living! i've been blowing shit up a bit myself lately,
i'm
afraid. something to do with that "one true way" bizness, heehee. best
of luck
with your garden this summer (i'm knocking on wood).
good to see people hooking up here, overgrow tha govt. and all that good
stuff.
peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 22:50:02 5/17/99
FROM - KQ
Budm, freemail has been down for days now. If you sent mail there, it may
be days before I get it. there is always hotmail and macbox.
TOPIC - boom!
DATE - 19:39:14 5/17/99
FROM - drA
well, not quite, but i found out how important a vent hole is...popped
the top
off the pvc pipe on my last shot at hash oil and scared myself half to
death,
heeheehee
i thought for a moment that the gloves had failed me, sub, you saved another
life.
blaze i think i will try your gatorade bottles, my yields are still crappy,
although
my "compost" may be worse than yours. it's good to read your posts again,
you have a way
of presenting your experience so that it doesn't sound like the one true
way...
TOPIC - Hi sub
DATE - 19:08:34 5/17/99
FROM - ncga
Nico email me about web space if needed
Sub
have soem questions for you
ncga
TOPIC - Chemo
DATE - 18:20:56 5/17/99
FROM - Budm
Email me
Peace
TOPIC - Kenkeman
DATE - 16:01:13 5/17/99
FROM - Mota
Estas Vivo! E-mail me at myerba@mailcity.com.
PAZ,
Mota
TOPIC - Chemo - Haze
DATE - 12:11:47 5/17/99
FROM - mighty mite
hey chemo, I have 4 PURE haze seeds.. you probably already have haze, but
I thought I would offer them to you if you want.. I don't have much use
for pure
sativas, a haze plant wouldn't fit any of my setups or outdoor gardens.
TOPIC - Blaze
DATE - 11:50:20 5/17/99
FROM - Chemo
Hey man what's up? Haven't talked to you in ages. E mail me and tell me
what's new.
TOPIC - PR
DATE - 11:44:27 5/17/99
FROM - Chemo
It's nice to see some others interested in classic sativa strains. I've
been
working with thai and will start malawi soon. I'd be very interested in
Panama Red if and when someone gets viable seeds. I'd be willing to trade
for some of my sativas. Thanx in advance
TOPIC - potluck etc.
DATE - 09:19:14 5/17/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
potluck-afoaf's flower closet is about the same size as what your working
with, so ill give ya some of his experiences hopefully you can draw some
help from it. His flower area is 5' x 2' x 8'(10sqft the hights nice for
the
occasional visiting sativa)its lit by a 400mh and a 400hps together for
800watts of mixed spectrum = 80watts per sqft, he uses BCGAs Super Soil
mix with castings, in pots of 2-5 gallons in size, the flower closet is
prepetual
so when a lady is harvested, a girl or two take its place from a 6sqft
veg
closet thats lit by a 400mh. This presents a real juggling act, as its
hard to
have the exact Veg/graduate to fill the "hole" left by the harvested ladie.
He
has to resort to somtimes replacing two girls in 2gal pots, when a 5gal
pot is
harvested, and the use of cardboard boxes, books, and such is needed to
bring new girls up to the right hight, untill they streach. The average
amount
of ladies in the 10sqft closet is from 6-8 in pots of 2-5 gallons, plus
from
time-to-time theres the occasional 1 gallon pot with a small clone in it,
to fill
a hole in the canopy. Its a real job trying to keep the right veg's ready
to fill the
vacancies in the flower closet, rather than trying to be hyper-accurate
in the
"juggling act", hes reverted to, rearanging and flexibility of expectations.
If I assume correctly you are using one closet, for your garden, If so
the best
tip I can give that was passed along to me was, try to begin 12/12, when
your
canopy is 75% full.
Now selection of pots, prunining/topping, and genetic traits,( some strains
are very stressed by being rootbound, hence they need larger pots)and the
clone's columar structure, all are things that warrant consideration, however
its a process that is learned crop by crop, as you get more and more familer
with the strains your working with, and how they best lend themselves to
your
gardening prefrences.
I hope this helps in some way;-))
67ed- Sagarmatha says that the dormancy/desacation period for fresh
seeds is 1-2 months, however Ive seen good results(80% germ) in 20 days,
bear in mind, that the seeds were removed from the flower upon harvest,
that
may have shaved a few days in the wait towards viability IMO.
Nico- The PR af is working on will be a cross (PR X NevsHaze) and then
with
any luck the next pollination will be a PR x PR, being that they will be
from two
diffrent crops may be better IMO, versus the fact that if the first set
of PR
seeds had been viable enough to produce a M & F, this way if the gene
pool
is not so closley related it might produce better results, I think.
Dr E- If your lurking still no mail. Keep trying.I hope alls well with you.
OT1 & KQ- Still getting the kinks out of PGP, Ill write ya both this evening.
Peace
TOPIC - advice needed
DATE - 07:29:40 5/17/99
FROM - potluck
Hello everyone, i've been posting on cannabis.com recently without any
luck.
It seems that there are a lot of immature people over there(except for
uncle
ben!). Basically I have a 2foot x 4foot closet to grow in(8square feet).
The
seeds i have that i'm about to start are Oasis(all female) and Blue
Moonshine. Both of these are just about pure indicas. I was gonna grow
twice as many blue moonshine, that way i figure if half are males, i'll
have the
same number of females that i do for Oasis. My question is, in that 8 square
feet, how many large indicas could i fit? I've got a bunch of 5 gallon
rubbermaid containers i'm gonna grow in, and 12 fit in the closet just
perfectly. I want to grow large plants, but i'd also like to grow 12 plants,
so i
can sort thru more seeds and get clones for my next growing attempt. I
would clone the two best plants from each variety and then grow the rest
of
the seeds i have left. If anyone can give me any advice concerning how
i
could do this, it would be *greatly* appreciated.
p.s. i know if i wanted to grow 12 plants in that area i could just grow
them
until they are 6 inches or a foot and induce flowering, but i wanted larger
individual yields per plant.
*Thank You* and safe smokin'!!!!!!!!!!
TOPIC -
DATE - 05:46:42 5/17/99
FROM - Nico
Budm ~ My bro would kiss your feet for a try at some of those Panama Red
seed ! lol
TOPIC - indoors to outdoors
DATE - 04:51:23 5/17/99
FROM - funkdified
Does 2 weeks of adjustment time sound good to you all? I figured that I
would add an hour or two of extra outdoor time per day until the two weeks
was over.
Thanks for any help.
TOPIC -
DATE - 21:05:07 5/16/99
FROM - KQ
Pi, I mailed you at hotmail a day or two ago. I figure you don't check
it much
anymore!
TOPIC - Im back!
DATE - 18:27:01 5/16/99
FROM - Mighty Mite
Hey all! Long time no chat! I haven't been around the internet community
much in the past few months, although I tried to keep in touch with a few
people as much as I could through icq. My internet connection was unstable
for a while (rodgers @home) and was down for a time period of almost a
month (network card), however, I am back online, and will be posting much
more often!
Spring is here! Weathers been beautiful so far this year, and I am so excited
about the upcoming outdoor season. This, will probably be my last year
for a
major outdoor project as risks & rip offs are starting to outweigh
the benifits.
Last years season was a bit of a letdown, however, I did up with almost
a 1/2
lb of seeded nl#5 x seatle super skunk bud which kept me in smoke for
about 4-5 months. I did score some Mighty mite sensi bud, some mighty
mite seeded, and one of vics blueberrys which I only pulled a 1/4 ounce
off
of. :( I have a few blueberrys going out this year, which I plan to make
crosses, however I have no more seeds left, so i am hoping on a male &
a
female with my 2 seedlings! (fingers and toes crossed). the 1/4 ounce of
blueberry I had was huge hit with my buddies!
I am going to be making some wonderful crosses with these strains during
this summer, which will be offered at the end of the season!
I have put out a bunch of clones from some local growers, and will be
obtaining some more as time goes by, so I should have a wonderful
season! (should..)
I tried to sprout some p.75 seeds I obained back a few months ago, however
out of the 6 seeds I had, only one sprouted. I was wondering if anyone
had
any p.88 or newer seeds they wouldn't mind trading me for?
pi: I love your post on how to make honey oil. That sounds like a very
easy
and most effective was of producing it then the method I have. Thank you
very much, and I will give it a try after my crop comes in!
Thanks alot everyone for your genetics, I have been spreading all the strains
I have obtained. I have been spreading them throughout my community
which has significantly bettered all our commerical & recreational
marijuana
in our area. I would like to send a special thanks to vic high, toker2,
ncga,
dank, stray dog & kumquat for your generocity! Sorry if I left anyone
out (which
I know I did).
If anyone is looking for software, give me a shout. I have a huge collection
of
games & application!
TOPIC - Budm! You have mail!
DATE - 15:52:54 5/16/99
FROM - Kenkeman
Elvis LIVES!
TOPIC - germinating
DATE - 15:14:16 5/16/99
FROM - mossaphi Kabbar
I bought seeds about one year ago and last summer i grew 5 of them with
a
decent harvest that lasted me from october till now. the remaining seeds
have been laying in a ashtray for about a year now and i recently tried
to
germanate them in water to no avail. they have been in the water for 72
hours now with no change. Is there anyway of saving these seeds or are
they finished for good. Id appreciate any guidance on how to get them to
germinate.
Thank you, Mossaphi
TOPIC - weed in mtl
DATE - 14:48:01 5/16/99
FROM - fortham st.crois
anyone know of a reputable source on the internet ot by seeds from for
less
than 55$ CDN, im growing this summer in MTL and could use all the tips
i
can get my hands on, especially where to get seeds (kinda important).
Thanks in advance
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:38:55 5/16/99
FROM - 67ed
Budm: I meant to say the N. Haze seeds are about done, not the PR seeds,
but I may be getting PR seeds in early July.
TOPIC - haze
DATE - 14:35:28 5/16/99
FROM - 67ed
Budm:
The PR seeds are about ready; need about 3 more weeks to make sure
they're viable. I picked some immature seeds 4 days ago, and put them in
a
moist towel, but none have sprouted yet. I'll email you tonight or tomorrow.
Vic: Think I'll get some Romulan Surprise from HS and see how they do
outdoors.
TOPIC - pizza, low humidity
DATE - 14:17:35 5/16/99
FROM - Reuben
pizza, the best method is a store-bought humidifier. they are not too
expensive (US$25-50). check discount places like kmart, walmart, etc. they
use tap water, evaporate it through a wicking medium with a built-in fan.
note: the bigger the water tank, the less often you need to refill it.
it's not even
worth it to buy one that's less than 2 gallons, imho. also, buy a couple
large
bottles of 3% hydrogen peroxide solution (disinfectant, available at
drugstores) because you DEFINITELY need to add about 1 tablespoon
(15ml) per gallon of water to the water tank, to keep it from getting full
of mold
and algae. otherwise, it will become a mold factory and make your plants
very sick!
if excess water is not a problem, you can also use misters to humidify,
like
they do in greenhouses. but with electrical equipment around, this is NOT
SAFE...
TOPIC - low humidity
DATE - 11:34:34 5/16/99
FROM - pizza
i cant seem to get the humidity up past 50% can anyone suggest a cheap
method to increase
TOPIC - ben, your pH problem
DATE - 10:09:28 5/16/99
FROM - rosetta stone
ben, if you aerate the water after adding the fox farm, i believe the pH
will
drop back into acceptable range within 24hrs. get a small aquarium air
pump and "airstone" and let it bubble in your bucket overnight...
TOPIC - Budm! you have mail!
DATE - 06:06:41 5/16/99
FROM - kenkeman
Nice report on the PR....July's crop should be bountiful and full of seeds...
TOPIC -
DATE - 19:33:13 5/15/99
FROM - trelaway
On the heels of a major bust of a marijuana grow operation last week,
Parksville RCMP
have announced a new task force to stem the tide of the illegal substance.
On Wednesday, police seized some 700 plants and about $3,000 in
equipment from a
commercial premises in Errington rented specifically for the purpose of
growing the illicit
weed.
The same day, local police announced the formation of an "intensive
enforcement initiative
to combat illegal marijuana production and distribution within the area."
Police say the unit was formed in response to "several violent incidents"
recently
perpetrated in the community involving individuals associated with the
local
drug trade.
In the first month of operation, police report 20 search warrants were
executed. Grow
operations that were discovered ranged from one light bulb in a shed to
a
complex
underground bunker with 10 rooms and 60 lights.
More than 4,000 plants were seized during those searches, along with some
$150,000 in
sophisticated growing equipment.
Police say more busts may be coming soon as their investigations continue.
As well, the
detachment stressed that local law enforcement officers are working with
a
federal Crown
prosecutor in Nanaimo to seek severe penalties where a commercial
operation can be
proved or where children have been endangered.
So far, the new unit, dubbed the "green team" has led to criminal charges
against 20
people, chiefly for possession and trafficking of marijuana, as well as
charges of possession
of stolen property and theft of electrical power.
According to police, grow operations in the area generally involve rented
buildings
converted to the cause of pot production.
In many instances, hydro-electric power is stolen by by-passing meter
systems, or
illegitimate occupants simply disappear before paying their bills.
Damage to these buildings is common, and police report that some of the
rented houses
have burned to the ground.
"Investigators were especially upset that in come cases small children
were
living virtually
surrounded by growing marijuana, chemicals and unsafe high voltage
lighting with open
wires," says a report from the Parksville RCMP detachment.
TOPIC - busts
DATE - 19:12:49 5/15/99
FROM - trelaway
I heard it on, I think, the Q on friday but it may have been CBC 1.
TOPIC - ph
DATE - 15:45:37 5/15/99
FROM - ben
my tap is 150 ppm the low ph is from fox farm 3tbs per gal
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:48:11 5/15/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Vic and Budm you have mail. Ot1
TOPIC - busts
DATE - 13:54:04 5/15/99
FROM - Vic High
Trelaway - I've been listening to the Q for abitthis morning but haven't
heard
anything yet. Thanks for the headsup. In the last wave of busts, the whole
lower island was affected over a few days. I hope Duncan and Victoria aren't
next. Frenchie, hope all is well with you if you are lurking.
Occam - pi is having trouble posting and asked me to pass on a message
that he tried emailing you again.
Blazer, those are just plain old romberry above. A more complete
explanaition is down below.
TOPIC - The pic up top?
DATE - 12:47:51 5/15/99
FROM - Blazer
Hey fellas, anyone now what strains are up there? Most look identicle to
My
AK47! WOOHOO that 1 plant gets My rocks off hard! The total package IMO;)
Thats the only plant I've ever gotten from A'dam that's a keeper out of
many.
WE have made the best strains I've ever seen in N.America and they are
free! Screw the tourist A'dam weeds IMO;)
Blaze out
TOPIC - Sub
DATE - 12:44:07 5/15/99
FROM - Blazer
I've had wonderful luck w.o pvc or the pepper shaker config.. Nestaa was
the
1 that brought this to Me months ago and Az, Rhu, NL, IMGC, Nestaa and
I
are all using the method I described. The butane will travel thru 1 hole
easily
as it's under pressure, it'll blow thru 1 hole as well as it will many
IMO. I just
loved the coffee filter idea the most as it made My oil the cleanest yet.
IMGC
and I met in Texas a couple weeks back and combined our techniques w/
His knowledge of making oil in the old days, I like Our plan the best.
But just
like growing, I bet there are a few diff. ways to achieve the same results.
The
hardest part IMO is finding affordable containers of butane. I found 300
ml
bottles for 6$ while the cannucks are buying 4 packs of 8oz. botlles for
under
10$! I dont get that at all! BTW they have found it in Ontario and BC at
those
prices for You in Canada. I emptied the HW(the only 1 I found that had
it in
bigger sizes!) store of all they had and they havent restocked any yet.
I'm
looking into My welding supply connections to see about BIG cylinders at
wholesale prices. I'll let Ya's know what I find.
Peace Folks, Blazer
TOPIC - nanaimo busts
DATE - 10:52:19 5/15/99
FROM - trelaway
I heard they got like fifty growers with a task force set up to tarket
indoor
growers?
Just a bunch of people stealing hydro again?
TOPIC - BC
DATE - 09:52:23 5/15/99
FROM - Ash
I love THC
TOPIC - Pan Red
DATE - 09:00:48 5/15/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All, Well if any one is following the story of the one PR seedling that
germed out of the 10 beans that were attempted, he/she is at about 1 month
old 12" tall and 7 nodes, the distance between node 3 and 4 is about 5"'s,
its
starting IMO to show satavia traits, and it also has a unique feature,
running
almost the entire lentgh of the stem from node 2 to the top are dark red
stripes. Ive decided to cross this one with Nevs Haze, as my friend in
Panama has indicated that at years end there will be mare PR seeds
avaiable, thus the concern of this being a once-in-a-lifetime chance, to
breed
a set of real PR seeds will have another chance.
Nico- Best of Luck, Ive worked with MicroSofts "Front Page" wysiwys program
(what you see is what you get) for building web sites, and its very easy.
MSofts web site sells a trial version of it for about 8$us, so if its not
what you
want, no big expenditure done. And its just point and click, no HTML skills
needeed. And the whole Msoft website was developed with Front Page, and
it looks great, Ive seen many Front Page developed sites, that look as
if a
HTML artist costing big$$$ built it, good stuff. HTH
KQ- I was able to decrypt OTs email, but im having a problem with yours,
Ill
figure it out today and mail ya.
Have a great weekend all, and stay safe
Peace
TOPIC - Aust/NZ site ..
DATE - 06:47:08 5/15/99
FROM - Nico
Vic , do you think you could give me a little insite into setting up a
page like
you have ? *** Email me Aussies and Kiwi's , we'll get this shit 'a movin'..
all I
have is time at the moment .
180 ,
Many States of Australia are decriminalized and large scale grows (outdoor)
are big in both countries.
Indoor is pretty big too .. Hydroponics in Australia is getting bigger
, though
NZ hasn't court up yet..
Thanks for the info ...
anyone that can help me with my task at hand .. email me at the above
address...
TOPIC -
DATE - 04:44:27 5/15/99
FROM - subcool
i'd suggest gloves for the static electricity.
i also i'm interested in BC give me the scoop
sub
TOPIC -
DATE - 04:35:43 5/15/99
FROM - subcool
so blazz would one hole at the bottom of the cylinder be better than the
peper config?
i'm going to try this today
i'm using 1-1/4 pvc thats 18" long
????
sub
TOPIC - Moving to BC
DATE - 00:34:37 5/15/99
FROM - ^~^Probert^~^
Is it worth it to move to B.C. to get involved. Im looking to move in the
the next
year and it its either. Northern cali, B.C. or amsterdam. please respond.
Thank you all
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