TOPIC - vic, you're fine
DATE - 05:30:33 7/01/99
FROM - 180
vic, i politely (hehe) disagree with eric's post below.
we all know that the hempqc link brings in lurkers and newbies. most of
them have the sense not to post irrelevant
questions, because they read the board and see what sort of discussion
is going on. the ones who DO post the
irrelevant or inappropriate Q's MUST be discouraged or "led back onto the
path", otherwise bcga chat becomes
scattered and useless like some other chat boards whose names i won't mention.
if a poster can't figure out that the link from hempqc IS (as described
on the hempqc site menu) a LINK, leading to
another URL, then they OBVIOUSLY NEED a wake up call.
no one should be stumbling around the internet like a drunk, anymore than
they should be out in the street, stumbling
around in traffic. (nothing against drunks, but you know what i mean).
and your comment about parents' "irrational" anger is right on the money.
you as the operator of the site have an
obligation to exclude minors, for their own protection. if they conduct
themselves in a mature fashion and fool us all into
believing they are "self-responsible", then perhaps they also have the
sense to behave that way in the real world as
well, but the ones who act like KIDS really do need to be sent packing,
it's the only RESPONSIBLE thing to do!
peace
TOPIC - ATTN: Budm
DATE - 22:26:40 6/30/99
FROM - KGB
Hey bud, couldn't open that PGP message you sent. Could ya try it again,
just post it to me in ADPC...thanks.
KGB
TOPIC - Smack Dad,180 et all Pyroclay
DATE - 18:38:39 6/30/99
FROM - Blazer
The MH works fine w/o the ignitor cap. needed to start the HPS bulb. Most
types like that have a switch to go from 1 to
the other... Read more and check back. I make HPS ballasts into MH ballasts
all the time when I find a need. It's cake.
The other way around is tricky. I use MH ballasts w. Iwasaki 940 hps conversion
bulbs personally for the end of flower,
they have the best spectrums and life IMO. BUT man they are EXSPENSIVE
as hell. How do Ya put a price on
something like that though when we expect only the best? I recomend buying
HPS ballasts now and merely
disconnecting the ignitor for the HPS bulb when using MH bulbs. I learned
that 1 the hard/ exspensive way too sadly.
FLOATIES in the juice. Most re dislove I've found, but not all. I can't
see it being detrimantal as its still aerobic(not
smelly like stagnant anerobic bacteria).
*Pyroclay is very neat shit as mine contains 97 essential trace elements
in usable form. I tried allowing drippers to
spread it, I may try the pany hose idea NL is soo found of. What's He doin
w/ so many panies anyhow? LOL 1 of them
under each drip line may do the trick IMO. I just had soo many other variables
going w/ My bioponics that I didnt want
another variable to consider and dropped that plan. After 1 more batch
of strait GH hydro nutes w/ a few additives while
still running a biofilter, I've decided it's time to fill the res. again
w/ all the micro organisms I told most of You about last
time. I think the yield was identicle, the only slight difference was in
resin production IMO. The buds dry a lil less sticky
w/o bioponics than with. Otherwise it was a total success, I just need
to dial in the food for the bacteria now I think, it
seemed to thrive w/ nutrients alone, but I can't help to wonder..Here We
go AGAIN! LOL
Blaze out
OH BTW..It's incredible to see some of the faces from HBC and Our other
lil hide outs bringing Our collected info to a
new group of Gents...Sharing is where it's at fellas! It'll get You FAR
w/ Most of Us here;)
TOPIC - irish
DATE - 18:20:40 6/30/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey Irish, your right, that is probably where the confusion comes from.
Just followed that link route for the first time and
it can give a false impression. We'll need to get RC to change that link
somehow. Billy, if this is where you came from,
Eric is right, I owe you an apology. I'm sorry, it's not clear from that
route that these message boards aren't part of
Heavan's Stairway. Hope you understand.
TOPIC - seeds
DATE - 18:03:41 6/30/99
FROM - Vic High
Nah Eric, wouldn't hold it against you, you were willing to speak up with
your known name. Something I respect. About
the seed thing, I tried changing the wording again. However, that seed
page lists a few vendors to choose from and no
place does it suggest buying direct. So I stand by my comments. You see,
what we do is illegal (not to be
condescending). One thing that will get us noticed is angry parents and
this could bring more heat than any of us
needs. That kind of heat is usually irrational.
TOPIC - the billy "issue"
DATE - 17:53:40 6/30/99
FROM - irish
the question asked about the codes next to the strains. this leads me to
believe that billy came here by way of
hempqc's split chat screen. along with many more of the "hi. i like to
get high" posts.
billy... e mail the hempqc address directly, this is just a message board
that happens to be linked to their website. or
click onto the orders page.
mead 'e ate. irish.
TOPIC - Vic high
DATE - 15:47:38 6/30/99
FROM - Eric
VIC
actually i think you owe Billy an apology because i just clicked the link
to your main page and it still says
" strains OFFERED by the association"
Now i know and many others know where you stand on selling seeds but to a new comer it would be confusing.
Another thing I notice is the hard ass you have developed over the last
few weeks...kind of smart assy if I must
say..now Im noone to talk..but I thought you liked to stay ABOVE that.
More of a peaceful guy from what I drew of your
internet personality...But you know i dont care...just thought after reading
SEVERAL posts from you and noticing it I
would post it..hope you dont hold this against me :)
TOPIC - pi mon
DATE - 13:58:45 6/30/99
FROM - nl420
You have what you need buddy.. All you need to do is mix it up and use
it.. Happy trails..
On the "floaties" - I first used the off the shelf product before mixin
my own.. The floaties are normal after standing
awhile.. When I asked my hydro store how long they had it before I bought
it they said it sat on the shelf for more than
a year.. Made no difference here.. Nesta knows what the floaties are, Blaze
ask him to pop in and make a post or
pass it on to you and I to post.. I rubber band some of the wifes panty
hose to the mouth of the bottle I use so no
floaties get into my mix.. Please no comments on that.. ROFL..
8-)_~~
TOPIC - Damn Math, NL
DATE - 13:39:49 6/30/99
FROM - Blazer
Man this conversion shit gets Me every time. I meant 500 ml's of h2o, not
1 liter(1000ml's). I add 5 ml's to each gallon
of res. solution whether it be GH nutes or any other.
Yes I needed warm h2o to fully disolve the sugars and the shelf life is
questionable IMO. I had 1 batch that after a few
months, it had a few floaties in it. I used it after shaking well and all
seemed fine. I think the juice my get "pulp like"
after a long time of sitting, but still does the same job well IMO. I only
have a second here so My post is brief. I'll catch
all the rest later;)
Peace, Blazer
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:35:58 6/30/99
FROM - SmackDaddy
That,s what puzzels me, the mantanace men swap them all the time but I
can't go up to them to ask. They might ask
to many questions. The box the light come in said it would work on the
Halide ballast. This is the first time I have ever
had this type of lighting and it will take some time to get used to it.
Should I even worry about the HPS with the MH? It
lights up just fine.
TOPIC - Correction!!!
DATE - 13:27:08 6/30/99
FROM - SmackDaddy
Forget the first Question right below this message! Sorry I jumped the
gun and forgot the reading process. This is my
first time on here.
TOPIC - light
DATE - 13:26:48 6/30/99
FROM - cedartop
smack, it sounds like you have a mercury vapor/halide instead of a hps
TOPIC - Smell,Taste,High
DATE - 13:13:13 6/30/99
FROM - SmackDaddy
I would like to know of a very low smell type will growing as I have nosey
nieghbors. I would sill like to have a good
taste if possible with a good high. My second question...I have a 400 watt
ballast for hps and mh, when I try the hps
light it only glows a dull errie light. The box the light come in says
to disconnect any peaking capacitor. My ballast is a
commercial lighting ballast made for both lights I thought, it is a GE
M-59 Merc/Halide. I only seen one capacitor as it
had do be dissasembeled and modified for my purpose. Do I disconnect this
capacitor completely and tie the two wires
togather or just disconnect one lead and tape it off? Any help would be
appriciated. Peace be with you.
SmackDaddy...TN
TOPIC - Billy
DATE - 11:35:00 6/30/99
FROM - Vic High
Billy, I'll give you the standard responce that I give all those who email
me about the same thing. No one here sells
seeds. Period. The BCGA webpage is pretty clear about this I believe. The
fact that you come here and ask this
question begs a question from me. Are you mature enough to be growing?
I'll clarify.... growing is illegal. There are
some places where you can go to jail for growing. You must be on top of
things and follow some basic rules to protect
your safety. The fact that you posted that question makes me wonder about
your ability to do that. Me nor anyone here
wants to be responcible for you getting into trouble. I hope you understand.
The short answer? Contact the seed
vendor, they will inform you of the process.
BOB - all things aside, viable THC producing cannabis seeds are illegal
to posess. That must be understood, despite
the lax way it is dealt with. IMHO, they are nothing to worry about, but
the cops DO have the power to charge you if
they desire.
TOPIC - 180-sweetwater
DATE - 09:19:19 6/30/99
FROM - jay
actually 180 steve just uses 4 inch mesh pots filled with hydrocorn..no
organic medium at all...the top inch is a mixture
mostly of wormcastings,but steve makes a mixture much like vic's super
soil mix and sells it(just bare organic
ingredients)you can either add it to a bale of pro mix or what ever..this
is the same mix that he puts with the worm
castings...and his drip lines are 1/8inch...its unreal to see the system..the
plants filter out and use the bad chems to
protect the fish(their shit or in better terms nitrites)so its kinda like
1 working for the other..real cool...
TOPIC - Question
DATE - 08:59:06 6/30/99
FROM - Billy Behe
When i want to order the seeds from your place do i just put on a piece
of paper the code of what seeds i want and the
money in the card and then mail it or should i do something else to it?
TOPIC - pi, sucanat, blazer, pyroclay
DATE - 08:41:25 6/30/99
FROM - 180
sucanat is fine pi, in fact it's probably the best for your purposes. "cold-processed",
lots of minerals, etc.
Blazzzz! have you ever seen a description of breeder steve's "sweetwater"
system? i think he was trying to market it,
don't know. anyway, organic "deep-water" hydro, but with the plants rooted
through an organic medium above the
water. the drip emitters were staked one-per-plant and he added dry nutes
like pyroclay on top of the medium, under
the dripper, where it would be slowly dissolved. this under-the-emitter
method is also recommended on the pyroclay3
package.
pyroclay is more finely milled than most other trace nutrient supplements
that i've seen (powder as opposed to
granular), so it would be better suited to this application. the granular
forms really need to be mixed in the medium.
peace
TOPIC - pot seed legality
DATE - 00:22:44 6/30/99
FROM - trelaway
I think, technically, you can own seed so long as it's non-viable (won't
sprout). However, there are a few retail outlets
where you can buy over the counter seed. The amsterdam cafe is the I'm
aware of and it's in Vancouver.
I don't think it's a big issue to possess them here but it would be if
you were caught smuggling them into, say, the usa.
TOPIC - thanks...
DATE - 22:35:43 6/29/99
FROM - irish
maybe it is time to go shopping...
TOPIC - sucanat
DATE - 18:15:53 6/29/99
FROM - pi
it is not a liquid but golden brown granules.
a product description can be found below. i got it at a health food store
same as the citric acid power.
http://www.wholesomefoods.com/manufact/index2.htm
TOPIC - sucanat
DATE - 18:12:34 6/29/99
FROM - pi
http://www.wholesomefoods.com/manufact/index2.htm
TOPIC - "Wheres My Mojo"
DATE - 17:25:30 6/29/99
FROM - nl420
Pi and Irish.. Not sure about the shelf life.. Maybe Blaze can comment..
Warm water would help disovle it better I do
believe.. Yes that is 1 oz dry weight for the powder.. PI I do not know
what that liquid is that you brought up.. I went to
local super market and they had RAW cane Sugar.. It is golden in color..
Irish Your mix for your GH nutes makes no
difference.. Just add 10ml of the citric/sugar mix to every 1 gal of GH
mix you make.. If you mix up 5 gal at a time then
you would add 50ml, If you mix up 1 gal at a time then add 10 ml.. I change
res every 10-12 days and the citric/sugar
mix lasts for that time period.. You are just adding it as an addition
to your normal nute mix.. make sure you let sit for
24 hrs before adding to res.. It is alot easier to get the ph adjusted
before hand.. I do not experience ph fluctuations
during that 10-12 days in the res.. Hope this helped..
Sorry about my "web math" rofl..
8-)_~~
TOPIC - sorry nl
DATE - 12:25:59 6/29/99
FROM - pi
did not see your correction.
is it necessary to warm the water in order to get all the stuff disolved
and in suspension?
TOPIC - nl420 and Blaze
DATE - 12:21:51 6/29/99
FROM - curious pi
nl>>> this question begs asking. how do you divide
1000ml= 1l by 100 gal and get 5 ml per gal??????? is math on the web different?
i get 10ml per gallon. doh. )))
also what do you do with the concentrate? store it in the frig?
i am assuming we are talking measurement of the sugar/citric acid by weight ie 1 oz by weight of each
i have in my hot little hands pure citric acid and organic sucanat which
is called granulated cane "juice". is this what i
want?
tia
TOPIC - lovely organic citric additives
DATE - 12:14:28 6/29/99
FROM - irish
just for clarification by the way:
so, if GH is used in the 1-2-3 style (2 always being the micro, 3 and one
interchanging depending on the cycle)
you would add the citric mix below at the same ratio as micro (2 teaspoon/
10 mL) always, until clearing?
and this is okay to leave in during a normal 10-14 day changing cycle for
the reservoir?
also, mixing this additive up in the 1 oz/ 1 oz/ 1 L mix... would this have a fairly good shelf life?
my friend's res. is filtered and quite aerated. bacteria has not been a major concern. but a fermentation would be.
OT1***
allantoin is also used as aloe vera for minor cuts and bruises, razor burn,
skin irritation. but, "supernatural" is still hard
to find here.
and while i am at it can anyone tell me where i come up with these silly
questions? irish.
TOPIC - What's the Law?
DATE - 12:12:46 6/29/99
FROM - BOB
Just curious what the law says about buying and possesing marijuana seed.
The question I guess is...is it legal in
Canada?
TOPIC - I stand corrected
DATE - 11:48:15 6/29/99
FROM - nl420
That would be 10 ml not 5 ml.. Dam I hate metric..
TOPIC - thanx
DATE - 11:14:20 6/29/99
FROM - herb lover
id just like to extend my thanx to t2, i a appreciate the help and id be
happy to return the favor anyday, just email me.
TOPIC - bit off topic but concerns email
DATE - 11:07:49 6/29/99
FROM - cedartop
i get the andover net newletter every day and ran across this supposedly
secure email software. thought i'd post the
link if anyone is interested.
Link:
TOPIC - Webby
DATE - 10:40:06 6/29/99
FROM - Blazer
I'm a GH using hydro guy too and haven't had any problems You mentioned.
If this does happen w/ the juice We
mentioned, You need much more aggitation/arriration in Your res. IMO. I
get NO organic sludge or settling of anykind in
My res., but I also filter and circulate the shit out of My res. w/ pumps
and airstones. You think it's fermentation or
maybe the res. is going anerobic on You?ie stinky bacteria opposed to aerobic
which is beneficial. I've found adding o2
and circulation keeps My res. clear and clean as a whistle. I'm a drip
fan too so filtering is a big must.
I hope I hit the Q for Ya..I bet I got a lil to elementary for You on the
bacteria etc...just checking;)
Blazer
TOPIC - Citric/Sugar
DATE - 05:54:34 6/29/99
FROM - nl420
Webfish - You dont use it during clearing.. Plain water is all that should
be used to clear out the plant.. The mix should
be used during the Veg and Flowering Cycle only.. My experience with using
it during clearing keeps some of the
chem taste lingering..
Curious G - 1oz each of the powder will treat 100 Gal. So whatever aount
of water you use to mix the powder with, you
divide by 100 and you get your per gal measurement.. This confused the
hell out of me too but is quite simple.. Blaze
takes 1 oz raw cane + 1 oz of citric acid + 1 Liter of water.. Mix it thouroughly...
Now dive 100 by 1 liter and you get 5
ml.. So you would add 5 ml of the mix to every 1 gal of water used.. phew..
I can't comment on the soil/ph question but
the Citric/Sugar mix should just be added to your nute solution.. It has
only moved my ph down about 2 then it goes
back up to where it was or very close within the hour.. I mix my nute solutions
24 hrs or more before I plan to add it to
my res.. This allows everything that is gonna settle or mess with me to
adjust..
8-)_~~
TOPIC -
DATE - 04:18:54 6/29/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Asking Q's like the difference between sat and indica here is not what
this page is about read the book at this link then
come back and ask relevent Q's
Link: MJ growers handbook
TOPIC - Citric / Sugar Supplements
DATE - 20:06:17 6/28/99
FROM - Curious George
A tip of the hat to Blaze and the folks who posted those articles by Dr.
Thomas ( even though all the tech talk was hard
to read in small print ). Very interesting stuff.
I'd like to give it a shot on the tomatos & peppers out back. Since
there are several variety's in multiple buckets, there
would be side-by-side controls.
I'm lousy at math, so will somebody tell me how the "2 oz. per 100 gal.
of nutrient solution" recipe given in the article
compares with the "2 oz. per 1 liter of water diluted 5 ml. per gal." that
Blaze posted?
It sounds like something to use as a supplement after the usual watering
a few times a week. What PH changes
should we expect, if any, in the soil?
That article also mentioned using seaweed products. Since various liquid
seaweed supplements are readily available,
what would you have to add to that stuff to get the acid portion of the
treatment?
Thanks again for the tip.
TOPIC - citrus
DATE - 19:31:03 6/28/99
FROM - webfish
Blazer on the clearing subject I have tried citrus, but not powdered and
raw sugar and it always ferments and stinks in
my tank using only GH will the powderd do this also??I have noticed a huge
increase in flavor infact it also brought out
the fact that I was over feeding,I cut nutes in half growth is the same
or better and flavor and smell are 2 to 3 X....
TOPIC -
DATE - 18:09:03 6/28/99
FROM - Mofo
I would just like to know what the differnece is between indica and sativa.
Another question i have is if the climate in
Miami, Fl is suitable for growing marijuana and if its better to grow inside
or outside. And if i were to start growing
would it be better to start off with seeds that i get or seeds from the
internet.
TOPIC - pyrolite. pyro clay etc
DATE - 14:29:43 6/28/99
FROM - Blazer
I've read about these products and have followed some greenhouse studies
w/ this stuff. The products I've treid just
gunked up all kinds of shit sadly, I haven't found a keen hydro application
yet. I'll dig up that article too, it has actual
pictures of different plant beds w/ different amounts of clay added and
some w/ none. MAJOR differences when used
right IMO and thiers, I just haven't pinned down the "how to" part on the
hydro end yet. I'll find it, it's also written By
Dr.Thomas or 1 of His chronies up there. I forget if it was in The Growing
Edge or 21st. Century Gardening. Both are
EXCELLENT publications, always on the cutting edge of technology.
TOPIC - T2, NL,180 all..G GREEN
DATE - 14:22:06 6/28/99
FROM - Blazer
T2 I wish I could of given You the slow cured stuff...Just like candy man;)I
wished I had a kola of it then to show off, I'm
damn proud of this gal and what I've tweeked her into doing.
NL thankYou for posting that! I was dreading trying to Myself.
180 I know soil user's use it, but not sure how exactly. I'd say it's the
same or damn similar.
ALL That "juice" can be made at home for a few bucks. Go to a brewery shop
and buy citric acid in powder form, then
get some raw, unprocessed sugar from the grocery store. This sugar still
contains mollasis etc.. I mix 1 dry oz. of each
powder together in 1 liter of warm h2o and mix well. Then w/ every res.
change, I add 5ml's of the juice to My res per
gallon of nutrient .. It drops PH hard for a day, but quickly rebounds
as citric is a week acid. USE THIS THE ENTIRE
PLANTS LIFE, not just flower. I promise You haven't tasted or smelled sweeter
fruit in Your life bud wise. I've found that
I can pull a few buds w/o clearing anything and they still taste great,
no chemmy taste at all. After a weeks flush w/
clearing solution or h2o...LOOK OUT BABY!
That's why Luther says it's the Flavor Factor, I'm going on 2 years of
using it now w/ nothing but the best of results
IMO. Hell I have some pot that smells so fruity, poeple think I beat a
skunk w/ a honeysuckle bush and the smoke
couldn't be any easier on the lungs. LOL It's nothing short of amazing
and just simple plant chemistry.
G GREEN Thats a new 1 to Me, very ingenious of You to make that discovery
IMO! I bet the tea part doesn't hurt
fertilizer wise either, very cool idea.
Blazer
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:45:35 6/28/99
FROM - t2
herb lover heres a link to an excellent grow guide,also check out the pages
at www.weedbase.com and
www.cannabis.com
Link: grow guide
TOPIC - GROWING MY OWN STUFF
DATE - 13:01:30 6/28/99
FROM - HERB LOVER
WHATS A GOOD WEBSITE TO GO TO, WERE I CAN LEARN TO GROW AND PRODUCE MY
OWN WEED, ITS
TOO EXPENSIVE TO BE BUYING ALL THE TIME. ID APPRECIATE THE HELP.
TOPIC - citric acid & sugar
DATE - 07:09:04 6/28/99
FROM - GGreen
As I've said before, instant iced tea mix. I use Lipton, but I'm sure any
brand will do. Main ingredients: Sugar and Citric
Acid. It's good in soil too, that's my own personal observation as I've
never done hydro. When I mix my high
drainage(lots of perlite) organic medium together I also add some brewers
yeast, mollasses, humic and fulvic acids just
to get the microbes off to a good start. Of course, liquid seaweed is used
from day 1 'til the last few days of flowering. I
hope that helps someone somewhere.
Peace
TOPIC - thank you NL420
DATE - 05:34:00 6/28/99
FROM - 180
thanks for the info!
TOPIC - flavorizing....
DATE - 22:55:32 6/27/99
FROM - irish
if i remember correctly, wasn't there a time limit on keeping that organic
supplement in a hydro res?
could a person leave this biolife mix in a res for a two week cycle? (using
daily and/or to clear) or should it be
supplemented with the daily diet always?
spit it out, irish.... i guess i am asking...supplement GH nutes like a
"pure blend" product? and if you can, maybe a
little recipe/ratio (flower to bloom) please... thanks
always a greedy boy when it comes to knowledge.
TOPIC - "Dr. Luthor Thomas"
DATE - 15:52:10 6/27/99
FROM - nl420 8-)_~~
Hey 180 - Blaze is right with the sugar/citric trick.. His store bought
product is called "Bio Juice Keto Plant Acid
Catalyst" I have been using it now for about a year.. 2 articles follow
that I pulled from weedbase..
http://www.laughing-moon.com/forum/geni/messages/31.html
----- Begin Articles -----
-- "The Flavor Factor" --
What constitutes a delicious tomato--acid, sugar, or a combination of both?
Centaintly the type of tomato one choses
to grow will determine its specific taste; there are around 4,000 tomato
hybrids available. But what is it that
unlocks the fruit's full flavor potential?
The biochemestry of plants can be separated into two groups known as primary
and secondary metabolism. The
primary metabolic systems are carbohydrate, the citric acid cycle, amino
acid, purine and pyrimidine. The secondary
metabolic
system consists of two major sections, isoprenoids and acetogenins. Isoprenoids
consist of steroids, carotenoids and
polyisoprenoids for the synthesis of vitamins A, D, E and K. Acetogenins
are benzophenones, acetogenin alkaloids,
flavonoids, fatty acids, antibiotic macroides, etc., which are mainly responsible
for the taste and smell of the fruit and
plant.
Tomato plants cultivated in hydroponic systems and sub-standard soil (with
low organic content) often have secondary
metabolic systems which are at best marginal in performance. A deficient
secondary metabolic system is indicated by
a lack of plant and fruit odor.
During low periods of photosynthesis, primary metabolic systems deter the
production of plant acids, sugars and
amino acids essential for the maintaince of secondary metabolic processes.
Under natural conditions in which the
tomato plant is growing in fertile soil, there exists a supplemental reserve
of acids and sugars to maintain the energy
requirements of the plant. Tomato plants add to
this reserve by secreting citric acid from their roots into the soil.
Hydroponic plant roots are clean and white in appearance from constantly
being washed by the flow of inorganic
nutrient solution. In the process, plant acids secreted by the roots have
become diluted to such a level that a viable
factor in plant metabolism is lost. This practise restricts an important
biological pathway influencing primary and
secondary metabolism. Thus, it's not difficult to understand why many hydroponic
fruits lack an odor and taste.
Remove a
biological system, something has to suffer.
How does one manipulate a hydroponic system to correct a deficient secondary
metabolic system in tomato
plants?..... Simply increase the plant acid and carbohydrate content of
the plant to get the primary metabolic system
functioning properly.
In primary metabolism, the tricarboxylic acid cycle--also known as the
kreb and citric acid cycle-- contains citric,
aconitic, isocitric, succinic, fumaric, malic and oxalacetic acids. Citric
and malic acid are considered accumulator
acids in many plants. For example, citrate is a major constituent of oranges,
lemons, strawberries and tomatoes, while
malic acid is strongly represented in apples, plums and cherries. The type
and amount of acid varies according with the
phase of plant development and environmental conditions.
Only the plant kingdom is genetically capable of accumulating high concentrations
of one or two acids within their
cells, but never to the extent of excluding the
minor acids, which are always present in catalytic quantities.
The minor acids, oxalacetate and a-ketoglutarate, do not accumulate to
any great extent because they are rapidly
converted by transanimation into other metabolic compounds. A-ketoglutarate
acid funtions in the assimilation of
inorganic ammonia nitrogen to produce a precuror amino acid. It also funtions
in carbohydrate and lipid metabolism.
The other minor acids accumulate in some plants, sometimes so much so that
they end up becoming a major
constituent of the plant. For example, Aconitic acid is the major acidic
componant of sugar cane juice. In maize
seedlings, aconitic
acid is found in the older parts of the roots, and in the young shoots
of wheat and rye it is the most plentiful acid.
Isocitric and malate acid comprise the bulk of acid in blackberry fruit.
With such examples in mind, an understanding of
the plant acid biochemistry of different species is important for creating
an appropriate feeding and physical
environment.
As mentioned, in nature supplemental acids and sugars are available in
soil for assimilation by plants. These plant
acids and alcohol sugars represent a source of vital energy in the synthesis
of protiens, lipids, etc. Sucrose, the
principal sugar of higher plants such as tomatoes, is none other than common
table sugar. Research has
demonstrated the ability of plants to assimilate sucrose. The tomato plant,
when fed small amounts of sucrose in a
hydroponic environment, displays increased turgor, vigorous growth and
darkening of the leaves. Many hydroponic
nutrient solutions lack this important sourse of metabolic energy and there
is no reason why they should be.
Soluble seaweed is an excellent source of sugars and B vitamins, but short
on plant acids. Commercial products that
contain plant extracts are another source of plant acids and sugars, but
they can be costly. My favorite formula is very
simple, very inexpensive and proven through use to be very effective. It
is a mixture of 50 percent citric acid and 50
percent raw sugar cane. In Austrailia this formula can be purchased as
Bio-Earth Sea Acids, marketed by Waterworks
Horticultural of Melbourne. (Pure Food Hydroponics....in USA now market
all of Dr. Thomas's BIOPONIC products)
For those of you who do not dwell Down Under, raw sugarcane is a plant
extract containing sucrose, alcohol sugars
and plant acids. Acid percentages are as follows: citric, 0.21; malic,
0.22; aconitic, 1.45; succinic, 0.05; glycolic, 0.04;
mesaconic, 0.05 and a trace of fumaric acid. The recommended usage is at
the rate of two ounces per one hunded
gallons of nutrient solution. For the hobbyist, citric acid and raw sugarcane
can be found in most supermarkets, health
food
stores or bakery supply outlets.
Dr. Luthor Thomas holds his Ph.D in plant biochemistry. He is recently retired and has settled in Utah.
Above article taken from The Growing Edge ...... volume 7, number 2
------------------------
-- BIO Line --
The Bio line of organic supplements include Bio Juice (NPK 1.5-1.5-1.5),
Bio Bloom (NPK 5-8-5), Bio Juice Keto Plant
Acid Catalyst, and Pyro-Lite silicon clay (NPK
0-0-2).
Bio Juice and Bio Bloom, formulated by Dr. Luther Thomas, are described
as 'hydrolysed mixtures of organic ion
precursors, which are utilized by the plant's biosythesis metabolic pathways'
to enhance taste, smell and plant genetic
potential. Formulated to meet the requirements of a bioponic system in
conventional hydroponics, the Bio line
duplicates the biogeochemical activity that occurs naturally in organic,
fertile soil. According to the manufacturer, Bio
Bloom also promotes dense flowering far better than guano.
Bio Juice Keto Plant Acid Catalyst has been formulated to increase the
tricarboxylic acid levels within the plant,
promoting growth and greater yields - the catalyst is designed to compliment
inorganic nutrient solutions and enhance
normal plant processes.
Pyro-Llite is an aluminosilicate zeolite clay that has a high cation exchange
capacity. When exposed to water
solutions having a weak acid, the clay releases
monosilicic acid, a systemic repellent of microbial pathogens and some
insects. Pyro-Llite clay also supplements
trace elements, reduces wilting, and stregthens plant tissue.
Above taken from the NEWS & PRODUCTS section of Practical Hydroponics & Greenhouses issue 34)
----- End Articles ----
Hope this helps some.. Happy growin..
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:15:49 6/27/99
FROM - t2
blazer i agree with you if your talking about the taste but hydro bud still
looks like hydro bud haha.tha sample i tried
was very nice indeed,tasted sweet and very easy on the lungs
TOPIC - greets blazz, greenbear, Mofo, noobee
DATE - 13:29:08 6/27/99
FROM - 180
hello greenbear, sorry i haven't emailed! good to hear the genius is hanging
in there. my best to u-no-hoo! :-)
blazz, i wonder what that citric acid does in the res??? it might be reacting
with some of the nutes (chelating to form
citrates)...hmmm. does dr. luther use this solution in soil or hydro? it
might be inappropriate for soil use in certain
conditions, i dunno.
if you have all that dr. luther stuff on your hard drive, do you think
you could send it to me via email? i would be most
appreciative :-)
Mofo: in miami if you had the safe outdoor location you could grow any
type of weed you want, florida has a long
growing season. but you would have to water it alot, since it gets so hot
there. indoors, you would need some
SERIOUS air conditioning to control the summer heat. if you could, it would
be good to grow outdoors during the hot
months, indoors during the winter. we should all be so lucky!
there's plenty of good weed available commercially in florida, but you
may not get seeds in the best weed, and the best
weed is what you want to grow, so you might get tired of looking for seeds
in bags and order them instead. ordering
has its risks but if you ask around and read what others have to say, you
can make an "informed decision". after that
you just hope for the best :-)
you will find the "seed and breed" info on other discussion boards though;
generally don't discuss seed sellers here.
look at www.cannabinoid.com or www.weedbase.com for info about where to
buy seeds.
noobee, growing from seed every time is hard, so you want to keep your
best plant and clone it if possible. it's not hard
to learn to clone, and "obtaining" good clones is alot harder unless you
know someone who has them for sale (this is
not the case for most newbie growers). you DON'T want to get clones from
someone you don't know and trust,
because it is risky as hell and could be a bust, not to mention a rip-off.
do you think just any grower would sell you a
clone of her best plant? think about it!
peace (freedom from harassment)
TOPIC - Vic, Hydro weed taste
DATE - 11:50:09 6/27/99
FROM - Blazer
Vic I couldn't agree more w/ the below post;)
Hydro wise, I have been using a simple solution of raw sugar and citric
acid mixed up in My res. w/ all other nutes. I'll
bet My last $ You cannot tell if it's hydro or organic! I have also noticed
w/ this same solution, clearing isn't nearly as
difficult or even needed. It was developed By Dr. Luther Thomas(famous
from the mag. Growing Edge) in an article
called "the flavor factor". This lil concoction caters to the plants kreb
cycle all thru all growth stages. It makes all fruits
and veggies so much prettier, tastier and smooth as all get out! It's too
simple and very proven/well kept secret IMO.
Very similar if not identicle to Biojuice or the like. I'll find the info
for Ya's if You like.
I've been away so if I missed any Q's directed at Me..sorry, ask again
please. Chatty bastages We are;)
Blazer
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:34:02 6/27/99
FROM - Mofo
I would just like to know what the
differnece is between indica and sativa.
Another question i have is if the climate
in Miami, Fl is suitable for growing
marijuana and if its better to grow inside
or outside.
And if i were to start growing would it be
better to start off with seeds that i get or
seeds from the internet.
TOPIC - trelaway
DATE - 00:37:09 6/27/99
FROM - Old Bud
Could'nt agree with you more. The real quality weed is kept for special
clients or for their own use. Thats why I grow
my own, but dont get wrong I think organic tastes better than hydro. I
only use hydro to keep myself amused, I like
playing with all the pumps and pipes etc. Only wish I had more room haha
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 00:32:31 6/27/99
FROM - oldtimer1
greenbear Haha sent it weeks ago thought you hadn't had time to contact
me nice to know it finally arrived. I hope our
friend is doing ok.
TOPIC - How to get clones?
DATE - 16:49:49 6/26/99
FROM - Noobee
I've been nurturing seedlings for the past 3 weeks now.. am starting to
realize how much better clones will be.
How available, safe or both are clones?
TOPIC - OT!
DATE - 14:36:44 6/26/99
FROM - greenbear
Hey OT the birthday card came four daysago Thankyou!(It made at least TWO
Atlantic
crossings! but it made it!
TOPIC - still kickin' n' screaming
DATE - 14:32:16 6/26/99
FROM - greenbear
High all, it's been REAL exciting the last few weeks! Vic your .75 Romulan
is doing well,along
with the Genius.I'll see that they get to where they need to go.
la.bud- they did there thing-lots of VERY interesting crosses
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:16:17 6/26/99
FROM - 0ldtimer1
Budm you have mail reply to my other account! Ot1
TOPIC - Old Bud
DATE - 10:40:47 6/26/99
FROM - trelaway
Hey man,
Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against hydro pot, so long as it's cleared.
I've been living on southern Vancouver
Island for a decade and while I agree there is decent weed around--commercial
quality, in B.C., is in decline.
TOPIC - schwag exports
DATE - 09:53:13 6/26/99
FROM - zip
Why offer them gold when they line up to buy silver?
heh heh heh
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:03:25 6/26/99
FROM - Mofo
I would just like to know what the differnece is between indica and sativa.
Another question i have is if the climate in
Miami, Fl is suitable for growing marijuana and if its better to grow inside
or outside.
And if i were to start growing would it be better to start off with seeds
that i get or seeds from the internet.
TOPIC - Trelaway
DATE - 03:01:24 6/26/99
FROM - Old Bud
Theres lots of GREAT BUD here in BC, The only problem is there is too much
good bud here in BC. I got the
smooooooothest around (imho) and its not organic!!! Whaaaa!
Treated several friends behind the the bar (20+ year smokers) tonite the
best I had. Said it was the best they had (too
bad I had to tell it was from down south). Been to adam, sort of the "macdonalds"
of Weed. BC rocks, while the others
read poetry!!!!!!
62 years old, still rockin!!!!!
OLD BUD
Party on BOB Seagar!!!!!!!
Sorry VIC I'm kinda fucked up, OB.
TOPIC - BC Weed
DATE - 00:46:37 6/26/99
FROM - trelaway
Chronic Man--B.C. doesn't grow better weed, just more of it. Ya gotta remember
that killer weed is not what
commercial growers are growing. They grow for volume with short flower
cycles.
Don't be fooled, people here are not representative of yer typical BC cash
cropper. Much of the commercial BC pot is
uncleared hydro stuff cut down every forty-five days by people simply in
it for the $$$$$.
The avenue to decent weed is to know a grower or be one.
TOPIC - hey vic... ? about sweet tooth.
DATE - 22:27:09 6/25/99
FROM - anon
do the sweet tooth you have show the same slow veg. growth rate as grapefruit??
got some sweeties at 30 days...
they're very healthy, but they seem to veg slower than past efforts. just
curious if this is a trait... thanks vic!!
TOPIC - Romberry report.
DATE - 21:31:17 6/25/99
FROM - High Dog
Romberry seeds were purchased from Heavens Stairway in March. Got 57 seedlings
out of 60 seeds. After 8 days of
12/12, have found at least 7 that are growing both male and female flowers.
Whats up with that?
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:30:13 6/25/99
FROM - Vic High
Chronic man - from what I've seen, ww and the original pure romulan are
nothing alike. Alot of the confusion comes
from many growers growing a romulan/ww hybrid and this being their first
experience with romulan, they call it that. I've
noticed that many call seeds they get from me as romulan when they are
all hybrids as well. It gives many false
impressions as to what romulan really is. Yes it can get stinky - so take
precautions.
As for the schwag that is exported to the US, you guys are just going to
have to teach your dealers what quality bud it.
Seriously! Afoaf showed some romulan and romberry to an exporter. They
laughed and said "not a chance! Look at all
the brown hairs!" they turned down very high end product in favour of a
boring cabbage like NL type purely on the fact
that it's pistals were less noticeable. Your importers are outdated and
still thinking of the old red hairs of yesteryear. I
hope my american neighbours aren't offended by my comments, just passing
along what I've heard.
Danbo - good to hear. Hope she holds her own this fall :) Say did you get
the real romberry? Can't remeber what all you
were sent. They would be what they were labelled though. I wish I had the
resources to be playing with your beans, but
unfortunately they are sitting in a friends fridge. Really curious about
your and A1's holyweed.
TOPIC - Chronic Man
DATE - 06:33:29 6/25/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
CMan- Afoaf has grow both WW and Rom, and IMO, they are toatally diffrent,
the one respect that they are alike is
that they are both HQ smoke, now this is comparing "Ingmars" WWidow crosses,
perhaps folks see Rom being like
the "standard" WW strain.
Those of you that have read my dis-satisafaction with HGF's "SuperCrystal"
need to read this. Yesterday af cut down a
small branch of a SC clone at about 40 days of 12/12, this
clone unlike the mother had a great spicy Mango bouquet, and under a 30x
magnifiyer was full of tricomes(probably to
the naked eye as well, but I have bad vision), although not smoked yet,
the apperance and smell are way better then
the mom, and by the looks of things ILL bet the smoke will be much better.
A big lesson was learned about maturing
clones can in some cases, far out do inmature moms, even though after checking
some notes, its clear to see the
original mom was put into flower after alternating phylotaxy(7 weeks).
Gotta give those clones a chance. Im not
retracting my comments about Super Crystal being variable, becuse it is,
but next week I think Ill be retaracting my
comments about potency. Live and Learn... Yall have a great weekend;-)
Peace
TOPIC - Romberry
DATE - 04:59:41 6/25/99
FROM - Danbo
Vic, That Romberry is starting to impress me. It's out
growing with the "Big Girls" and holding her own nicely
at 4 feet.
Cronic,I talked with the distributor at Rainbow Farms, a worm poop dealer.
He said you can use 100% castings without
any worry of fert burns. There is however a % where you won't achieve any
better results. He suggests 10 to 25%
mixture and uses red rock instead of perlite. I would add 10% silicate
sand to reduce surface tension and help with
mold and mildew prevention. D
TOPIC -
DATE - 02:02:13 6/25/99
FROM - t2
you can buy a #5 at most any hardware or wal/k-mart. thats probably not
a bad idea but i would test the box out with
some junk mail first to see if they'd deliver to it. once they're delivering
and used to the idea it should be no problem.if
your fake id is good enuff to fool em up front i think your in the clear
for an anonymous po box
TOPIC - safe po box and letterbox
DATE - 23:45:40 6/24/99
FROM - spud
Howdy. Say if a FOAF wanted to get some seeds but didn't want to get them
sent to his address. Anyway, if you go to
a post office with fake id, do those nosey postal workers have like some
sort of database of citizens where they can
look up the ID code number of your ID (say a drivers licence) to confirm
that that particular ID is legit? I mean, down
here in AUstralia you have to fill in a PO box application from that specifically
asks for the ID number. I'd hate to think
that once you have your box, they wait for you to leave then check all
the details on the filled out form, and if that ID
number didn't match the one on the database, they deam it a fake ID and
thoroughly scan every item of mail that gets
sent to that PO box.
On other possibilities for an address, I came across a unit (what we call
small houses) complex around the corner,
which contains 4 units. Out the front, as always, there is a block of mailboxes.
But in this place, they accidentally built
a 5th mailbox alongside the other 4. But it isn't numbered. I was thinking
of somehow matching the number style and
getting a number 5, sticking it on with superglue, and then simply getting
seeds sent there. What do you reckon?
Where would I start looking for letter box numbers (metal ones in stylish
writing)? And do you think the other residents
will notice, or even care? DO you think maybe if I get them sent to unit
5, but I don't put a number 5 on the unused
letterbox, that the postie will just figure that unit 5 letterbox is just
the last one next to 4 even though it lacks a
number? Is it worth chasing up a number to stick on?
Sorry for the long post.
TOPIC - A few general questions...
DATE - 21:30:33 6/24/99
FROM - chronic man
Well I did a little gazing at a few of the archives here, didn't notice
them before, maybe they were just added. Anyways,
one thing I have noticed, most of you are soil growers. (Organic mainly
so it seems). Thats cool, I haven't really delved
into that yet, am sticking with what works for me. I use Sunshine #4, general
hydro nutes, and
have been adding more and more perlite and worm castings every time. hehe
Is it possible to overdose em with the
castings?? I have been thinking about going with a hydro system, but I've
had such great results with soil, I'm kinda
hesitant. I keep hearing about all the great yields/
quick growing with hydro, so I've kinda decided to try one
of the "do it yourself" aquafarms, just to see what all the fuss is about.
Not trying to start a soil/hydro controversy,
just can't help but wonder.
Vic, I don't know if your tired of my Romberry questions,
but I do have a few more. First of all, is the Romulan similar to a White
Widow??? Maybe you haven't seen White
Widow, I've heard from others that it is similar. Maybe others have some
input on this one?? Also I may have asked
you this before, but I think you may not have answered it.
I've heard that the Romberry is stinky. Is it unbearable,
I mean I've grown stuff that was a security risk before, so
I need to know if I should take precautions.
Also, are alot of you here from B.C?? I get that feeling by reading some
of the earlier posts. I've seen and heard
things about B.C. pot down here in Washington. I've seen
stuff that is like fools gold. It looks great but doesn't do much. I'm
not trying to be an ass, I'm just trying to figure this
out. Have any of you seen any of this stuff up there?? It is a lot cheaper,
and for good reason. I just don't get it. Why
would anyone grow that crap?? Maybe some of you up there know something
about this, maybe not. It just seems to
keep popping up in conversations, and I've been wondering. Again I'm not
trying to start shit.....
P.S. Sorry about the long post...
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC -
DATE - 20:05:44 6/24/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey chronic man - I just had my blinders on, haha and just assumed that
shishkaberry was from SOL. It will be
interesting to hear how they turn out. Cash Crop Ken is a new source isn't
it? Haven't heard too much about that
breeder yet. Hope he does as well as Federation seems to be doing. Well
best of luck on both.
TOPIC - puna butter
DATE - 18:36:57 6/24/99
FROM - pi
have puna butter in veg now
used sensasoak and only got 4 to germinate but i am sure i have one fem already
have more that i am gonna germ but no more room at present.
will keep ya'll posted
TOPIC - Original Hawaiian
DATE - 17:21:50 6/24/99
FROM - Mr. Greengenes
Eric >>>> I too am interested in horsetrading. Your description of the
original Hawaiian brought back some fond
memories from the '70s. Those were the days of AWESOME sativas....Puna
Butter, Maui Wowee, Kauai Electric,
Molokai Madness, Waimea Wipeout, Maui Mango Hash, etc. I'm drooling just
thinking about it. I would love to trade
some beans. Email me at above addy.
TOPIC - Shishkaberry
DATE - 16:57:21 6/24/99
FROM - chronic man
I'm not sure what the deal was with Marc, but I got the seeds. I think
he has two different sources. I got mine from
Cash Crops Sens seeds. I think the Vancouver Island Seed company also carries
the Shisk, but it's called Blueberry x
Afghani there. Which is actually what the strain is. Have you checked out
Marc's website lately?? If not I'm sure you'll
find it there.
I'm very interested to see how the Romberry and the Shiskaberry turn out.
I've been really happy with the White Widow
from Dutch Passion, but like I said earlier, the Blueberry from them looks
like a small yielder. I'm wondering if I have the
real Blueberry. I saw a picture
over at Cannabis.com of a BB plant and it looks completely different than
mine. Check it out over there, it's in the
binary section. Tell me if you think it looks like the BB
that youve had. I guess it looks kinda similar, just not
exactly the same. The leaves look really wide, kind of like an Afghani
looks. Maybe I'm wrong. It'll be the very first
time....LOL
CYA
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - just wandering
DATE - 16:39:17 6/24/99
FROM - ShareCropper
Wacky1
This was a question I posed that was never answered, whether Bone Meal
has a quick enough compost time to be of
much benefit in the average veg/flower cycle. Most of the literature I
have read states that Bone mealís availability is
MODERATE. Meaning that it takes longer to compost to a form where it can
be assimilated by the plant. Exactly how
long is MODERATE! This is fine if you plan on reusing your soil for another
and another and so on crop. Guanoís are
RAPID. Therefore it nutrients can be used by the plant almost immediately.
Oldtimer1 alluded to this and even
suggested the use of Bone Flour which is a very fine, and therefore perhaps
has a more rapid compost time. I looked
for Bone flour only to get a lot of blank stares and perhaps even tipped
off the clerk as to what I was up to. I would stick
with Guanoís. Seems to raise fewer eyebrows. Also, check out WEEDBASE and
search for a post by Elvis A. Presley,
itís a soil mix that uses both the Bone and Guano.
Eric
Back in í76 my brother was stationed in Hawaii and on one of his trips
back home brought some ìMAUI WOWIEî. I
was still in HS at the time and $10 five finger bags of Michoacan and Oaxacan,
were the main stay. He gave me like 5
grams for I think it was a Boston concert and man, made my ears RING, not
the concert, the Hawaiian. One of the
best highs. That was a lot of years ago but it DEFINATLY left an impression.
Chronic man
Remember Operation Green Sweep. Take a TAXI or BUS folks. Itís still not legal!
SC
TOPIC - Does anybody remember if "Northwest Lighting"
DATE - 15:29:09 6/24/99
FROM - is a BUST"????????
Their in Minnesota,
Thanx!
TOPIC -
DATE - 11:48:57 6/24/99
FROM - Vic High
Mofo - take it to cannabis.com, this isn't a suitable place to asking about
seedbanks.
KQ & BD - please get in touch at bcga@mailcity.com
TOPIC - New Grower
DATE - 10:01:54 6/24/99
FROM - Mofo
I would like to know if buying seeds from the internet is worth it. If,
so then what are good prices for these seeds and
any possible good sites for this. I found a reall y good one but donw really
know if its safe. The name is Hempseed
cybershop. just reply
TOPIC - shiskbaberry
DATE - 18:37:02 6/23/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey Chronic man? I thought I remember reading from Emery that he no longer
carried SOL strains and also that
Shiskaberry was no longer available? What's your secret? Got a couple of
friends interested in getting their hands on
some of those seeds.
TOPIC - Green gardens..
DATE - 17:06:00 6/23/99
FROM - chronic man
The grow shop in Bellevue, near Seattle, has been writing down license
plate numbers. A friend of mine got busted
about 6 months ago... he found out thats how it happened.
So don't even go there. I went there a few times with someone elses car,
(thank god), but I know I'll NEVER be back.
I did get some seeds from Marc Emery last week, Shiskaberry,
and they got here in 10 days. Pretty quick. Also I got some Romberry from
Heavens Stairway, and they got here in 11
days. So far the Shiskaberry seeds have sprouted after using the paper
towel method to germitate them. And it's only
been 24 hours!! Pretty amazing...never had any seeds sprout that quick...from
what I've read over at Weedbase and
other sites, the Shisk is a pretty hardy plant, but is prone to go
hermie. I hope not..Anyone have any experience with the Shisk??
Also I've been trying to put together one of those
"aqua farms", made by General Hydro. Someone gave me the
link to a website that shows how to make one yourself.
(http://www.ns.net/~bennu/farmplan.html). Aquafarm Ill try to link it...Looks
cool so far,Anyone have any info or
experiences with these??
TIA
cHrOnIc man
Link: Aquafarm
TOPIC - newbie
DATE - 14:49:57 6/23/99
FROM - pi
this is not the place to ask newbie questions but here are 3 links that
will get to going. read and lurk read and lurk.
http://www.lycaeum.org/~npkaye/
http://www.lycaeum.org/~npkaye/resources.html
http://www.laughing-moon.com/
btw, do not waste your money on a phototron. go to these 2 sites and you
will get better advice on equipment to suite
your needs.
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:34:07 6/23/99
FROM - Newbie grower
I am a new grower and was thinking about investing in something called
the Phototron or one of those machines that
grows pot. If anyone can help me just reply. Thnx
TOPIC - indicaa
DATE - 10:40:08 6/23/99
FROM - pi
alternating leaves indicate maturity
preflowers if differentiated will help you determine sex
TOPIC - thanks old timer
DATE - 09:20:05 6/23/99
FROM - terrytune
it worked i cut new clones off my budding plants and they are all doing
fine already about 14 inches not to bad i think
for the weather weve had also the budding plants are just coming back into
veg double bonus point thank you very
much for your advice on my problem it seems to be working perfectly to
vic high i also took your advice and signed up
for english 12 this fall still hoping for sun regards terrytune
TOPIC -
DATE - 00:55:40 6/23/99
FROM - Ashley Hayes
By the way my email is ashleyhayes69@hotmail.com
Sorry!!!
Love,
Ashley
TOPIC - Let's smoke out!
DATE - 00:54:13 6/23/99
FROM - Ashley Hayes
Hey! I just found out about this cool website tonight! It's so cool! I
LOVE to smoke the herb! I do at least once day! I
live in a little town called Winfield in Alabama! Most everyone who lives
here smokes! I would love to chat with some of
you!! Anybody who would like to...then just email me sometime soon!!!
Love,
Ashley
TOPIC - Pre-flower question
DATE - 23:47:16 6/22/99
FROM - indicaa
Do pre-flowers indicate a plants sexual maturity?
I have 4 AK-47 seedling which are 6 weeks old and two of them are showing
their sex already, the other two are also
starting to show signs as well. Would it be ok to start flowering them,
or should I wait until they show signs of alternate
phylotaxy.
Thanks
indicaa
TOPIC - Hawaii
DATE - 17:08:41 6/22/99
FROM - Danbo
Eric, Are you in the states or Canada. Please me,
don't tease me. Wanna do some horsetrading? My email
is above. I have a friend in Hawaii that would
probably want to inject it back into the Kona Gold
of yesteryear.
TOPIC - little black bugs
DATE - 14:51:15 6/22/99
FROM - eddie
does anyone know what those little black bugs that are on your plants because
there killing my sprouts what insect
repel do i use
TOPIC - ORIGINAL HAWIIAN
DATE - 14:25:39 6/22/99
FROM - Eric
hey folks...
just wanted to say hi and to tell you guys that remember me talking about
the original hawiian i got from a breeder from
there is the absolute BEST smelling pot i have ever in my life been around..it
is absolutly wonderful..I have c99 going
right now and it has nothing in the aroma area even close to this hawiian
(not a flame just a comparison as i know that
lots of you guys are growing c99 now)
It is a lemony smell that is just freakin wonderful to smell..VERY VERY
fruity..very strong comp[ared to c99, niagra,
huron, super skunk, flo or any of the "no name" brands i have...it is so
much more fragrant than the norm. it is all fruity
with NO undertone.
potentcy samples of this strain were VERY GOOD there were only three smaples
taken from three seperate smokers
and this is the results.
My sample was one toke from a hand made one hitter sample pipe made from
blood stone (pipe made by Touches
Earth the native american medicine man that i got the seeds from (he got
them from a grower from hawiia)
I took one toke and KNEW I had taken a hit. about 3 minutes later it kicked
in...it was a nice very visual high..no
paranoia..the high was NOT a body..but a head high...I couldnt keep my
eyes focused or my thoughts..i say a happy
high. Very nice, I can only wait for the crop to come off this fall.
Touches Earth..says that it is everything he remebers hawiian to be and is impressed with it.
Josh..had been drinking a bit (we were around a camp fire drinkin beer
and shootin the breeze when i got the
samples(which by the way were imature buds) josh took one hit and threw
up..HAHAHA..no shit.....tha boy tossed his
cookies
these buds were imature...taken off the branch and put on top of a light
bulb until dry enough to smoke. This crop was
strictly a seed crop as now me have SEVERAL SEVERAL hundred of the pure
and of crossses with the other hawiian
that is defintly a LONGER flowerer.
this is good stuff..see ya folks.
TOPIC - Quantum ponics
DATE - 13:23:13 6/22/99
FROM - søren
High there
is there any one (try the Quantum Ponics)
TOPIC - Older Strains
DATE - 07:38:00 6/22/99
FROM - Curious George
pi: Nobody that I'm aware of ever bothered to save any Columbian seeds.
They just took too long to develop in a
Northern climate. Besides, after the first flush of "goodie", succeeding
harvests of Columbian got worse and worse.
There was plenty of "mersh", and tons of useless seeds in every single
bale.
Before the advent of Indica, Mexican seed was the only game in town, and
even then it was a crap shoot. Remember,
almost all of the growing prior to the mid-70's was of seeded herb. The
Sensi / Hawiian thing hadn't happened yet, and
big, long, thick, bushy, seeded, tops were what was grown both for personal
stash and as a cash crop.
When the first skunky indica's arrived, they were similar, if not identical,
to Afgani #1. About 3 ft. tall at maturity with a
woody stem and one main cola. The seeds were huge, about 5X the size of
a sativa, with a prounounced ridge and a
very long germination time.
It's been said that Columbian seeds grown in Mexico for commercial export
have diluted many of the traditional regional
Mexican strains. There is no doubt when viewing random samples of bagweed
that Indica strains have been brought to
Mexico as well. That prounounced Indica ridge on the seeds is a dead giveaway.
Most of the older seed stocks that have been saved and carried forward
from that time are hybrids of Afgani Indica and
Mexican. Some are nifty, many are not. Due to the problems inherent in
outdoor growing, the "breeding" back then was
haphazard at best, and most of the saved seeds that people have tucked
away are really "suprise" bags. There's no
telling how they will grow.
The seedlings can be dark & vigorous, with wide Indica leaves, and
still mature into sparkling tops with no punch at all.
Had some recently, grown from old, saved, seeds, that was worse than schwag.
Looked fine, smelled fine, but nearly
zip in the buzz department. Maybe some ditch-weed pollen was responsible,
or maybe it's just a natural variation.
Either way, it might not be worth it to re-invent the wheel using these
old strains unless you have a lot of time and
patience, ( or can find some where the hybrid traits have been stabilized
).
TOPIC - nada, whitey cassell's, robert
DATE - 06:38:26 6/22/99
FROM - 180
nada, yep, late flowers. i think sodium lighting encourages this a bit
(anecdotal evidence).
i like to keep flowering males around vegging clones, to pollinate the
pre-flowers on the clones. that way you get a
small number of mature seeds in easy-to-find single pre-flowers along the
stems, rather than seeds in the (sinse) buds,
perhaps hidden inside...
hey pi, don't they have "rat burgers" (aka "sliders") all over the midwest?
maaaaaan, talk about a weird place to visit
while stoned (bright white-and-stainless-steel all around inducing claustrophobia,
weird folks inducing paranoia,
hehe)...freaky.
robert, go back and explore the www.hempqc.com (heaven's stairway) website.
the "seeds" link should have the info
you need.
peace
TOPIC - 180
DATE - 21:29:20 6/21/99
FROM - nada
The seeds didnt look mature, there were few and on a smaller lower bud,
seemed localized since only one bud had
any seed. Strain is fair and not keeping her anyway, but Ill make sure
to keep the few I find when I find em..
thanks
TOPIC - buying
DATE - 20:34:51 6/21/99
FROM - robert
how many seeds do you recieve per order? Do you have clones?
TOPIC - super soil mix?
DATE - 19:22:16 6/21/99
FROM - wacky1
Greetings,A friend has some plants in 5gal pots with vic's super soil mix,The
plants are almost 1 week into the
flowering cycle are very healthly and show no signs of any nutrient deficiencys.In
vic's soil mix it mentions a bat gauno
top dressing a week into the flowering cycle.My question is since this
complete soil mix provides enough nutrients get
the plants through the flowering cycle...Would the addition of the high
phosphorus guano during flowering be just a
waste of money.
TOPIC - piss test
DATE - 17:55:02 6/21/99
FROM - guy
This is the best site I have found on the subject, by far!
If you have to do stress over smoking this helps.
If you smoke every day the only way to expect to pass a piss test is to
carry clean urine with you whenever a test is
possible!
guy
Link:
TOPIC -
DATE - 17:25:37 6/21/99
FROM - H.C.
The jack herrer is really a fine marijuana plant.
A little difficult to grow; but worth it.
TOPIC - super soil mix?
DATE - 17:04:34 6/21/99
FROM - wacky1
Greetings,a friend has some plants in 5 gal pots with vic,s super soil
mix and have been flowering almost a week.The
plants look very healthly and show no nutrient deficiencys.I noticed that
it mentioned bat gauno for a top dressing a
week into flowering.Would this be a waste of time since all the nutrients
the plant can use are provided already in
mix?Has anyone added this during flowering and was there any noticeable
difference.
TOPIC - piss test
DATE - 17:00:56 6/21/99
FROM - guy
The main thing is dilution.
Go to the store and buy some B complex vitamins. if it is timed release,
chew it up. this colors the urine so it doesn't
look like water.
eat one or two about 1 hour before the test.
Get up early tommorrow. Drink coffee, soda, cranberry juice, etc.
If you know about what time you will take it tommorrow then drink a half
to full gallon within about 1 to 2 hours before
the test.
When you are giving the sample let the first part of the stream go in the
toilet. Give them their 60ml and a little more.
Then let the rest go in the toilet.
the surest way is to carry a clean sample in your crotch area if possible.
Hope it helps
It has worked for me TWICE with no notice.
guy
TOPIC - Vic
DATE - 16:52:34 6/21/99
FROM - sb
I noticed on your that you guys have willy jack's
JH x Williams wonder. Have you grown this one?
I grew these seeds in a mix(accident) and believe I have this strain as
a mom now...I really dig it!
Frostiest plant I've ever grown and kinda taste like juicy fruit to me...I'm
just curious
Also what feedback if any have you had on the chemo x ? ?
I was just digging thru the toolbox and found these forgotten gems (Ihope)
TOPIC - cg / light rail
DATE - 16:35:37 6/21/99
FROM - pi
Gorgeous George>>> being old and cranky your not Gorgeous George the rassler
in cognito are you??? good to see
you do not take yourself toooooo seriously and you have a sense of humor.
we are laughing WITH YOU not at you.
heh. must be from near buckeyland to mention White Castle.
so what kind of strains you got? you can tell us that can't you? have connections
to any of the old strains of the 60's
and 70's???? some columbian hash bud would taste mighty good right now.
light rail>>> had an idea re light rail on how to make it both rotate and
move linearly .... maybe. have never seen one in
person but i would think adding a rack and a pinion gear with shaft to
the rail would allow for getting both motions. just
a thought?????
TOPIC - george
DATE - 16:12:25 6/21/99
FROM - 180
hey george, that was an excellent post. i also have trouble reining myself
in at times. i don't think you need to lurk,
unless you choose to. you obviously have useful things to contribute, and
as vic says, "FEED ME SEYMOUR".
KQ you have email.
nada, on the subject of "late herms" and the few seeds: although there
seems to be a universal hatred and fear of
hermaphrodite plants among growers, the fact is that almost ANY strain
will throw a few male flowers occasionally. not
alot, just a few, more on some strains than others. skunk#1 is an example:
many male flowers may show, even mixed
in with the females in buds. they may or may not be viable. you may or
may not get seeds.
you can learn alot from the seeds themselves: were they immature or fully
developed? where in the bud did you find
them? did you find any male flowers on the plant?
if the seeds were at the base of the buds, inside, and fully matured, then
they got pollinated early, and so on...
if you can figure out where the pollen came from, you might want to save
those seeds. hell, you might want to save
them anyway: kong "selfed" F2's, all female...
peace
TOPIC - "Once more into the breach ... "
DATE - 15:08:43 6/21/99
FROM - Curious George
I have neither the time or inclination to respond to every percieved slight
or lapse of internet posting manners. This will
have to do for now.
sb: I doubt very much that you know me, or vice versa. I'm afraid that
the BS is part of the package, and my best efforts
to be "nice" are often not sufficient. It seems that even a hint of sarcasm
in verbotten in this "reality".
pi: Funny stuff. I had to laugh. Maybe we can get a development deal from White Castle?
Danbo: The soap bit is a good thing, a few drops per gallon every once
in a while. Your home-brew recipe is like a Jerry
Baker trip, and will work.
The Fish Emulsion treatment evidently doesn't produce hermie's unless it's
overdone.
I appreciate all the breeding concern, but my motivation in bringing up
the subject of "all females" in the first place
came from reading several posts elsewhere online whining about getting
many hermies and high %'s of male plants
when using some seed-bank products.
KQ: Have never heard of using methanol vapors, and would be most hesitant
to do so. Somebody else will have to
research that one. I don't mess with poisons anymore.
Grow tricks should be both simple and effective and, hopefully, applicable
to both indoor and outdoor spaces.
Budm: Yeah, the golden rule is a good one, and it's just so easy to be
reactive when being flamed. Thanks for the
reminder.
Numero 180: True, the CO bit Is innatural. But, I only revealed the method
in response to being flamed for witholding it
in the first place, and never seriously suggested that anyone actually
try it. The high N fertilizer method was what I
described First! The mention of the other, dangerous, method was included
as an afterthought, and not intended as a
"tease". As I said previously, I tried it, and I got sick. If anyone wants
to ignore the warning, that's tough.
It's been 20 or so years since I first read that research paper, ( on microfilm
) but I don't recall any ill effects being
ascribed to the plants after the CO treatment. Evidently the plants can
"breathe" it without much difficulty, at least for a
while. The same can't be said for the rest of us.
The large plants we treated with CO some years ago certainly suffered no
ill effects, but they didn't all go female either.
Probably much too late in their cycle to make a difference.
I'm all for "natural" methods, which is one reason I have No interest in
Hydro growing.
Cheap and effective methods are often the best. If you can't put it in
a backpack and haul it through the dismal swamp,
it's probably not worth the hassle in the first place.
Vic: Maybe I should lurk for a while so we can all cool off. As I've said
previously, I'm not a techie, and have only the
slighest interest in internet "manners". I'm old and cranky and have very
few, if any, "humble opinions".
I suspect that very few of the posters here and elsewhere online have any
appreciation for what the herb pioneers had
to go through. How many holes can they clear, dig, fertilize, and plant,
in a day? How far can they carry 10 gallons of
water? How many trips up and down hill before they keel over?
Yeah, I know this sounds "elitist", but in many respects this was, and
is, a war, and many of us who have gone
through the flames have been hardened by the experience.
Ciao.
TOPIC - Test!
DATE - 14:19:34 6/21/99
FROM - Danbo
Admire, Better make it 2 gallons of Draino. It takes 3 to
6 weeks to clean your system. Goodluck!
TOPIC - Weed
DATE - 13:58:51 6/21/99
FROM - admire
Eh, Can some one tell me, if I drink about 2 gallons of water, will that
clean my system out so I can pass adrug test
tomorrow?
TOPIC - Lil F'ers
DATE - 13:45:10 6/21/99
FROM - Danbo
Nada , It's been my experience , if you had a hermie pop
you'd have more seeds. Maybe you pulled some stray pollen in on your clothes.
If the seed was mature , you couldn't
have just happened at the end. I've grown many Kong and they
don't seem to herm easily.
TOPIC - late herm...will cuts be 'late' too?
DATE - 13:41:09 6/21/99
FROM - nada
Hey all-
Not much of a poster, but wanted some feedback on this one....
Recently harvested a few kong crosses and up till the other day there had
been no sign of a herm, however last night I
found 5 seeds in one of the buds. I am assuming that one of the 3 plants
hermed really late since there was so little
polination and had little effect on the flower development.
I have cuts outdoors, at least one of them is from the doner that hermed
but the bud is all mixed together and I am not
sure which one it is from. I understand that the cut from the herm will
herm just as the doner did, however, will it herm
late into flowering as the doner did?
how identical to the doner will it be?
thanks much
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:57:48 6/21/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Sorry about this Vic I won't post any more about it after this one :-A
small update our government has said the usual
thing it a gateway drug. Which has prompted the Scottish health education
board to respond with a statement saying
that the government is talking rubbish that cannabis is relatively harmless
and that its the governments policies that
are making the problem. In that by making such a big thing about cannabis
when people try it and find its affects quite
mild and pleasant that they then disbelieve what they say about all the
other drugs. The Police of course are dead
against it. Which has prompted the SCLIA to comment that statistically
the police use smokers as a soft target to
boost there arrest figures whenever they are a bit low instead of taking
on the task of tackling real crime. I just love this
the shit is really in the fan. The Gov is trying to keep a blanket on the
TV Co's but the BBC radio have been covering it
by the hour all day.
TOPIC - sorry offtopic Vic, but....Pi, you funny bro
DATE - 11:17:51 6/21/99
FROM - sb
Pi
Thanks Loads! Now, when can you come by and clean the coffee off of my
screen and keyboard?
PS: I may have the round room in the works...checking on materials and
playing with numbers today.
Curious G
Do I know you?
I swear that I recognize a character trait!haha! keep that info pumpin'
sans BS please. I love the info even if it is
irrelevent due to it's impracticality
TOPIC - kq
DATE - 10:45:50 6/21/99
FROM - pi
i covered that base i think. note that i said that the methane gas was
converted to methanol for use on your plants.
hehehe
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:42:02 6/21/99
FROM - KQ
Pi that is pricless!! Sent me for a good 2 minute chuckle! But it is the
alchohol called methanol--it has one more
Oxygen atom than methane, the cow fart. So if methanol could have effects
on plant growth, possible ethanol could.
That goes by the name of booze.
TOPIC - i figured out George's secret..... heh
DATE - 10:38:45 6/21/99
FROM - pi
thanks kumquat for your clue..... methanal. as in cow farts.
george has come up with an idea to bag cow farts (methane). he has patented
the first George's Fart Catcher made
from ....
you guessed it ... hemp. leaving no stone unturned left George with the
idea of letting the cows process the hemp via
digestion than making fart catchers from the now processed hemp.
For only $29.95 (3 easy payments of $10.983333333) you too can catch cow
farts and convert it to methanol for use on
your plants by getting your very own
George's Fart Catcher (patent pending) for 3 easy payments.
Buy NOW!
;0)
TOPIC - all female seedlings
DATE - 09:40:03 6/21/99
FROM - KQ
I suppose the deal with CO and all female seedlings would be very fine
if you just wanted buds, but I would never
consider breeding with them. For breeding you would want every last Y gene
to rear its ugly little head--so plant in
shallow pots, give wierd lighting shcedule, low nitrogen, high temps, throw
in some ozone for good measure, and if all
else fails, spray with giberrellate. Only then, look for the female that
has no pollen. That would be closer to a good
breeding mama.
180==> very good humor there. As concerns your spinach weed, it'll toke
just fine or you can blame me for it [8^)...you
have email!
Curious George, have you ever heard of methanol vapors being good for plants?
Some scientist in California has had
dramatic growth increases with plants exposed to low levels.
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:32:07 6/21/99
FROM - Vic High
KQ - thanks my friend :)
OT - that is great news! Definately a step ahead of the various "medical use" initiatives here in NA.
180 - I respectfully disagree a bit on how useful the info needs to be.
I just love the info "FEED ME SEYMOUR!" haha.
It may not be practical in the way it's presented but it would enhance
our understanding of the plants in general. Maybe
in time, as our understanding increases, we will find a practical use for
the info.
HC - I have come across those impotent males from time to time. I usually
just ditch them, thinking it is genetics.
However, I've had males that would freeely drop their load on one crop
and then withhold it on another. This leaves me
to believe it is an environmental or health responce instead. I still have
much to learn about male selection, haha
TOPIC - Wetting Agents
DATE - 06:41:19 6/21/99
FROM - Danbo
I've been using Coco wet for years along with Spray n Grow.
I don't use it in soil application. It can and will
increase the efficiency of your plants ability to take up the available
nutes though. Using soap not only works
as a surficant but also a chealating agent. Just a couple drops though.
Another way to change drainage habits while improving your plants uptake
and your soils tension is to use a sylicate
sand in your mix. I heard tell this is a prevention
for powdery mildew as well.
One beer, one coke , and a cup of household ammonnia.
Put it in a hose end sprayer and watch your lawn green up.
It's true Jay. It's an old fashion cure all. It's like buttermilk and wheat
flour to repell mites. It does work.
George, All the practical study does no good unless
in practice. All forcing female plants do,IMHO,is increase
your chance of a herman. Less crowding and favorable
conditions are still the best criteria for female plants
that'll stay that way.
TOPIC -
DATE - 06:33:49 6/21/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
CGeorge- I have a bit of experience in the water softening business, and
the one thing that comes to mind that
changes the "ionic bonds" of water is Rock salt the sodium ion works in
the machine to preciptate ion exchange in the
filter medium. Could you be thinking of sodium as a wetting agent? Because
if anyones ever taking a shower with soft
water from a "complete house softner system" you come out of the shower
feeling slippery as the water sort-of-sticks
to the skin, its feels like a weting agent has been applied to the skin.Well
I dont know maybe Im just a "youngster" I
am a newcommer to gardening, and out of respect for Vic Ill bite my virtual
tounge, and refrain from further comments.
If you want to be apart of somthing larger than yourself, these are IMO
the nicest folks to do that with on the WWW,
but as in all things in life , the "golden rule" applies
here also.
OT1- That is great news, I wonder what countries desision to decrim/legalize
will be the perverbial "Shot heard around
the world", and start the "domino affect" that is needed for global change?
Have a gret week all.
Peace
TOPIC - arguing against extreme measures
DATE - 05:02:22 6/21/99
FROM - numerologist 180
okay, so total immersion in pure CO "supposedly" resets the sex of the
plants to all female. great!
here's a tidbit for ya george: a round trip to mars will do the same thing!
put all your seeds in a spacecraft, presto: all
female, hooray!! and you can now thank me on bended knee (or with lots
of money).
okay, so your sarcastic rudeness to kumquat (who is no slouch in the brains
or experience department) elicited more
sarcasm. my humble apologies...
we've all heard claims, and we all know how to produce all-female crops
by less dangerous and costly means (forcing
hermaphrodism). the question i ALWAYS ask is, is this something the plant
might encounter in a "natural"
environment???? with the pure CO gassing, the answer is a resounding "NO"!
and you failed to report on the survival rate of the gassed plants, and
on the quality of their finished product: a bunch of
sickly females that have been exposed to a hostile (toxic, mutagenic) environment
are not what we look for here, we
want healthy plants with good phenotypic expression of their inherited
traits...
incidentally, a russian study showed that the sex ratio could be positively
affected (more females) simply by giving the
plants adequate soil depth (root space) after germination.
other processes have also achieved noteworthy results: i believe there
was someone reporting that high-N foliars on
seedlings brought his ratio to 80% female. of course that was anecdotal...
george, we need practical, safe, real-world techniques that can be used
in the hobby grow as well as on a larger scale.
and we need them here and now, for free: that's the purpose of this board,
to disseminate quality info free of charge or
commercial entanglements....
peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 04:30:47 6/21/99
FROM - oldtimer1
A bit of hot news The Scottish Medical Association have today called for
marijuana to be legalised for both medical and
recreational use! One of the things they said is that it is ludicrous that
something as harmless as marijuana should
illegal especialy when compared with alcohol. This should really put the
cat among the pigeons haha!
TOPIC -
DATE - 03:52:30 6/21/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Hi H.C. Nice to see you here! JH is supposed to be a sativa dominant hybrid
and difficult to grow. From the small
sample I've germinated its easy to grow but very variable mainly tall sat
also a short sat and an indica form. The sat
vars smell just like fresh thai very nice indeed. The indica just smells
a bit fruity and went a little hermy dam it.
TOPIC - Oil over troubled waters...
DATE - 03:02:43 6/21/99
FROM - KQ
No problem Vic, I just had to register my dissatisfaction somehow. It will
not lead to any sort of escalation, believe me!
Thanks to George for the monoxide twist. (You seem to be able to ferret
out cutting edge stuff and I admire that. But it
would serve our cause better if the info was made available for all of
us to "overgrow the goverment".) I am not positive it
would take a pure atmosphere of CO to accomplish this. I've been thinking
about pure gas environments lately, George,
and I think I can add a somewhat new dimension here. I was wondering how
to make a pure gaseous environment, and
here is what I came up with: Just flush and ventilate about three times,
that would dilute any air sufficiently. Or wrap the
rootball in plastic, fill the chamber with water, then pipe in gas as the
water drains out.
One thing you didn't say was a what growth stage it worked best with CO.
My guess is seedlings, but, I don't have the
botanical abstract resources that you do. Maybe you would like to *share*
the link with your group? also, how long was
the treatment, how often? I find it pretty wild that CO would turn a ready-to-flower-male-plant
into a female, but life is full
of suprises!
On the topic of CO as a gas, I got poisoned once drilling holes in the
ground with a 2-man auger, gasoline powered.
We worked at it all day and put in 100 14 inch holes into some very hard
but rich soil. I had to drive home that evening
and I kept falling asleep uncontrollably on the road. Just thought I was
super tired, but my bro, who didn't have to drive
had the same condition. I do remember that we sniffed quite a few fumes
during that drilling. So I guess I got some CO
poisoning.
Any one here ever gander at the old popular science and popular mechanics
magazines from around the turn of the
century? Well, I used to frequent a library with the whole collection and
it is just fascinating what these oldtimers could
do. It seems that there were very few restrictions as to what a tinkerer
could buy. If I needed some wierd chems or
gasses in that era, someone in town could get it for me and it would be
up to me not to kill myself. Now we have a
climate where nobody is responsible for their own behavior and it is our
insidious gov't that is creeping in to protect us
from ourselves. I highly resent this! So naturly, when I find someone trying
to protect me from myself, the rebel in me
gets triggered!
TOPIC -
DATE - 02:23:46 6/21/99
FROM - H.C.
HIGH:
People of the BONG. Pervayors of the good herb.
Thanks Ot1 for your timely e-mail. I was beginning to get that feeling
of isolation again. The info. on the flowering time
of jh confirmed what I had hoped wasent true. Its almost identical to ww.
I was really hopeing for a much shorter period
but it looks like all 3 will come in at about the same time.Makes for a
very hectic harvest to say the least.
All I have to say about it; is, its the strangeist plant I have ever grown
but the nicest smelling that have ever come in
contact with.Makes my mouth water just thinking of it.
T2
Got over that little incident with mama but did have to make some real
heavy promises that I must keep. Hell, what
else could I do. They didnt fit the decorum but I had no other choice.
By the way Ot1; I had a real difficult time getting any polen froh the
jh. Not very much and appeared to resent giving it
up. Hopefully there was enough to go arround
I had allways kinda thought that jack herer was an indutca but could I
be wrong?
chow
TOPIC -
DATE - 22:50:10 6/20/99
FROM - t2
high dog thats all i've seen about it so far
TOPIC -
DATE - 20:56:48 6/20/99
FROM - Vic High
George - your posts are slowly becoming less and less welcome. All others
were saying is that why bring it up if you
are not going to share. If you want to keep a secret, then fine, keep it.
But how about laying off the dangling carrots will
ya? KQ, please don't give George the responce he deserves.
George, this is no secret, but I think it's only fair to warn you that
this place keeps a detailed log of those that post
here. Please chill.
TOPIC - Here you go KQ ... enjoy!
DATE - 17:36:55 6/20/99
FROM - Curious George
OK youngster ...
Since you evidently don't have the inclination to get off your butt and
search the botanical abstracts, here's how
researchers reported treating seedlings to cause 100% female plants.
They had the plants in a small, enclosed, area that was airtight. Then,
for a period of several hours, they flooded the
plants with an atmosphere of pure Carbon Monoxide. That's CO, not CO2,
and it will be quite unpleasant if you get a
whiff of it. Of course, you won't even Know you've gotten a snootfull until
you have already been exposed and are feeling
sick since CO has No Odor!
So, run on down to your local scientific / medical gas supply house and
order yourself a big-old tank of Carbon
Monoxide, hook up the regulator and try to figure out how you're going
to remove the room air from the plants, how
you're going to know when the chamber is saturated with CO, how your going
to contain the CO once it's in there, how
your going to completely vent it, and how you're going to avoid gassing
the neighbors and their household pets.
Think it's worth the hassle? Think it's worth the risk? Think it's worth the expense? Think again.
So, in the future, please don't get your shorts in a knot. If I didn't
have the experience, I wouldn't have brought it up. I
First described the Safe way to try to achieve the same result. You've
got no reason to whine
As for the "wetting agent" bit, the compound I mentioned is not marketed
in gardening stores, and the phrase "wetting
agent" does not appear on the label or in any of the company literature.
It's been said that it changes the ionic bonds of
water. Does that ring a bell? Probably not.
As for your idignation over a possible "commercial" venture, get bent.
It is indeed unfortunate that people in Western
culture do not place a high value on things that they can get for free.
They trust and value things that are purchased. No
need to go into the psychology of it here, but if I can spread the word
and get paid for it, it needn't be any of your
concern. I'm giving away my experience, here but have little inclination
to give it All away.
If the commercial bit doesn't work out, I'll blab it here. In the meantime,
figure it out for yourself, buy my book, or wait a
while longer.
TOPIC - KQ
DATE - 11:04:10 6/20/99
FROM - 180
duh, hey man, i poured scalding water on my plants (figured i'd hit the
tops too, while i was at it), and now they're all
wilty and like blanched spinach an' chit! I hold YOU personally responsible,
LOL!
seriously though: afm used to water outdoor plants with warm water (~90
F) during the cold days at the end of the
season (this was back before he found some good early genetics, working
with mexican seed.). tried any trick you
could think of to get the plants warmed up as soon as there was sunshine,
because even with good sun, the plant
really can't do much until the soil temp gets above 65 F. when your daytime
temps only go into the 60's, the root mass
may never get above 60, leading to poor h2o/nutrient uptake, and basically
shutting the plants down...
i use fairly cool water during hot temps. root zones should stay in the
70-75 F range (according to charts in the old Ed
books, and common sense). cooler water also holds more dissolved oxygen,
better aerating roots...
peace
TOPIC - hay yu! HA!
DATE - 10:45:51 6/20/99
FROM - 180
hey perp :-)
TOPIC - That and this....
DATE - 10:38:23 6/20/99
FROM - KQ.
Whoever wants a simple soil wetting method try this: Very warm to hot water.
Depends on if your soil is cold or not.
Nothing brightens a cold root system than some warm nutrient! (in soil)
I've also noticed that warm/hot liquids will
thoroughly wet dry problem soils. Seems like after you get the moisture
in a time or two, it doesnt get so dry like it
was at first. Also, the roots metabolism really picks up. I can do this
because I know what I can get away with, but I
can here some newbie saying he's fried his roots cuz he was using boiling
water!
Hey Curious George, I bet i'm not the only one here getting a little weary
of your "I'll tell you later" and "can't tell you
now" type of posts. You could get valuable feedback on your ideas if you
post them, maybe a spin that you never
thought of and could really help you. That is what we are all here for,
helping each other. Some of your posts take up
close to a foot of my screen and give nothing more than hints that you
are going to try to make a commercial killing
(greed: pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered) off of some idea, or you are
trying to protect us from ourselves. Now don't be
like Al Gore!!!
There are people on this board that have forgotten more than some of us
have ever learned! Take advantage of their
experience!
TOPIC - Green Gardens
DATE - 09:50:33 6/20/99
FROM - High Dog
I have purchased halide bulbs from them in person, but not mail order.
Who/what is ENTF? I hope they are not taking
down license plate numbers. Any additional information would be appreciated.
Thanks
High Dog
TOPIC - Hmmm, Gee....could it be....
DATE - 07:43:42 6/20/99
FROM - Perp
....."ALL" brand liquid detergent???? ....I-duh-no!.....
TOPIC - curious george, clarification
DATE - 06:12:29 6/20/99
FROM - 54
no offense george, but your tease did me no good, as i already know plenty
about wetting agents, and as vic says
there are a slew of them on the market.
my interest was in hearing others' experience USING ORGANIC WETTING AGENTS
AVAILABLE CHEAPLY OR IN
THE HOME (not some product you might want to sell me in a couple of years,
#@%&!).
i've used soap, but i'm looking for something that will degrade faster,
or even be "nutritious" to the plants in foliar or
drench applications. the commercial sticker/spreader products such as fish
oil, yucca extract, etc, are too fancy/hard
to get for my purposes...i've used blackstrap molasses in both foliar and
drench apps, thinking it might help, but it
doesn't seem to make that much difference in the wetting qualities of the
h2o (it is however a great source of K, CA,
Fe, Mg). fish emulsions also don't seem to make that much difference in
wetting.
this has not caused me any problems, the plants are super healthy, but
i'm always looking for ways to accelerate
growth in both veg and flower.
GGreen, thanks for the coco-wet info, it sounds like a coconut oil-based
"soap" (non-ionic surfactants). perhaps my
best choice would be an "all-natural" liquid castile soap; there are a
few, but dr. bronner's comes to mind (read bottle
while stoned for madcap laughs)...
peace
TOPIC - wetting agent
DATE - 01:59:26 6/20/99
FROM - GGreen
I've been using "COCO-WET" all natural wetting agent from Spray-N-Grow,
Inc. It's a non-ionic surfactant & spray
adjuvant. Directions call for 1/2 teaspoon/gal (1 ml/liter)
I've found that it helps tremendously when used with liquid seaweed and fulvic acid during foliar feeding.
I've used dish soap up until recently but figure if I'm going to grow organically
it might as well be 100% (just don't count
the occasional few drops of Superthrive)
TOPIC - wetting agents
DATE - 23:04:14 6/19/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey curious, being an organic soil grower, I've never cared enough to grab
a label name, but am pretty sure I've seen
weeting agents in many of the local hydro stores. Up here wetting agents
are a dime a dozen. In fact, isn't a wetting
agent anything that reduces water tension to increase it's ability to spread
and stick? In fact I believe dish soap would
be a wetting agent?
TOPIC - green gardens rumour?
DATE - 22:04:40 6/19/99
FROM - t2
anybody still in touch with cha cal?sorry to paste this post in here but
i know people who have mail ordered from here.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kenneth Green writes to Anyone in Seattle on 6/20/99 at 0:46:04
Ever heard of Green Gardens in Bellevue? They sell lights, etc.
ENTF is busting customers out of there right and left.
We know first hand being our grow operation has been raided.
Would like to talk to others in the Seattle area.
TOPIC - pi
DATE - 20:12:12 6/19/99
FROM - jay
dude drop me an email ,we need to talk...
TOPIC - Eng 54 - Wetting agent
DATE - 19:50:10 6/19/99
FROM - Curious George
There is a readily available product that acts, more or less, like a wetting
agent. I have found it quite usefull in many
herb grow situations, but if not properly diluted or used in the wrong
way, it can kill plants dead. No symptons to
assuage, no way out, no way to stop it, just Dead.
The biggest benefits of a wetting agent in herb growing could be in hydro
systems where they could allow the use of
1/2 the usual dose of fertilizer. ( If you're using chemical rather than
organic fertilizers, I suspect that there is a better
chance of an OD. However, I have no idea what would happen if purely organic
solutions were used full strength. )
Since I've never grown hydro, this is all theoretical. Maybe it would be
great, maybe not.
The risks of misuse of this particular wetting agent-like product are All
on the plant, rather than on the grower. The stuff
is non-carcinogenic and non-mutagenic. I've been using it for over 20 years,
but have never seen in mentioned in a
gardening article or in High Times.
However, I'm not going to reveal the name of this particular product. At
least not now. You can try to figure it out from
the hints, but I have my reasons for not publicising it right now. I need
a little lead time to prepare for a possible
commercial venture. If thatdoesn't work out, I'll certainly post a long
monograph here about all my experiences with it. (
By the way, this stuff works well on on both plants and animals, including
humans. )
Sorry if this sounds like a tease. But I'd rather be cautious, and suggest
that you folks be cautious with all wetting
agents since they can and will kill plants.
This is not like fertilizer of Superthrive of other stuff that people use
at higher than recomended doses. This stuff can be
both very helpful, and very lethal to plants, and I don't want any of you
to screw up your garden on my account.
So, check out the other pot boards that have search capability and see
what they say about wetting agents. Then
check back here. I wouldn't be surprised if someone out there knows the
name of my mystery product, and it's OK with
me if they post it.
Almost a test. If nobody out there has the Faintest idea what I'm talking about, maybe the commercial venture will fly.
Have a fabulous weekend !
TOPIC - Pi and RainDrip and Accu-Drip
DATE - 18:59:52 6/19/99
FROM - Blazer
Pi I have Raindrip products all over the yard for flowerbeds and almost
My entire drip/nft hybrid grow op is Raindrip. I
highly recomend all thier products as long as You think "Prefilter!" w/
sponges and there inline screen filter if using any
nutes. Plain h2o works slick as hell in drip or spray via there devices
w/ minimal filtering thats provided. OH FUCK I
just realized it was ACCU-Drip products I started out with!LOL Both are
great and work well combined. Accu-Drip sells
the drip lines You want w/o any emittor on the end, just tube and stake.
Drippers vary from 1/2 gph on up. Pretty trick
IMO, it's what I preffer anyhoo;)
Look them up and I'll see if I can find a link for You.
Peace Friends, Blaze
TOPIC - greenbear-gws
DATE - 14:52:38 6/19/99
FROM - la.bud
hey GB , please email me thanks
TOPIC - ot1 and all
DATE - 14:24:26 6/19/99
FROM - pi
thanks for the info on auto watering. keep it up.
ot1.... yes it would be nice to see a small set up if not too much trouble and others were interested as well.
i have already gravitated past white shower curtain and pond liner and
will be using these blue polypropylene tarps that
are reinforced with nylon ((2) 10x15 for $15 at Sam's). gonna nail (4)
1x2 to the floor thru the carpet and throw the tarp
over to create a pan. no bulky homemade pans to deal with. would be nice
to have a slight slope to the pan for drainage
that way i could eliminate the plastic plant trays to catch runoff. that
would require a rigid raisable bottom though.
i also use shower curtains from wal-mart at $2.34 per for walls. i wanted
white opaque walls all the way around but i
wanted to be able to move and maintain them easily.also i did not want
the walls full length but i wanted a gap at the
floor and ceiling for air movement.
my solution was to take and mount hooks (not eyes) into the ceiling joists
so that i could hang a shower curtain rod
made of 1" dia pvc all the way around my grow and my soon to be pan. this
leaves a space at both the bottom and the
top of my wall. next i went to wall mart and bought enuf shower curtains
and those plastic hangers to completely
surround my grow (1+2+1+2=6). i also bought only one set of 6 black curtains
as i found that the curtain was not
opaque. wrong!!!!. needed a third set of black liners for a total of 18
liners or about $45. easy to clean, cheap, reflective,
easy/cheap to replace ($2.34) and i can move them easily out of the way.
will be using velcro to configure the walls a
little better and i may add another rod at the bottom of the curtains via
velcro to keep them from wafting in the breeze of
(2) 21" industrial cirulating fans ($ 40 @ Sams)and a 15000 btu wall a/c.
i now keep my room cool or around 75 F.
my setup is approx 5x9 using 10"pots and 12" plastic saucers so i could
conceivable fit at least 45 plants under 2 (1) k
lights. not enuf light for canupy at present so i will go to 28 total or
7 rows of 4 (3+1+3).
eventually i will be buying a light rail and also upgrading to (2) state
of the art reflector/bulbs/ballast. ideally i would like
to combine a light cirle and light rail movement somehow so i could have
a (1) 1k hps and (1) 1k mh both rotating and
moving linearly back and forth over my grow like a ceiling fan hung on
a rail and moved back and forth... the best of
both worlds.
betcha i could design one real easy by combining parts from the light rail and light circle bill on materials.
what ever happened to round and x-10 rulz! ha!
comments questions and suggestions are welcome. :8)-~~~~~~~
TOPIC - A tip FWIW
DATE - 12:27:39 6/19/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All, afoaf has a success story to share in reguards to clonining, hes
found a great way thats working all of the time.
He has a seperate veg area, about 6sqft, what he uses is 24oz "Solo Brand"
plastic drink cups,& 4" RW cubes, he
soaks the cubes overnight, takes cuttings and refridgrates them in tupperware
overnight also. Then next day cuts all
but the grow tip and the next two leaves off, the two leaves below the
growtip get there tips cut off (thanks Vic) to help
with resperation, then they have there stem cut at a angle, diped in water,
and then dipped in "RootTone powder"
then take the 4" cube jam it into the cup just about 1" into it, then with
a nail start 4 holes 1 in each corner, and stick
the
cuttings into them, he then places thease cups in the veg area, either
next to the 2 gal pots or in kitty litter trays, he
puts some water in the bottom of the cups to keep them from tipping over,
they get sprayed with plain water once a
day, and the cube is kept moist with a soultion of 1qt water 3 drops "BioBlend
fert Grow/veg" and ST, today he planted
4 Jack Flash clones that went into a cube on the 6/13 and today all 4 had
roots 1-3". No dome no flouro's,(he has a
400mh) real easy. I think part of the reason it works is the cube is suspended
with no water at the bottom just air, in in
conjuction with the refridg and the tip cutting, they all just work well
together. When they are ready just be carefull
pulling the RW apart, as to not snap roots. It also works great for taking
those late clones in the later weeks of flower,
basically re-veging with a cut full of flower's, in that case a Bat gauno
tea is applied to the cube every week, this seems
to help them re-vert to veg growth. I hope some one gets some use from
this, its especially usefull for doing clones with
little frequency, or as I said with late cutts, of that one you just dont
want to let get away.
Peace
OT1- Thank You;-) Sending email by monday.
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:01:39 6/19/99
FROM - oldtimer1
engine54 (hoo-hooooo) When we tested the system we tried just the tubes
there were two probs they kept getting
dislodged and after a week or so the water started making holes in the
compost. The little cage on the flood pins
doesn't do this as the water seeps out gently all round. Even so after
several weeks of use the compost surface still
crusts a bit. I still haven't set this up in a full grow yet as I've been
running a perpetual harvest for a bit. On the small
test rig the heading tank was fed from the Ro via an adjustable ball valve.
The tank fill could be adjusted to cut off
between 20 to 35 litres. There were 36 plants in 4 litre containers in
our temperatures the plants early on need .75 of a
litre every 2 -3 days and once making buds 1 litre. We always add 35% h2o2
at 3 to 4 ml per 10 litres, When we added
fish fert or something smelly it was added manually and stirred into the
full tank the valve opened and the tank allowed
to drain down. The inlet was opened for some more water a bit of h2o2 added
and the outlet opened to flush the pipes.
The system stayed as sweet as a nut over a 10 week grow. As a test we ran
the system for 2 weeks just watering by
removing the down flow valve and putting one of those battery operated
water valves they sell for watering gardens
automatically in its place, it was set to open for 15 mins every other
day. All the plants are in a tray lined with pond
liner and capillary matting, the whole system works just fine and all our
co-op members are adopting it I'm one of the
last.
Hope this helps Ot1.
TOPIC - oh, duh; raindrip link
DATE - 08:09:18 6/19/99
FROM - 54
forgot the obvious one:
www.raindrip.com
big catalog of drip prods, FAQ and help pages, kits, etc.
TOPIC - vic, evap cooling linkage
DATE - 08:04:48 6/19/99
FROM - eng54
vic, pursuant to some earlier discussion on evap cooling, and also pi's
Q about a watering system:
http://www.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tips/msg0300050312468.html
link is to a discussion on low-tech, low-pressure drip systems. several posters name sources for drip products.
http://www.plumbingmart.com/drip.html
an extensive catalog of low pressure drip parts, plus FAQ and links to
info pages. seems like a helpful intro site for
"drip-newbies"
http://www.azmist.com/lowpressure.html
link is to a commercial site, low pressure evap cooling systems for home
use. a poster at another site said he thought
they were a bit expensive...
http://www.can-online.org/memlink.htm
link page of manufacturers, suppliers, nurseries, etc.
i also ran across some product info for a surfactant, a wetting agent.
they had all kinds of positive claims for their
product (better root development, increased growth and production, etc.),
and it occurred to me that you might have
some experience with wetting agents, or be able to recommend some common
solutions (i think adding a few drops of
soap to your water is supposed to help, etc.). many hobby & commercial
growers use peat-based media, and these
are not always hydrophilic...i'd like to find a reliable organic wetting
agent, preferably household & cheap! any ideas?
peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:00:37 6/19/99
FROM - engine54 (hoo-hooooo)
shaggy, nice post :)
having the "best weed in town" can be both a blessing and a burden!
some friends of mine work with the holyweed and x's thereof, in- and outdoors
on the left coast. they are inclined to
rave about its incredible potency and harshly strong smoke. af got a baglet
of mixed x's (romberry, p.75, ww), when he
gets around to starting them i will post the results.
hmm, thanks ot1, yes the drip system would work with flood pins or open-ended
1/4" tubes instead of drip emitters.
then the smallest constriction would be at the tubing connectors, which
have an inside diameter of <1/8".
additional necessary equipt for adding organics (IMHO):
higher pressure pump, aerated/agitated reservoir (separate powerhead, or
"T" diversion after pump, dumping back into
reservoir), additional in-line filtration.
otherwise your res will turn into an anaerobic cesspool, waaaay stinky!
BSSF
TOPIC -
DATE - 00:20:02 6/19/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Vic sent 3 emeys could you let me know they landed ok? Its a beautiful
sunny day once again I'm off out to sample
the day.Ot1
TOPIC - occam
DATE - 23:51:15 6/18/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey bud, could you email me? Got a Q for you.
bcga@mailcity.com
TOPIC - nitric acid
DATE - 16:02:02 6/18/99
FROM - occam
To anyone who can help:
A friend generally uses phosphoric acid for decreasing pH; sent girlfriend
for some, she came back with nitric acid. It
takes about the same ml/L to get the same result as phosphoric acid. Should
he expect any major difference in growth
patterns or...? Perhaps lighten up on N a bit?
I would use WB's search engine, but I don't like the vibes in that place
right now.
Thanx.
TOPIC - sage x big sur holy (attn: peaceness & Soul)
DATE - 13:11:34 6/18/99
FROM - shaggy
Hey there buddy,
As far as I'm aware, I'm the only dude to grow this particular strain.
I bought my seeds direct from Adam at Hempworks
in Amsterdamn in the fall of '97. I'd been living in asia for about 4 years
and decided to pick up a couple seeds from
A'dam before returning to my hemisphere. I went planning on getting some
skunk #1 or nl (I was woefully uninformed
about the current state of breeding), but when I got there I was completely
confused. White widow? What the hell is
that? LOL. Anyway, I made it to Adam's shop and he highly recommended the
sage x big sur holy. Although not
available in any coffeehouses, Adam pulled a big old bong out from behind
the counter and packed up a little sage for
me. OK, now first a few caveats...while I had spent a lot of time in SE
Asia (Laos is heaven...) and India recently,
bonghits are not exactly a standard thing. (a sidenote, graffix-style bongs
did originate in southern Yunnan province,
Northern Vietnam. They set up little stands everywhere where men gather,
drink tea, and smoke TOBACCO out of
those puppies. Needless to say, I was pretty confused for a while--I didn't
think it was tobacco. Lol!). Also, while there
is some killer weed in India, it's not available everywhere. The best hash
comes from Malawi [I think] while the best
weeed is from down south, Kerala if I'm not mistaken. In other words, I
wasn't used to bonghits. Well, this one hit (plus
a tug to clean out the tube) sent me into outer space. I freaked. I couldn't
think and was completely out of control. All I
could do is say goodbye and promise to return tomorrow. Well, I did, and
I got those seeds.
Let's just say that my first grow was educational LOL. We'll chalk that
up to experience. My temps were high and my
two females (of 8) produced copious, but very fluffy nugs. They were often
greeted with contempt by the uninitiated.
However, the hazey-type was there,although not quite as strong as the A'dam
stuff. The problem was that it didn't
seem done even at 12 weeks. I cut it down and attributed the problem to
my high temps (110F).
Well...my 2nd indoor attempt worked like a charm with my c88, greatwhiteshark,
romberry, and blueberry. Nice dense
nugs, great organic smell, great yeilds for a 430 hps. However, the sage
produced the same, stringy, fluffy nugs as
before. And it still tooks WAY too long. I hacked it down at 13 weeks...Upon
further investigation, I came to the
conclusion that the "problem" boils down to sage's haze ancestry. First
of all, I don't know that 38w/ft2 is enough for a
haze variety. The buds grew in individual clusters instead of dense nugs(not
that it's a problem, but it's interesting). If
you look at a picture of sensiseeds'(?) Marley's collie, you'll see a similar
structure. The sage is markedly different than
any other strain I've ever seen. It's definitely a personaly stash type
of weed. The high is too much for some of my
friends. Ever smoke real thai or possibly Laoation bud? Looks can often
be deceiving. This batch's nugs cured to an
intense lemony smell--in fact very similar to my romberry despite their
obvious differences. In fact, now that Soul's
around maybe he can give us a lesson on Haze--it's bud structure, flower/leaf
ration (sage is 100/0 no leaves in the bud
at all, well ok, a couple, but very few). My friends and I can only smoke
it mixed with other, slower weeds, unless we're
mountain biking or otherwise fully physically challenged. Otherwise, it's
just too damn intense. Very haze-influenced.
Ok, now here's the weird part. Recently, t.h.seeds put its website up (change
sagarmartha's site to say ~hemp at the
end). When I bought it, it was called sage x big sur holy. However, today
it's called S.A.G.E. I never thought anything
of it until someone who is growing it posted some pictures at the 'Base.
The crazy thing is that his S.A.G.E looks
nothing like what I had. Instead of long, thin, sativa leaves, it has wider,
bluer, indica looking leaves. There's no doubt in
my mind that they're different strains. OR, quite possibly, Adam crossed
his sage x big sur holy with an indica. Damion
(who posts here sometimes) has met Adam and was quite taken with the S.A.G.E.
Adam told him that it was a haze x
heavy yeilding afghani. So what's going on? Only Adam knows the truth and
the Hempworks website has been "in the
mix" now for at least a year.
Ok, I've rambled on and on. Feel free to ask follow-ups. In my last grow,
I crossed my remaining male to my c88
seeds. I've got about 50 or so, but until I can devote myself to a real
breeding project, they'll have to sit in the freezer. In
the meantime, I'm giving all this indoor stuff a break. The last batch
I grew proved to cure to a strength hitherto unknown
in these parts. People are simply amazed when I pull out a jar and demand
to know where I got it...also, my friends
have been getting too high and want to know if I've got something weaker,
heheh. I love it, but I beginning to know what
they mean. After all those years of schwag, a 5-6 hour high with no residual
headache is a weird thing! Besides,
summer here is just too hot indoors to grow. Of course, I'll still be around
to answer questions, etc.
Hope this helped,
stay safe,
shaggy
ps: Soul, if you're interested in those c88 x (sage x big sur holy) seeds,
just let me know. You might be interested in
the genetics. Of course, I haven't grown any out, so they might all be
crap...or gold.
Link: All of my posts...check the later ones ...
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:02:35 6/18/99
FROM - oldtimer1
007 like the handle, flood pins are made for handling organic solutions
providing its not to lumpy.
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:57:15 6/18/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Budm In case you missed it below could you drop me a line please! As far
as males go they either reveg fast or just
wilt away. It is best to to make a dad under at least 18/6 and keep it
trimmed every few weeks I've kept them alive for
several years without recloning, it is also easer with tropical / equatorial
types than indicas.
pi the flood pins work easily with gravity, the bottom of the tank needs
to be about 3 ft or more above the top of the soil
level for 78 pots you need a 3/4" down feed pipe from the tank. You T from
that with 1/2" pipe between every other row
of pots, at every pair of pots you insert a small T with a spaghetti tube
going to each pot with a flood pin in. If you want
I'll set up a small run say 6 pots and send you a picture. The people here
that do all that stuff are Nutriculture off hand
don't know if they have an emey/Web P addy but they advertise inside the
back page of Gromag, let me know if you
want a pick!!
Soul this isn't business so i think its ok and interesting of the P75 x
P_Bro most were completely finished on day 46
on 12/12 but one smells and looks just the same except today is 71 days
and the dam thing keeps producing new
flushes of pistils the main cola while not tall is now over 5 inches in
diameter the plant is still healthy have you seen
this before or any idea why? With my vars I'd expect this haha but its
got more white hairs than than the sat JH's which
are the only other ones left in. As an after word at 46 days it looked
nearly done then in two days it produced so many
pistils that it went white and you couldn't see the small leaves or bud
it has done the same thing twice since I have
never seen anything like it in over 35 years of growing!
All the best Ot1
TOPIC - vic, pi
DATE - 11:58:19 6/18/99
FROM - 007
vic, thanks man: i respect your judgement and discretion. thanks for the
great chat :-)
pi, you can find the stuff you're looking for at home depot (pump, reservoir,
in the "water garden" section), walmart or
kmart (tubing, emitters; gardening). the variable flow pump is not an option
($$), but you can control the volume with a
valve of some sort. also, the manifold may be hard to find; af ended up
opting for a ring-shaped set-up of 1/2" hose (fed
by pump at reservoir). the ring is run around the grow, and shorter 1/4"
feeder hoses are run to emitters staked at each
plant.
if system is run on plain h2o (plus a dab of peroxide for algae, pythium,
etc), drip emitters can be used. this will provide
for even distribution of h2o among the plants. however, emitters can vary,
and also, residual pressure in the delivery line
can cause them to drip well after the pump is shut off, so it's a good
idea to check the set-up in operation for a couple
days before you need it....in my friend's opinion, this system wouldn't
work with any organic content; that stuff must be
delivered separately. make sure they eat hearty before you go away!
the components i've seen at walmart (and other places, kmart or hardware
stores that have a garden section) are made
by "raindrip". they are also sold by wormsway, at higher prices of course.
peace
TOPIC - Try This, Pi
DATE - 11:53:27 6/18/99
FROM - Bud Bundy
Stumbled across this site a few months back...sounds like it could be what
your looking for. It definitely falls under
your "cheap" criteria.
It says this product can handle up to 30 plants, and has a 3.5 gal reservoir.
Link: Plantsitter 30
TOPIC - ot1/all
DATE - 09:13:15 6/18/99
FROM - pi
could you explain a flood pin again or direct me via an link.
i am thinking that it is just a stake that attaches to the end of the black
tubing so that you can water your plants
without an emmitter?
i want to set up an auto watering system that is cheap,reliable and maiantenance
free as possible. i currently use 10"
pots which i beleive are about 2.5 gal in worm castings/verm/perl.
i see a need for...
- emmitter or 'flood pin' at the plant
- black tubing of equal length for each plant
- pump to tubing manifold
- variable flow pump
- reservoir
i currently use x-10 so can water however and whenever i want.
any suggestions or links would be appreciated.
tia.
TOPIC - revegging males
DATE - 08:21:35 6/18/99
FROM - Vic High
Budm, I've actually found it easier to reveg a male than a female. I sinmply
hack it back removing most of the main bud
shoots and then return it to veg lighting. I often wait for it to show
some new veg growth before repotting into fresh soil.
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:12:13 6/18/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
I picked up on the idea to replicate the one lone Panama Red that af has,
hes a male that shed some pollen, now hes
going to pollinate a female Neviles Haze and af is going to backcross with
pollen untill it replicates the PR, the one
thing that is impressive with this one male PR is in flower he only streached
8", so it looks like it may be maniagable
indoors. Vic or any one else, this male needs to be put back into veg,and
either cloned or re-generated for more pollen,
are there any special considerations for males going back into veg? as
af has never done this before with a male.
Thanks in advanced;-) and a great weekend to all.
Peace
TOPIC - god dammit
DATE - 06:38:52 6/18/99
FROM - funkdified
When I type the addy in myself, I get there no problem. I can't figure
out what I'm doing wrong. Well here it is.
greensmiths.com/humic.htm
TOPIC - You got it Vic
DATE - 22:30:53 6/17/99
FROM - flick
The height difference was to small to make that much of difference Vic
but it doesn't matter you gave the answer...
Suntwist with air cooled lights.
Unless of course he decides to stick with the solution he came up with
earlier today--use more CO2 with a bigger flow
valve.
I would go with the suntwist myself.
I thank you and AkA thanks you --he made me promise to sign off with his thing when he posted a couple of times..
Make em catch us all
TOPIC - Biostimulant Bacteria
DATE - 21:59:58 6/17/99
FROM - Curious George
Went prowling through a agri store recently and came up with a product
to try out on the veggies out back.
It's called "Bio Pack", and comes as a 1 lb jar of dark powder that's enough
to treat 100 gallons of water. The contents
label list three different kinds of bacteria: Nitrogen fixing bacteria,
Phosphorus Solubilizing bacteria, and something
called "beneficial bacteria"
However, the ingredients don't stop there ... and there's the rub ... even
though they are billed as "natural organic
ingredients", I'm curious about this "other stuff", and what it does.
Humate and Humic acids are 40% by weight, cold water kelp is 35%, Natural
sugars ( sucrose ) Vitamins ( B-complex,
K ), Amino acids and beneficial bacteria combined are 20%. Citric and citric
buffers are 5%, and Soluble Potash ( K2O
) derived from Humate & kelp is 12%.
The package states that "Bio-Pak is designed for use as a root drench treatment."
Some of the instructions mention
root growth stimulation and stress recovery. Could some of the stuff in
here be like Superthrive? The gist of what I've
researched online on Superthrive seemed to say that it was fine for root
growth but not helpful during fruiting or
flowering.
Anyone know anything about this stuff ? I'm going to try it on buckets
of peppers and tomatos, & I'll let you folks know
if there's any big difference.
TOPIC - First-Timer
DATE - 15:33:41 6/17/99
FROM - Eddie Walker
Hi,
I've decided to try out my green thumb and have the slightest idea where
to start from. Here's my situation. I will be
growing outside. I have no need for irrigation because the site will be
on a hill and there is a natural spring watering it.
My climate is Pacific NW Seattle area. My questions are as follows:
1) when should I plant?
2) do I need fertilizer?
3) can i get a manual from somewhere?
......I don't know where to even begin!!!!
Please Help!!!
Truly yours,
Eddie Walker
P.S. What is the yeild from one plant?
TOPIC -
DATE - 15:27:21 6/17/99
FROM - Vic High
Flick - did your setup and your friend's have similar distances to intake
and exhaust? I know those smaller fans crap
out quickly if they have to push the air very far. Another possibility
is that your fresh air sources are different temps.
That aside, the best advice I can offer is to bag the CO2 and just move
lots of air. If your bud lives in a city, he will get
lots of CO2 anyway. My gut feeling is that your bud will be no better off
loosing the benefit of the suncircle to gain the
benefit of CO2 with aircooled hoods. Now suntwist, that will let you have
your cake and eat it as well, haha. Just my 2
cents.
Nugget - I had a good feeling where you were coming, that's why I didn't
delete :) Just wanterd to direct the responces
to you a bit. Your comments are interesting. We have some New Zealand friends
that surf these waters that have the
complete opposite experiences down under. All they can find is sativas
and had some of us mail out indica seeds to
them. Go figure!
I hope others join in because I won't be able to do your question justice.
If you are well connected with the local
genetics and clones that have been around for several years, you may find
it hard to find seedstock that will perform
better than what you have. One reason is that those local special clones
have gone though years of selection and are
basically the best of the best (playing with your handle, hehe). For example,
I have a special california orange clone,
thanks to many here, that goes back a decade or two. There are a few quality
seed sources for cali-o that will give you
a quality representation of the strain but you could probably grow out
about a hundred of them and not find something
as nice as this special clone. Purchase seeds if you want a change of pace
or want to play around with some
breeding. Or to just learn what the different strains are really like.
As for interpreting the yield info quoted on the descriptions, just take
them as a general guideline. I use them to
compare between strains of the same brand but not between brands since
different breeders seem to use different
standards. The same seedstock could yield 1/2 ounce or a pound depending
on your growing skill and how, when, and
where you are growing it, if you know what I mean :)
As for incorporating sativa influences into your lineup, I have little
first hand experience, but Emery is fond of his
hawaiian sativa, Soul his C99, dutch their haze and haze crosses. Then
there is The Doc's wild sativas, and DJ Short's
finest. Going to Cannabis.com's Seedbanks page is the best place to get
detailed info on any of these or use
Weedbase's excellent search engine. There is more than a year of excellent
info there and easy to access.
TOPIC - Forgot to state the problem
DATE - 15:15:13 6/17/99
FROM - flick
Just re-read my post and noticed I didn't even state the problem... Just
in case someone didn't figure it out.
The problem is the vent fans draw the CO2 out too fast.
stay free
flick
PS Thanks for the info Trelaway--he is using hydro and the ballast for
the 1k is out of the cube...I'm pretty sure it's out
of the room as well. Same thing with the 4 x which isn't a plastic cube
but a closet.
I had another question too--that closet is a cedar closet. Anyone think
that could affect the plants?
TOPIC - heat in boxes
DATE - 14:39:48 6/17/99
FROM - trelaway
A friend uses a 4x4x4 foot box with a 1k sodium (ballast outside the box).
With 90 cfm exhaust he was able to get it
down to 90F at the top of the box but we had problems getting it even there.
Two signifigant changes allowed him to get it down to 90f. One was increasing
the air movement in/out of the room the
box was contained within.
The second is he swiched to hydro tables from potted dirt. His reasoning
is that the dirt volume was storing heat within
the box. Now he has the plants, some small rockwool blocks and a plastic
drain table. The nutrient is piped up from
under the box--standard flood/drain.
TOPIC - In and out
DATE - 14:03:41 6/17/99
FROM - Indy
Mr Soul, good to see ya pal. Your in and out mix. Which strains were in
that?
Pax
TOPIC - Thanks Vic
DATE - 13:00:31 6/17/99
FROM - MrSoul
Vic_~
I appreciate your allowing me to post here. I'm keeping an eye out for
anything interesting that I can add without going
too far. I will always try to remember I'm in YOUR house.
This is the place to see me on my "best behaviour" everyone!
{"8^)_~
TOPIC - Hey Capn and I need some help too.
DATE - 12:34:50 6/17/99
FROM - flick
Hey CapnÖDo a search over at the weedbase.. there are more than a few methods
to mail clones and one of them
allows you to use a regular envelope to send them unrooted without smell
worry's or big packages. That particular
method will be posted under Vic's name so you can just do an Author search.
Just thought I would help someone here out before I asked for a little
help for a freind. He is doing me a favor and I can't
solve his problem so I thought maybe some of you have a solution I can't
come up with.
Here is the situation..
The plants are housed in a plastic cube, a simple wood frame to covered
by 6ml plastic. He got this from me and I
used this for a couple of reasons..if you would like them ask and I will
answer but it's not important now. What is
important is that he can't control the heat like I was able to.
The one I used was 4.5' x 4.5' x 5.5'h. His is 5.5 x 5.5 x 6h. I was able
to keep the temp between 90 and 95 with some
100 degree days when it was warmer, just a few though. 2 65cfm fans were
used to vent and they were constantly on.
He is using a 1k and 400 watt light on a 2 arm suncircle. I used the same thing.
Even though the vent fans were on all the time I was still able to use
tanked CO2 enrichment. The tent would be filled to
the desired level then gas was injected every 10 minutes to maintain the
level. It worked great.
His problem is that to keep the temp at the desired level for CO2 useÖ90
to 95 he had to use bigger vent fans and is
currently using 1 500cfm duct fan. ( I used those quiet fans from radio
shack, I think they are for computers.)
My first suggestion was to buy a timer with dual outlets that would turn
the vent fan off when the CO2 was on and to
set the flow meter at the lowest setting possible. The problem is that
the heat climbs too fast and the problem isn't
solved.
My second suggestion was to air condition the room but he can't do it because
the garden would have to be taken
apart to get to the window enough to slip the AC in. This can't happen
because they are in flower and under a screen.
My third suggestion was to not use the suncircle I gave him and switch
to air cooled lights. He said it probably wouldn't
work because he has an air cooled that he made in a 4 x 4 space and still
has to use a 265cfm duct fan for venting and
is having the same problem with CO2 enrichment in that space as well. (a
thermostat on the vent fan would probably
work in that grow though)
I think it will work but he still would like to avoid it since it means
a trip to the grow store and a few bucks out the
pocket.
My fourth suggestion----was that he should post his questions--his suggestion
was that I go screw myself (different
word though;-) He won't post to the net anywhere so I'm doing it for him.
Any thoughts and ideas will be appreciated..even if you think it is dumb since it could trigger a good idea.
Thanks
Stay free
flick
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:42:13 6/17/99
FROM - Uncle Chooie
Peaceness, there's a big difference between the P.75 and the Cindy 99.
99's buds are heavier and there's much more
resin production. I posted about her performance outdoors at Weedbase,
if you want to know how she does outdoors.
Link below.
Link: C-99 Outdoors Thread
TOPIC - After some variety.
DATE - 09:00:31 6/17/99
FROM - Nugget
Sorry Vic. Perhaps I'll rephrase the main thrust of my question. My interest
is in introducing something markedly
different to what I've grown used to. I don't actually care where It's
from (so long as I get it). Mostly the gear I find
available is heavy Indica varieties (typically described as "skunky") where
potency means an almost knock out high. I
have laid my hands on some rather unusual (for me) gear which has the shortest
flowering time and highest ratio of
flower to leaf/stem I've seen. It tends to grow short and squat with broad
dark green leaves (purple closest to the buds)
and deep purple resin bracts. While the stone from this gear is still what
I'd term heavy it's a lot different and more
enjoyable than most I've encountered. The novelty of this gear has led
me to search for other unusual or distinct
varieties. The descriptions of some of the more sativa orientated strains
with "energetic" or "up" highs sounds excellent
and I would love to try and grow some. However I have trouble relating
the descriptions from the various seedbanks to
my own personal experience in terms of yield, quality/intensity of high,
growth cycles, suitability to my growth
methods.
How much of this weed would you smoke in an average sitting and with what
effect? Will the varieties offered provide
markedly different "highs" to those I've experienced? With say 600w in
a 1.5m squared area and in a maximum of
twelve weeks (veg. and bloom) how much will one plant produce (surely much
more than 100-150g) ? What strains or
type of strains would best suit my requirements? I would appreciate some
advice as I'm unsure enough about buying
this gear from the internet anyway [bloody new fangled whiz bang big brother
new world order type thingy that it is ;) ]
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:14:46 6/17/99
FROM - Vic High
Peaceness & Nugget - asking seedbank like questions is discouraged
here. Nugget, giving a details description of
what you have there and looking for ideas of what it would be similar to
is fine, but asking specific seedbank questions
isn't. Don't want to compete with cann.com :)
Mota - Federation and my romulan are somewhat different and have undergone
different selective pressures. Asking
Emery at Can.com may give you a better responce as well. Of those willing
to post, I think he is the most
knowledgeable on that one.
TOPIC - leaf curl
DATE - 06:12:41 6/17/99
FROM - diane
Thanx to all for their advice. I
believe my problem is too much fertilizer
for such young plants. I flushed them
and I'm hoping for a quick rebound.
In the future I'm going to try not to take
care of them so well - maybe they'll
be better off :)
TOPIC - Cinderella Story
DATE - 06:11:44 6/17/99
FROM - MrSoul
Peaceness_~
I'm being VERY careful not to "spam" here (respect to Vic):
1. P.75 is two generations below Cinderella 99
2. There is a major difference in the two generations.
3. The high of P.75 is quite mellow compared to C99.
There's not much more I can add, except that I don't know how she performs
outdoors...but she matures so rapidly
indoors I'd GUESS it will finish early outdoors.
TOPIC - mites
DATE - 01:35:21 6/17/99
FROM - trelaway
Thanx for the info on mites. I'll read thru it tomorrow. I also used shabang's
search at weedbase, my first time, to read
up on mites--it's great.
TOPIC - romulan 7 of 9
DATE - 00:43:42 6/17/99
FROM - mota20
vic. I have heard that once in a while one of the romulan females comes
out alot better then the rest? someone called
them 7 of 9 I have 6 females going into 4 weeks of 12/12 and one of them
is already forming a cola 16in. long and is so
sticky you almost have to force your finger off of it. Could this be a
7 of 9 ? Also how long should i let it go the full 8 to
9 weeks? thanks in advance for any advice. peace mota20
TOPIC - leaf curl/buying seeds
DATE - 23:24:00 6/16/99
FROM - Peaceness
diane, it sounds as if you are fertilizing and watering way too much.You
may want to purchase a moisture meter.
Moisture meters are very accurate. they work by inserting a probe into
the soil and giving you a reading of the moisture
level deep in the soil. You cant go wrong. besides, even though the top
few inches of the soil may be dry, lower in the
soil may be very moist. As far as the fish emulsion, you may want to switch
to high nitrogen seabird guano. this stuff is
MAGIC!!!! the drawback is that the tea smells like sewage!! I buy a brand
from down to earth.-Peaceness
p.s. all: i have decided to purchase some seeds for next fall as well as
indoor. any recommendations? been hearing A
LOT about cinderella 99. is it hype or is it the BOMB as everyone says.
i have grown out p.75 and various crosses of it.
i guess p.75 is 2 "cubes" away from C99. has anyone grown/smoked the 2,
and is there much difference between
them? Im not sure that i wold want to waste $150 on a strain that i may
already have. Also planning to buy some
low/no smelling outdoor strains, any suggestions. Also does anyone have
any experience with the Sage x Big Sur
Hollyweed that marc emery sells?
TOPIC - Seed purchases and my setup.
DATE - 23:22:48 6/16/99
FROM - Nugget
I'm a newbie as far as the whole internet seed thing is concerned but the
names, pictures, descriptions and reputations
of these varities has snared my interest .
I intend to buy a selection from Heaven's Stairway due to their range and
reputation. However I'm having trouble
comparing the strains offered to those with which I'm already familiar
(most of which don't have designer
trademarks/names). You see where I'm from (South Australia) the law regarding
MJ states that three plants is OK for
personal consumption [$130 fine no record, like a speeding fine :) ] and
so we grow 3 LARGE indoors (1 - 2 Lbs). Using
3 (sometime more) 600w hps (luca600 globes) 50L pots, coconut fibre/clay
balls, dutch master nutrient (2200 ppm)
(run to waste) and CO2 enrichment in a smallish chamber allows for about
1&1/2 pounds from each plant with a 2-3
week vegetative and 5-7 week bloom cycle. The strains I have look a lot
like the super skunk #1 and purple star X
varieties I have seen. The potency is extremely high although the super
skunk has an almost "anaesthetic for the mind"
high (I've seen a "twice- a- year weed smoker fall down green and unable
to move after 1 desert bong).
Would I get a significantly better quantity/quality from the seeds offered?
What I don't understand is how some varieties like big bud, which claims
high yield only report a 150gm crop while
others can claim up to 800gms and others rate per m2 or 1000w light? With
what sort of setup are the indoor plants
offered acheiving their 6 week bloom cycle. Also I would like anyones opinion
on the largest producing, quickest
blooming pure sativa available [in purple would be nice :) ]
and the strain (sativa, inidica or cross) with the most powerful energising
high (something rare over here).
Bong oN (The Nugget)
TOPIC -
DATE - 22:28:48 6/16/99
FROM - Vic High
trounce = safer's soap/pyrethrum mix
TOPIC - the trelaway trounce, leaf curl
DATE - 21:37:00 6/16/99
FROM - 180
trelaway, am i lost in the ozone, or is trounce pyrethrin? it's been awhile
since i read the label on that one (lazy
wanders in the hardware store), but i think it is, or permethrin, or another
similar.
with pyrethrin, the residual toxicity can vary, but it's generally fairly
safe in use. the downside is phytotoxicity; it's hard
on the plants, can do lots of damage. also not entirely effective against
mites (not an ovicide, so even with weekly
sprayings, if the ambient temp is high enough the little bastards can reproduce
as fast as you eradicate them, thusly
extending your spraying program to eternity ;-)). on the plus side, it
does kill larval and adult mites, and the way you
are using it (quick rinse) should help protect the plants from its toxic
effects.
other methods like soap, hort. oil, and neem oil are equally effective,
and available, but they all are "controls", rather
than "solutions". as pi says below, avid (abamectin) is a solution. it's
also fairly safe in use, degrades rapidly, has low
toxicity to most non-pests (some exceptions though, all the info is available
online). with judicious use and other
controls in place, i expect 2oz could last me something like TEN years!
ten years of NO MITES, yowee!
leaf curl, hehehe, the books say it's over-watering or over-fert, but weed
does this all the time and often for no apparent
reason. for this reason, treat it as one indicator of many, and look for
other symptoms or signs. once you get to know
your plants they will let you know if there's a problem :-)
TOPIC - trelaway / avid and neem oil
DATE - 17:10:17 6/16/99
FROM - pi
trelaway.... ya you did give me cause for concern and reminded me of the
mean and jelous people out there.
avid... can be gotten @ www.african-violets.com in small bottles for about
$20 for 2 oz of 1/2 stength i beleive.
correction full strength dosage is 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon not 12.
neem oil works to but it is hell on the plants. high concentrated neem
oil product (90%+) is called Rose Defense or
Fruit, Nut and Veg spray by Green Light @ Home Depot. i beleive they are
the same ingredients but you pay more for
the Rose name on the bottle so get the FNV spray. i tried other neem products
that did little to the plants and worked
OK but the concentration of neem oil was less than 10%.
TOPIC - mites and sq rt pi
DATE - 16:50:03 6/16/99
FROM - pi
re: mites.... i have had borg cities all over my grow room and tried many
methods of irradication... most of which
damage the plant, most are labor intensive and the ones i tried did not
completely kill them.
i used avid on my grow, carpet and all, and 2 months later NO MITES NO
MITES NO MITES NO MITES and no
damage to the plants. Avid is not cheap @ $280 per qt but it sure is effective
and a little goes a long way.
recommended dossage is 1/4-12 tspn NOT tablespoon per gallon. i had 2 fluid
oz i think, gave away .5 oz and still have
.75 oz left.
from my perspective Avid is the only way to go.
sq rt pi = 1.77245385091...--> oo
TOPIC - me being a know-it-all & pi and Trounce (mites)
DATE - 15:50:56 6/16/99
FROM - trelaway
oops, I didn't read down far enuf, just the top three before entering the
post below. I wouldn't use lime if yer trying to
lower the ph.
Pi - just read thru the last batch of posts. Sorry if you took my comment
on trolls personally. It was not directed at you,
not even slightly, but at the can com seedbank trolls who thrive on trashing
people.
Trounce - for those who are on a maintenance program to control mites,
how wet to the plants need to be and how long
should I leave it on before washing it off. At present, weekly, I move
all the veg plants into the bathtub, douse them with
trounce, let them sit an hour before washing them off with distilled water.
It's working on the mite issue but seems a
nasty thing to put the plant thru every week.
TOPIC - Leaf Curl
DATE - 15:45:56 6/16/99
FROM - Danbo
Diane, What are your temps going to? I've seen tyhe upper new growth curl
under because of high temps during the
dark cycle. If you're a couple weeks into flower, the
lower fan leaves will curl and yellow . This is natural.
Just remove them to let in more light.
TOPIC - .......
DATE - 15:35:23 6/16/99
FROM - trelaway
diane-you're likely over-watering and over ferting. I'd only water when
the pot gets light or the leaves droop and only fert
if the plant needs it, like the oldest leaves are starting to fade.
You could just scratch a tablespoon of lime into the top of the soil, using
a fork down about a centimetre (3/8"), when it
next dries. Then when you water it'll just wash thru; it's a pretty fine
powder.
TOPIC - re: Romberry report - Pi
DATE - 12:54:48 6/16/99
FROM - KGB
Hey Pi -
What's yer square root? ;-) Just kidding. Thanks for the
Romberry report. It was particularly helpful as I've just
received my beans from HS. Some look kinda immature, but
I'll take heart at what you said about their vigor. Keep us
updated please,
-
TOPIC - Xenon lights
DATE - 08:51:46 6/16/99
FROM - Rons
Xenon gas lighting has been around for a long time in the form of flash
units and strobe lighting. The Philips head lights
seem to be available only in Europe. No mention of them at the Philips
N. American site. The link below is for
conversion kits that you can get for the modest sum of $850 to $1,000 each!!!!
I can visualize a killer 5 lamp, 250 watt
scrog setup for about $4,500. Hmmmm. Maybe when electric costs get to $.50
per KWH.
I remember reading either Ed R. or Jorge C.'s book mentioning the possibility
of using strobe lighting. Anyone ever try
that?
Link: Xenon head lights
TOPIC - leaf curl
DATE - 08:45:20 6/16/99
FROM - diane
Vic - I'm using 5-2-2 (f.e.)@ 1tsp/gal...
every sixth day (they are watered every
third day to saturation, then excess is
removed)(plants started w/diluted f.e. for
first two waterings b/4 bringing it up)
What is a quick fix acidifyer to lower
ph until I can transplant into a mix w/lime?
TOPIC - Speaking of Leaf Curl....
DATE - 08:29:30 6/16/99
FROM - Bud Bundy
I haven't fertilized the rom surprises in over a month, and all of the
sudden, some of the girl's leaves are starting to curl
under, some more severely than others, some not at all... It seems the
more sativa dominant they are, the more curl.
The mostly indica varieties dont seem to be affected. A month ago, they
were placed in 50% Sunshine mix, 25 perl 25
verm, and I added two cups of 3-15-7 organic fertilizer with a 2 cups of
dolomite lime (sunshine has sphagnum moss)
per 36 gallons soil. They are watered twice a week, which seems to suit
them fine. Why would they all of the sudden
start to curl under if I havent applied any more fertilizer? Everything
i've read says that curling under is from over
fertilizing....I dont know the ph...could the ph being too low or high
cause this? Temps are between 70-83 degrees, they
are in 3x3.5 space under 430 HPS (5000 Lumens/sqft)
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:57:34 6/16/99
FROM - Vic High
Diane - your pH may be a bit high, might want to try a soil acidifier.
It's strange though because I've always found the
fish ferts to be acidic ( I use Alaska brand). I've always found curled
leaves to be a nutrient imbalance, not a N
deficiency. Fish ferts tend to be well balanced for veg growth so this
brings me back to the high pH.
What strength is your fish solution anyway? If using every second feeding,
you may want a fairly dilute solution (half
strength or less).
Once the pH condition is fixed, if the plants don't respond you may want
to flush your medium. Or do both at same
time?
TOPIC - yellow/upper leaf curl
DATE - 07:17:22 6/16/99
FROM - diane
Out of 8 - 3wk old plants grown in 6" pots
w/soil+verm.+perl...I have 2 that have some
upper leaf curl and each has a bottom leaf
turning very yellow. I've been watering w/
fish emulsion 5-1-1 every other time. My book
says not enough N (and possibly Mg?). Should
I do anything at this point or wait since I'm
about to transplant at the end of this week?
Also, my PH is @7.5...
TOPIC - arrgh! vic?
DATE - 06:31:07 6/16/99
FROM - 180
VIC, do you have dr.a's email addy? if so, could you post it for me, or
send it? TIA
peace
TOPIC - Xenon Lighting - found some basic information
DATE - 05:59:28 6/16/99
FROM - Curious George
I shouldn't have asked about Xenon before attempting to search the Web
on my own.
The Phillips lighing company has a large website that includes a "search" function, so I checked it out.
The FAQ item I found claimed that Xenon lighting produces 2X the light
of a halogen bulb, And uses 1/2 the power!
Evidently it is the "whitest" form of artificial light, and improves safety
because of the way in which the eye percieves it.
( Further digging might reveal how much heat they put out as compared to
halogen bulbs. A very important
consideration.)
The headlight item that I checked ( the site loads a copy of Adobe Acrobat
when you click on the results of a site
search ) indicated that it yielded 3,200 lumens, with a color temp. of
4,100 K.
Sounds pretty good so far.
Perhaps someone with greater electronic expertice should do a little more research and report back.
They don't appear to need a lot of power, since these were intended to
be used as auto headlights. There is probably
some little transformer or form of ballast that takes a standard auto 12
volts and steps it up. The bulb that came up in
the search pulled, as I recall, 43 watts.
Since these appeared to be just bare bulbs, as opposed to sealed-beam headlight
units, they could probably be easily
adapted to different reflectors. If it turns out that they are more readibly
availble in sealed-beam form at auto parts
chains, a seperate reflector might not be needed, and since they are so
narrowly focused, there would be very little
light spill off the targeted area when used indoors.
Link: Phillips Lighting home page
TOPIC - Thanks Oldtimer ... & a lighting query...
DATE - 21:24:33 6/15/99
FROM - Curious George
The liquid solution bit is one that I'd use late in the season. The routine
for the past several years has been to add
approx. 10-15% manure to my bucket mix every year & this usually matches
the number of buckets that have become
brittle and have to be replaced. The manure is old, broken down, with remnants
of straw, and has been under a roof in a
stockyard for many years.
Started out with topsoil and humus and other stuff years ago, but haven't
added much else but gypsum, limestone, and
manure using the "eyeball method". Stuff always seemed to grow well.
It's only recently that I've started to research on-line to see if the
garden could be improved.
Took my first ever ph reading
recently, and it came in at 6.5.
Just fine for the tomatos, but the peppers and salad stuff needed sweeter
soil so I tossed some crushed limestone on
them and washed it in with watering.
Some of it this organic bit is certainly applicable to growing herb, but
I'm not able to take that step right now.
Unfortunately.
Besides, almost all of the recipes I've read out here for "soil" herb growing
are quite different from my veggie stuff. Much
looser, full of "Pro-Mix" and requiring that virtually All the nutrition
be supplied from the outside.
I am making use of a couple of tricks I learned in the online
herb spaces. Started using a 5 gal. bucket of water with a pumpconstantly
bubbling with an aquarium stone so I can
get O2 and CO2 to the plants then I water them.
Just out of curiosity ( so to speak ) I've been reading about a new high-end
auto headlight called a "Xenon" bulb.
Supposed to be very bright and very white. Does anyone know how many lumens
they put out and what the color temp.
is? There could be a significant power savings if you could grow with lights
that draw all of 12 volts! How long they last
would be an important parameter to explore, but they probably are built
to take some bumps.
I figure that Any alternative to those huge MH & HPS lamps should be
explored, just on general principles. : )
TOPIC -
DATE - 06:37:20 6/15/99
FROM - Vic High
Pi - I musta confused ya, haha. I appreciated your post, it kinda put the
hype in it's perspective and gave some reality
to people's expectations. I would much rather just let it all hang out,
haha.
Anyway, to correct our confusion, you got beens from the first batch and
trelaway got beens from the second batch.
Without a doubt both batches are from the same romulan mom (I only have
one romulan "Joe referred to it as the
Original" haha). I assumed they both were from the same blueberry dad but
there have been some subtle differences in
the description of romberry between the two batches. I've been considering
the possibility that I got the blueberry males
mixed up on the second batch, I have several laying around. With blueberry
being so true breeding this normally
wouldn't be a problem but blueberry is known to carry the hermie gene in
it's back pocket so you need to select
parents that don't pass on this gene. Anyway, since we brought all this
into the open, I've been given feedback from
several growers and my fears have been put to rest. Webfish's experience
(0 herms) appears to be the norm, having a
herm pop up is common but not frequesnt. And getting multiple herms is
rare, treleway being only reported case.
TOPIC - foot-in-mouthitis
DATE - 04:43:55 6/15/99
FROM - pi
Vic, i do not go to but maybe 3 sites anymore and Cannkids is not one of
them, so i am blissfully ignorant of the latest
in spamming,trolling and flaming.
my post on the romberry was not intended to produce flames or insult you
in any way my friend. i was just trying to
give you feedback. SORRY.
all...vic and i chatted about the origination of the genes i got and we
are sure that they are from another romberry mom
that is not the current seed mom. i got them before he went public.
TOPIC -
DATE - 03:46:55 6/15/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Curious George sorry about about going back to your Q about organic teas
so late but I've been busy! I come from the
uk and have been growing my fruit, veggies and puff organically for 35
years or so. I've posted most of this before but it
is worth repeating. My concept of growing organically is that the soil
or growing compost is a living medium with
reserves of organic matter which is slowly break down to humus. This environment
supports the largest diversity of
micro organisms which in turn live by feeding off their favourite mineral
/ organic material, in turn dying in their billions
every minuet releasing the absorbed nutrients. This tends to be self balancing
ie if the plants in your soil aren't taking
say 50% of the released phosphorus, the bacteria / fungi will recycle the
free water soluble nutrients keeping them in
the system and reducing the breakdown from the raw ingredients. So I try
and make my growing compost and garden
soil rich minerals and base nutrient ingredients + plenty of organic matter
to supply the humus cycle and a some ready
to use nutrients. I try to avoid liquid feeding where possible but have
to resort to a little when growing puff indoors but
only if i see a deficiency.
Bone meal or bone flower wont release much P for liquid feeding something
like .01% you would be far better with a
high P bat guano which should have the soluble % of P on the analysis.
If you have an organic chocolate processor
your side of the pond the remains of the cocoa beans after extracting the
chocolate have 20% soluble K + some locked
in the grains, released by bacteria later if mixed in the soil. So with
dried blood [ I assume this is blood meal ] usually
12 to 15% N it is easy to make a fairly accurate NPK liquid feed. For solanums
and puff I would tend to add a little
magnesium sulphate. I wouldn't use Superthrive in a feed to something I
was going to eat or smoke as it has
1-Naphthyl acetic acid in it. We have quite a few organic standard liquid
feeds and fish fertilisers available here with
about every NPK balance you could want, they are about half to a quarter
the price of Earth Juice and IMHO better. I
use so little it is easer for me to buy than mix my own. In the past our
co-op has done 50 / 50% comparative tests with
EJ cat and later Superthrive to just water and the difference in both cases
was virtually nothing between 24 plants with
additive right through to 24 plants water only right through. We also did
the same thing with B-cuzz in this case the
additive side had a lighter yield and the plants didn't look as healthy.
Dried sewerage sludge, ask for a complete analysis including metal contamination
if clean it makes a good top
dressing for soil. For making compost stay with worm castings it is nearly
all humus, nutrient rich and has more
friendly microbes than EJ cat has ever seen. If you think worm castings
are expensive set up your own worm farm then
you control what goes in and comes out and costs nothing. These are just
my own opinions and hope they help a little!
Your reply to the troll made my day I think I'm going to archive it even though I didn't see the troll post haha.
Budm have you got pgp sorted yet? Could you drop me a line I cant keep
track of where you are coming from, no reply
from the last two.
All the best Ot1
TOPIC - hermies
DATE - 21:44:18 6/14/99
FROM - trelaway
Vic--I've thought about this a bit but didn't talk about it much cause
I didn't want to fan troll fire at can com.
I think the herms were my fault. the blues not going herm in the same grow
was the confusing aspect to this problem,
the inclination being it couldn't be the grow if the more sensitive plants
stayed mono-gender, however; I bought a new
light half way thru veg -- I went from a tired 400mh to a brand new 600hps.
You may recall me saying that the roms drooped badly for a week under the
new light and recovered slowly while the
blues came to life under it. For perspective I went from ~ 1750 lumens/sqft
to 4000. I think introducing the light slower
(from a greater height and then lowering it) would have acclimated the
roms. In short, I think I just shocked the shit out
of them.
So, that's my thought on the Rom going herm in trel's grow.
btw--I got them early dec/98. And...sure, you can smoke me up anytime,
ha.
TOPIC - Cuttingsin the mail
DATE - 19:26:27 6/14/99
FROM - Capn
Of topic but is there a good easy method of sending live cuttings in the
mail? Any help is appreciated. Please e-mail
me. Sorry for the off topic post but need some advice from you guys. This
seems like the most cannabis knowledgable
place on the net.
Peace
Capn
TOPIC - romberry
DATE - 18:08:06 6/14/99
FROM - webfish
Hermies what hermies I grew out 93 romberry, romberryF2, and romberry xbig
bud ,AK47, WW and .75 not one herm,
a few twisters, but no herms...Its a great plant and breeder with its skunky
berry flavor it is very dominant in its
crosses( all crosses were with romberry male)they all had traces of their
mothers but most were at least 60% romberry
flavor...
Vic they sell misters that you hook to a gardenhose they say they reduce
the temp by 15 to 20 degrees fery fine mist
about 25 dollars...Wallmart.
TOPIC - fogging
DATE - 15:34:15 6/14/99
FROM - loop
Vic-just found an article on fogging in the Sept/Oct 98 issue of Practical
Hydroponics and Greenhouse. A bit on the
light side it seems informative. They suggested pumps at 800 psi to get
5-10 micron droplets. Said it can drop
greenhouse temps 15 degreeís with very little change to RH. Maybe for a
small set up you could run an air compressor
to atomize or use a small pressure washer.
TOPIC - more
DATE - 14:38:52 6/14/99
FROM - pi
i also do not baby my plants. they will all experience a wilt at sometime
amd my room has been running hotter than
normal as i lost a wall a/c unit.
as of sat, i have a new 15000 btu a/c unit and will keep temp closer to 75
TOPIC - Vic
DATE - 14:32:47 6/14/99
FROM - pi
Vic, i q'd you more info.
one other thing i forgot 2 mention is that the hermie was not only large
but the internode spacing was similar to haze
and was 2-3 times as long as the internode from the shorter plants. not
sure if there will be amymore hermies but i will
try to keep you informed. are there other characteristics that would be
helpful in id'ing a herm phenotype????????
glad to help
TOPIC - stuff
DATE - 14:17:09 6/14/99
FROM - loop
Thunderheart- thanks for the info. Figured it should be ok but what I didnít
want to have is the aluminum break down
and poison my res. Stainless would be the way to go but $$$$. My first
thought was to use coiled copper tube but I
remember reading in HT (known for its accurate info ;-)) that you could
give your plants copper poisoning. The water
lines into my place are all copper, but maybe it different with an acidic
recycling solution. Anyone?
Chronic man- Sorry to hear about your water-cooled experience (worked fine
except the cooling part). I donít think it
would add that much to your water bill, mine just dribbles through although
my water source is quite cold. Iíll measure
the flow when I get a chance. Iíve changed the quick release water lines
to the Gardena (sp?) brand which are a higher
quality. I do move the lights so I clamped the hose to the top of my reflector
to reduce strain at the joint. So far so good
but its only been days. Hope to get the ladies under soon.
180- thanks for the kind words. After I wrote that I was hoping it didnít
come across as a ìwonder of meî thing. Just
trying to say thereís lots of ways of obtaining a goal. OT1 and Vic are
THE high yield champs. People should pick
methods that match their space, lights, goals and personalities.
The stadium thing really is a great set-up. It allows you to put fans on
the floor and blow up through the plants. Keeps
the co2 off the floor and really allows you to pack them in.
RE hermies: It just me or does it all ways seem that the very best looking
plant is the one most likely to go herm?
Maybe that why it stays in the gene pool when most of us breed for vigor.
Vic- I also got one full-blown herm out of my romberry beans for HS (7
females, 2 males one herm).
That said I also got one from the AK, one out of the romulan and 2 from
the rom/big. They were all brought up in a very
stressed environment. I grew the mothers; them hacked them to pieces, then
put them in with the males under 12/12 in
a high ozone environment so I figure I did pretty well.
TOPIC - Romberry Surprise Pics
DATE - 11:57:49 6/14/99
FROM - Bud Bundy
Some Rom Surprise pics have been posted over at the cann.com binaries.
TOPIC - pi
DATE - 10:39:46 6/14/99
FROM - Vic High
hey how did you let that Bi get past your guards? That sucks bud. When
growing something new I always watch for
those confused plants. Say, can you remember where, when and how you got
the seeds? Treleway - I know the how
and where, just not the when.
As a result of my meeting with Romulan Joe, I learned that one of my "romulan"'s
sisters gives off a few hermie
offspring while the sister herself is stable. We both agreed that blueberry
was susceptable to turning hermie when
stresses. The it seems that the deck was stacked against romberry in the
hermie department and that we have been
lucky with how clean they have been.
I've done two batches of romberry to date and did extensive growouts on
the first batch but not so much on the second
batch. On the first batch, out of over 200 plants, I had 1 full blown hermie
and six speudo hermies. These were
explained in detail in the past. Not bad results but definately room for
improvement. Having a hermie pop up here and
there is something I expected but trelaway's results has caused some concern.
I'm worried that my blueberry males
got screwed up and a different one was used on the second batch. That is
the only thing I can think of that could be
different between the two batches.
Pi - thanks for the feedback. I need the bad news as much as the good news to move forward.
Trelaway - In my books I still owe you bud.
TOPIC - curious
DATE - 09:23:08 6/14/99
FROM - Vic High
I'm sorry if you were offended by my deletions. I have no problem excercising
censorship here. I think most long time
visitors will say it has been fair and as unpolitical as possible. If you
look around the net you will find the best sites are
the one that have the most censorship. It's sad but a fact of life here.
There was a previous post by someone pointing
out that this was a public board. I would like to correct this. Sure it
is open to the public but it isn't own by the public. It
is paid for and maintained by me. If it makes it easier to understand,
think of this as my home. It's not too much to
understand someone asking another to leave their house if their comments/actions
are unwelcome.
Your followup post is off topic but excellent. I will leave it up but if
it attracts much more attention, I will just delete the
lot.
TOPIC - Vic, why edit out that post?
DATE - 08:37:27 6/14/99
FROM - Curious George
I suppose leaving that claimed DEA thing up might be bad for business,
but it removes all context from what I posted
in response. ( If that one stays up.)
The whole thing is so weird ... doesn't surprise me so much as dismay me.
Has this kind of crap been going on regularly? Having just found this part
of the Web recently, I'm clueless about prior
history of these sites.
The best policy is probably the old saw : " Believe nothing that you read
or hear, and half of what you see."
TOPIC - Dear "Ted " -
DATE - 07:59:19 6/14/99
FROM - Curious George
In the first place, if you actually are an on-duty officer of some sort
or another, any unannounced visit to our home will
find a wonderful organic garden full of veggies but no cannabis at all.
Sorry. You can forget about "adopting the seizure"
or other draconian measures.
Secondly, I understand that you probably are under a lot of stress, and
that like all members of your profession you're
running a higher risk of divorce, depression, and suicide. It can't be
an easy job enforcing these tight-ass puritan laws,
and having to work with slimy snitches every day must make coming to work
even more of a chore.
Like any other worker, you try to get by with the easiest, most risk free,
level of performance that will still keep the
boss off your ass. We both know that compared to other aspects of your
work, busting and/or harrassing home
growers is as easy as it ever gets. ( When was the last time you asked
the boss for a Heroin assignment?)
Postings messages like you did probably relieves some of the stress, and
gives you an outlet for your frustrations.
Fine, go for it. But please drop the implicit or implied threats.
If you'd like to begin a dialogue on the subject, you're probably welcome to post here. ( But it's not my call.)
We both know by now that it's absolutely impossible to stop or even put
a crimp in the pot trade, ( or any other drug for
that matter ), and that even your very best efforts are doomed to failure.
That can't be good for your self-esteem.
You're bosses have chosen to reject science in favor of a policy of pure
superstition that results in a vast waste of
limited resources on what is essentially a non-problem. You are wasting
the public money on a Quixotic crusade that
flies in the face of science in a manner that's strangely reminiscent of
the Inquisition
Aren't you embarassed by the overwhelming weight of scientific evidence
that makes shreds of the "official" party line
on cannabis?
Although the gene pool could use a little chlorine from time to time, allowing
free access to medication and intoxicants
probably isn't the way to go. There is no doubt that there is some good,
neccessary, work that needs to be done by the
DEA. However, this ignorant crusade against cannibis is certainly not one
of them.
The Declaration of Independence is our guide. We have been endowed by the
Creator with the right to Life, Liberty,
AND the pursuit of happiness.
Do you believe otherwise?
TOPIC - vic, swimmer, george, loop
DATE - 07:25:01 6/14/99
FROM - 180
vic, looks like the assholes arrive, see (and delete) post by "DEA" below.
may all trolls twist in the wind!
swimmer, your basic, newbie information can be found at www.weedbase.com.
it's a great source for "beginner" Q & A,
and they have a FAQ (frequently asked questions) that will probably cover
all your Q's.
curious george, i agree with that comment about spookbusters being "jibby".
the character assassination and circular
logic of that guy's rants have very little basis in reality.
of course, he will probably now post something to the effect that "180
is greenman, the DEA-spam loser," or something
like that, hehehe.
actually it's sad, because there are probably psychotropic medications
that could help this person past their
unreasoning paranoia....
loop, congrats on the excellent yield. it seems that the highest yielding
gardens (sqft, watt) are those that are "shaped"
like yours, using closely packed plants in (relatively) smaller containers;
in other words, "enhanced" SOG setups.
from his posts i gather that Oldtimer1 uses a similar system. i once joked
that his setup allows NO lumens to escape
the garden (so it would be DARK in the grow until you parted the wall of
plants around the lamps ;-)). it makes sense
that you would get kickass yield from this sort of arrangement, as it catches
most of the light before it can reach the
walls and reflect back (at lower intensity). unfortunately, given the size
and shape of my grow, and the size of plants i
like to grow, this won't work for me. i used to be closer to SOG, but it
wasn't yielding the size and density of cola that i
want (small plants in small containers yield [comparatively] small colas).
but, that said, congrats again on the yield,
you are obviously no slouch :-)
laughing at the dea...
TOPIC - romberry report
DATE - 04:56:59 6/14/99
FROM - pi
started 12 seeds
-most vigoruos seeds i have EVER germed .... hours not days
-they look like immature seeds i would not pick. you were right Vic...
surprised the hell out of me.
-5 males, 6 females and one big bad hermie that seeded some of my garden
at 2 weeks under 1212.(((((
the herm seemed to be of a diff phenotype than the other females(i hope).
it was the biggest and prettiest plant and
had both male and female parts in abundance. i have another rom that looks
to be the same phenotype and bears
watching.
TOPIC - water-cooled lights...
DATE - 00:56:26 6/14/99
FROM - chronic man
My experience with them wasn't a good one. I had problems cooling them.
I think if I could've used city water, it would
have worked well, but the cost of water here in Seattle is a little high.
If I was paying the bill, it might have been okay,
but my landlord pays it. Other than the cooling problem, I think they are
great. One thing though,
I'm thinking that they might not be all that great on a sun
circle. Whenever the water connection at the light was moved, water tended
to leak. I would think that if the lights were
constantly moved, they would leak. (But I may
be wrong). Vic, I'm waiting for my Romberry, and am eager to check it out.
One thing, is Romberry a smelly strain?
Thats one thing that hasn't been a problem yet. I also ordered some shiskaberry,
and after reading about the hermies
related to this strain, I'm hopin that wont be a problem with this strain.
One thing I've noticed, it could be that
alot of the hermie related problems that people have had could have been
due to early flowering. Anyways, cool
board...see ya
TOPIC - Thanks for the feedback ...
DATE - 22:05:58 6/13/99
FROM - Curious George
Thanks ... whatever your nick is ... ( one figure, and it's too small for
me to read ) ...
At any rate, I'll consider those dry ingredients in those proportions.
The manure tea idea might work in a fairly small
bucket like that. I Know it will have a GodAwful Stink if precautions are
not taken. Using one of the bio-active bacteria
products on the manure prior to the soak might make it manageable.
There's another little trick I'll be trying out in this regard soon, and
will report the results in a while . ( Stench Reduction
has to be a priority if you use manure in a back yard container garden.
)
By the way, if you don't have access to a farm or stockyard, and you're
buying bags of "steer manure" at a garden
shop, might as well save yourself a hassle and get the composted variety.
The stuff marked "steam dried" isn't broken
down at all and will both stink And burn plants.
If you can get to a stockyard or friendly neighborhood barn, go for the
sheep or goat stuff if you can find it, and cow if
you can't, but for the love of all that is Holy, Don't get pig stuff! Even
if it's old, completely dry, and broken down, as
Soon as it gets wet in your garden it will stink.
TOPIC - Loop, Vic, 180 et al
DATE - 16:28:15 6/13/99
FROM - Low yielder
What a great bunch of posts that have me started thinking in a number of
new directions. In September will experiment
with scrog at 40 watts/ft, a stadium grow under~33 watts/ft and a bush
grow at 40 watts/ft. Will veg for 3-4 weeks and
flower 8 with a variety of my own accidental creation ( mother is sativa
x indica no namer from a Vancouver island
friend, father is a HempBC '96 mighty mite). Romberry and C99 are in the
process of being obtained as I have to know
whether the hype is true or not).
As the navajo say, walk in beauty
TOPIC - Loop
DATE - 15:55:19 6/13/99
FROM - Thunderheart
Loop,
I work with anodized aluminum and i don't think it would break down in
your res. We soak our parts in both regular h2o
as well as DI water. No problems to speak of. The only issue is that this
would be in the water permanently, but even
then i think your chances are good. Hope this helps.
TH
TOPIC - organic
DATE - 13:27:32 6/13/99
FROM - t2
curious george the newer powdered fish on the market is a very economical
source of n and quite soluble. the brand i've
been using is mermaid's fish powder. another company called foliagro makes
a formulation for a foliar as well as one to
mix in your soil. also kelp meal mixed in your soil will provide k. i make
a powdered fertilizer mix of 2 parts blood,3
parts bone,1 part kelp meal,and i part lime. i add a couple cups to each
wheel barrow of soil mix which is basically
equal parts peat,perlite,and compost.
a really cheap tea that works can be made with a pillowcase, a shovelful
of aged compost/manure and a 5 gallon
bucket of water. soak the pillowcase like a tea bag in the sun for a couple
days then use enuff of this per gallon of fresh
water to give it an amber color
TOPIC - water cooled info
DATE - 11:51:05 6/13/99
FROM - loop
KGB- the lights are the argi-cool pro series (the plastic jacket ones).
Still not sure if I made the right decision not
getting the classic (machined aluminum end pieces with glass jacket), only
time will tell. The pro series were cheaper
($320 can each for everything except bulb, ballast and hood). I believe
you can buy it with the hood and standard HPS
for about $440. I presently have it set up in run to waste. Water supply
in goes through a solenoid (connected to the
light cycle) then a dropping regulator (25 psi) then through a 5-micron
water filter. The flow of water through is like a
slow drunken piss stream (almost dribbles). I get an added bonus by running
part of the cold water supply through a
small rad that I put in my res. By adjusting the bypass I can control the
res. temp. Seems to work well so far but it
only been a couple of days. Side note, does anyone know if anodized aluminum
will break down in the res.?
Old bud: I donít have a five light sun twist, thatís only a pipe dream,
but I suspect it would be perfect for about a 13í
round-ish grow. Iím in complete agreement with vic on multiple light being
better than the sum of there parts as well as
mixed spectrum and moving them greatly increasing there effectiveness.
I made my own reflectors because of the kind of odd set up I have (stadium).
The reflectors look upside down like a v
instead of a ^. I also mount a 400 MH and a 4í uv bulb on same reflector
with a glass barrier to protect the plastic
jackets from the uv.
Regarding yields- 2 pounds per lamp of high quality bud is very do-able
IMHO. I disagree with the need for large pots
and long veg times to do it (but you do have to pay the price of having
more plants). My past favorite method was 5 litre
pails (about 9î round) filled with coco coir, perlite and an organic mix
with two plants per pail. I once had a 5í1/2 x 5í x
51/2î grow box with 36 pails feed with 1/8î line with no drip emitters.
The plants were set up in a V type arrangement
(stadium) with the steps only being about 6î.
1400 watts (1000 air-cooled) on a mover (only moved about 16î). From just
rooted clones Iíd veg about 7-10 days. With
shisk I flower 42 days with co2. Yield = just under 3lbs of primo bud.
So even I you count 160 watts used for clones,
that still over 2lb per 1000 per 52 days. Never did prefect that method
but I believe itís possible to get at least 20%
more. I really donít care less if anyone believes this or not but this
is a good method so take it for what its worth.
Jay- never had a bulb die on me but I believe the silver stuff is mercury
used to fire the lamp. Its there in the brand new
bulbs, maybe you just didnít notice it?
grow safe
TOPIC - Liquid-Organic Recipe? Any Suggestions?
DATE - 11:09:13 6/13/99
FROM - Curious George
If anyone has suggestions on how to avoid paying absurdly high prices for
liquid organic solutions for use in soil or
hydro growing, let's hear about it.
( At this point, buckets of tomatos, peppers, & salad greens, are the
intended use, but such a combination should
apply to every organic garden.)
The organic "teas" I've attempted to use in the past all seem to have one
major problem : significant percentages of the
stuff won't break down when water is added. It just won't disolve, and
there's no telling how much is getting to the
plants with subsequent waterings if you just dump this residue on top.
If you save and soak the remaining granuals and
use them again, there's no way to tell how much is left, and whether or
not it's balanced.
So, the trick seems to be making as much of the available "goodies" go
into solution as possible. I think that problem
has been licked ( and will reveal the process in a future post if it works
out ). But what I need right now is a good
recipe. Blood meal, worm castings, or fish emulsion for Nitrogen ? Bone
meal for Phospherous ? What should be used
for for Potash? Liquid Seaweed could probably supply the
micro-nutrients, or would soaking kelp meal be any better? Perhaps a small
dash of Superthrive? What's your
suggestion?
If regular fish emulsion isn't the answer, I'd like to try a cheaper alternative
to worm castings for Nitrogen and hope that
"Milorganite" will be the answer. There used to be warnings on the label
about possible heavy metal content, but
evidently there is no problem on that score now.
For those of you who are unfamiliar with "Milorganite", it is a dry, granual,
activated sewer sludge product, packaged
and sold by the City of Milwaukee Sewer District. It's available nationwide
in 50 lb bags at a price that's a tiny fraction
of bat guano or worm castings.
There was a rave review in the July issue of High Times for a product called
"Earth Juice Catalyst". Are there any other
products that supply microbes? Any way to make your own ? Has anyone had
experience with this product?
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:57:52 6/13/99
FROM - jay
hello everybody,you to danbo,haha hows the camo man doin..?
has anybody had an uv ozone tube burn out on them..?i had one go yesterday,only
6 months old..one end is all
chromy,soldery colored on the inside of the tube...very weird...
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:08:57 6/13/99
FROM - Vic High
OT - you are welcome to some space here. Good to see you again, was getting
concerned that all was alright.
TOPIC - yields
DATE - 08:05:36 6/13/99
FROM - Vic High
One of the big differences in numbers floating around is the number of
lights used and the way the lights are used.
Marc and others are coming from the perspective of growing under a single
stationary light. That works but it is far from
production.
AFOAF was using a perpetual system so in a sense he was getting a crop
every 8-10 weeks. What he's never factored
into his calculations is the 2000w he was using in the veg room. One of
the reasons is that the size of the flower room
was always fluctuating between 5-8 lights roughly. Veg room was always
2000 (often used wastefully) So say he
reported 3.6 lbs per light and had 8 lights going in flower room. Then
if you factor in the veg room watts, he was only
getting 3.6 x 8/10 = 2.88 pounds per light. Similarly 4 pounds could be
calculated to be 3.2. But was only taking 8-10
weeks to do it.
If you want production, then using your flower room to veg is a waste of
resources, IMO. One compromise is to do the
initial slower vegging in small pots (I like these little green 6" pots
that hold about 2 cups soil) and grow them to about
8-12" in the clone box/bench. This can easily be done under flos and vastly
improve efficiency of the HIDs, cutting veg
time under them to about 2-4 weeks depending on how big you want to get.
180 brought up another good point about bud quality. Yes the higher number
take into account all bud top to bottom
worth taking the time to manicure (weight wise). Simply buds are manicured
and then hung for a week until bone dry.
They are then bagged with a few fresh leaves thown in to soften the buds
enough so they don't turn to shake. Once
softened, leaves are removed and bud thoroughly mixed. Then the buds are
packed together. This causes the small
loose fluffy bottom buds to stick to the upper quality nugs. Sure this
isn't the best product my friend could produce but
it still fetches a dollar higher than than average. It's not the best out
there but in production, only a fool would want to
be moving the best. Lots of foolish pride in this industry and if a guy
can get the best, he often brags about it.
When talking yields you are dealing with two very diverse groups. Your
are therefore going to get very diverse answers.
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:43:49 6/13/99
FROM - oldtimer1
180 I don't know what I can say about yields per 1k of lighting you know
what I have said about that in the past! I stand
by it! Most of my strains are sat heavy and may not produce what you would
call primo bud, generally they are softer
in makeup than even p88, barring HD and HL which are dense and hard in
structure. Anyhow I think you will have to
see them in the flesh to believe hehe.
For those of you that had access to my pictures pages, tripod have chucked
me out for posting pick's of cannabis
sativa! I did a quick search for cannabis sites at tripod and came up with
2888 sites in the community with cannabis in
the url every thing from grow sites, med sites, picture sites to if you
smoke it you will go mad! Why they had to pick on
my unlisted page apart from the fact they were good picks I haven't a clue.
So I'm looking for a new space hopefully
one that is a little more secure.
All the best Ot1.
TOPIC - Light, Yield,...
DATE - 06:14:09 6/13/99
FROM - Danbo
I concur with 180. Higher yields come with higher veg
times. That's why my plants produce so much OD's. From
Feb to Aug is 6 months. Add to that 10 weeks of flower time
and you have the big yielders. That's if you make it till the fat lady
sings. Work out a formula that you can live with. We
all have our tricks.D
TOPIC - low yielder
DATE - 05:42:47 6/13/99
FROM - 180
this opinion may be met with some protestations, but i think marc emery
was right about a "good grower" being able to
pull a pound from a 1k (given enough veg time, the right strain, large
enough containers for good rootball, proper air circ
and temps, and proper nutrition), but i think the "2lbs for pros" is a
bit off the mark. for one thing, you'd probably have to
do high-ppm hydro or have a LONG veg time to get the plants big enough:
for another, i doubt that would be 2lbs of
really primo bud; maybe "commercial" quality, but that's a different story.
it also depends on space, and how much
light your strain needs. perhaps in a good-sized space (6'x7' or equiv)
with a low-light strain and a light-mover you could
get 2lbs...perhaps. i've been doing this for awhile and i just don't believe
the claims some people make.
peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 05:37:47 6/13/99
FROM - Danbo
Peaceness , I hope to see you next year as well. Maybe
we can get Vic to this one. The Trip and Holyweed are the same puppy. I
crossed it with Ruderallis to shorten it
some and give it mold resistance. It's now a medium bush with huge colas.
I've had a 4 footer go over 2 lbs. It's still
susceptable to mold though and doesn't finish till week 2 of Oct. All the
auto-flower has been bred out of it.
Vic , The romberry and blueberry are not sure how to handle the Cal sun.
The leaves are pointing straight up .
Surrendering to the lumens? Don't fry me Sherriff! I don't
think they are used to the fert regimine I put the my OD's to. I'm doing
some selective breeding with your Blueberry.
I'm crossing it with Black Domina, hence Danbo's Blackberry
Jam. I'm also making an F-2 of the AK-47 x Kong Ae raved about and mothered.
I'm calling that one "Wilde Mountain
Honey", and it lives up to it's name. It flat outgrows
everything indoors. We'll see how she does OD this season.D
TOPIC -
DATE - 18:33:52 6/12/99
FROM - Low yielder
Pi, thanks for your info. Being the type of hobby it is, getting decent
info on which to compare your own results is very
difficult. Found a thread on cannibis.com where Marc emery states 1 lb
per 1kw light is something a good grower
should expect with 2 lbs for the pros. Doesn't really say much about the
variables, veg time flowering time etc. I am
very much into the maximizing yield per plant on a 3 - 4 1/2 month cycle
as I don't want to grow more than 9 months a
year. The sog, scrog and maxiscrog all sound woth exploring. Vic, How many
Romberry crops do you get out of the 20
watt/ft set up you show? Clones and no CO2? What is your take on Marc's
views on yield? 'nuf for now.
TOPIC - low yielder
DATE - 15:30:00 6/12/99
FROM - pi
6 gal pots is overkill IMHO. i currently have a grow veg'd approx 2 months
with the plants being 2-3 feet tall before
flower. they are now @ 2/4 weeks of budding and are 40"-58" tall in 3 gal
pots. i may downsize to 2 gal(8") or even 1
gal(6")pots next time around. not sure what my yield per sqft is but i
am conservatively expecting at least 2z per plant
or over 5lbs in a 5x9 area.
i use worm castings verm and perlite with 2 1k lights and until yestersday
i had hi heat (85-90). a 15000 btu wall a/c
was installed today. i do not run co2 yet and use nothing fancy. i probably
have 7-8 diff strains in 1212 inluding
romberry.
TOPIC - oil update
DATE - 15:11:25 6/12/99
FROM - pi
re:oil... you can get oil from males and trimmed females in veg. yahoooo
nice taste and very nice intense buzz from this oil. was a little more
green in color than the first and not quite as good
but still well worth the effort. i would think that males will provide
oil for selective breeding purposes and what you do
not smoke can be used as contact cement.)
TOPIC - Low Yielder
DATE - 15:06:35 6/12/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
Low Yielder- Afoaf's first grow was Romberry from seed, three ladies veged
in BCGA's "super soil", in 2 gal pots for 50
days under 400mh, flowered for 50-55 days under 400hps, no Co2 used, there
was a some suplemental organic ferts
used, they were "Bio-Blend 2 part" and "SuperThrive" was used in veg waterings,
allthough they were not nessesary,
you know how begiginers can be, now the understanding about "Organics"
is understood. The three girls yielded a little
over 6ozs. Very impressive for, "first time out the gate".Most notable
impression was the top colas were 12"-14" long
3"-4" wide, and weighed 20-22 grams each dried, with only a 400watt lamp
and no Co2, this newbie thought that was
impressive, and results like that would need more penetration like a 1000watt,
but with most strains that is true, but
one of Roms traits is its abblity to really pull out great results with
low lighting, some folks use 35 watts per sqft with
execellent results. Allthough its great to have a strain do that great
from the start, it really lets you know what is
possiable, hence a lot of strains just cant impress after that. Give Rom
a try Im not to knowledgble of grams to sqft, but
after a few Dutch strains and some other Canadaian genetics, I can say
that Rom is hard to beat, especially when
yield, and top quality are important. Really spoils ya for a fist crop,
but really lets ya discard others quickly. HTH
Peace
PS One of the RSB suprises has BlueBerry for a dad, with out a doubt,short
nodes, discolored smallish leaves, and is
the bitchiest one of the lot, the rest are looking like they had either
the Per Sat or Durban as dads.Ill post a complete
suprise,& Peak19/F2 report next week.
TOPIC - Danbo Guerilla Gardener
DATE - 12:30:49 6/12/99
FROM - Peaceness
Hi Danbo! I had the pleasure of meeting you and smoking out with you last
fall at Nc's. I remember you had told me
about a strain called ruderalis trip and hollyweed that you grew outdoors.
I was wondering what the characteristics of
these plants were outdoors, and what else you are growing out this season.
I was also wondering if you are sill growing
out kong, and if you have since made crosses with it. I myself have decided
to grow outdoors this year and have read
ALL your posts at the weedbase archive.(where have you been?) Any advice/pointers
on outdoor grows would be
appreciated. my plants have been in the ground almost a month now and they
are getting bigger, i dont know what to
expect at the end of the season as far as yield goes. all strains are ones
that greenbear gave me along with a few of
nc's strains. same strains have been grown indoors and are POTENT. other
than that,I really enjoy outdoor so far,
LOTS OF HARD WORK!! Also, what do you think about spring harvests? (plant
in feb, harvest in may?)am at the 34
parallel. Thanks for all the info, hope to see you this year with samples
of my own. :)-Peaceness
p.s. (greenbear, a-1, whats the deal with you guys? long time no hear,
e-mail me and keep in touch. thanks guys!!)
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:18:09 6/12/99
FROM - Vic High
Danbo - good to see ya and thanks.
Anon - yeah sure genetics can play part of the role but many other things
come into play. most of your question is
answered at cannabis.com's advanced page. Feel free to comment or pose
new questions from it if you want more info
from me. I don't want to repeat myself :)
Budm, ICQ me if you can, thanks
TOPIC - Yield
DATE - 11:32:47 6/12/99
FROM - Low yielder
Need advice on increasing yield. Have plants growing from clones in 6 gallon
containers, soil, under 2000 watts mh and
hps (30 watts/ft). Grown 1 month under 18/6 (~15-18") and flowered for
9 weeks. Last 2 harvests came in at 31 oz and
25oz or ~.5 and .35 oz/ft respectively. Is romberry the answer? Or are
the yields I read about on the net the over active
fantasies of waanabes. Help!
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TOPIC - NCGA
DATE - 10:02:22 6/12/99
FROM - Danbo
Vic, I gave NC a phone call and informed him of his pages condition. D
TOPIC - Vic High Hi!
DATE - 09:54:43 6/12/99
FROM - Danbo
Hey can any old crazy people hang around here?
TOPIC - 180 clones
DATE - 08:33:28 6/12/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all,
180- I can name that tune, despensible thriving, vaulable ones dying, truer
words were never spoken;-)
Well the Pan Red is releasing pollen. I think (i hope) it will be a good
sativa to bring Nevils Haze a bit more
manaigablity, as the PR only streached about 8" in flower, it started 12/12
at about 14". Time will tell.
GA- Well either the concentration that is being used is to low, or the
resistance of this Shiske x BigPlum female is very
high, or a bit of each. All the GA's done is elongate the stems. These
two female Shiske x's are strong and were
resistant to some nasty light stressing, that I know would have put most
into hermi. Well so much for GA, im sure it
will get utilized again in the future, im not giving up on trying, just
with this plant.
A great weekend to all;-))
Peace
TOPIC - cloning, diane
DATE - 07:20:48 6/12/99
FROM - 180
hi diane :-)
there are many methods of cloning, but you want to stick to the simple
ones. taking a clone "from a leaf" (tissue
culture) is WAY too slow, complicated, difficult.
many people "top" their plants at some point in their growth, to slow their
upward growth and make them spread. when
this is done, the removed top of the plant can serve as a clone, rather
than being discarded. this is a good way to "save
a copy" of a seedling that you are growing out to flower. after you decide
whether you want to keep the plant (based on
how it turns out in flower), you have that clone to use as a mother plant.
BUT, i would advise taking more than one clone, because clones have a way
of dying when they are important, and
thriving when they are disposable, if you know what i mean...so in addition
to the "top", you might wish to take a
couple lower branches as cuttings, too.
there's alot more info on this subject in the archives at www.weedbase.com,
and ~shabang~ is always glad to help with
newbie q's. check the FAQs, lots of help in cloning. best of luck :-)
peace
TOPIC - cloning
DATE - 04:17:43 6/12/99
FROM - diane
Over at another site someone mentioned
they take a clone by "topping" their plant...
Could someone give me details where exactly
you take a clone? I thought it was from a
bottom leaf.
Also, I read that one tbl. of lemon juice will
lower the ph...that seems like too easy of a
solution for high ph problems.
What do you guys think?
TOPIC - loop_hole
DATE - 22:27:18 6/11/99
FROM - Old Bud
On those water cooled lamps, are you using hoods? How big of an area could
you light with 5 and a sun twist?
TOPIC - Ewchat down?
DATE - 18:36:19 6/11/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey I've been trying to post a correction at NCGA's site but it doesn't
seem to be accepting posts. For those following
the lime thread there this was what I was trying to post.
I've waited all week to post this. I was wrong in my last responce to Baudelaire.
I thought I would wait to give the chem
student a chance to strut his stuff :) I previously posted:
"Yes I suspect there would be an indirect interaction somewhat between
the MgSO3 and CaCO3. The precipitation
(removal) of the Mg++ out of the solution would create an imbalance of
the Ca++ with the SO3- and CO3- levels so the
equilibrium would have to adjust"
According to an article (The pH Perspective)in a recent copy of Practical
Hydroponics & Greenhouses, Ca++ would
would percipitate out of the solution at pH 7.5 and above. This means that
it would have no effect on pH under alkaline
conditions. This means that only MgCO3 (or possibly MgSO3 as Baudelaire
suggested) would be available to affect pH
under alkaline conditions. And it is already known that MgCO3 buffers against
high pH by replacing OH- with CO3- and
precipitate out of solution as Mg(OH)2.
Same result but previous reasoning was wrong.
TOPIC - water-cooled lights
DATE - 12:33:27 6/11/99
FROM - KGB
Hey Loop_Hole, what brand of lights are you using, how much
were they, and are you running to waste or using a radiator?
I'm really interested in this technology as things are
heating up around here quickly....
thanks,
-
TOPIC - Females from Seed? Check it out ...
DATE - 10:59:52 6/11/99
FROM - Curious George
There might be a second way to improve the % ratio of females to males
in a given batch of seeds. In some cases, it
does seem to have moved the plants from the usual female/male ratio of
50/50 closer to a 80/20 ratio or better.
It might work for you ... and it can't hurt.
Here's the deal : Sprout the seeds and get them started in small pots or
cups. Place under bright flourescent lights
until they have developed 3 sets of true leaves, plus one growing tip on
the top.
Then, twice a day, AM & PM, for 3 days in a row, spray the top and
the undersides of the leaves with a soaking mist of
standard fish-emulsion solution ( 1 Tablespoon per gallon ).
( Have been told not to overdo it since much more of the spray tends to
produce hermaphropdites.) That's it .... pretty
simple, and it sure smells bad ...
Post the results if you try it. : )
Oh yeah, almost forgot ... the first way to do it ....
It is possible to achieve 100% female plants from any given batch of seedlings
( at least according to published papers
in the botanical literature ). However, there is one little problem ...
the substance that achieves the effect is very
hazardous to people exposed to it. In fact, in high enough concentrations,
it's lethal.
It won't hurt the plants, or have any effect on the contents of the resulting herb, but it's just not worth the risk.
So, in order to be consistant, I won't let the cat out of the bag ... take
my word for it ... I tried, I screwed-up,
I got sick. ( The method was intended for small plants or seedlings, and
we tried to do it on 6 footers way the hell out in
the boonies! Muy stupido !)
With the coming of the clone, getting all the seeds to go female just isn't That important anymore ... .
TOPIC - pizza; co2
DATE - 05:01:35 6/11/99
FROM - 180
pizza, co2 is heavier than air, so usually the kit set-ups have emitter
tubing that you hang above the tops of the
plants...or behind the fan. if you pump it in at the botom of the space,
it is likely to just sit there.
TOPIC - co2
DATE - 02:04:07 6/11/99
FROM - pizza
is there a certain place a person should put the outlet for inducing co2
into my little gardenany suggestions
TOPIC -
DATE - 22:20:40 6/10/99
FROM - trelaway
ukcblaze-I'd just pick them a bud at a time. When a 3/4 of a bud's hairs
turn, cut it off. Or, you can harvest the top half
of the plant first then, lower the light, and give the bottom another three
weeks.
The finishing times are only estimates. I finished some blueberries a few
months back, two were done at 8 weeks, the
others at 11.
TOPIC - First Timer
DATE - 19:29:57 6/10/99
FROM - ukcblaze
Hi, I hope this question doesnt make me sound too naive. I am growing for
the first time and purchased a pack of
Romulan Suprise from BCGA. I have a grow space of 2 foot by 2 foot and
am in the forth week of flowering two females.
I am using a 400 watt sodium at 12 on and 12 off. One of my plants is showing
lots of dark red/purple hairs well the
other still has very green hairs. I believe the flowering time for the
Romulan Surprise is 10 weeks, so I am hesitent to
pick the fruit. Can someone give me some advise??? please Email me at UKCBLAZE@HOTMAIL.COM.
Thanks
TOPIC - staying cool and tanning my babies
DATE - 18:04:42 6/10/99
FROM - loop_hole
Vic- I would tend to agree with blazer about the water vapor not effecting
the bulb. Of course with no direct experience
two IMHOís = squat. I donít think youíll need extremely high pressure to
atomize the water (although It would be
easier). You could be the one to invent the HVLP of foggers. When I was
looking for misters for my aero setup last
year, la.bud (I think) had a link to some very nice misters (brass) that
where made for fogging. Donít have the link but I
think laís still around.
Other options for cooling would be to run a car radiator in a run to waste
or circulating system with a swamp cooler.
Would help keep humidity down. Perhaps not as efficient, but a system you
can use is always more efficient then one
you cant :)
Been setting up the water-cooled lights this week and these things are
incredible. Shocking how little water is needed
and how cool the jackets are. Weíll see how they grow. Had to set up a
glass barrier between the UV-b and the plastic
jacket so I donít destroy my investment. An easy way to keep your room
cool would to get the sun twist and run
water-cooled lights. AhÖ a five light water-cooled sun twist. If I only
had the balls/time/energy. That would be seriously
fun.
Please keep me informed with your UV experience and Iíll do the same. Not
a lot of info floating around. If you want to
keep that kind of info off this board, just say so. BTW, the bulbs you
have are the exact same ones Iím using. Havenít
put the plants under yet, hopefully this weekend.
Re- potency and UV. I came to the conclusion based on my experience from
going from MH to MH air cooled to hps
then to air cooled hps with a few 400 mh thrown in. There is always variables
and my results are far from scientific, but
I found that the more UV in the room the stronger the product. Even if
itís all in my mind, this is a hobby (not a
business) for me and I love to play. Iíve very aware of the dangers associated
and take the necessary precautions. I
donít find it to be unnatural though, just adding to the light spectrum.
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:46:13 6/10/99
FROM - Vic High
KGB - the questions about specific strains belongs more on one of teh public
sites such as Cannabis.com. I prefer to
keeps things a little more generic here (strain wise) to avoid egos getting
bruised and all the crap that goes with it.
Om Mani Padme -email me and we'll see what we can do. Feezing is the best
for long term storage but it does hurt the
viability rate. bcga@mailcity.com
TOPIC - blue moonshine
DATE - 12:48:11 6/10/99
FROM - stonerg
I have limited experience but I will say it doesn't get any denser.
TOPIC - Blue Moonshine??
DATE - 12:29:39 6/10/99
FROM - KGB
Howdy all -
Looking to vary my crop a bit, and I asked Marc Emery what
would be the stickiest, frostiest, rock-hardest buds around.
He said Blue Moonshine, a White Widow hybrid, without a
doubt. So does anyone have any experience with this strain?
Please help with your input.
Thanks in advance,
-
TOPIC - Freezer Beans eh? Om Mani Padme
DATE - 12:06:02 6/10/99
FROM - Blazer
That sounds very interesting strain wise, sounds like someone has kept
some killer lineage around thankfully! I wonder
how the freezer effects storage opposed to refridgeration? I'd think that
frozen 1's wouldn't stay viable as long, but I have
nothing to back that up. The fridge has done Me VERY well in the past for
several years of storage w/ great germ rates.
Om Mani Padme If Vic doesnt bite on that offer and some info on lineage
is available, We here know several growers
that would love to keep the "strains of old" pure and growing to be spread
through out Our lil coop. We've been able to
keep several strains up and running as no 1 person had the room for them
all, but share cuttings whenever needed
assuring it's existence all along. Food for thought anyhow.
Blazer
TOPIC - Vic - switcheroo ?
DATE - 11:50:16 6/10/99
FROM - Om Mani Padme
There are several batches of beans that have been stored in a freezer for
almost too long. Their breeding lines go back
quite a ways. However, we aren't able to properly take care of this legacy,
and would very much like to see that the
lines are carried forward.
Do any of the BCGA members have an inclination to try them?
No strings attached, no expectations. ( Though feedback on how they do,
and how they compare, would be
appreciated. )
We'd be happy to send a batch or two, if it's cool. Would sending them
to one of your seed brokers work? If so, which
one? There are at least two BC brokers shown on the site. Is there any
preferable address? ( I recall that Marc Emery's
site shows multiple addresses to receive orders. )
If it's a hassle on your end for any reason, or poses a security hazard, we'll just shine it on and keep smiling.
Best wishes ...
TOPIC - Vic. 180, Breeding
DATE - 10:24:38 6/10/99
FROM - Blazer
Vic I have seen the misters You're talking about and the heat from the
lamp evaporates the 10micron sized h2o drops
IMO b4 they hit the lights. I think misters will work awesome coupled w/
a lil extra circulation to keep any h2o from
accumilating anywhere.
180 Killer answers to those posts! Thanks for answering them and saving
My fingers!;) We are getting to be quite
packed full of knowledge these days eh? Keep up the killer work Mi Amigo!
Breeders...Man I tell You from expirience that it's no "cup of tea" by
anymeans. The variances seen are just incredible
and that isn't always cool. It seems every cross I made, the 1's I expect
to be "stable" are not and vise versa. An old
friend of Ours(Nestaa) claims His keepers are almost a 1 inna million shot
seed wise and I'm finding damn near the
same thing. It's a major crapshoot, for example. I ordered 5 diffewrent
strains from Amsterdam 3 years ago, Jack
Herrer, Jack Flash, AK47, Kali Mist and NL#5. I ended up keeping only 1
seedling from those seed packs after growing
them out! 1 AK47 cut the mustard while ALL the others hit the trashcan
and these are "stable F1's" via Serious and
Sensi seed co.'s. And oddly enough, the majority of strains that I have
gotten via American/Canadian buddies that also
breed have proven to be MUCH more stable than the exspensive 1's(MCW and
NLW were and are 2 keepers aswell
IMO). I'll never buy any seeds again from a seedbank. I've passed out several
MCW seeds and almost every single
person has reported the exact same results as Myself. I still don't understand
why, maybe luck of the draw..Who
knows for sure?
I'm getting ready to germ some Grimm white shark and Ice Princess soon
via Brothers Grimm, I'm betting they blow
away the dutch shit. I'll keep You all posted.
Be Safe and Stay Free Friends,
Blazer
TOPIC - Politics
DATE - 10:06:45 6/10/99
FROM - nl420
Hey Vic wassup... Do you have a link source for that story on The US Gov.
giving Canada marijuana for Canadian Med
trials?.. What an Oxymoron..
8-)_~~
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:50:58 6/10/99
FROM - Vic High
Crane - yes a very big thanks from me as well. Your post helped answer
one of my questions. Is fogging technology
economically feasable for the small grower? Ithinkfor the small 1 -2 lightgrower
that simple air movement should get the
job done with maybe the suplement of a homemade swamp cooler. Still looking
further into it but it seems fogging
would be more practical for the larger scale grower. Another question I'm
still working on is "will teh fog be hazardous
on the lamps?". My hunch is that the water particles will be small enough
to avoid the explosive reaction but ?? Was
going to ask around at larger commercial greenhouses but I guess they don't
use the supplimental lighting during the
hot summer months. Kinda got lotsaflight already, haha.
180 & irish- couldn't say it better myself. I think female come first
as you said but I always get that mixed up. I seem to
recall that I fluked out and named romberry according to convention though.
Another difference in the crosses in
addition to the sexlinked genes is the cytoplasmic linked genes. There
are many traits that are passed along in the
cytoplasm and not part of the DNA. I think the chloroplasts fit into that
catagory but not positive off the top of my head.
The first year basics kinda got lost in the 3rd and 4th year details butI
think it is cytoplasmic RNA that is also being
passed along by the maternal parent.
Politics - our federal government has decided to buy medical marijuana
from teh US until they can find a Canadian
company that can economically and reliably supply them with quality herb.
Going to be used to conduct "true scientific
trials" on it's medical effectivness. Double ROTFLMAO. A side bonus is
that two med patients have been given the
compasionate ok to grow and use cannabis.
TOPIC - irish, seymore, crane
DATE - 07:25:32 6/10/99
FROM - 180
irish, vic would probably be more sure on this, but i believe the female
in the cross comes first (exs: NLW is a NLights
mom x male Widow; MCW is a M.Mite x Chemo mom x male Widow. most commercial
breeders don't inform you as
to the sex of the parents, but i think F x M is the convention.
and YES, you will possibly see different results in breeding between 2
strains (#1 & #2) if you use different sexes in
breeding, i.e, #1F x #2M might turn out different than #2F x #1M. when
breeding WITHIN a strain that is already
"stabilized" by backcrossing, you would see less difference...
note that i use the word "possibly". the results you get are gonna depend
on a number of factors, such as which traits
of a given strain happen to be "sex-linked", how much the 2 strains you
are x-ing have in common genetically, etc.
breeding is always a crapshoot until you are familiar with the plants you
work with. it's a gamble at best to make broad
statements about the genetic performance of weed, because it has a fairly
large genome for a plant and is VERY varied
in its phenotypic expression.
for instance, the old saw about F1 offspring being "uniform" is a generalization
that breaks down pretty rapidly after
you've seen a few batches of F1 seedlings. sure they're uniform, compared
to F2's! but there's still LOTS of variation,
which is how we pick our best mom out of a batch of seedlings...
seymore, the air-layering technique should work, but it probably would
be easier to take a tray of cuttings and root
them, than to try to do it on the plant! outdoors they are subject to so
much variation in temp and humidity, light, etc.
good luck!
crane, speaking as "one of the loquacious", i assure you that your post
is appreciated for its lucidity and quality info.
btw, do you use a mac? af's got the same "cut-off" problem with his mac...
peace and bounteous harvests!
TOPIC - breeding questions
DATE - 22:41:31 6/09/99
FROM - irish
when listing a name for a strain, are names created in order of male x
female or f x m? very curious.and would the
results from both have different results. (true breeding strains)
TOPIC - updates
DATE - 21:29:51 6/09/99
FROM - Vic High
sorry to anyone who got deleted. Just fixing a few links and archiving
most of this page. Links to archives is fixed as
well but links between archive pages are still not working properly so
you will have to rely on your browser's Back
button for going backwards.
TOPIC - air-layering technique
DATE - 17:45:36 6/09/99
FROM - seymore buds
Hey !! cool site. Anyways me and a friend are doing the grow thing outdoors
in CA. The plants are coming along fine,
but we want to take cuttings from them and grow them in a hydroponic system
(a pyraponic system fromthe mid
eighties when you could still get seeds mailed to the U.S.). Anyways,we
were wondering if the cuttings could be gotten
successfully using the ancient air-layering method that is in the Western
Garden book. Keep up the good work and
thanks in advance. :)
TOPIC - Variable Potency Cycle ...
DATE - 10:19:33 6/09/99
FROM - Curious George
There seem to be a lot of postings on-line about "curing" and/or "drying"
herb, & how different methods might affect
taste and potency. Also, there have been discussions ( on other boards
) of the differing types of high that certain
strains will produce. Some are "up", or "cerebral", while others are described
as having a "down" or "narcotic" buzz.
Sativa vs Indica, and the timing of the harvest, are said to have the most
influence on these traits.
More work needs to be done. When the U.S. government was growing cannibis
for research in Oxford, Mississippi, one
of the things they did was track the constituent elements of the plant
on a regular basis. We all know that the
THC/CBN/CBD ratios of a plant can change on a weekly and monthly basis
... however, studies at Oxford found that
the numbers also varied daily And Hourly!! As I recall, the highest numbers
were found in early morning, and went up
and down several times during the day, but not quite returning to the early
AM levels.
Here's the big question : If the plant material is cut off the stem in
the early AM, and placed in total darkness, will the
metobolism of the plant stop at that point, preserving the THC/CBD ratios
where they were when cut, or will it continue
to change the levels and ratios until it "dies"?
TOPIC - x10 Home Automation for 5.90$
DATE - 10:13:02 6/09/99
FROM - Blazer
ALL If You ever wanted to see what a x10 system can do, they are now having
a 24hr. promo where they are selling the
software, interface, 2 diff. modules and a hand hald deal for 5.90$!!!!!www.x10.com/free_fire.htm
That's the place to look
and order, they also have a 1-800 # there too. Get on it folks cuz I dont
think there are too many hours left on this deal.
It's wicked, You could control everything in Your home or grow or both
via Your pc w/ this unit. It can be programmed to
page or call You when a problem arises!ie. light not on or breaker probs...whatever
You can think of. Check it out
Friends, Blaze
TOPIC - extras...
DATE - 21:14:55 6/08/99
FROM - crane
sorry guys, the end of my messages always get cut off. And
they show up in a narrow column (on my machine anyhow)
making them look evn more longwinded than they are ;-) It's
my browser I guess since it does it to web email too...
Anyhow I meant to say that fungi perfecti place is south of
the border to vancouver growers and being a specialty
suplier, pricy... but they're friendly by email and might
answer some questions at least. They seem to have the
nozzles you're after Vic, and you're right, they're brass.
Money's Mushrooms here in the valley would probably point
you to a local suplier if you give them a call. Good luck
with it!
TOPIC - wine-making
DATE - 19:00:52 6/08/99
FROM - drA
hey, t2, i made wine for many years before i got into gardening, some of
it was actually quite good and what you
couldn't drink went into the still and made some kick-ass white lightning.
i won't clutter up the page with a long OTP,
check your mail!
TOPIC - Fogger sources / mister pressure etc
DATE - 17:21:56 6/08/99
FROM - crane
Vic - mushroom growers use all kinds of foggers (ultrasonic
and mechanical) to create the humidity needed for their
rooms, so mycology supply places might be another place to
check out. I know they have systems serious enough to fog
large 'greenhouse' shaped spaces.
The largest mushroom farms use steam, which is no use to
you, but many use "atomizing" misters in a separate room.
The air flows in through this room before entering the main
grow. According to Paul Stamets & J.S. Chilton in "The
Mushroom Cultivator" - "An appropriate nozzle emits 0.5-1.0
gallon per hour at 20-30 psi."
Home mushroom growers use utrasonic humidifiers (widely
available) which atomize water down to the low micron size
you're after. To put that in perspective, a rain drop
averages 6000 microns, and anything under 45 microns is
invisible to even the sharpest eye.
Putting water into the air, no matter how finely, *is*
creating humidity though. I've used one of those ultasonic
humidifiers and despite the small particle size condensation
will occur on any cool surface combining the small particles
back into big drops. The nozzles or swamp coolers should
produce even more free water. If you can find a way of
cutting down the free water after cooling the air but before
it enters the grow that should help a lot. A seperate room
where the cooled but humid air can mill about and drop some
of it's load might do the trick.
In case the link for fungi perfecti doesn't work, here it is
http://www.fungiperfecti.com/catalog.html. Foggers are down
at the bottom of a LONG page. Great site that, anyone who
hasn't had a go at mushrooms should give one of their
gourmet/medicianl kits a try.. great fun. Tough as hell
compared to
Link: Foggers WAY at the bottom of this page
TOPIC - swamp coolers n wine
DATE - 11:18:07 6/08/99
FROM - t2
vic a swamp cooler is also known as an evaporative cooler. basically it's
a square box with 3 sides having filters that
water trickles thru as the air is sucked thru by a large squirrel cage
type fan in the center of the box which blows it out
the fourth side into a window opening.it has a reservoir and a float valve
on the bottom and just needs an 1/8 or 1/4"
tubing water inlet. it works twofold,the air is cooled as it is sucked
thru the wet filters then evaporation occurs.physics
101 as you said,evaporation is a cooling process,condensation is a heating
process.(i had to think on that theory for
awhile before i believed it tho,ha-ha) btw misting foggers are already
being used for cooling in the south in some of the
outdoor cafe's and beer gardens and people use them on their patio's etc.
i haven't heard of them being used for cooling
inside,but i do know that more air flow going thru would increase the rate
of evaporation thus decreasing the temp. if
you misted without proper airflow you'd end up with a humid moldy mess
imo.
sory for going off topic but hey anybody know an easy way to make wine?
i got more red plums this year than carters
got pills. my buddy used to make it in a glass carboy using welch's grape
juice,yeast and suger with a large balloon
over the top to act as his airlock,but i don't remember how much of what.
i know some people ferment fruit with the pulp
in,and some without the pulp.any suggestions or links?
TOPIC - Thanks
DATE - 08:31:56 6/08/99
FROM - hobie
Vic - thanks for the info.....
TOPIC - ..here's one for herpatology....
DATE - 08:02:05 6/08/99
FROM - Perp
Reptile Fogger:
http://www.infoscantech.com/products/house/fogger.html
Lg ones are available through Holloween stores....or try DJ Supplies, like
as in disc jocky for parties, they usem for
effect.
TOPIC - cooling/foggers
DATE - 07:49:02 6/08/99
FROM - Perp
Fog for Cooling, great Idea, but if ya wanna go way high tech, use an ultrasonic
fogger, no moving parts, jus' drop the
transdeucer in the water and voila, FOG. I have a small one I got for "rooting"
experiments, and you can get Lg. ones,
used often for special effects...I may just throw mine in the garden (great
idea) as it's startin' to get HOT in Cali! Ha!
TOPIC - foggers
DATE - 07:34:08 6/08/99
FROM - Vic High
Thanks everyone for the replies. I checked the links and didn't see anything
suitable but did fire off a couple emails. I'm
looking more for the commercial fogging setup, not misting. Droplets need
to be very fine (10 microns or less) to avoid
getting the whole greehouse wet. Don't want those lights to explode, haha.
It also needs to be backed up with good
ventilation to avoid the heavy humid buildup that cedartop mentioned.
The little screwing around i do with autobody painting tells me that the
pressure needed to create 10 micron droplets
would wear out plastic nozzles quickly and that they would more than likely
need to be steel or at the very least,
brass. Just thinking out loud here :)
T2 - your water line comment leads me to believe you are referring to the
internal "true radiator" type of swamp cooler?
It uses the water temps to cool? I'm thinking more of an external evaporative
design where water temp wouldn't really
matter. My reasoning is that evaporative would be more efficient I think.
I don't have the exact numbers but I remeber
from high school chemistry that evaporating water takes way more energy
than simply raising it a degree. I think its
something like 10 fold. All that said, if there was a proper cooling fogger
that operates off regular water pressure I would
be one happy clam :)
I think this is going to take some good old fashioned leg work like the
UVB tubes did. Internet is good but not
complete. Had to go through a dozen wholesalers and dealers before finding
one that knew what I was talking about
with the UVB tubes. Two of the sales reps actually got quite heated when
I would not accept the idea that the
blacklight was what I was looking for, haha.
TOPIC - misters
DATE - 23:41:22 6/07/99
FROM - t2
hey vic,theres lots of misters on the market. i think the ones used primarily
in greenhouses are designed to run off
normal water pressure and fit right into a 1/2" pvc T. most greenhouse
supply co's should stock them. i know
mellingers does(www.mellingers.com).the drip irrigation companies make
misters designed to work on lower pressure
to conserve water that you just pop into black poly like a drip emitter
also. www.raindrip.com or www.dripworksusa.com
are a couple that come to mind. personally i'm sold on air-cooled reflector
hoods but i think in the north a swamp cooler
would be ideal for your air inlet. your water lines are deeper and stay
much colder than mine
TOPIC - Vic/swamp coolers
DATE - 21:21:57 6/07/99
FROM - sb
Vic
The coolers you speak of are used extensively throughout dryer sections
of the U.S. and are known as swamp coolers.
If you opt for evaporative cooling (and I'm sure you know this), plan on
moving PLENTY of air to avoid mold probs.
Most use a synthetic mat in the form of a circular belt
TOPIC - cooling
DATE - 21:21:19 6/07/99
FROM - pi
i forgot to mention that it is nothing more than a fancy garden sprayer
which you fill up with water from the tap or ice
water than pump it up. when you spray the water out the larger surface
area from the smaller water particles makes
flash evaporation possible and a cooling effect.
TOPIC - cooling
DATE - 21:16:20 6/07/99
FROM - cedartop
vic, got a uncle who has five acres of greenhouses in fla. when they have
the misters on down there its so humid you
can just about cut the air. seems to me you'd be encountering a serious
mold problem if you used the misters enough
to keep the temp down. i know the floors of his greenhouses are wet all
of the time. its still like a steambath in there. i
know my idea of using vortex coolers have gotten sorry results over the
at the base, but i think if i had the money to
invest i'd go that way. i've got a compressor and a 1k halide here if i
ever scrape up the bucks i'm gonna buy one and
see what they will do. sure would beat using water for cooling. a person
could go with a sealed room and use one of
the coolers for his air intake. "no borgs from fresh air inlets" but then
again a air compressor would add to your electric
bill.
Link:
TOPIC - Vic ...flash evaporation
DATE - 21:14:23 6/07/99
FROM - pi
whatis happening is called flash evaporation. they have these way-over-priced
insulated quart sized bottles on the
shopping network that consist of a pump up airless sprayer and fancy nozzle
that does the same thing. they call them
personal coolers. they mentioined that there is a way to make it wet but
i did not pay attention as $30 for 2 is still too
high priced for me. Neat.
i would suspect that concept has been around for awhile and technology
has finally got to the point where the nozzles
can be manufactured cheap inuf to market to the public.
TOPIC -
DATE - 20:33:05 6/07/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey Randy and Hobie - the best beginner info can be found at Cannabis.com
and Weedbase. Links to them can be
found on the BCGA main page, link is above. But quickly, but yes yellowing
is normal and pruning during flower is a
grey area. Uncle Ben was involved in a good discussion about this at Cannabis.com's
Advanced page. Just sift your
way through it, there should be enough info there for you to make a sound
decision for your particular situation. Hobie,
safest start is to start with no nutes and then slowly build after a week.
Don't float the cubes, that's too wet. Flos are
best to start but HIDs will get the job done if you are careful. But others
will disagree. Weedbase is a perfect place for
your questions. It's search engine is fantastic and needs to be used more.
TOPIC - cooling
DATE - 20:23:27 6/07/99
FROM - Vic High
I was chatting last weekend with a buddy about cheap ways to cool our rooms
without adding too much to the hydro
bill. We were talking about building something I used about a decade ago
in the forestry research greenhouses.
It looked like an external radiator. The core was a honeycombed cardboard
and the water poured over it keeping it
moist. I've seen it called a "water wall" in some greenhouse literature.
This water system was closed and not
connected with the plant irrigation system. Reason was that we added an
agaecide (bleach?) to teh water to keep the
rad from clogging with algae. Today the same technology is used by those
Convair home/office coolers. I was thinking
of building something similar but using synthetic furnace filter sheets
instead of teh cardboard. I would place a square
20" fan in front of it to pull the air through. I was also thinking this
could double as a cooler for water cooled lights but I
think this part was heading into fantasy land, haha
Well I've been building this in my head for a couple of weeks ironing out
the details when we started sifting through
some old and current issues of "Practical Hydroponics & Greenhouses".
Well it seems as if these "water walls" are
obsolete now and foggers are the coolers of choice. (Damn I'm feeling ancient
:) "Fogging is used in conjuction with
ventilation to lower greehouse temperatures. Foggers must produce water
droplets of under 10 microns so that the crop
is not left wet" Pg73 may/june 1999. Well this has left me with a couple
of questions. First, what king of pumps,
emitters, and piping would be needed to supply the pressure to produce
the 10 micron droplets and if these are so
small so as to leave the leaves dry, would they be safe around the bulbs?
Any ideas or water pressure experts out there?
TOPIC - Germination
DATE - 20:17:23 6/07/99
FROM - Hobie
I am VERY new to this game and would really appreciate any tips on germination.
Will be using a hydroponic flood and
drain system with rockwool and am hoping y'all might have tips on:
1. Methodology (float the small cubes w/seeds in water or solution etc??)
2. Lights (should I use a florensant for the germination period and then
switch to my 400w metal halide.
3. What solution do you recommend for the germination phase and then for
further growing.
I apologize if I missed posts on this, I swear I looked
Thanks so much....
TOPIC - Pruning during Flowering
DATE - 20:02:33 6/07/99
FROM - Randy
First time grower needs to know. During the period of flowering is there
any pruning or leaf removal ar any tipe of prune
to be dune during this period ? Also I have a few leaves turning yellow,
not burning but completely yellowand then dry
up and fall off. Is this normal or what.
Please help me out !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks
Randy
TOPIC - :)
DATE - 13:00:41 6/07/99
FROM - diane
Thanx again Budm...looks like I'm on my
way then. It's easy to get overwhelmed
with the amount of info out here. I'm
sure I'll have more ?'s as I go...so
glad you guys are here :)
TOPIC - stuff
DATE - 12:35:11 6/07/99
FROM - Vic High
180 - couldn't have said it better myself. Except that if your ISP account
is in your name or traceable to you then you
may want to use a proxy. Many free ones out there, just do a search.
Budm - I had moderate success using .005% potassium giberellate but that
info is at my webpage so I suspect you
already knew that, haha. Giving an extended dark period (48-72 hours) about
two weeks into flower sometimes helped
flip them.
TOPIC - budm
DATE - 08:15:17 6/07/99
FROM - no-one
i tryed ga once, couldent get it to do anything except strech the plant
like mad??imo it dont work??
no-one
TOPIC - A GA ? / Diane
DATE - 08:02:48 6/07/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all,This question is for anyone that has used GA to induce male flowers,
on female plants. afoaf has been using a
"off the shelf" preperation of GA and Idolebutyric Acid in a "Blossom Set
Spray" retail package, the GA concentration
is.0000240% and the IA is .0000224%. Hes been spraying one branch and its
leaves well, once a day. The plant is a
Shiskeberry X BigPlum, that is in a/b 5th week of 12/12, she took a 8 day
detour for some light stressing, that she
survived like a trooper. The question is after how many days, should male
flowers appear, with a once a day
application?
Diane- My friends entry into this hobby, came with the modus-operandi that,
do all you can for these plants. Well he
did the "Seltzer Spray/folar" in hopes of enhanced yields with the Co2,
from the seltzer carbonation. He also used the
sugar/yeast fermentation, allthough I belive that the fermentation process
does add to the overall amount of Co2 in the
air, I feel its a great deal of work for the marginal results it increses.
If you have a Co2 tank and regulator, then
someone here will be able to help you with the finer points of its operation.
My opinion about Co2 is unless you have
the tank set up, dont bother with the fermentation or seltzer, just make
sure you have good circulation (grow room air
exchange) and lots of light. How many square feet is the grow area? You
allready have good mixed spectrum lighting,
couple it with good circulation, and good nutes/medium, and proper care,
and with the genetics you have, your on your
way to a nice harvest;-))
hth
Peace
TOPIC - SPud
DATE - 06:58:45 6/07/99
FROM - 180
SPud, welcome! :-)
the short answer is, almost ALL pot busts seem to be the result of tip-offs
to the local police by informants (persons
previously arrested and then allowed to go free and continue their illegal
activies, on the condition that they ferret out
other law-breakers and turn them in to the police), spouses or lovers (lovers'
spats can get NASTY), neighbors, gas- or
electric-meter readers (they come right up to the side of your house, for
chrissakes!), or growing/dealing "partners",
when the deal goes sour. all these risks are enhanced by your own indiscretions,
such as they may be...
the police are (fortunately for us) caught in the middle of a culture shift
when it comes to cyberspace. the legal
precedents are slowly being established, but it's very hard for law enforcement
to do ANYTHING about a place like this.
we are not actually breaking any laws by sharing info on this server (although
if we use the shared info to facilitate
criminal activity then we are officially a "conspiracy", which is against
the law in the U.S.). for law enforcement to
PROVE that we are anything more than a bunch of lying teenagers is damn
near impossible, given the current legal
state of affairs, because most of us posting here don't even reside in
the country where the server that hosts this chat
is located. cyberspace transcends most existing legal structures :-)
that said, the police and FBI are increasingly going after "cyber-criminals".
their primary target used to be pedophiles,
but now with the increase in online scams and fraud, they are pursuing
these crimes, too. another target is "hackers",
aka any fool with a few "exploits" at hand who has the poor judgement to
try and break into govt and private computer
systems. why these people would commit crimes from which they DERIVE NO
BENEFIT is beyond me; it's just people
who haven't mastered their ego yet, imho. but i'm glad they're out there
because it distracts law enforcement from we
harmless hobby-grower potheads. 8-)))
peace
TOPIC - webfish
DATE - 06:14:59 6/07/99
FROM - no-one
thanks for the info about the uv story!! sounds like i could be wasteing
time and money on this adventure? i have read a
bit that says it should work but if u tryed it 3 times and it didnt it
musent work??
no-one
SPud- its not illegal to talk about growing! for all the cops know we may
be full of shit!! its proberly not worth their time
to track down a poster and get a warrent to find out that they just raided
a 16yo kid with a reality complex?
besides their are enough assholes dobing in enough people to keep the cops
going full time to need to do this..
TOPIC - :)
DATE - 05:56:33 6/07/99
FROM - diane
Thanx Budm for easing my mind regarding
the lights...I'm also wondering if & when
I should spray with Co2. Any suggestions?
TOPIC -
DATE - 22:23:27 6/06/99
FROM - SPud
Hi. What a totally wicked site! I only stumbled across this recently. Anyway,
I was just wondering how you guys
manage to get away with posting messages that would normally insight a
police bust? I mean, when I post I go to a
public library or something, but surely you guys don't go to an internet
coffee shop or library every time you post? And I
can't be frigged using Lucent technologies (they are based on the opposite
side of the world to me, and slow down
downoading speeds, so I ditched the fuckers).
And I find it strange that not a single poster has ever, in the whole history
of HempBC chat page and all the others,
posted a message saying that they got raided with the only possible cause
being cops tracing origins of posts (ie they
had everything else covered including power bill). In fact I haven't seen
a single post of anyone getting busted, except
when there was an obvious reason, like someone dobbing them in. So whats
the story you experts? Tell me.
TOPIC - safety in numbers
DATE - 18:57:43 6/06/99
FROM - drA
Eric, you missed the point of my post to which you refer; the point being
that, in outdoor growing, many small patches
are better at avoiding complete losses FROM THIEVES than any number of
big patches. my common sense also says
that LEO isn't likely to find or bother with a few plants here or a few
plants there and inherently, you must believe this to
be so, since in your own post you mention moving plants around to reduce
the size of the patch so you can avoid
detection by flyovers. if you start with many small patches to begin with,
then you shouldn't have to worry about playing
a shell game with 'em. you also say that the more pot they find, the more
money they get to go looking for more. which
site are the fly-boys gonna bother with, your 70 or my 6?
here's one thing you did get right; i planted schwag in some of my sites.
the only evidence i've got that it IS schwag is
the say-so of a bunch of people on the 'net that i've never met. who knows,
maybe it doesn't grow well indoors? i paid
money for the beans last year and they were lying around getting old, so
why not plant it? about the only inference you
can reasonably make about the size of the plot is a prior post that mentions
4x9 and six plants, so yup, i've got maybe
six purportedly schwaggy plants growing in one place; hardly a huge plot.
you also PRESUME that it's easy to spot; a
"giveaway" as you call it with "good pot" planted NEARBY. i suppose it
depends on your definition of nearby, alpha
centauri is known as a "nearby" star, but there's a few hundred acres of
heavily wooded land around me. i could TELL
you where the schwag is and you'd never find the rest of it by yourself.
maybe it's a question of scale, i grow for personal use and i have a full-time
job, so i don't need nor do i have the time
to care for multiple sites with 70-90 plants each. where i live, that kind
of production will GUARANTEE you 5 years in
jail and i like my freedom and my home, so i'll stick with my small patches.
1 lb a year is more than i can smoke and
give away, but i understand that there are those who make their living
off this hobby, so more power to ya' if that's your
bag.
TOPIC - UV and co2
DATE - 16:57:52 6/06/99
FROM - webfish
Have tried various different experiments with,UV a, b and c,using different
germicidal ,florescent and mercury vapor
lights ...After limeted studies (3 crops) havent found any noticable differance
in the potency at all...As for the danger it
is in now way worth the nominal if 0 gains and huge risk of skincancer
or other wierd things that coud happen from
such a unnatural-contrived environment....In other words use it in a protected
vent tube to control odor
only(germicidal)and they have a pourpose in our rooms but only in the exhaust....
No-one those are very different bulbs (in the tanning salons) they only
omit a fraction of the uv that the germicidal lamps
do, and almost no ozone and rember you still cover your eyes whan you lay
in those electric coffins,.....
Chaos -you need a PPM test tube you can calculate all you want (ft3 x 1200ppm
- available ppm = adtional co2
needed)however temp and exhaust, humidity and plant activity change this
daily ,the best is to use a controller with a
sampler built in this will keep the leval at max 24/7 if you can't afford
one ,get a tester tube for PPM and test three or
four times per day in your room for what you have already available then
slowly open your flow meter check in an hour
or so,when you reach 1200ppm shut it off,(note amount of time elapsed)
after some time the PPM will decrease this is
when you want the flow meter to open again(noting amount of time)this will
give you some idea of the daily fluctuations
in your room concerning co2PPM....Also if you dont want to waste any co2
you need to interface your exhaust with a
shut off to the flow meter(so you dont flow while exhuasting>>).....
Hey Vic how are you??
Greenbear you out there?? Call me....
TOPIC - co2 help???
DATE - 14:16:09 6/06/99
FROM - chaos
how do i calculate what flow rate i should use in a 2x1.8x1.7meter room?????
TOPIC - uv-b/vic?
DATE - 13:07:20 6/06/99
FROM - no-one
hay vic, i thought u were useing these tubes aswell unless i read wrong???
i'm not entirly an ameture grower i just need
to know the facts? if people are laying 3"above these things to get a tan
how bad can they be? i have never tryed these
things thats why i asked!! if they work i'd like to know, if they dont
i'd like to know that as well!! as for who am i?? i'm
just the adverage aussi grower(maybe with a few more lights?)
stay cool
no-one
TOPIC - topics
DATE - 09:24:47 6/06/99
FROM - Vic High
no-one - who are you? Working with UVb is dangerous, don't do it. At least
that is my recomendation based on your
questions. As for the archives, yeah I think I farged up the links when
I moved the page and still need to fix it. All the
archives are still alive and will be available some day when I take the
time to fix the links.
Bobby - the generalized nature of your question suggests that you are still
working on understanding the basics of
removing hot air and replacing with cool air. Weedbase and Cannabis.com
are great places to get help with the basics.
outdoor - hate to add to this topic but wouldn't a shade cloth tent over
each plant during the fly bys throw off their ability
to detect? Find those camo ones? Works on TV haha.
TOPIC - diane
DATE - 08:24:54 6/06/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
diane- Thats how afs garden is lit exactally, with 2 week old plants, just
make sure that the lamps are not to close,
24-30" should be fine, your working with some great strains, treat them
well, and they will reward you well. HTH
Eric- Good to see ya , was wondering if all was ok with ya, best of luck outside.
Peace
TOPIC - lights
DATE - 06:55:34 6/06/99
FROM - diane
I have two week old ak47 & cinderella99
plants under a combo light set-up with
one 400mh & one 400hps....is this right?
TOPIC - Eric
DATE - 06:08:15 6/06/99
FROM - 180
Eric, i hear ya, but it all depends on your individual experience, philosophy,
where you grow, what you grow, how
much, etc.
vive la difference!
Blazer, i think eric's point about reduced watering would help to address
the IR detection issue. the reason the plants
are easily spotted is because they are "hot"; they have a fast, "weed-like"
metabolism and simply put off more heat in
the form of IR than other slower-growing plants. depriving them of water
would slow down their metabolism. and wilting
would certainly change their appearance from the air, though i would hesitate
to let my plants wilt, because wilting if left
too long WILL kill the plant, or reduce vigor and harvest quite a bit.
a sudden heat wave would have you scrambling to
save them, and if you're not a full-time grower, imagine being at work
and unable to leave, thinking of your patch frying
in the heat. yike!
peace
TOPIC - uv-b/pontency
DATE - 04:25:54 6/06/99
FROM - no-one
have a few ? on the subject, tryed to get answers at weedbase but it didnt
work out!
dose this actualy work?
can u hurt your plants?
how long do u give per hour?
at what stage do u start the treatment?
how close to the plants do u put uv bulbs(fluro type)?
i read every thing here i could find and tryed the arcives but for some
reson it says that the file could not be found and
wont let me in??
any help from first hand experiance would be great!
tia
no-one
TOPIC - air-cooled
DATE - 22:01:25 6/05/99
FROM - t2
bobby, air-cooled reflector hoods work great . if you don't have an air-cooled
hood and your room is still to hot you'll
need more airflow or an a/c unit.
TOPIC - Eric
DATE - 21:20:31 6/05/99
FROM - Blazer
Eric the military flys for the cops around here and use infrared imaging
to detect the "kind". It has a totally unique heat
signature than any other local plants. So the military just "plays" w/
these toys, then passes the info on to the locals.
There just isnt such a thing as a sure thing, nor is there anything common
about common sense damnit. That has
nothing to do w/ this issue, just 1 more saying I find Myself using more
and more sadly. I see Your points big.
Blazer
TOPIC - cooling the room
DATE - 20:28:09 6/05/99
FROM - bobby
does anybody know the best way to cool a room down. I understand and have
installed exaust fans - any ideas??
TOPIC - Outdoor growing
DATE - 14:55:17 6/05/99
FROM - Eric
I have been lurking and reading for a while but refraining from posting...I
feel the need to post because recently i have
read some posts from outdoor growers that are absolutely rediculoius.
first i read one from a guy that posted that he would plant a huge plot
of shwag and then plant his "good pot" in small
patches around it. This makes no since at all to me for a couple of reasons
1. it takes the same amount of energy to plant PRIMO as it does to plant
SHWAG. they require the same amount of
time and work. What happens if the plot doesnt get ripped??
you have a bunch of shwag..why not plant PRIMO..then you have a bunch of
primo. In true gurilla farming patches
RARELY get ripped...I know that you read about patches 6-10 plants..but
in true gurilla farming you do several patches
of 70-90 plants...use camo and good site selection to keep them until harvest
and DONT BE LAZY.
2. second reason is that each county gets a certain amount of FUNDS alicated
to do their flying looking for pot...THE
MORE POT THEY FIND.....THE MORE MONEY THEY GET...
SO DONT PLANT "GIVE AWAYS" as they are referred to...Big plots designed
to draw attention from the several more
smaller plots around the given area. Only hurts you in the long run.
Now i read from a poster here that says he doesnt mind some of his plants
being ripped off because it will ease his
paranoia...DO WHAT?????
Have you ever been ripped off man?? It fucking sucks royally
It is VERY VERY HEART BREAKING ...NOT TO MENTION THE fact that for months
you thought you were the only
person in the world that knew where this treaseure was hidden...and then
you find that you werent...first thought is
always that there are narcs watching you...very heart pounding....
tell me where your plants are cuz..I will remove them for you so you will
not be so paranoid.
BUCKETS qare by far better than digging holes...MOBILITY.
If you keep your ears open a little you can find out a week ahead of time
when they will be flying..it is usually second
week in august...so you remove all the large solar leavse from you plants
and dont water them so they will droop
making them smaller and harder to spot from the sky. alos move some under
trees so you reduce the size of the
patch..this is ALWAYS enough to avoid detection.
I hope i dont offend anyone here with this post but i just felt this should
be posted. If i misunderstood your posts i
apologize.
TOPIC - pink ladies
DATE - 06:57:49 6/05/99
FROM - Vic High
My romulan mom often doesn'tproduce pink hairs but shedoes when she is
happy. Pink hairs is an early indication that
I'm in for a great crop.
Loop Hole - First of all, a belated thanks for the specs on the UVB bulbs
you were able to get. I've installed one of my
UVB tubes and the interesting thing is that all my girls are uneffected
so far, except that the leaves are getting sparkly.
However, the male's new growth is shrivelling up. I think I will, unfortuantely,
be moving it to a corner farthest from the
UV. I guess growing out a new batch of blueberry seedlings under high UV
conditions and searching for new males will
be a project for the near future.
UVB bulb is a Philips TL 40W/12 RS UV-B Medical (made in Holland). It's
now up to 10 minutes operation every hour
that the main lights are on. By the way, the breeding room is on a 7 day
timer and is under a 16/12 lighting schedule
making for a 6 day week. One week in now. This is a small closet setup
with most of the flowering plants in 2 gal
containers. The main blueberry mom and a severly hacked back grapefruit
mom are still in their 3 gal pots, these were
both clone moms in a previous life. Other seed moms in closet include G13,
romulan, UBC, and Bubbi's highest
yielding blueberry.
There is also a couple of kush plants that stood out enough to survive
the previous tear down and tossing of genetics.
One was a kush special that was loaded with bright pink pistals and the
other was a super kush that was a great
yielder. These last two are probably a waste of space but were revegged
from the previous flower crop. They came from
the Seed Bank of Canada (Dave Freedom) and both turned out to be all female
seeds of which about a 1/3 of their
siblings turned hermie and were culled within 3 weeks of flower. This will
probably be the last crop of these two but out
of curiosity I just wanted to see how hermie the offspring of these two
normal plants will be.
TOPIC - curious george
DATE - 04:32:51 6/05/99
FROM - 180
CG, i saw those bags too (the ones advertised as needing less water), they
were camouflage print, too. i've also seen
that little watering unit (batt. op.). if you could somehow expand the
reservoir on it, could be quite useful. you know
what would be the best of all though, would be a solar-powered watering
system with battery backup. but it would have
to be cobbled together from available low-voltage parts, could be a big
hassle unless you have ready access to
electronic hobby supplies. radio shack doesn't have everything you'd need...
i have used plastic (poly) bags once outdoors and found them very unsteady,
easily capsized. a larger (5gal) size woul
undoubtedly be more stable, but depending on plant size of course.
the bit about the thief or thieves taking your patches one after another:
AAAARRRRGGHH! thank god for indoor.
TOPIC - Pink hairs in Romulan crosses
DATE - 22:46:34 6/04/99
FROM - second
I have some that came out in Rom X I.S.S and Mikado X
Romulan. Flowered inside but taken outside, around May 15,
1999. Before going outside, flowers were looking like
typical indoor buds with about 3 weeks growth. Outside,
plants were still held at 12/12 and sometimes
10-9on/14-15off. One Mikado X Romulan has no pinks and buds
are fluffy with anything compared to what was printed in
magazine photos.
I hear when the plants are happy they put out their best,
real sunshine must make them SO FUNKIN GAY(term used to
denote 1950 American slang definition). VERY HA
Link:
TOPIC - Lucky?? Canada
DATE - 20:26:21 6/04/99
FROM - Thunderheart
Here is the headline and link.
TH
ó Canada is quietly investigating the possibility of testing a marijuana
inhaler being developed by a British company
that would help ease the pain of suffering patients but stop short of making
them high.
Link: MSNBC
TOPIC - C.G.
DATE - 19:21:51 6/04/99
FROM - Blazer
George Now knowing the punk ass thief and His habits unique to Him are
a whole different ballgame! I'd go for his head
if it were personal, but then We open a whole different gammet of problems
there too ie. narcing etc...
On those growbags that save h2o...IMO they are using those Osmicote(sp)
pellets or is it the silicate 1's that SWELL
UP big and slowly release the h2o. If that's the case, I've seen it work
well in potted plants and have wanted to try it
outside. Maybe I'll give it a whirl. Thats 1 thing about My local, I have
endless farmland w/ creekbeds everywhere at My
disposal on thousands of acres of private land. Now if I could just find
a partner to help Me w/ the labor and shut up at
the same time...Like that will ever happen! FYI, IMO partners=trouble/greed
and broken friendships if there was 1 to
begin w/., never again for Me.
Blaze
TOPIC - revegitation after flowering
DATE - 19:06:55 6/04/99
FROM - lihp67
how do I get plants to revegitate after they have been harvested from?
they were in 12/12 for 9 weeks and the harvest
was good, so I was wondering how to keep them so I can have another harvest.
TOPIC - Foot-in-Mouth - Again, & more outdoors
DATE - 18:37:25 6/04/99
FROM - Curious George
Oh boy ... here we go again. The brief how-to on "punji sticks" as a non-lethal
way to protect patches seems to have
struck a nerve. The decision to use such means is an individual one, and
any legal or karmic consequences that flow
from such use are entirely your own. Keep in mind that painfull consequences
might be the karma debt of the thief.
I appreciate the concerns of those who complained about that part of my
posting, and it might seem to be hypocritical
given my objections to the butane extraction posts, but they're both out
of the bottle now, for better or worse.
When compared to other deterence methods that have been blown-up in the
press, like fishooks strung at face level
and trip-wired guns ( both of which I've always though were stupid, extreme,
and a pain in the ass ) punji-sticks are
comparatively mild and biodegradable. If you prefer to use other methods,
go ahead ... leave the crap off the spikes, or
why not put little rubber balls over the points with a note that says "Please
don't steal my weed!".
I've only resorted to using this method once, over a decade ago, because
of repeated rip-offs at one particularly nasty
spot. And, I knew who was doing it! There was virtually no chance that
an innocent person would have been anywhere
near this spot, hidden in many of acres of thorns and stinging nettles.
They had found the general area of a series of
small patches and had ripped every one but this one last group of plants.
I had absolutely no second thoughts about
doing it, and still don't.
I learned long, long, ago that the major benefits to be derived from outdoor
growing are fresh air, sunshine, vigorous
exercise, and relative quiet. Any herb at the end of the season is a bonus.
No one likes to get ripped, but it happens as
often, if not more often, than not. Get used to it ... herb does not neccessarily
impart any special form of "higher
consciousness" on the user. Dirt-bags are a dime a dozen on this planet.
Actually, getting ripped for a piece of your crop can be a blessing in
one respect: the bigger the crop, the bigger the
paranoia, the more severe the grab in the gut from tension and nervous
exhaustion. You youngsters are welcome to it.
Never thought I'd consider "grow bags", but I came accross an item in a
catalog yesterday that could make them a
viable alternative. It's called a "Plantsitter 30" and is designed to water
your houseplants automatically. It holds 21 pints
in the reservoir, And ... it can be battery operated! The little blurb
in the catalog said it has a choice of dripper flow rates
and a built-in timer, and incluides 30 watering spikes, 35 drippers, and
56 meters of waterline.
Anyone familiar with these things? The price ( $130 ) isn't too bad, though
the relatively small capacity probably won't
handle too many plants. What kind of mix do you use in bags? Same as indoors,
or some combination akin to soil?
It's much easier to find a sneaky spot if you don't have to worry about
good soil and ready water. It's hard enough to
find good sun exposure sometimes. I saw an ad recently for a grow-bag made
from some special material that they
claimed would reduce the amount of water used ... how can that be ?
Are there any advantages to bags over 5 gal. buckets?
.... Hope you all have a fine weekend.
TOPIC - vic
DATE - 18:14:27 6/04/99
FROM - Lady J
you have mail.
Peace
TOPIC - blazer,stix and vic
DATE - 17:24:45 6/04/99
FROM - loop_hole
Thanks for the AK info guys. Sounds like a keeper. Just grew out the AK
mothers (have 5 females) and clones are
almost rooted. Will be an interesting crop though. Trying 4 new strains
(25 mothers) in a new room, with a new setup
(aero) with water-cooled lighting (that Iíve never used before) with supplemented
UV-b (that Iíve never done before). That
goes against all advice Iíve given out last year ;-).
Vic- Emeryís rom and your romberry definitely have a family resemblance,
and the rom seems to be pretty dominant.
Even Emeryís rom/big is pretty rommie.
I talked a lighting guy in montreal to sell me a couple of the Uvb 4 foot
tubes. Keep ya posted.
TOPIC - stix
DATE - 14:42:51 6/04/99
FROM - Blazer
Thanks for the post on the AK. Mine is deffinately sativa dominate, but
I'm getting some damn solid buds off her in less
than 60 days. The lower nugs are a little airy, but the real buds are SOLID.
I had 2 of them this round that won't fit in a
qt. Mason jar due to thier diameter, such a lovely sight! They were a good
16 to 18 inches long and and easy 4 wide,
why can't I get ALL of them to turn out the same damnit!? I'm onna mission
there, I'm no where near done w/ this gal.
Blazer
TOPIC - ak47 and Sensi Star
DATE - 14:01:17 6/04/99
FROM - stix
Blazer Im doing the ak now too. I got two heavy sativa type females (out
of 14 females)that were indeed spicy sweet
smelling. The others were not spicy at all and had more indica appearance
with tighter buds. My favorite is the sativa
type but the indica type was so good I saved a mother from that group too.
Budm I think youre gonna like the sensi star, everyone Ive heard from/of
has liked it. Its the best indica ive grown in
years. High is very active for a mostly-indica and its plenty potent. Taste
runs from citrus-sweet to sour. Unfortunatly, in
mine, the more potent were the sour smelling ones. Not a real heavy yielder
tho
TOPIC - Blue Heaven
DATE - 11:16:56 6/04/99
FROM - Toronto
I just ordered some Blue Heaven seed from Marc Emery. I would like to know
of any experiences people have had with
blue heaven, ie: Yield, Potency, Height, ease of growing, flowering period,
etc.
They will be growing in a 3.5' x 3' x 6' room in soilless mix, organic
ferts under 400W MH for veg and 400W HPS for
flower.
Any and all info is appreciated.
In Peace.
TOPIC - Blue Heaven
DATE - 11:11:16 6/04/99
FROM - Toronto
I just ordered some Blue Heaven seed from Marc Emery. I would like to know
of any experiences people have had with
blue heaven, ie: Yield, Potency, Height, ease of growing, flowering period,
etc.
They will be growing in a 3.5' x 3' x 6' room in soilless mix, organic
ferts under 400W MH for veg and 400W HPS for
flower.
Any and all info is appreciated.
In Peace.
TOPIC - a small prolbem
DATE - 08:30:27 6/04/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
Af has a Romberry in a 5 gal pot in its 5th week of 12/12, and for about
the past ten days its like its growth has
"stalled", its now started to put on new growth, but this "stalling" has
me puzzled, could it be a defiency?
Damion thanks for the report, Im looking foward to the Sensi Star, in the garden soon.
A great weekend to all;-))
Peace
TOPIC - 180, DrA
DATE - 08:15:51 6/04/99
FROM - Blazer
You got it Bro! I remember mushroom hunting most every spring along the
Mo. and Ks. river and inevidably stumbling
across faint paths. We'd follow any lil pathway rather it be looking for
a new fishing/hunting spot or stumbling across
major game trails. You'd be suprised how many people You can stumble across
when You think Your in the middle of
no where too. I've never cleaned any1 out, but I have helped Myself to
a lil of some1's "well hidden" patch. Sadly around
here, there is soo much wild weed, Ya gotta be damn careful where You pick
a hole. Nuthin like putting out wicked
clones only to be heavily pollenated by some rope plant. YUK! Choose carefully
and plant 10 fold what You expect to
harvest, that's been My best bet anyhow. I'm grateful for today's HID's;)!
DrA My email is messed up, I'm trying to get back w/ You and I will.
Peace Folks, Blazer
Blazer
TOPIC - ways i have found other people's patches
DATE - 05:48:43 6/04/99
FROM - 180
i have detected other people's "hidden" patches on NUMEROUS occasions.
usually it's some amateur who doesn't
know male from fem plants, etc, but i have also found serious high-quality
all female crops, too. this just from mtn
biking in remote areas and following the slightest odor or faint recent
trail.
crawling under a thicket is a good idea, if you can avoid leaving an "obviously
human" trail. taking a different route to
the grow each time is good; anyone who is observant can find your trail,
even if it's very faint...the real key is to avoid
crushing plants with your feet, or breaking or bending stuff with your
hands. you have to move your body around the
plants, instead of through them, and step on natural bare spots, stones,
etc.
the ODOR of weed can reveal the best-hidden patch. sometimes you can even
smell it driving along country roads, if
the patches are too close to the roadway. i would say you could detect
a fragrant patch from distances up to 50 yds,
easy, if the wind is right. it's good to take prevailing winds into account
when choosing a site. if you can put a ridge or
two between traffic areas and your patch, that's good. also, i would say
that choosing a non-stinky strain is a gamble,
because outdoors, ALL weed stinks.
make sure you don't leave ANY equipment around; carry everything in a backpack
with you (collapsible poly water
carriers). i have found people's watering buckets, etc. cops look for that
kind of stuff.
if you think someone's been in your grow, explore it and the surrounding
area THOROUGHLY: cops can leave infrared
surveillance cameras in grows they find, to try and catch the growers on
film. afoafoaf was BUSTED in this fashion last
year, even though he removed the camera; they had already gotten pics of
him before he discovered and removed the
camera, so they busted him AND demanded return of the camera; DOH!!!
if you think ANYONE has been in your patch, you really should "write it
off"; harvesting it could get you caught
redhanded, whereas if you leave it for the cops, you walk free.
freedom is worth more than any amount of weed :-)
needless to say, any booby trap is additional evidence against you, additional
provocation for your accusers (hmm,
"cultivation" or "attempted murder", you choose), and possibly an opportunity
for a very unfortunate moment of
absentmindedness (DOHDOHDOH!!!) on your part. and the karma thing, yep!
best wishes to all intrepid outdoor growers! :-)
TOPIC - punji sticks
DATE - 20:47:24 6/03/99
FROM - hmmm
Are those Thai or Cambodian?
TOPIC - outdoors? hedge your bets
DATE - 19:53:33 6/03/99
FROM - drA
what with pests and thieves, bringing an outdoor crop to harvest requires
some luck, too. we can outwit animals and
insects, or kill them if we must, but outwitting the 2-legged snakes is
a different story and deliberately harming them is
a sure way to get the maximum penalties for growing dope as well as attempted
murder. i learned the hard way that
the meaning of guerilla gardening is to put a few plants in as many out-of-the-way
places as you can find. so, besides a
couple of raised soil beds that are planted with schwag that the thieves
can have if they find it, i also filled a bunch of
grow bags with vic's super soil and put the good stuff in places where
people aren't likely to go. CG and mighty mite
have already made those points, swamps with lots of bugs are good; patches
of obnoxious plants, like poison ivy or
stinging nettles or brambles or pricker bushes or whatever you've got will
work, too. if you look hard enough, you'll find a
spot where the trail you leave is not readily apparent; i have one where
i have to crawl on my hands and knees through
a thicket of young pine trees whose branches go all the way to the ground,
nobody over 2' tall is going to see it!
you just have to realize that if you're going to grow outdoors someone
is likely to find some of your plants (it's damned
hard not to blaze a trail in the course of caring for them), but they may
not find them all. booby-trapping might satisfy a
thirst for vengeance, but you can bet that LEO will throw the book at you
if anyone gets hurt.
TOPIC - Loop_Hole and the AK47, Punji sticks!?
DATE - 16:40:07 6/03/99
FROM - Blazer
LH I'm finding soo many different descriptions of the AK from across the
country. Some say its spicey and Mine
couldn't be any further from spicey, very sweet and pungent. I find that
on My particular AK if I pinch her at the 4th node
in veg., she branches out into a nice shrub allowing the side shoots to
catch up to the main. I flip the timers back when
she's 10-12 inches tall and she finishes at around 2 1/2 feet at the tallest,
most about 2'. This is the part that throws
Me, all the gals are sister clones, twins if You will. Some of them looked
ready at 50 days while others took up took
62, some yielded around 4 oz.'s and others about 2! I'm sure it's all in
the cloning/root development, but it still throws
Me and pisses Me off. LOL She clones very well/easily. Over all a very
vigorous/lovely plant IMO and everyone I've
gotten cuts too agree. Sorry it took so long to report, I missed Your post
earlier.
Punji Sticks to protect Your grow? I can understand wanting to kill a thief
in Your home or yard, but over a weed that
obviously wasnt hidden well enough to begin with? I know LEO would love
stumbling across 1 of those and slapping
attempted man slaughter or the like on Ya. I can't believe You rode Me
about making oil and internet instructions while
You post "How too's" on maiming people! What kinda school of thought You
on Man? Itsa kharma basher at the least.
Blaze Out
TOPIC - punji sticks
DATE - 16:38:26 6/03/99
FROM - occam
On your own property? Not even. Besides the bad kharma, you could expect
one f*ck of a law suit, and other way cool
legal fun.
TOPIC - on another note... thanks m.g.
DATE - 14:11:14 6/03/99
FROM - stonerg
for the cold water separation instructions.
TOPIC - punji sticks
DATE - 14:10:10 6/03/99
FROM - stonerg
Talk about fucking up your karma! I dunno... maybe, maybe on your own proprety.
TOPIC - re: to shaggy and all
DATE - 09:17:19 6/03/99
FROM - Damion
hello everybody, got back from vacation in A'dam last week. Shaggy, I went
to the Hempworks the day before I left and
Adam was not around! My apologies for not doing it in the beginning of
the week but I was playing a high energy tour
guide for the benefit of my travel companions and it slipped my mind until
the last day, once again my apologies. But I
had a wonderful time.
Favorites this time:
>
> Bluebird (Warlock, Red Hair, Super Polm Blonde H)
> Bulldog (Silver Haze, Nepal H)
> Grey Area (Yellow Cab)
> De Dampkring (Sensi Star)
> Homegrown Fantasy (Homegrown Fantasy Bio)
> Greenhouse (nl5xhazexmist)
I was a bit wasted all week so I can't give concrete reviews of each strain.
However, out of about 35 varieties of grass
and 15 varieties of hash, the above mentioned were the shining stars. Peace
TOPIC - Thanks drA! Just what I had planed to do.
DATE - 09:10:57 6/03/99
FROM - Kenkeman
I decided that half of my stock with do in the ground while the rest will
go in 5 gallon pots. I plan to dig two 6 x 9 foot
rectangles. Each about 18 to 24 inches deep. I plan to fill with sand,
perlite, vermiculite, worm castings, cow manure,
and rich dark soil. About 9 plants fit in this area.
I really don't have problems with deer or rabits but I do have problems
with leaf cutter ants and grasshoppers. In
Panama we have huge colonies of red leaf cutting ants that can terrorize
your garden and destroy a patch like mine in
one night. You wake up the next morning only to find the main trunk sticking
out of the ground and nothing more.
Destroying these colonies is not that easy. There are so many in other
folk's land that the job can never be fully
finished.
I have learned that the best way to solve the problem is to place a special
glue like paste around the base of the plant.
This way they never make it up the plant and no harmfull pesticides are
used. This doesn't solve the problem of the
grasshoppers though. We get huge tropic grasshoppers with insatiable appetites.
With these you have to resort to
pesticides.
Any other hints as to what I can do to ensure a safe and complete harvest
would be appreciated. By the way, out of the
55 seeds I germinated 50. All of them look robust. The first leaves are
showing so today they go under the floros. They
should be there for two weeks and then they hit the great outdoors...
Fumen mucha motta y disfruten la vida!
Kenkeman
TOPIC - Curious G
DATE - 08:54:58 6/03/99
FROM - sb
"punji sticks"
WTF !!! Infecting people with human feces is unconscionable!
Now, if you happen to want to booby trap your own private and properly
posted land, go for it.
If I find booby traps on public land the person who set them will wish
that LEO had found them first.
Not to be an asshole, but I VIOLENTLY disagree with the premise.
TOPIC - curious george
DATE - 08:46:58 6/03/99
FROM - cedartop
george not trying to be rude, but man you struck a nerve when you talked
about "punji sticks" brother what if a kid is
playing in the woods and runs one through his foot or calf? don't get me
wrong i think a punk who would rip of smoke
deserves much grief, but no bud is worth hurting someone innocent.
you're right about the hair worked in fla years ago.
not trying to get on anyone's nerves here, or trying to insult anyone.
we have many kids that play in the woods in my
area and i remember first hand what kind of damage can be done with punji
sticks.
TOPIC -
DATE - 22:51:20 6/02/99
FROM - trelaway
I was just boiling weed that had been taken down from a friend's hydro
grow before adequate flushing. He thought he'd
discovered a rat and panicked.
Otherwise, the only reason I boil cannabis is to make butter. I do, tho,
get better results with butter if I boil the
weed/shake/whatever in water for a half-hour before adding the butter.
TOPIC - Deer, Rabbits, and other Critters ...
DATE - 22:36:32 6/02/99
FROM - Curious George
Refreshing to see some outdoor growing posts recently ... it must be the
season. The bar of soap bit for repelling deer
might work. I've used it on occasion, but have more confidence in two other
methods. One way is to string lengths of
monofiliment fishing line around your patch, at about three feet off the
ground. 8 - 10 lb test will do the trick. Deer are
active in nocturnal or low-light conditions, and they don't like walking
into things that can't see. Sounds strange, but it
works. The "natural" way to discourage these pests, and rabbits too, is
borrowed from the Native Americans, who used
it to protect their corn. Go to an old, neighborhood type barber shop,
the kind where they don't wash the customers
hair, and ask for a bag of cuttings that have been swept off the floor.
Works like a charm, and is good mulch as well !
Just put a 1 ft. circle around the base of each sprout.
Using blood meal outdoors is an invitation to dogs and other critters to
dig your plants up. To a lesser extent, bone
meal can have the same effect ... .
Two legged critters are another story entirely, and not so easily dissuaded.
Best to use areas that have large numbers
of "little friends" to help guard your crop ... Clouds of blood-thirsty
mosquitos are always welcome growing partners!
Just make sure to pack a bunch of repellant for yourself, and use it Before
you hit the bushes ... !
There are at least two weedy plants whose presence can indicate good growing
conditions: Giant Ragweed is one, and
it only grows in well-drained, soft, fertile soil. If you see old ragweed
stalks that are 2 1/2 inches 3 1/2 around, you have
ground that can grow lots of herb. The other is Stinging Nettle ... which
is a nasty little bugger that causes short term
"itch-weed" or poison ivy symptoms when it gets on bare flesh.
One solution to persistant or serious bunny problems, where the little
buggers hop a fence in broad daylight to feast on
plants, is a Rabbit Removal Unit ... .22 caliber. They are much less of
a problem in remote areas where there is better
balance in the critter population .. and more predators.
If you Do create a trail through the vegetation, which is Real hard not
to do ... you might as well booby-trap it in a
low-tech, non-lethal way : Get some wooden dowels at a hardware store ..
not too thick .. they should be a little
flexible. Sharpen both ends with a knife or other device, and then make
one end Very sharp with sandpaper and harden
it over a flame of a gas stove ... be careful not to burn it ... just a
slow scorch will harden... then take the sharper point
and smear it with human feces. Darken the shaft and mottle it's color by
rubbing it with some dirt. Plant these "punji
sticks" along the path at a little less than a 45 degree angle pointed
in the direction from which the pirates will be
coming. When properly placed, along a narrow, brushy paths through the
bush, they are almost invisible, hurt like hell,
and can cause a nasty, well deserved, infection.
I wish there was some way to enlarge the type of this message board. It's Really difficult to read.
Take care .....
TOPIC -
DATE - 21:24:53 6/02/99
FROM - t2
i think it should here-to-fore be known as the cold water separation process
TOPIC -
DATE - 21:23:01 6/02/99
FROM - t2
the cold water extraction method is really not an extraction in the scientific
sense.it works on the theory of gravity. the
weed is chilled so the trichomes will separate better from the pulp in
the blender.after you strain off the pulp, the green
matter stays suspended in the water but the trichomes sink.
TOPIC - thanks mighty mite!!
DATE - 20:51:14 6/02/99
FROM - johnny greenleaf
thanks for the info :) glad i'm not wasting my time with the mighty mites....
the mighty mite strain seems to be a pariah
in that not many people will admit to growing it. again, thanks for the
info.
TOPIC - guerilla holes
DATE - 19:56:06 6/02/99
FROM - drA
kenkeman, i have a lot of blue clay here about 16" down. i dig all the
soil out in a 4x9 rectangle, turn over one spade
depth of clay and add sand, perlite and some sod from the top into the
clay. then i fill the hole back in with a mixture of
the original soil, compost, cow manure, blood meal, bone meal, and make
a raised bed, so i have about 32"-36" of
fertile, loose soil. this size hole supported six 6' plants last year with
weekly feedings.
budm, those 5-gallon grow bags measure 10" in dia and 12" high. the 5-gallon
pails i've seen (leftover joint compound)
are bigger than that, i don't know if those are the size you are contemplating
or not.
kq, i've always liked my nonpolar solvents, but the prospect of using hot,
acidified water is intriguing. i don't know much
chemistry, but i recall the classic ether/acid extraction that supposedly
changes reg'lar old thc into delta-9-thc, which
is more pyschoactive, maybe the heat and acid in water do the same thing?
TOPIC - KQ, cov, Helpin'Rob, 180
DATE - 19:33:33 6/02/99
FROM - Blazer
KQ You left out Your opinion of the product produced there Amigo. Have
You tried this 1 yet? T2 seems to diggit so I
better break out the blender it sounds like;)
*cov The wheels are still tight and rolling. Where do I look 4 Ya? Irc
still? I'll be looking.
*Helping Rob Thunderheart is correct. But I say the more LUMENS the better!
Heat is Your limiting factor there I bet. I
just know from experience that stepping up the wattage w/ aircooled hoods
has made BIGGER BUDS and much more
density. Not only more lumens, but more penetration too. OH and if hieght
is limited. a/c'd hoods let Me drop the lights
on the gals heads, 3 inches away from the bulb w/o any problems here. More
$, but it pays off IMO. Like I always
say...soo many ways to do practically the same thing;) It's a damn weed!LOL
180 I found that email. Some reason england took several days to deliver
a few emails, that I don't get!
Blazer
TOPIC - cold water extraction for stonerg
DATE - 17:29:44 6/02/99
FROM - m.g.
i copied from the net a while ago...HTH
*********************************************************
One handfull trim, 1 cup ice, in a chilled blender. Add water to about
half full. Pulse at low speed for a minute or so, let
stand for a few minutes untill it settles down,
carefully scoop out most of green mashed up crap with a small strainer.
Strain liguid into a big jar or whatever (a cone
shaped glass or metal cone with a petcock at the bottom would be ideal).
Strain the liquid thru a strainer, then a "gold
coffee filter" like you can buy for a Krupps or Braun coffee maker. I strain
5 or 6 blender loads into a 1 gallon jar - you
can pour off half the liguid as it settles out - you should be able to
see the white or golden trichomes accumulating at
the bottom of the jar. Decant off most of the liquid, or siphon off with
a vinyl tube, like racking off home brew from the
fermentation bucket. Finally, pour the stuff that contains the pollem thru
a paper coffee filter. If you had a cone-shaped
rig with a petcock, you could just draw off the hash containing liquid
at the bottom. Be sure to rinse the jar into the filter
paper. Let dry and wallah! you have pure trichomes. If you have enough
you can press it into hash, but the trichomes are more stable when left
uncrushed - absolutely will be the
best hash you ever smoked.
TOPIC - resin, water, and THC
DATE - 16:46:10 6/02/99
FROM - stonerg
trelaway, you seem happy with the boiled herb. The idea is that you've
got some shwag mexi or something, right? I'm
going to be running out of herb soon, and it looks like the mexicali blues
for me, and maybe I'll try that. What did you
mean, though, by the "hash-ice cube thing?" I assume it's some way to get
the really water soluble stuff into cold water
while getting the cannabinoidinal-type compounds into a water-water extraction,
and then making hash?... wild.
TOPIC - Blazer
DATE - 14:44:57 6/02/99
FROM - cov
Hey Blazer...long time no see...wondering how your wheels are :) find me
online if your up for it-
TOPIC - 180
DATE - 10:54:36 6/02/99
FROM - KQ
Thanks for noticing! Resin vs water? well, there would be quite a few variables
here. Even the size of the resin head
makes a difference (volume vs surface area) if there is any diffusion going
on. Also time factor. The longer, the more it
can saturate the water solution. Temperature is undoubtedly important here,
also the pH of the water. There is some
dude over at the Lycaeum chats that claims to extract his stuff very nicely
in acidified H20. I can find no hard evidence
for this, but he claims to be getting his college degree in chemistry.
There may be something to this.
I do not know how to test the "thc in the tissues" theory. I guess you
could strip the skin off of some twigs and
branches to get all the exterior trichomes off, then do an extraction with
some good solvent or make tea like stonerg
did! This is a very stimulating idea 180! Thanks.
We've only been told THC is not water soluable, now I'm finding refernces
and anecdotes that support otherwise. I have
no personal knowledge of this cuz I still got adequate nonpolar solvents!!
TOPIC - KQ
DATE - 05:28:33 6/02/99
FROM - 180
on the THC solubility thing: that's some isolated or extracted form of
thc, right? we know from experience that the resin
itself is not water soluble to any major degree in room temp water....
this leads me back to a question i've pondered in the past: how much of
the plant's thc is in OTHER parts, i.e., not in
the resin glands on the outside of the plant? if you soaked the weed at
room temp to extract the chlorophyll, etc, was
there thc IN THE PLANT'S TISSUES that was extracted by this method, or
was resin actually dissolving? we know
from experience that higher temps WILL dissolve resin, but i'm wondering
what thc yield you would get in the water at
room temp....just food for thought :-)
TOPIC -
DATE - 23:14:30 6/01/99
FROM - KQ
Stonergy and Trelaway, the solubility if thc is 0.28 g/100 mL at 23 C.
Thats over a quarter gram per about 1/2 a
cup-o-water! No wonder you were blitzed!
http://www.chemfinder.com/ and do a search on thc
TOPIC - vic
DATE - 20:59:11 6/01/99
FROM - cedartop
thanks for your quick response to my question.
TOPIC - Help for Rob
DATE - 20:23:54 6/01/99
FROM - Thunderheart
Rob,
I have grown in a similar configuration as the 3 x 2.5 as you mentioned,
but i had no height constraints. I think you
could get excellent results with a 400W HID as Budm mentioned, but a 250W
would work as well. I find that if i have a
low wattage light source, i don't get as intense about expanding my operation.
I still have the urge to grow in a huge
area, but it is just not safe for me. A small closet will suffice.
As for strains, you will need to be picky, as your height is very low.
Remember the light souce could take take almost
a foot off of your height, as well as the 8-16" buffer between the source
and plants. This gives about 3ft of plant/pot
room. Very short indeed! Pick an indica and bend and train it as much as
possible. Do check over at weedbase, as
ChaCal is an expert on this.
TH
TOPIC -
DATE - 19:15:44 6/01/99
FROM - trelaway
stonerg--That's interesting about the water getting u stoned. I figure
yer right, that the warm water loosens the crystally
shit and some falls off. The person who's message I got the idea off of
does the ice-cube in a blender hash thing to
collect the stuff outta what you drank.
I have to admit I was really surprised when i got stoned off of the boiled
pot. I did another batch for an hour. It took two
days under a ceiling fan to dry out but the smoke was easier to take and
I got really baked.
Just made a pound of shake butter--yeah!!!!
TOPIC - Mighty Mite x skunk
DATE - 18:16:08 6/01/99
FROM - Mighty Mite
Johnny Green thums:
The potency of the mighty mite would be above average. When the seeds were
purchased, a friend of our had paid alot
of money for some bubbleberry's, and they did not turn out near as good
as our MM x SK. I found the plants to have an
extreme amount of odor in the early stages of life, and turn unbarible
after they began to flower. The plant turns really
resinus, coated with thc crystals, and when you purn the plant, your fingers
become coated in finger hash. For
outdoors, it seems to be fairly potent. The early flower charactoristic
puts the plant into heavy flowering during the
hotest month in the summer which must increase the potency and yeild of
the bud. Often the bud stems break in half
over the weight of the single cola bud! Yee-Haw! I would highly recommend
any Mighty Mite strain for the outdoors. I
have had nothing but sucess with my strains.
Its pure indica by the way.
TOPIC - seeds mailorder
DATE - 18:01:59 6/01/99
FROM - cynkatt
i wish to know specifically
THE top three seeds u sell
and any other more private details i
should kno via email thx
TOPIC - boiling herb
DATE - 15:37:41 6/01/99
FROM - stonerg
Trelaway - I used to boil herb too - until I drank the water and was baked
for about 24 hours. That made me think twice.
Now what I do is soak it in a coffee filter in cold water for 2 days or
so then discard the water.
I told a chemistry guy about this and for whatever reason, he said that
made sense, and that boiling causes thc to
become sort of, kind of, water soluble?
I dunno; its just my experience. I love the coffee filter and the cold
water for pre-hash prep -- though I just played around
with the butane and was impressed, probably don't need to soak the herb
at all, though I'm starting to wonder if I
should have used the PVC for the pressure (I was being cautious) it would
create because my yield seemed a little
low. Like I said trelaway, this advice is worth what you paid for it, haha.
Take it easy everybody...
TOPIC - Rob & Kenkeman
DATE - 07:51:56 6/01/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
Rob- afoafs veg closet is a/b that size he uses a 400mh in that space,
they run about 140usd complete with everthing
needed in kit form, and the 400watt kit, is only about 10usd more than
a 250watt kit, and you will be glad you went with
the 400 when it comes time to flower,that will give ya about 65watts per
sq ft, dense flowers for sure. IMO execpt for a
Mom cabinet, indoor cultivation life starts at 400. As for beans, the RSB
are a good choice, af has some going now in
there 6th week veg, and they appear to look very suitable for a small closet,
also
Romberry is a great choice. Abbys Indoor Gardining is a great place for
supplies, there light kits are great quality, at
great prices. The link is at the BCGA main page.HTH
Kenke- You may want to inquire at Weedbase's, "outdoor" fourm, about the
gurilla "holes", there are some seasoned
veteran gurillas there for shure, to help you out.
Peace
TOPIC - Germination report!
DATE - 07:21:40 6/01/99
FROM - Kenkeman
Placed a propagation tray over the ballasts of my floros and on the first
day I germinated 33 out of 55. Another 10 to 15
should start by tomorrow. Jack Flash, Peak 19 and Romberry led the pack
with 2 of 3 cali orange and 2 of 3 Ingamar's
punch coming of age.
I just realized that I don't have enough room for everybody to grow in
my garden without attracting wandering eyes. The
rest will go guerilla style.
About how deep should I make the growing hole? The soil where I intend
to plant is high in clay and I must dig a rather
deep hole so I can fill it with soil and ferts.
Later amigos!
Kenkeman
TOPIC - torog
DATE - 05:33:13 6/01/99
FROM - 180
Torog, the greensand is often used for roses, to enhance their bloom and
make them more resistant to pests. it is
usually used in combination with rock phosphate. the only problem is, both
of them tend to be slow-release, so they
should not be your only source of these nutrients (water on something quicker-acting).
i don't know of anyone using
hort. charcoal, nor have i heard how it's used. i assume it would serve
to absorb and buffer, but not sure...
TOPIC - Rob
DATE - 05:27:20 6/01/99
FROM - binkie&fritz
Rob, check out the link for weedbase posted by vic below. SCW and cha cal
have produced many informative posts
about small cabinet spaces.
TOPIC - Green Sand,Horticultural Charcoal
DATE - 05:25:05 6/01/99
FROM - Torog
Howdy-does anyone know if these two elements are good to put in an organic
based mix with SunShine Professional
Growing mix-I bought them-might as well use it...thanks (ps growing indoors)
TOPIC - Help ?
DATE - 22:52:10 5/31/99
FROM - Rob
I have set up a contained grow closet about 3" Wide * 5" Tall * 2.5" Deep
Need advice on short potent affordable seeds and lighting for the closet.
The Strawberry blonde surprise and fighting cockarell both look good can
anyone tell me the expected height and yild
for both?
TOPIC - crane
DATE - 22:09:43 5/31/99
FROM - Old Bud
You can use the bulb in a pinch and get 1 grow out of it. Be carefull the
stem (glass above the base) is not as strong
as the u model so you need to add support at the end of the bulb. Use a
piece of bare wire or shim stock and fasten to
the hood in a saddle shape.
Good luck
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