TOPIC - vic, you're fine
DATE - 05:30:33 7/01/99
FROM - 180
vic, i politely (hehe) disagree with eric's post below.
we all know that the hempqc link brings in lurkers and newbies. most of
them have the sense not to post irrelevant
questions, because they read the board and see what sort of discussion
is going on. the ones who DO post the
irrelevant or inappropriate Q's MUST be discouraged or "led back onto the
path", otherwise bcga chat becomes
scattered and useless like some other chat boards whose names i won't mention.
if a poster can't figure out that the link from hempqc IS (as described
on the hempqc site menu) a LINK, leading to
another URL, then they OBVIOUSLY NEED a wake up call.
no one should be stumbling around the internet like a drunk, anymore than
they should be out in the street, stumbling
around in traffic. (nothing against drunks, but you know what i mean).
and your comment about parents' "irrational" anger is right on the money.
you as the operator of the site have an
obligation to exclude minors, for their own protection. if they conduct
themselves in a mature fashion and fool us all into
believing they are "self-responsible", then perhaps they also have the
sense to behave that way in the real world as
well, but the ones who act like KIDS really do need to be sent packing,
it's the only RESPONSIBLE thing to do!
peace
TOPIC - ATTN: Budm
DATE - 22:26:40 6/30/99
FROM - KGB
Hey bud, couldn't open that PGP message you sent. Could ya try it again,
just post it to me in ADPC...thanks.
KGB
TOPIC - Smack Dad,180 et all Pyroclay
DATE - 18:38:39 6/30/99
FROM - Blazer
The MH works fine w/o the ignitor cap. needed to start the HPS bulb. Most
types like that have a switch to go from 1 to
the other... Read more and check back. I make HPS ballasts into MH ballasts
all the time when I find a need. It's cake.
The other way around is tricky. I use MH ballasts w. Iwasaki 940 hps conversion
bulbs personally for the end of flower,
they have the best spectrums and life IMO. BUT man they are EXSPENSIVE
as hell. How do Ya put a price on
something like that though when we expect only the best? I recomend buying
HPS ballasts now and merely
disconnecting the ignitor for the HPS bulb when using MH bulbs. I learned
that 1 the hard/ exspensive way too sadly.
FLOATIES in the juice. Most re dislove I've found, but not all. I can't
see it being detrimantal as its still aerobic(not
smelly like stagnant anerobic bacteria).
*Pyroclay is very neat shit as mine contains 97 essential trace elements
in usable form. I tried allowing drippers to
spread it, I may try the pany hose idea NL is soo found of. What's He doin
w/ so many panies anyhow? LOL 1 of them
under each drip line may do the trick IMO. I just had soo many other variables
going w/ My bioponics that I didnt want
another variable to consider and dropped that plan. After 1 more batch
of strait GH hydro nutes w/ a few additives while
still running a biofilter, I've decided it's time to fill the res. again
w/ all the micro organisms I told most of You about last
time. I think the yield was identicle, the only slight difference was in
resin production IMO. The buds dry a lil less sticky
w/o bioponics than with. Otherwise it was a total success, I just need
to dial in the food for the bacteria now I think, it
seemed to thrive w/ nutrients alone, but I can't help to wonder..Here We
go AGAIN! LOL
Blaze out
OH BTW..It's incredible to see some of the faces from HBC and Our other
lil hide outs bringing Our collected info to a
new group of Gents...Sharing is where it's at fellas! It'll get You FAR
w/ Most of Us here;)
TOPIC - irish
DATE - 18:20:40 6/30/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey Irish, your right, that is probably where the confusion comes from.
Just followed that link route for the first time and
it can give a false impression. We'll need to get RC to change that link
somehow. Billy, if this is where you came from,
Eric is right, I owe you an apology. I'm sorry, it's not clear from that
route that these message boards aren't part of
Heavan's Stairway. Hope you understand.
TOPIC - seeds
DATE - 18:03:41 6/30/99
FROM - Vic High
Nah Eric, wouldn't hold it against you, you were willing to speak up with
your known name. Something I respect. About
the seed thing, I tried changing the wording again. However, that seed
page lists a few vendors to choose from and no
place does it suggest buying direct. So I stand by my comments. You see,
what we do is illegal (not to be
condescending). One thing that will get us noticed is angry parents and
this could bring more heat than any of us
needs. That kind of heat is usually irrational.
TOPIC - the billy "issue"
DATE - 17:53:40 6/30/99
FROM - irish
the question asked about the codes next to the strains. this leads me to
believe that billy came here by way of
hempqc's split chat screen. along with many more of the "hi. i like to
get high" posts.
billy... e mail the hempqc address directly, this is just a message board
that happens to be linked to their website. or
click onto the orders page.
mead 'e ate. irish.
TOPIC - Vic high
DATE - 15:47:38 6/30/99
FROM - Eric
VIC
actually i think you owe Billy an apology because i just clicked the link
to your main page and it still says
" strains OFFERED by the association"
Now i know and many others know where you stand on selling seeds but to a new comer it would be confusing.
Another thing I notice is the hard ass you have developed over the last
few weeks...kind of smart assy if I must
say..now Im noone to talk..but I thought you liked to stay ABOVE that.
More of a peaceful guy from what I drew of your
internet personality...But you know i dont care...just thought after reading
SEVERAL posts from you and noticing it I
would post it..hope you dont hold this against me :)
TOPIC - pi mon
DATE - 13:58:45 6/30/99
FROM - nl420
You have what you need buddy.. All you need to do is mix it up and use
it.. Happy trails..
On the "floaties" - I first used the off the shelf product before mixin
my own.. The floaties are normal after standing
awhile.. When I asked my hydro store how long they had it before I bought
it they said it sat on the shelf for more than
a year.. Made no difference here.. Nesta knows what the floaties are, Blaze
ask him to pop in and make a post or
pass it on to you and I to post.. I rubber band some of the wifes panty
hose to the mouth of the bottle I use so no
floaties get into my mix.. Please no comments on that.. ROFL..
8-)_~~
TOPIC - Damn Math, NL
DATE - 13:39:49 6/30/99
FROM - Blazer
Man this conversion shit gets Me every time. I meant 500 ml's of h2o, not
1 liter(1000ml's). I add 5 ml's to each gallon
of res. solution whether it be GH nutes or any other.
Yes I needed warm h2o to fully disolve the sugars and the shelf life is
questionable IMO. I had 1 batch that after a few
months, it had a few floaties in it. I used it after shaking well and all
seemed fine. I think the juice my get "pulp like"
after a long time of sitting, but still does the same job well IMO. I only
have a second here so My post is brief. I'll catch
all the rest later;)
Peace, Blazer
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:35:58 6/30/99
FROM - SmackDaddy
That,s what puzzels me, the mantanace men swap them all the time but I
can't go up to them to ask. They might ask
to many questions. The box the light come in said it would work on the
Halide ballast. This is the first time I have ever
had this type of lighting and it will take some time to get used to it.
Should I even worry about the HPS with the MH? It
lights up just fine.
TOPIC - Correction!!!
DATE - 13:27:08 6/30/99
FROM - SmackDaddy
Forget the first Question right below this message! Sorry I jumped the
gun and forgot the reading process. This is my
first time on here.
TOPIC - light
DATE - 13:26:48 6/30/99
FROM - cedartop
smack, it sounds like you have a mercury vapor/halide instead of a hps
TOPIC - Smell,Taste,High
DATE - 13:13:13 6/30/99
FROM - SmackDaddy
I would like to know of a very low smell type will growing as I have nosey
nieghbors. I would sill like to have a good
taste if possible with a good high. My second question...I have a 400 watt
ballast for hps and mh, when I try the hps
light it only glows a dull errie light. The box the light come in says
to disconnect any peaking capacitor. My ballast is a
commercial lighting ballast made for both lights I thought, it is a GE
M-59 Merc/Halide. I only seen one capacitor as it
had do be dissasembeled and modified for my purpose. Do I disconnect this
capacitor completely and tie the two wires
togather or just disconnect one lead and tape it off? Any help would be
appriciated. Peace be with you.
SmackDaddy...TN
TOPIC - Billy
DATE - 11:35:00 6/30/99
FROM - Vic High
Billy, I'll give you the standard responce that I give all those who email
me about the same thing. No one here sells
seeds. Period. The BCGA webpage is pretty clear about this I believe. The
fact that you come here and ask this
question begs a question from me. Are you mature enough to be growing?
I'll clarify.... growing is illegal. There are
some places where you can go to jail for growing. You must be on top of
things and follow some basic rules to protect
your safety. The fact that you posted that question makes me wonder about
your ability to do that. Me nor anyone here
wants to be responcible for you getting into trouble. I hope you understand.
The short answer? Contact the seed
vendor, they will inform you of the process.
BOB - all things aside, viable THC producing cannabis seeds are illegal
to posess. That must be understood, despite
the lax way it is dealt with. IMHO, they are nothing to worry about, but
the cops DO have the power to charge you if
they desire.
TOPIC - 180-sweetwater
DATE - 09:19:19 6/30/99
FROM - jay
actually 180 steve just uses 4 inch mesh pots filled with hydrocorn..no
organic medium at all...the top inch is a mixture
mostly of wormcastings,but steve makes a mixture much like vic's super
soil mix and sells it(just bare organic
ingredients)you can either add it to a bale of pro mix or what ever..this
is the same mix that he puts with the worm
castings...and his drip lines are 1/8inch...its unreal to see the system..the
plants filter out and use the bad chems to
protect the fish(their shit or in better terms nitrites)so its kinda like
1 working for the other..real cool...
TOPIC - Question
DATE - 08:59:06 6/30/99
FROM - Billy Behe
When i want to order the seeds from your place do i just put on a piece
of paper the code of what seeds i want and the
money in the card and then mail it or should i do something else to it?
TOPIC - pi, sucanat, blazer, pyroclay
DATE - 08:41:25 6/30/99
FROM - 180
sucanat is fine pi, in fact it's probably the best for your purposes. "cold-processed",
lots of minerals, etc.
Blazzzz! have you ever seen a description of breeder steve's "sweetwater"
system? i think he was trying to market it,
don't know. anyway, organic "deep-water" hydro, but with the plants rooted
through an organic medium above the
water. the drip emitters were staked one-per-plant and he added dry nutes
like pyroclay on top of the medium, under
the dripper, where it would be slowly dissolved. this under-the-emitter
method is also recommended on the pyroclay3
package.
pyroclay is more finely milled than most other trace nutrient supplements
that i've seen (powder as opposed to
granular), so it would be better suited to this application. the granular
forms really need to be mixed in the medium.
peace
TOPIC - pot seed legality
DATE - 00:22:44 6/30/99
FROM - trelaway
I think, technically, you can own seed so long as it's non-viable (won't
sprout). However, there are a few retail outlets
where you can buy over the counter seed. The amsterdam cafe is the I'm
aware of and it's in Vancouver.
I don't think it's a big issue to possess them here but it would be if
you were caught smuggling them into, say, the usa.
TOPIC - thanks...
DATE - 22:35:43 6/29/99
FROM - irish
maybe it is time to go shopping...
TOPIC - sucanat
DATE - 18:15:53 6/29/99
FROM - pi
it is not a liquid but golden brown granules.
a product description can be found below. i got it at a health food store
same as the citric acid power.
http://www.wholesomefoods.com/manufact/index2.htm
TOPIC - sucanat
DATE - 18:12:34 6/29/99
FROM - pi
http://www.wholesomefoods.com/manufact/index2.htm
TOPIC - "Wheres My Mojo"
DATE - 17:25:30 6/29/99
FROM - nl420
Pi and Irish.. Not sure about the shelf life.. Maybe Blaze can comment..
Warm water would help disovle it better I do
believe.. Yes that is 1 oz dry weight for the powder.. PI I do not know
what that liquid is that you brought up.. I went to
local super market and they had RAW cane Sugar.. It is golden in color..
Irish Your mix for your GH nutes makes no
difference.. Just add 10ml of the citric/sugar mix to every 1 gal of GH
mix you make.. If you mix up 5 gal at a time then
you would add 50ml, If you mix up 1 gal at a time then add 10 ml.. I change
res every 10-12 days and the citric/sugar
mix lasts for that time period.. You are just adding it as an addition
to your normal nute mix.. make sure you let sit for
24 hrs before adding to res.. It is alot easier to get the ph adjusted
before hand.. I do not experience ph fluctuations
during that 10-12 days in the res.. Hope this helped..
Sorry about my "web math" rofl..
8-)_~~
TOPIC - sorry nl
DATE - 12:25:59 6/29/99
FROM - pi
did not see your correction.
is it necessary to warm the water in order to get all the stuff disolved
and in suspension?
TOPIC - nl420 and Blaze
DATE - 12:21:51 6/29/99
FROM - curious pi
nl>>> this question begs asking. how do you divide
1000ml= 1l by 100 gal and get 5 ml per gal??????? is math on the web different?
i get 10ml per gallon. doh. )))
also what do you do with the concentrate? store it in the frig?
i am assuming we are talking measurement of the sugar/citric acid by weight ie 1 oz by weight of each
i have in my hot little hands pure citric acid and organic sucanat which
is called granulated cane "juice". is this what i
want?
tia
TOPIC - lovely organic citric additives
DATE - 12:14:28 6/29/99
FROM - irish
just for clarification by the way:
so, if GH is used in the 1-2-3 style (2 always being the micro, 3 and one
interchanging depending on the cycle)
you would add the citric mix below at the same ratio as micro (2 teaspoon/
10 mL) always, until clearing?
and this is okay to leave in during a normal 10-14 day changing cycle for
the reservoir?
also, mixing this additive up in the 1 oz/ 1 oz/ 1 L mix... would this have a fairly good shelf life?
my friend's res. is filtered and quite aerated. bacteria has not been a major concern. but a fermentation would be.
OT1***
allantoin is also used as aloe vera for minor cuts and bruises, razor burn,
skin irritation. but, "supernatural" is still hard
to find here.
and while i am at it can anyone tell me where i come up with these silly
questions? irish.
TOPIC - What's the Law?
DATE - 12:12:46 6/29/99
FROM - BOB
Just curious what the law says about buying and possesing marijuana seed.
The question I guess is...is it legal in
Canada?
TOPIC - I stand corrected
DATE - 11:48:15 6/29/99
FROM - nl420
That would be 10 ml not 5 ml.. Dam I hate metric..
TOPIC - thanx
DATE - 11:14:20 6/29/99
FROM - herb lover
id just like to extend my thanx to t2, i a appreciate the help and id be
happy to return the favor anyday, just email me.
TOPIC - bit off topic but concerns email
DATE - 11:07:49 6/29/99
FROM - cedartop
i get the andover net newletter every day and ran across this supposedly
secure email software. thought i'd post the
link if anyone is interested.
Link:
TOPIC - Webby
DATE - 10:40:06 6/29/99
FROM - Blazer
I'm a GH using hydro guy too and haven't had any problems You mentioned.
If this does happen w/ the juice We
mentioned, You need much more aggitation/arriration in Your res. IMO. I
get NO organic sludge or settling of anykind in
My res., but I also filter and circulate the shit out of My res. w/ pumps
and airstones. You think it's fermentation or
maybe the res. is going anerobic on You?ie stinky bacteria opposed to aerobic
which is beneficial. I've found adding o2
and circulation keeps My res. clear and clean as a whistle. I'm a drip
fan too so filtering is a big must.
I hope I hit the Q for Ya..I bet I got a lil to elementary for You on the
bacteria etc...just checking;)
Blazer
TOPIC - Citric/Sugar
DATE - 05:54:34 6/29/99
FROM - nl420
Webfish - You dont use it during clearing.. Plain water is all that should
be used to clear out the plant.. The mix should
be used during the Veg and Flowering Cycle only.. My experience with using
it during clearing keeps some of the
chem taste lingering..
Curious G - 1oz each of the powder will treat 100 Gal. So whatever aount
of water you use to mix the powder with, you
divide by 100 and you get your per gal measurement.. This confused the
hell out of me too but is quite simple.. Blaze
takes 1 oz raw cane + 1 oz of citric acid + 1 Liter of water.. Mix it thouroughly...
Now dive 100 by 1 liter and you get 5
ml.. So you would add 5 ml of the mix to every 1 gal of water used.. phew..
I can't comment on the soil/ph question but
the Citric/Sugar mix should just be added to your nute solution.. It has
only moved my ph down about 2 then it goes
back up to where it was or very close within the hour.. I mix my nute solutions
24 hrs or more before I plan to add it to
my res.. This allows everything that is gonna settle or mess with me to
adjust..
8-)_~~
TOPIC -
DATE - 04:18:54 6/29/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Asking Q's like the difference between sat and indica here is not what
this page is about read the book at this link then
come back and ask relevent Q's
Link: MJ growers handbook
TOPIC - Citric / Sugar Supplements
DATE - 20:06:17 6/28/99
FROM - Curious George
A tip of the hat to Blaze and the folks who posted those articles by Dr.
Thomas ( even though all the tech talk was hard
to read in small print ). Very interesting stuff.
I'd like to give it a shot on the tomatos & peppers out back. Since
there are several variety's in multiple buckets, there
would be side-by-side controls.
I'm lousy at math, so will somebody tell me how the "2 oz. per 100 gal.
of nutrient solution" recipe given in the article
compares with the "2 oz. per 1 liter of water diluted 5 ml. per gal." that
Blaze posted?
It sounds like something to use as a supplement after the usual watering
a few times a week. What PH changes
should we expect, if any, in the soil?
That article also mentioned using seaweed products. Since various liquid
seaweed supplements are readily available,
what would you have to add to that stuff to get the acid portion of the
treatment?
Thanks again for the tip.
TOPIC - citrus
DATE - 19:31:03 6/28/99
FROM - webfish
Blazer on the clearing subject I have tried citrus, but not powdered and
raw sugar and it always ferments and stinks in
my tank using only GH will the powderd do this also??I have noticed a huge
increase in flavor infact it also brought out
the fact that I was over feeding,I cut nutes in half growth is the same
or better and flavor and smell are 2 to 3 X....
TOPIC -
DATE - 18:09:03 6/28/99
FROM - Mofo
I would just like to know what the differnece is between indica and sativa.
Another question i have is if the climate in
Miami, Fl is suitable for growing marijuana and if its better to grow inside
or outside. And if i were to start growing
would it be better to start off with seeds that i get or seeds from the
internet.
TOPIC - pyrolite. pyro clay etc
DATE - 14:29:43 6/28/99
FROM - Blazer
I've read about these products and have followed some greenhouse studies
w/ this stuff. The products I've treid just
gunked up all kinds of shit sadly, I haven't found a keen hydro application
yet. I'll dig up that article too, it has actual
pictures of different plant beds w/ different amounts of clay added and
some w/ none. MAJOR differences when used
right IMO and thiers, I just haven't pinned down the "how to" part on the
hydro end yet. I'll find it, it's also written By
Dr.Thomas or 1 of His chronies up there. I forget if it was in The Growing
Edge or 21st. Century Gardening. Both are
EXCELLENT publications, always on the cutting edge of technology.
TOPIC - T2, NL,180 all..G GREEN
DATE - 14:22:06 6/28/99
FROM - Blazer
T2 I wish I could of given You the slow cured stuff...Just like candy man;)I
wished I had a kola of it then to show off, I'm
damn proud of this gal and what I've tweeked her into doing.
NL thankYou for posting that! I was dreading trying to Myself.
180 I know soil user's use it, but not sure how exactly. I'd say it's the
same or damn similar.
ALL That "juice" can be made at home for a few bucks. Go to a brewery shop
and buy citric acid in powder form, then
get some raw, unprocessed sugar from the grocery store. This sugar still
contains mollasis etc.. I mix 1 dry oz. of each
powder together in 1 liter of warm h2o and mix well. Then w/ every res.
change, I add 5ml's of the juice to My res per
gallon of nutrient .. It drops PH hard for a day, but quickly rebounds
as citric is a week acid. USE THIS THE ENTIRE
PLANTS LIFE, not just flower. I promise You haven't tasted or smelled sweeter
fruit in Your life bud wise. I've found that
I can pull a few buds w/o clearing anything and they still taste great,
no chemmy taste at all. After a weeks flush w/
clearing solution or h2o...LOOK OUT BABY!
That's why Luther says it's the Flavor Factor, I'm going on 2 years of
using it now w/ nothing but the best of results
IMO. Hell I have some pot that smells so fruity, poeple think I beat a
skunk w/ a honeysuckle bush and the smoke
couldn't be any easier on the lungs. LOL It's nothing short of amazing
and just simple plant chemistry.
G GREEN Thats a new 1 to Me, very ingenious of You to make that discovery
IMO! I bet the tea part doesn't hurt
fertilizer wise either, very cool idea.
Blazer
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:45:35 6/28/99
FROM - t2
herb lover heres a link to an excellent grow guide,also check out the pages
at www.weedbase.com and
www.cannabis.com
Link: grow guide
TOPIC - GROWING MY OWN STUFF
DATE - 13:01:30 6/28/99
FROM - HERB LOVER
WHATS A GOOD WEBSITE TO GO TO, WERE I CAN LEARN TO GROW AND PRODUCE MY
OWN WEED, ITS
TOO EXPENSIVE TO BE BUYING ALL THE TIME. ID APPRECIATE THE HELP.
TOPIC - citric acid & sugar
DATE - 07:09:04 6/28/99
FROM - GGreen
As I've said before, instant iced tea mix. I use Lipton, but I'm sure any
brand will do. Main ingredients: Sugar and Citric
Acid. It's good in soil too, that's my own personal observation as I've
never done hydro. When I mix my high
drainage(lots of perlite) organic medium together I also add some brewers
yeast, mollasses, humic and fulvic acids just
to get the microbes off to a good start. Of course, liquid seaweed is used
from day 1 'til the last few days of flowering. I
hope that helps someone somewhere.
Peace
TOPIC - thank you NL420
DATE - 05:34:00 6/28/99
FROM - 180
thanks for the info!
TOPIC - flavorizing....
DATE - 22:55:32 6/27/99
FROM - irish
if i remember correctly, wasn't there a time limit on keeping that organic
supplement in a hydro res?
could a person leave this biolife mix in a res for a two week cycle? (using
daily and/or to clear) or should it be
supplemented with the daily diet always?
spit it out, irish.... i guess i am asking...supplement GH nutes like a
"pure blend" product? and if you can, maybe a
little recipe/ratio (flower to bloom) please... thanks
always a greedy boy when it comes to knowledge.
TOPIC - "Dr. Luthor Thomas"
DATE - 15:52:10 6/27/99
FROM - nl420 8-)_~~
Hey 180 - Blaze is right with the sugar/citric trick.. His store bought
product is called "Bio Juice Keto Plant Acid
Catalyst" I have been using it now for about a year.. 2 articles follow
that I pulled from weedbase..
http://www.laughing-moon.com/forum/geni/messages/31.html
----- Begin Articles -----
-- "The Flavor Factor" --
What constitutes a delicious tomato--acid, sugar, or a combination of both?
Centaintly the type of tomato one choses
to grow will determine its specific taste; there are around 4,000 tomato
hybrids available. But what is it that
unlocks the fruit's full flavor potential?
The biochemestry of plants can be separated into two groups known as primary
and secondary metabolism. The
primary metabolic systems are carbohydrate, the citric acid cycle, amino
acid, purine and pyrimidine. The secondary
metabolic
system consists of two major sections, isoprenoids and acetogenins. Isoprenoids
consist of steroids, carotenoids and
polyisoprenoids for the synthesis of vitamins A, D, E and K. Acetogenins
are benzophenones, acetogenin alkaloids,
flavonoids, fatty acids, antibiotic macroides, etc., which are mainly responsible
for the taste and smell of the fruit and
plant.
Tomato plants cultivated in hydroponic systems and sub-standard soil (with
low organic content) often have secondary
metabolic systems which are at best marginal in performance. A deficient
secondary metabolic system is indicated by
a lack of plant and fruit odor.
During low periods of photosynthesis, primary metabolic systems deter the
production of plant acids, sugars and
amino acids essential for the maintaince of secondary metabolic processes.
Under natural conditions in which the
tomato plant is growing in fertile soil, there exists a supplemental reserve
of acids and sugars to maintain the energy
requirements of the plant. Tomato plants add to
this reserve by secreting citric acid from their roots into the soil.
Hydroponic plant roots are clean and white in appearance from constantly
being washed by the flow of inorganic
nutrient solution. In the process, plant acids secreted by the roots have
become diluted to such a level that a viable
factor in plant metabolism is lost. This practise restricts an important
biological pathway influencing primary and
secondary metabolism. Thus, it's not difficult to understand why many hydroponic
fruits lack an odor and taste.
Remove a
biological system, something has to suffer.
How does one manipulate a hydroponic system to correct a deficient secondary
metabolic system in tomato
plants?..... Simply increase the plant acid and carbohydrate content of
the plant to get the primary metabolic system
functioning properly.
In primary metabolism, the tricarboxylic acid cycle--also known as the
kreb and citric acid cycle-- contains citric,
aconitic, isocitric, succinic, fumaric, malic and oxalacetic acids. Citric
and malic acid are considered accumulator
acids in many plants. For example, citrate is a major constituent of oranges,
lemons, strawberries and tomatoes, while
malic acid is strongly represented in apples, plums and cherries. The type
and amount of acid varies according with the
phase of plant development and environmental conditions.
Only the plant kingdom is genetically capable of accumulating high concentrations
of one or two acids within their
cells, but never to the extent of excluding the
minor acids, which are always present in catalytic quantities.
The minor acids, oxalacetate and a-ketoglutarate, do not accumulate to
any great extent because they are rapidly
converted by transanimation into other metabolic compounds. A-ketoglutarate
acid funtions in the assimilation of
inorganic ammonia nitrogen to produce a precuror amino acid. It also funtions
in carbohydrate and lipid metabolism.
The other minor acids accumulate in some plants, sometimes so much so that
they end up becoming a major
constituent of the plant. For example, Aconitic acid is the major acidic
componant of sugar cane juice. In maize
seedlings, aconitic
acid is found in the older parts of the roots, and in the young shoots
of wheat and rye it is the most plentiful acid.
Isocitric and malate acid comprise the bulk of acid in blackberry fruit.
With such examples in mind, an understanding of
the plant acid biochemistry of different species is important for creating
an appropriate feeding and physical
environment.
As mentioned, in nature supplemental acids and sugars are available in
soil for assimilation by plants. These plant
acids and alcohol sugars represent a source of vital energy in the synthesis
of protiens, lipids, etc. Sucrose, the
principal sugar of higher plants such as tomatoes, is none other than common
table sugar. Research has
demonstrated the ability of plants to assimilate sucrose. The tomato plant,
when fed small amounts of sucrose in a
hydroponic environment, displays increased turgor, vigorous growth and
darkening of the leaves. Many hydroponic
nutrient solutions lack this important sourse of metabolic energy and there
is no reason why they should be.
Soluble seaweed is an excellent source of sugars and B vitamins, but short
on plant acids. Commercial products that
contain plant extracts are another source of plant acids and sugars, but
they can be costly. My favorite formula is very
simple, very inexpensive and proven through use to be very effective. It
is a mixture of 50 percent citric acid and 50
percent raw sugar cane. In Austrailia this formula can be purchased as
Bio-Earth Sea Acids, marketed by Waterworks
Horticultural of Melbourne. (Pure Food Hydroponics....in USA now market
all of Dr. Thomas's BIOPONIC products)
For those of you who do not dwell Down Under, raw sugarcane is a plant
extract containing sucrose, alcohol sugars
and plant acids. Acid percentages are as follows: citric, 0.21; malic,
0.22; aconitic, 1.45; succinic, 0.05; glycolic, 0.04;
mesaconic, 0.05 and a trace of fumaric acid. The recommended usage is at
the rate of two ounces per one hunded
gallons of nutrient solution. For the hobbyist, citric acid and raw sugarcane
can be found in most supermarkets, health
food
stores or bakery supply outlets.
Dr. Luthor Thomas holds his Ph.D in plant biochemistry. He is recently retired and has settled in Utah.
Above article taken from The Growing Edge ...... volume 7, number 2
------------------------
-- BIO Line --
The Bio line of organic supplements include Bio Juice (NPK 1.5-1.5-1.5),
Bio Bloom (NPK 5-8-5), Bio Juice Keto Plant
Acid Catalyst, and Pyro-Lite silicon clay (NPK
0-0-2).
Bio Juice and Bio Bloom, formulated by Dr. Luther Thomas, are described
as 'hydrolysed mixtures of organic ion
precursors, which are utilized by the plant's biosythesis metabolic pathways'
to enhance taste, smell and plant genetic
potential. Formulated to meet the requirements of a bioponic system in
conventional hydroponics, the Bio line
duplicates the biogeochemical activity that occurs naturally in organic,
fertile soil. According to the manufacturer, Bio
Bloom also promotes dense flowering far better than guano.
Bio Juice Keto Plant Acid Catalyst has been formulated to increase the
tricarboxylic acid levels within the plant,
promoting growth and greater yields - the catalyst is designed to compliment
inorganic nutrient solutions and enhance
normal plant processes.
Pyro-Llite is an aluminosilicate zeolite clay that has a high cation exchange
capacity. When exposed to water
solutions having a weak acid, the clay releases
monosilicic acid, a systemic repellent of microbial pathogens and some
insects. Pyro-Llite clay also supplements
trace elements, reduces wilting, and stregthens plant tissue.
Above taken from the NEWS & PRODUCTS section of Practical Hydroponics & Greenhouses issue 34)
----- End Articles ----
Hope this helps some.. Happy growin..
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:15:49 6/27/99
FROM - t2
blazer i agree with you if your talking about the taste but hydro bud still
looks like hydro bud haha.tha sample i tried
was very nice indeed,tasted sweet and very easy on the lungs
TOPIC - greets blazz, greenbear, Mofo, noobee
DATE - 13:29:08 6/27/99
FROM - 180
hello greenbear, sorry i haven't emailed! good to hear the genius is hanging
in there. my best to u-no-hoo! :-)
blazz, i wonder what that citric acid does in the res??? it might be reacting
with some of the nutes (chelating to form
citrates)...hmmm. does dr. luther use this solution in soil or hydro? it
might be inappropriate for soil use in certain
conditions, i dunno.
if you have all that dr. luther stuff on your hard drive, do you think
you could send it to me via email? i would be most
appreciative :-)
Mofo: in miami if you had the safe outdoor location you could grow any
type of weed you want, florida has a long
growing season. but you would have to water it alot, since it gets so hot
there. indoors, you would need some
SERIOUS air conditioning to control the summer heat. if you could, it would
be good to grow outdoors during the hot
months, indoors during the winter. we should all be so lucky!
there's plenty of good weed available commercially in florida, but you
may not get seeds in the best weed, and the best
weed is what you want to grow, so you might get tired of looking for seeds
in bags and order them instead. ordering
has its risks but if you ask around and read what others have to say, you
can make an "informed decision". after that
you just hope for the best :-)
you will find the "seed and breed" info on other discussion boards though;
generally don't discuss seed sellers here.
look at www.cannabinoid.com or www.weedbase.com for info about where to
buy seeds.
noobee, growing from seed every time is hard, so you want to keep your
best plant and clone it if possible. it's not hard
to learn to clone, and "obtaining" good clones is alot harder unless you
know someone who has them for sale (this is
not the case for most newbie growers). you DON'T want to get clones from
someone you don't know and trust,
because it is risky as hell and could be a bust, not to mention a rip-off.
do you think just any grower would sell you a
clone of her best plant? think about it!
peace (freedom from harassment)
TOPIC - Vic, Hydro weed taste
DATE - 11:50:09 6/27/99
FROM - Blazer
Vic I couldn't agree more w/ the below post;)
Hydro wise, I have been using a simple solution of raw sugar and citric
acid mixed up in My res. w/ all other nutes. I'll
bet My last $ You cannot tell if it's hydro or organic! I have also noticed
w/ this same solution, clearing isn't nearly as
difficult or even needed. It was developed By Dr. Luther Thomas(famous
from the mag. Growing Edge) in an article
called "the flavor factor". This lil concoction caters to the plants kreb
cycle all thru all growth stages. It makes all fruits
and veggies so much prettier, tastier and smooth as all get out! It's too
simple and very proven/well kept secret IMO.
Very similar if not identicle to Biojuice or the like. I'll find the info
for Ya's if You like.
I've been away so if I missed any Q's directed at Me..sorry, ask again
please. Chatty bastages We are;)
Blazer
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:34:02 6/27/99
FROM - Mofo
I would just like to know what the
differnece is between indica and sativa.
Another question i have is if the climate
in Miami, Fl is suitable for growing
marijuana and if its better to grow inside
or outside.
And if i were to start growing would it be
better to start off with seeds that i get or
seeds from the internet.
TOPIC - trelaway
DATE - 00:37:09 6/27/99
FROM - Old Bud
Could'nt agree with you more. The real quality weed is kept for special
clients or for their own use. Thats why I grow
my own, but dont get wrong I think organic tastes better than hydro. I
only use hydro to keep myself amused, I like
playing with all the pumps and pipes etc. Only wish I had more room haha
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 00:32:31 6/27/99
FROM - oldtimer1
greenbear Haha sent it weeks ago thought you hadn't had time to contact
me nice to know it finally arrived. I hope our
friend is doing ok.
TOPIC - How to get clones?
DATE - 16:49:49 6/26/99
FROM - Noobee
I've been nurturing seedlings for the past 3 weeks now.. am starting to
realize how much better clones will be.
How available, safe or both are clones?
TOPIC - OT!
DATE - 14:36:44 6/26/99
FROM - greenbear
Hey OT the birthday card came four daysago Thankyou!(It made at least TWO
Atlantic
crossings! but it made it!
TOPIC - still kickin' n' screaming
DATE - 14:32:16 6/26/99
FROM - greenbear
High all, it's been REAL exciting the last few weeks! Vic your .75 Romulan
is doing well,along
with the Genius.I'll see that they get to where they need to go.
la.bud- they did there thing-lots of VERY interesting crosses
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:16:17 6/26/99
FROM - 0ldtimer1
Budm you have mail reply to my other account! Ot1
TOPIC - Old Bud
DATE - 10:40:47 6/26/99
FROM - trelaway
Hey man,
Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against hydro pot, so long as it's cleared.
I've been living on southern Vancouver
Island for a decade and while I agree there is decent weed around--commercial
quality, in B.C., is in decline.
TOPIC - schwag exports
DATE - 09:53:13 6/26/99
FROM - zip
Why offer them gold when they line up to buy silver?
heh heh heh
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:03:25 6/26/99
FROM - Mofo
I would just like to know what the differnece is between indica and sativa.
Another question i have is if the climate in
Miami, Fl is suitable for growing marijuana and if its better to grow inside
or outside.
And if i were to start growing would it be better to start off with seeds
that i get or seeds from the internet.
TOPIC - Trelaway
DATE - 03:01:24 6/26/99
FROM - Old Bud
Theres lots of GREAT BUD here in BC, The only problem is there is too much
good bud here in BC. I got the
smooooooothest around (imho) and its not organic!!! Whaaaa!
Treated several friends behind the the bar (20+ year smokers) tonite the
best I had. Said it was the best they had (too
bad I had to tell it was from down south). Been to adam, sort of the "macdonalds"
of Weed. BC rocks, while the others
read poetry!!!!!!
62 years old, still rockin!!!!!
OLD BUD
Party on BOB Seagar!!!!!!!
Sorry VIC I'm kinda fucked up, OB.
TOPIC - BC Weed
DATE - 00:46:37 6/26/99
FROM - trelaway
Chronic Man--B.C. doesn't grow better weed, just more of it. Ya gotta remember
that killer weed is not what
commercial growers are growing. They grow for volume with short flower
cycles.
Don't be fooled, people here are not representative of yer typical BC cash
cropper. Much of the commercial BC pot is
uncleared hydro stuff cut down every forty-five days by people simply in
it for the $$$$$.
The avenue to decent weed is to know a grower or be one.
TOPIC - hey vic... ? about sweet tooth.
DATE - 22:27:09 6/25/99
FROM - anon
do the sweet tooth you have show the same slow veg. growth rate as grapefruit??
got some sweeties at 30 days...
they're very healthy, but they seem to veg slower than past efforts. just
curious if this is a trait... thanks vic!!
TOPIC - Romberry report.
DATE - 21:31:17 6/25/99
FROM - High Dog
Romberry seeds were purchased from Heavens Stairway in March. Got 57 seedlings
out of 60 seeds. After 8 days of
12/12, have found at least 7 that are growing both male and female flowers.
Whats up with that?
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:30:13 6/25/99
FROM - Vic High
Chronic man - from what I've seen, ww and the original pure romulan are
nothing alike. Alot of the confusion comes
from many growers growing a romulan/ww hybrid and this being their first
experience with romulan, they call it that. I've
noticed that many call seeds they get from me as romulan when they are
all hybrids as well. It gives many false
impressions as to what romulan really is. Yes it can get stinky - so take
precautions.
As for the schwag that is exported to the US, you guys are just going to
have to teach your dealers what quality bud it.
Seriously! Afoaf showed some romulan and romberry to an exporter. They
laughed and said "not a chance! Look at all
the brown hairs!" they turned down very high end product in favour of a
boring cabbage like NL type purely on the fact
that it's pistals were less noticeable. Your importers are outdated and
still thinking of the old red hairs of yesteryear. I
hope my american neighbours aren't offended by my comments, just passing
along what I've heard.
Danbo - good to hear. Hope she holds her own this fall :) Say did you get
the real romberry? Can't remeber what all you
were sent. They would be what they were labelled though. I wish I had the
resources to be playing with your beans, but
unfortunately they are sitting in a friends fridge. Really curious about
your and A1's holyweed.
TOPIC - Chronic Man
DATE - 06:33:29 6/25/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
CMan- Afoaf has grow both WW and Rom, and IMO, they are toatally diffrent,
the one respect that they are alike is
that they are both HQ smoke, now this is comparing "Ingmars" WWidow crosses,
perhaps folks see Rom being like
the "standard" WW strain.
Those of you that have read my dis-satisafaction with HGF's "SuperCrystal"
need to read this. Yesterday af cut down a
small branch of a SC clone at about 40 days of 12/12, this
clone unlike the mother had a great spicy Mango bouquet, and under a 30x
magnifiyer was full of tricomes(probably to
the naked eye as well, but I have bad vision), although not smoked yet,
the apperance and smell are way better then
the mom, and by the looks of things ILL bet the smoke will be much better.
A big lesson was learned about maturing
clones can in some cases, far out do inmature moms, even though after checking
some notes, its clear to see the
original mom was put into flower after alternating phylotaxy(7 weeks).
Gotta give those clones a chance. Im not
retracting my comments about Super Crystal being variable, becuse it is,
but next week I think Ill be retaracting my
comments about potency. Live and Learn... Yall have a great weekend;-)
Peace
TOPIC - Romberry
DATE - 04:59:41 6/25/99
FROM - Danbo
Vic, That Romberry is starting to impress me. It's out
growing with the "Big Girls" and holding her own nicely
at 4 feet.
Cronic,I talked with the distributor at Rainbow Farms, a worm poop dealer.
He said you can use 100% castings without
any worry of fert burns. There is however a % where you won't achieve any
better results. He suggests 10 to 25%
mixture and uses red rock instead of perlite. I would add 10% silicate
sand to reduce surface tension and help with
mold and mildew prevention. D
TOPIC -
DATE - 02:02:13 6/25/99
FROM - t2
you can buy a #5 at most any hardware or wal/k-mart. thats probably not
a bad idea but i would test the box out with
some junk mail first to see if they'd deliver to it. once they're delivering
and used to the idea it should be no problem.if
your fake id is good enuff to fool em up front i think your in the clear
for an anonymous po box
TOPIC - safe po box and letterbox
DATE - 23:45:40 6/24/99
FROM - spud
Howdy. Say if a FOAF wanted to get some seeds but didn't want to get them
sent to his address. Anyway, if you go to
a post office with fake id, do those nosey postal workers have like some
sort of database of citizens where they can
look up the ID code number of your ID (say a drivers licence) to confirm
that that particular ID is legit? I mean, down
here in AUstralia you have to fill in a PO box application from that specifically
asks for the ID number. I'd hate to think
that once you have your box, they wait for you to leave then check all
the details on the filled out form, and if that ID
number didn't match the one on the database, they deam it a fake ID and
thoroughly scan every item of mail that gets
sent to that PO box.
On other possibilities for an address, I came across a unit (what we call
small houses) complex around the corner,
which contains 4 units. Out the front, as always, there is a block of mailboxes.
But in this place, they accidentally built
a 5th mailbox alongside the other 4. But it isn't numbered. I was thinking
of somehow matching the number style and
getting a number 5, sticking it on with superglue, and then simply getting
seeds sent there. What do you reckon?
Where would I start looking for letter box numbers (metal ones in stylish
writing)? And do you think the other residents
will notice, or even care? DO you think maybe if I get them sent to unit
5, but I don't put a number 5 on the unused
letterbox, that the postie will just figure that unit 5 letterbox is just
the last one next to 4 even though it lacks a
number? Is it worth chasing up a number to stick on?
Sorry for the long post.
TOPIC - A few general questions...
DATE - 21:30:33 6/24/99
FROM - chronic man
Well I did a little gazing at a few of the archives here, didn't notice
them before, maybe they were just added. Anyways,
one thing I have noticed, most of you are soil growers. (Organic mainly
so it seems). Thats cool, I haven't really delved
into that yet, am sticking with what works for me. I use Sunshine #4, general
hydro nutes, and
have been adding more and more perlite and worm castings every time. hehe
Is it possible to overdose em with the
castings?? I have been thinking about going with a hydro system, but I've
had such great results with soil, I'm kinda
hesitant. I keep hearing about all the great yields/
quick growing with hydro, so I've kinda decided to try one
of the "do it yourself" aquafarms, just to see what all the fuss is about.
Not trying to start a soil/hydro controversy,
just can't help but wonder.
Vic, I don't know if your tired of my Romberry questions,
but I do have a few more. First of all, is the Romulan similar to a White
Widow??? Maybe you haven't seen White
Widow, I've heard from others that it is similar. Maybe others have some
input on this one?? Also I may have asked
you this before, but I think you may not have answered it.
I've heard that the Romberry is stinky. Is it unbearable,
I mean I've grown stuff that was a security risk before, so
I need to know if I should take precautions.
Also, are alot of you here from B.C?? I get that feeling by reading some
of the earlier posts. I've seen and heard
things about B.C. pot down here in Washington. I've seen
stuff that is like fools gold. It looks great but doesn't do much. I'm
not trying to be an ass, I'm just trying to figure this
out. Have any of you seen any of this stuff up there?? It is a lot cheaper,
and for good reason. I just don't get it. Why
would anyone grow that crap?? Maybe some of you up there know something
about this, maybe not. It just seems to
keep popping up in conversations, and I've been wondering. Again I'm not
trying to start shit.....
P.S. Sorry about the long post...
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC -
DATE - 20:05:44 6/24/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey chronic man - I just had my blinders on, haha and just assumed that
shishkaberry was from SOL. It will be
interesting to hear how they turn out. Cash Crop Ken is a new source isn't
it? Haven't heard too much about that
breeder yet. Hope he does as well as Federation seems to be doing. Well
best of luck on both.
TOPIC - puna butter
DATE - 18:36:57 6/24/99
FROM - pi
have puna butter in veg now
used sensasoak and only got 4 to germinate but i am sure i have one fem already
have more that i am gonna germ but no more room at present.
will keep ya'll posted
TOPIC - Original Hawaiian
DATE - 17:21:50 6/24/99
FROM - Mr. Greengenes
Eric >>>> I too am interested in horsetrading. Your description of the
original Hawaiian brought back some fond
memories from the '70s. Those were the days of AWESOME sativas....Puna
Butter, Maui Wowee, Kauai Electric,
Molokai Madness, Waimea Wipeout, Maui Mango Hash, etc. I'm drooling just
thinking about it. I would love to trade
some beans. Email me at above addy.
TOPIC - Shishkaberry
DATE - 16:57:21 6/24/99
FROM - chronic man
I'm not sure what the deal was with Marc, but I got the seeds. I think
he has two different sources. I got mine from
Cash Crops Sens seeds. I think the Vancouver Island Seed company also carries
the Shisk, but it's called Blueberry x
Afghani there. Which is actually what the strain is. Have you checked out
Marc's website lately?? If not I'm sure you'll
find it there.
I'm very interested to see how the Romberry and the Shiskaberry turn out.
I've been really happy with the White Widow
from Dutch Passion, but like I said earlier, the Blueberry from them looks
like a small yielder. I'm wondering if I have the
real Blueberry. I saw a picture
over at Cannabis.com of a BB plant and it looks completely different than
mine. Check it out over there, it's in the
binary section. Tell me if you think it looks like the BB
that youve had. I guess it looks kinda similar, just not
exactly the same. The leaves look really wide, kind of like an Afghani
looks. Maybe I'm wrong. It'll be the very first
time....LOL
CYA
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - just wandering
DATE - 16:39:17 6/24/99
FROM - ShareCropper
Wacky1
This was a question I posed that was never answered, whether Bone Meal
has a quick enough compost time to be of
much benefit in the average veg/flower cycle. Most of the literature I
have read states that Bone mealís availability is
MODERATE. Meaning that it takes longer to compost to a form where it can
be assimilated by the plant. Exactly how
long is MODERATE! This is fine if you plan on reusing your soil for another
and another and so on crop. Guanoís are
RAPID. Therefore it nutrients can be used by the plant almost immediately.
Oldtimer1 alluded to this and even
suggested the use of Bone Flour which is a very fine, and therefore perhaps
has a more rapid compost time. I looked
for Bone flour only to get a lot of blank stares and perhaps even tipped
off the clerk as to what I was up to. I would stick
with Guanoís. Seems to raise fewer eyebrows. Also, check out WEEDBASE and
search for a post by Elvis A. Presley,
itís a soil mix that uses both the Bone and Guano.
Eric
Back in í76 my brother was stationed in Hawaii and on one of his trips
back home brought some ěMAUI WOWIEî. I
was still in HS at the time and $10 five finger bags of Michoacan and Oaxacan,
were the main stay. He gave me like 5
grams for I think it was a Boston concert and man, made my ears RING, not
the concert, the Hawaiian. One of the
best highs. That was a lot of years ago but it DEFINATLY left an impression.
Chronic man
Remember Operation Green Sweep. Take a TAXI or BUS folks. Itís still not legal!
SC
TOPIC - Does anybody remember if "Northwest Lighting"
DATE - 15:29:09 6/24/99
FROM - is a BUST"????????
Their in Minnesota,
Thanx!
TOPIC -
DATE - 11:48:57 6/24/99
FROM - Vic High
Mofo - take it to cannabis.com, this isn't a suitable place to asking about
seedbanks.
KQ & BD - please get in touch at bcga@mailcity.com
TOPIC - New Grower
DATE - 10:01:54 6/24/99
FROM - Mofo
I would like to know if buying seeds from the internet is worth it. If,
so then what are good prices for these seeds and
any possible good sites for this. I found a reall y good one but donw really
know if its safe. The name is Hempseed
cybershop. just reply
TOPIC - shiskbaberry
DATE - 18:37:02 6/23/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey Chronic man? I thought I remember reading from Emery that he no longer
carried SOL strains and also that
Shiskaberry was no longer available? What's your secret? Got a couple of
friends interested in getting their hands on
some of those seeds.
TOPIC - Green gardens..
DATE - 17:06:00 6/23/99
FROM - chronic man
The grow shop in Bellevue, near Seattle, has been writing down license
plate numbers. A friend of mine got busted
about 6 months ago... he found out thats how it happened.
So don't even go there. I went there a few times with someone elses car,
(thank god), but I know I'll NEVER be back.
I did get some seeds from Marc Emery last week, Shiskaberry,
and they got here in 10 days. Pretty quick. Also I got some Romberry from
Heavens Stairway, and they got here in 11
days. So far the Shiskaberry seeds have sprouted after using the paper
towel method to germitate them. And it's only
been 24 hours!! Pretty amazing...never had any seeds sprout that quick...from
what I've read over at Weedbase and
other sites, the Shisk is a pretty hardy plant, but is prone to go
hermie. I hope not..Anyone have any experience with the Shisk??
Also I've been trying to put together one of those
"aqua farms", made by General Hydro. Someone gave me the
link to a website that shows how to make one yourself.
(http://www.ns.net/~bennu/farmplan.html). Aquafarm Ill try to link it...Looks
cool so far,Anyone have any info or
experiences with these??
TIA
cHrOnIc man
Link: Aquafarm
TOPIC - newbie
DATE - 14:49:57 6/23/99
FROM - pi
this is not the place to ask newbie questions but here are 3 links that
will get to going. read and lurk read and lurk.
http://www.lycaeum.org/~npkaye/
http://www.lycaeum.org/~npkaye/resources.html
http://www.laughing-moon.com/
btw, do not waste your money on a phototron. go to these 2 sites and you
will get better advice on equipment to suite
your needs.
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:34:07 6/23/99
FROM - Newbie grower
I am a new grower and was thinking about investing in something called
the Phototron or one of those machines that
grows pot. If anyone can help me just reply. Thnx
TOPIC - indicaa
DATE - 10:40:08 6/23/99
FROM - pi
alternating leaves indicate maturity
preflowers if differentiated will help you determine sex
TOPIC - thanks old timer
DATE - 09:20:05 6/23/99
FROM - terrytune
it worked i cut new clones off my budding plants and they are all doing
fine already about 14 inches not to bad i think
for the weather weve had also the budding plants are just coming back into
veg double bonus point thank you very
much for your advice on my problem it seems to be working perfectly to
vic high i also took your advice and signed up
for english 12 this fall still hoping for sun regards terrytune
TOPIC -
DATE - 00:55:40 6/23/99
FROM - Ashley Hayes
By the way my email is ashleyhayes69@hotmail.com
Sorry!!!
Love,
Ashley
TOPIC - Let's smoke out!
DATE - 00:54:13 6/23/99
FROM - Ashley Hayes
Hey! I just found out about this cool website tonight! It's so cool! I
LOVE to smoke the herb! I do at least once day! I
live in a little town called Winfield in Alabama! Most everyone who lives
here smokes! I would love to chat with some of
you!! Anybody who would like to...then just email me sometime soon!!!
Love,
Ashley
TOPIC - Pre-flower question
DATE - 23:47:16 6/22/99
FROM - indicaa
Do pre-flowers indicate a plants sexual maturity?
I have 4 AK-47 seedling which are 6 weeks old and two of them are showing
their sex already, the other two are also
starting to show signs as well. Would it be ok to start flowering them,
or should I wait until they show signs of alternate
phylotaxy.
Thanks
indicaa
TOPIC - Hawaii
DATE - 17:08:41 6/22/99
FROM - Danbo
Eric, Are you in the states or Canada. Please me,
don't tease me. Wanna do some horsetrading? My email
is above. I have a friend in Hawaii that would
probably want to inject it back into the Kona Gold
of yesteryear.
TOPIC - little black bugs
DATE - 14:51:15 6/22/99
FROM - eddie
does anyone know what those little black bugs that are on your plants because
there killing my sprouts what insect
repel do i use
TOPIC - ORIGINAL HAWIIAN
DATE - 14:25:39 6/22/99
FROM - Eric
hey folks...
just wanted to say hi and to tell you guys that remember me talking about
the original hawiian i got from a breeder from
there is the absolute BEST smelling pot i have ever in my life been around..it
is absolutly wonderful..I have c99 going
right now and it has nothing in the aroma area even close to this hawiian
(not a flame just a comparison as i know that
lots of you guys are growing c99 now)
It is a lemony smell that is just freakin wonderful to smell..VERY VERY
fruity..very strong comp[ared to c99, niagra,
huron, super skunk, flo or any of the "no name" brands i have...it is so
much more fragrant than the norm. it is all fruity
with NO undertone.
potentcy samples of this strain were VERY GOOD there were only three smaples
taken from three seperate smokers
and this is the results.
My sample was one toke from a hand made one hitter sample pipe made from
blood stone (pipe made by Touches
Earth the native american medicine man that i got the seeds from (he got
them from a grower from hawiia)
I took one toke and KNEW I had taken a hit. about 3 minutes later it kicked
in...it was a nice very visual high..no
paranoia..the high was NOT a body..but a head high...I couldnt keep my
eyes focused or my thoughts..i say a happy
high. Very nice, I can only wait for the crop to come off this fall.
Touches Earth..says that it is everything he remebers hawiian to be and is impressed with it.
Josh..had been drinking a bit (we were around a camp fire drinkin beer
and shootin the breeze when i got the
samples(which by the way were imature buds) josh took one hit and threw
up..HAHAHA..no shit.....tha boy tossed his
cookies
these buds were imature...taken off the branch and put on top of a light
bulb until dry enough to smoke. This crop was
strictly a seed crop as now me have SEVERAL SEVERAL hundred of the pure
and of crossses with the other hawiian
that is defintly a LONGER flowerer.
this is good stuff..see ya folks.
TOPIC - Quantum ponics
DATE - 13:23:13 6/22/99
FROM - søren
High there
is there any one (try the Quantum Ponics)
TOPIC - Older Strains
DATE - 07:38:00 6/22/99
FROM - Curious George
pi: Nobody that I'm aware of ever bothered to save any Columbian seeds.
They just took too long to develop in a
Northern climate. Besides, after the first flush of "goodie", succeeding
harvests of Columbian got worse and worse.
There was plenty of "mersh", and tons of useless seeds in every single
bale.
Before the advent of Indica, Mexican seed was the only game in town, and
even then it was a crap shoot. Remember,
almost all of the growing prior to the mid-70's was of seeded herb. The
Sensi / Hawiian thing hadn't happened yet, and
big, long, thick, bushy, seeded, tops were what was grown both for personal
stash and as a cash crop.
When the first skunky indica's arrived, they were similar, if not identical,
to Afgani #1. About 3 ft. tall at maturity with a
woody stem and one main cola. The seeds were huge, about 5X the size of
a sativa, with a prounounced ridge and a
very long germination time.
It's been said that Columbian seeds grown in Mexico for commercial export
have diluted many of the traditional regional
Mexican strains. There is no doubt when viewing random samples of bagweed
that Indica strains have been brought to
Mexico as well. That prounounced Indica ridge on the seeds is a dead giveaway.
Most of the older seed stocks that have been saved and carried forward
from that time are hybrids of Afgani Indica and
Mexican. Some are nifty, many are not. Due to the problems inherent in
outdoor growing, the "breeding" back then was
haphazard at best, and most of the saved seeds that people have tucked
away are really "suprise" bags. There's no
telling how they will grow.
The seedlings can be dark & vigorous, with wide Indica leaves, and
still mature into sparkling tops with no punch at all.
Had some recently, grown from old, saved, seeds, that was worse than schwag.
Looked fine, smelled fine, but nearly
zip in the buzz department. Maybe some ditch-weed pollen was responsible,
or maybe it's just a natural variation.
Either way, it might not be worth it to re-invent the wheel using these
old strains unless you have a lot of time and
patience, ( or can find some where the hybrid traits have been stabilized
).
TOPIC - nada, whitey cassell's, robert
DATE - 06:38:26 6/22/99
FROM - 180
nada, yep, late flowers. i think sodium lighting encourages this a bit
(anecdotal evidence).
i like to keep flowering males around vegging clones, to pollinate the
pre-flowers on the clones. that way you get a
small number of mature seeds in easy-to-find single pre-flowers along the
stems, rather than seeds in the (sinse) buds,
perhaps hidden inside...
hey pi, don't they have "rat burgers" (aka "sliders") all over the midwest?
maaaaaan, talk about a weird place to visit
while stoned (bright white-and-stainless-steel all around inducing claustrophobia,
weird folks inducing paranoia,
hehe)...freaky.
robert, go back and explore the www.hempqc.com (heaven's stairway) website.
the "seeds" link should have the info
you need.
peace
TOPIC - 180
DATE - 21:29:20 6/21/99
FROM - nada
The seeds didnt look mature, there were few and on a smaller lower bud,
seemed localized since only one bud had
any seed. Strain is fair and not keeping her anyway, but Ill make sure
to keep the few I find when I find em..
thanks
TOPIC - buying
DATE - 20:34:51 6/21/99
FROM - robert
how many seeds do you recieve per order? Do you have clones?
TOPIC - super soil mix?
DATE - 19:22:16 6/21/99
FROM - wacky1
Greetings,A friend has some plants in 5gal pots with vic's super soil mix,The
plants are almost 1 week into the
flowering cycle are very healthly and show no signs of any nutrient deficiencys.In
vic's soil mix it mentions a bat gauno
top dressing a week into the flowering cycle.My question is since this
complete soil mix provides enough nutrients get
the plants through the flowering cycle...Would the addition of the high
phosphorus guano during flowering be just a
waste of money.
TOPIC - piss test
DATE - 17:55:02 6/21/99
FROM - guy
This is the best site I have found on the subject, by far!
If you have to do stress over smoking this helps.
If you smoke every day the only way to expect to pass a piss test is to
carry clean urine with you whenever a test is
possible!
guy
Link:
TOPIC -
DATE - 17:25:37 6/21/99
FROM - H.C.
The jack herrer is really a fine marijuana plant.
A little difficult to grow; but worth it.
TOPIC - super soil mix?
DATE - 17:04:34 6/21/99
FROM - wacky1
Greetings,a friend has some plants in 5 gal pots with vic,s super soil
mix and have been flowering almost a week.The
plants look very healthly and show no nutrient deficiencys.I noticed that
it mentioned bat gauno for a top dressing a
week into flowering.Would this be a waste of time since all the nutrients
the plant can use are provided already in
mix?Has anyone added this during flowering and was there any noticeable
difference.
TOPIC - piss test
DATE - 17:00:56 6/21/99
FROM - guy
The main thing is dilution.
Go to the store and buy some B complex vitamins. if it is timed release,
chew it up. this colors the urine so it doesn't
look like water.
eat one or two about 1 hour before the test.
Get up early tommorrow. Drink coffee, soda, cranberry juice, etc.
If you know about what time you will take it tommorrow then drink a half
to full gallon within about 1 to 2 hours before
the test.
When you are giving the sample let the first part of the stream go in the
toilet. Give them their 60ml and a little more.
Then let the rest go in the toilet.
the surest way is to carry a clean sample in your crotch area if possible.
Hope it helps
It has worked for me TWICE with no notice.
guy
TOPIC - Vic
DATE - 16:52:34 6/21/99
FROM - sb
I noticed on your that you guys have willy jack's
JH x Williams wonder. Have you grown this one?
I grew these seeds in a mix(accident) and believe I have this strain as
a mom now...I really dig it!
Frostiest plant I've ever grown and kinda taste like juicy fruit to me...I'm
just curious
Also what feedback if any have you had on the chemo x ? ?
I was just digging thru the toolbox and found these forgotten gems (Ihope)
TOPIC - cg / light rail
DATE - 16:35:37 6/21/99
FROM - pi
Gorgeous George>>> being old and cranky your not Gorgeous George the rassler
in cognito are you??? good to see
you do not take yourself toooooo seriously and you have a sense of humor.
we are laughing WITH YOU not at you.
heh. must be from near buckeyland to mention White Castle.
so what kind of strains you got? you can tell us that can't you? have connections
to any of the old strains of the 60's
and 70's???? some columbian hash bud would taste mighty good right now.
light rail>>> had an idea re light rail on how to make it both rotate and
move linearly .... maybe. have never seen one in
person but i would think adding a rack and a pinion gear with shaft to
the rail would allow for getting both motions. just
a thought?????
TOPIC - george
DATE - 16:12:25 6/21/99
FROM - 180
hey george, that was an excellent post. i also have trouble reining myself
in at times. i don't think you need to lurk,
unless you choose to. you obviously have useful things to contribute, and
as vic says, "FEED ME SEYMOUR".
KQ you have email.
nada, on the subject of "late herms" and the few seeds: although there
seems to be a universal hatred and fear of
hermaphrodite plants among growers, the fact is that almost ANY strain
will throw a few male flowers occasionally. not
alot, just a few, more on some strains than others. skunk#1 is an example:
many male flowers may show, even mixed
in with the females in buds. they may or may not be viable. you may or
may not get seeds.
you can learn alot from the seeds themselves: were they immature or fully
developed? where in the bud did you find
them? did you find any male flowers on the plant?
if the seeds were at the base of the buds, inside, and fully matured, then
they got pollinated early, and so on...
if you can figure out where the pollen came from, you might want to save
those seeds. hell, you might want to save
them anyway: kong "selfed" F2's, all female...
peace
TOPIC - "Once more into the breach ... "
DATE - 15:08:43 6/21/99
FROM - Curious George
I have neither the time or inclination to respond to every percieved slight
or lapse of internet posting manners. This will
have to do for now.
sb: I doubt very much that you know me, or vice versa. I'm afraid that
the BS is part of the package, and my best efforts
to be "nice" are often not sufficient. It seems that even a hint of sarcasm
in verbotten in this "reality".
pi: Funny stuff. I had to laugh. Maybe we can get a development deal from White Castle?
Danbo: The soap bit is a good thing, a few drops per gallon every once
in a while. Your home-brew recipe is like a Jerry
Baker trip, and will work.
The Fish Emulsion treatment evidently doesn't produce hermie's unless it's
overdone.
I appreciate all the breeding concern, but my motivation in bringing up
the subject of "all females" in the first place
came from reading several posts elsewhere online whining about getting
many hermies and high %'s of male plants
when using some seed-bank products.
KQ: Have never heard of using methanol vapors, and would be most hesitant
to do so. Somebody else will have to
research that one. I don't mess with poisons anymore.
Grow tricks should be both simple and effective and, hopefully, applicable
to both indoor and outdoor spaces.
Budm: Yeah, the golden rule is a good one, and it's just so easy to be
reactive when being flamed. Thanks for the
reminder.
Numero 180: True, the CO bit Is innatural. But, I only revealed the method
in response to being flamed for witholding it
in the first place, and never seriously suggested that anyone actually
try it. The high N fertilizer method was what I
described First! The mention of the other, dangerous, method was included
as an afterthought, and not intended as a
"tease". As I said previously, I tried it, and I got sick. If anyone wants
to ignore the warning, that's tough.
It's been 20 or so years since I first read that research paper, ( on microfilm
) but I don't recall any ill effects being
ascribed to the plants after the CO treatment. Evidently the plants can
"breathe" it without much difficulty, at least for a
while. The same can't be said for the rest of us.
The large plants we treated with CO some years ago certainly suffered no
ill effects, but they didn't all go female either.
Probably much too late in their cycle to make a difference.
I'm all for "natural" methods, which is one reason I have No interest in
Hydro growing.
Cheap and effective methods are often the best. If you can't put it in
a backpack and haul it through the dismal swamp,
it's probably not worth the hassle in the first place.
Vic: Maybe I should lurk for a while so we can all cool off. As I've said
previously, I'm not a techie, and have only the
slighest interest in internet "manners". I'm old and cranky and have very
few, if any, "humble opinions".
I suspect that very few of the posters here and elsewhere online have any
appreciation for what the herb pioneers had
to go through. How many holes can they clear, dig, fertilize, and plant,
in a day? How far can they carry 10 gallons of
water? How many trips up and down hill before they keel over?
Yeah, I know this sounds "elitist", but in many respects this was, and
is, a war, and many of us who have gone
through the flames have been hardened by the experience.
Ciao.
TOPIC - Test!
DATE - 14:19:34 6/21/99
FROM - Danbo
Admire, Better make it 2 gallons of Draino. It takes 3 to
6 weeks to clean your system. Goodluck!
TOPIC - Weed
DATE - 13:58:51 6/21/99
FROM - admire
Eh, Can some one tell me, if I drink about 2 gallons of water, will that
clean my system out so I can pass adrug test
tomorrow?
TOPIC - Lil F'ers
DATE - 13:45:10 6/21/99
FROM - Danbo
Nada , It's been my experience , if you had a hermie pop
you'd have more seeds. Maybe you pulled some stray pollen in on your clothes.
If the seed was mature , you couldn't
have just happened at the end. I've grown many Kong and they
don't seem to herm easily.
TOPIC - late herm...will cuts be 'late' too?
DATE - 13:41:09 6/21/99
FROM - nada
Hey all-
Not much of a poster, but wanted some feedback on this one....
Recently harvested a few kong crosses and up till the other day there had
been no sign of a herm, however last night I
found 5 seeds in one of the buds. I am assuming that one of the 3 plants
hermed really late since there was so little
polination and had little effect on the flower development.
I have cuts outdoors, at least one of them is from the doner that hermed
but the bud is all mixed together and I am not
sure which one it is from. I understand that the cut from the herm will
herm just as the doner did, however, will it herm
late into flowering as the doner did?
how identical to the doner will it be?
thanks much
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:57:48 6/21/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Sorry about this Vic I won't post any more about it after this one :-A
small update our government has said the usual
thing it a gateway drug. Which has prompted the Scottish health education
board to respond with a statement saying
that the government is talking rubbish that cannabis is relatively harmless
and that its the governments policies that
are making the problem. In that by making such a big thing about cannabis
when people try it and find its affects quite
mild and pleasant that they then disbelieve what they say about all the
other drugs. The Police of course are dead
against it. Which has prompted the SCLIA to comment that statistically
the police use smokers as a soft target to
boost there arrest figures whenever they are a bit low instead of taking
on the task of tackling real crime. I just love this
the shit is really in the fan. The Gov is trying to keep a blanket on the
TV Co's but the BBC radio have been covering it
by the hour all day.
TOPIC - sorry offtopic Vic, but....Pi, you funny bro
DATE - 11:17:51 6/21/99
FROM - sb
Pi
Thanks Loads! Now, when can you come by and clean the coffee off of my
screen and keyboard?
PS: I may have the round room in the works...checking on materials and
playing with numbers today.
Curious G
Do I know you?
I swear that I recognize a character trait!haha! keep that info pumpin'
sans BS please. I love the info even if it is
irrelevent due to it's impracticality
TOPIC - kq
DATE - 10:45:50 6/21/99
FROM - pi
i covered that base i think. note that i said that the methane gas was
converted to methanol for use on your plants.
hehehe
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:42:02 6/21/99
FROM - KQ
Pi that is pricless!! Sent me for a good 2 minute chuckle! But it is the
alchohol called methanol--it has one more
Oxygen atom than methane, the cow fart. So if methanol could have effects
on plant growth, possible ethanol could.
That goes by the name of booze.
TOPIC - i figured out George's secret..... heh
DATE - 10:38:45 6/21/99
FROM - pi
thanks kumquat for your clue..... methanal. as in cow farts.
george has come up with an idea to bag cow farts (methane). he has patented
the first George's Fart Catcher made
from ....
you guessed it ... hemp. leaving no stone unturned left George with the
idea of letting the cows process the hemp via
digestion than making fart catchers from the now processed hemp.
For only $29.95 (3 easy payments of $10.983333333) you too can catch cow
farts and convert it to methanol for use on
your plants by getting your very own
George's Fart Catcher (patent pending) for 3 easy payments.
Buy NOW!
;0)
TOPIC - all female seedlings
DATE - 09:40:03 6/21/99
FROM - KQ
I suppose the deal with CO and all female seedlings would be very fine
if you just wanted buds, but I would never
consider breeding with them. For breeding you would want every last Y gene
to rear its ugly little head--so plant in
shallow pots, give wierd lighting shcedule, low nitrogen, high temps, throw
in some ozone for good measure, and if all
else fails, spray with giberrellate. Only then, look for the female that
has no pollen. That would be closer to a good
breeding mama.
180==> very good humor there. As concerns your spinach weed, it'll toke
just fine or you can blame me for it [8^)...you
have email!
Curious George, have you ever heard of methanol vapors being good for plants?
Some scientist in California has had
dramatic growth increases with plants exposed to low levels.
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:32:07 6/21/99
FROM - Vic High
KQ - thanks my friend :)
OT - that is great news! Definately a step ahead of the various "medical use" initiatives here in NA.
180 - I respectfully disagree a bit on how useful the info needs to be.
I just love the info "FEED ME SEYMOUR!" haha.
It may not be practical in the way it's presented but it would enhance
our understanding of the plants in general. Maybe
in time, as our understanding increases, we will find a practical use for
the info.
HC - I have come across those impotent males from time to time. I usually
just ditch them, thinking it is genetics.
However, I've had males that would freeely drop their load on one crop
and then withhold it on another. This leaves me
to believe it is an environmental or health responce instead. I still have
much to learn about male selection, haha
TOPIC - Wetting Agents
DATE - 06:41:19 6/21/99
FROM - Danbo
I've been using Coco wet for years along with Spray n Grow.
I don't use it in soil application. It can and will
increase the efficiency of your plants ability to take up the available
nutes though. Using soap not only works
as a surficant but also a chealating agent. Just a couple drops though.
Another way to change drainage habits while improving your plants uptake
and your soils tension is to use a sylicate
sand in your mix. I heard tell this is a prevention
for powdery mildew as well.
One beer, one coke , and a cup of household ammonnia.
Put it in a hose end sprayer and watch your lawn green up.
It's true Jay. It's an old fashion cure all. It's like buttermilk and wheat
flour to repell mites. It does work.
George, All the practical study does no good unless
in practice. All forcing female plants do,IMHO,is increase
your chance of a herman. Less crowding and favorable
conditions are still the best criteria for female plants
that'll stay that way.
TOPIC -
DATE - 06:33:49 6/21/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
CGeorge- I have a bit of experience in the water softening business, and
the one thing that comes to mind that
changes the "ionic bonds" of water is Rock salt the sodium ion works in
the machine to preciptate ion exchange in the
filter medium. Could you be thinking of sodium as a wetting agent? Because
if anyones ever taking a shower with soft
water from a "complete house softner system" you come out of the shower
feeling slippery as the water sort-of-sticks
to the skin, its feels like a weting agent has been applied to the skin.Well
I dont know maybe Im just a "youngster" I
am a newcommer to gardening, and out of respect for Vic Ill bite my virtual
tounge, and refrain from further comments.
If you want to be apart of somthing larger than yourself, these are IMO
the nicest folks to do that with on the WWW,
but as in all things in life , the "golden rule" applies
here also.
OT1- That is great news, I wonder what countries desision to decrim/legalize
will be the perverbial "Shot heard around
the world", and start the "domino affect" that is needed for global change?
Have a gret week all.
Peace
TOPIC - arguing against extreme measures
DATE - 05:02:22 6/21/99
FROM - numerologist 180
okay, so total immersion in pure CO "supposedly" resets the sex of the
plants to all female. great!
here's a tidbit for ya george: a round trip to mars will do the same thing!
put all your seeds in a spacecraft, presto: all
female, hooray!! and you can now thank me on bended knee (or with lots
of money).
okay, so your sarcastic rudeness to kumquat (who is no slouch in the brains
or experience department) elicited more
sarcasm. my humble apologies...
we've all heard claims, and we all know how to produce all-female crops
by less dangerous and costly means (forcing
hermaphrodism). the question i ALWAYS ask is, is this something the plant
might encounter in a "natural"
environment???? with the pure CO gassing, the answer is a resounding "NO"!
and you failed to report on the survival rate of the gassed plants, and
on the quality of their finished product: a bunch of
sickly females that have been exposed to a hostile (toxic, mutagenic) environment
are not what we look for here, we
want healthy plants with good phenotypic expression of their inherited
traits...
incidentally, a russian study showed that the sex ratio could be positively
affected (more females) simply by giving the
plants adequate soil depth (root space) after germination.
other processes have also achieved noteworthy results: i believe there
was someone reporting that high-N foliars on
seedlings brought his ratio to 80% female. of course that was anecdotal...
george, we need practical, safe, real-world techniques that can be used
in the hobby grow as well as on a larger scale.
and we need them here and now, for free: that's the purpose of this board,
to disseminate quality info free of charge or
commercial entanglements....
peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 04:30:47 6/21/99
FROM - oldtimer1
A bit of hot news The Scottish Medical Association have today called for
marijuana to be legalised for both medical and
recreational use! One of the things they said is that it is ludicrous that
something as harmless as marijuana should
illegal especialy when compared with alcohol. This should really put the
cat among the pigeons haha!
TOPIC -
DATE - 03:52:30 6/21/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Hi H.C. Nice to see you here! JH is supposed to be a sativa dominant hybrid
and difficult to grow. From the small
sample I've germinated its easy to grow but very variable mainly tall sat
also a short sat and an indica form. The sat
vars smell just like fresh thai very nice indeed. The indica just smells
a bit fruity and went a little hermy dam it.
TOPIC - Oil over troubled waters...
DATE - 03:02:43 6/21/99
FROM - KQ
No problem Vic, I just had to register my dissatisfaction somehow. It will
not lead to any sort of escalation, believe me!
Thanks to George for the monoxide twist. (You seem to be able to ferret
out cutting edge stuff and I admire that. But it
would serve our cause better if the info was made available for all of
us to "overgrow the goverment".) I am not positive it
would take a pure atmosphere of CO to accomplish this. I've been thinking
about pure gas environments lately, George,
and I think I can add a somewhat new dimension here. I was wondering how
to make a pure gaseous environment, and
here is what I came up with: Just flush and ventilate about three times,
that would dilute any air sufficiently. Or wrap the
rootball in plastic, fill the chamber with water, then pipe in gas as the
water drains out.
One thing you didn't say was a what growth stage it worked best with CO.
My guess is seedlings, but, I don't have the
botanical abstract resources that you do. Maybe you would like to *share*
the link with your group? also, how long was
the treatment, how often? I find it pretty wild that CO would turn a ready-to-flower-male-plant
into a female, but life is full
of suprises!
On the topic of CO as a gas, I got poisoned once drilling holes in the
ground with a 2-man auger, gasoline powered.
We worked at it all day and put in 100 14 inch holes into some very hard
but rich soil. I had to drive home that evening
and I kept falling asleep uncontrollably on the road. Just thought I was
super tired, but my bro, who didn't have to drive
had the same condition. I do remember that we sniffed quite a few fumes
during that drilling. So I guess I got some CO
poisoning.
Any one here ever gander at the old popular science and popular mechanics
magazines from around the turn of the
century? Well, I used to frequent a library with the whole collection and
it is just fascinating what these oldtimers could
do. It seems that there were very few restrictions as to what a tinkerer
could buy. If I needed some wierd chems or
gasses in that era, someone in town could get it for me and it would be
up to me not to kill myself. Now we have a
climate where nobody is responsible for their own behavior and it is our
insidious gov't that is creeping in to protect us
from ourselves. I highly resent this! So naturly, when I find someone trying
to protect me from myself, the rebel in me
gets triggered!
TOPIC -
DATE - 02:23:46 6/21/99
FROM - H.C.
HIGH:
People of the BONG. Pervayors of the good herb.
Thanks Ot1 for your timely e-mail. I was beginning to get that feeling
of isolation again. The info. on the flowering time
of jh confirmed what I had hoped wasent true. Its almost identical to ww.
I was really hopeing for a much shorter period
but it looks like all 3 will come in at about the same time.Makes for a
very hectic harvest to say the least.
All I have to say about it; is, its the strangeist plant I have ever grown
but the nicest smelling that have ever come in
contact with.Makes my mouth water just thinking of it.
T2
Got over that little incident with mama but did have to make some real
heavy promises that I must keep. Hell, what
else could I do. They didnt fit the decorum but I had no other choice.
By the way Ot1; I had a real difficult time getting any polen froh the
jh. Not very much and appeared to resent giving it
up. Hopefully there was enough to go arround
I had allways kinda thought that jack herer was an indutca but could I
be wrong?
chow
TOPIC -
DATE - 22:50:10 6/20/99
FROM - t2
high dog thats all i've seen about it so far
TOPIC -
DATE - 20:56:48 6/20/99
FROM - Vic High
George - your posts are slowly becoming less and less welcome. All others
were saying is that why bring it up if you
are not going to share. If you want to keep a secret, then fine, keep it.
But how about laying off the dangling carrots will
ya? KQ, please don't give George the responce he deserves.
George, this is no secret, but I think it's only fair to warn you that
this place keeps a detailed log of those that post
here. Please chill.
TOPIC - Here you go KQ ... enjoy!
DATE - 17:36:55 6/20/99
FROM - Curious George
OK youngster ...
Since you evidently don't have the inclination to get off your butt and
search the botanical abstracts, here's how
researchers reported treating seedlings to cause 100% female plants.
They had the plants in a small, enclosed, area that was airtight. Then,
for a period of several hours, they flooded the
plants with an atmosphere of pure Carbon Monoxide. That's CO, not CO2,
and it will be quite unpleasant if you get a
whiff of it. Of course, you won't even Know you've gotten a snootfull until
you have already been exposed and are feeling
sick since CO has No Odor!
So, run on down to your local scientific / medical gas supply house and
order yourself a big-old tank of Carbon
Monoxide, hook up the regulator and try to figure out how you're going
to remove the room air from the plants, how
you're going to know when the chamber is saturated with CO, how your going
to contain the CO once it's in there, how
your going to completely vent it, and how you're going to avoid gassing
the neighbors and their household pets.
Think it's worth the hassle? Think it's worth the risk? Think it's worth the expense? Think again.
So, in the future, please don't get your shorts in a knot. If I didn't
have the experience, I wouldn't have brought it up. I
First described the Safe way to try to achieve the same result. You've
got no reason to whine
As for the "wetting agent" bit, the compound I mentioned is not marketed
in gardening stores, and the phrase "wetting
agent" does not appear on the label or in any of the company literature.
It's been said that it changes the ionic bonds of
water. Does that ring a bell? Probably not.
As for your idignation over a possible "commercial" venture, get bent.
It is indeed unfortunate that people in Western
culture do not place a high value on things that they can get for free.
They trust and value things that are purchased. No
need to go into the psychology of it here, but if I can spread the word
and get paid for it, it needn't be any of your
concern. I'm giving away my experience, here but have little inclination
to give it All away.
If the commercial bit doesn't work out, I'll blab it here. In the meantime,
figure it out for yourself, buy my book, or wait a
while longer.
TOPIC - KQ
DATE - 11:04:10 6/20/99
FROM - 180
duh, hey man, i poured scalding water on my plants (figured i'd hit the
tops too, while i was at it), and now they're all
wilty and like blanched spinach an' chit! I hold YOU personally responsible,
LOL!
seriously though: afm used to water outdoor plants with warm water (~90
F) during the cold days at the end of the
season (this was back before he found some good early genetics, working
with mexican seed.). tried any trick you
could think of to get the plants warmed up as soon as there was sunshine,
because even with good sun, the plant
really can't do much until the soil temp gets above 65 F. when your daytime
temps only go into the 60's, the root mass
may never get above 60, leading to poor h2o/nutrient uptake, and basically
shutting the plants down...
i use fairly cool water during hot temps. root zones should stay in the
70-75 F range (according to charts in the old Ed
books, and common sense). cooler water also holds more dissolved oxygen,
better aerating roots...
peace
TOPIC - hay yu! HA!
DATE - 10:45:51 6/20/99
FROM - 180
hey perp :-)
TOPIC - That and this....
DATE - 10:38:23 6/20/99
FROM - KQ.
Whoever wants a simple soil wetting method try this: Very warm to hot water.
Depends on if your soil is cold or not.
Nothing brightens a cold root system than some warm nutrient! (in soil)
I've also noticed that warm/hot liquids will
thoroughly wet dry problem soils. Seems like after you get the moisture
in a time or two, it doesnt get so dry like it
was at first. Also, the roots metabolism really picks up. I can do this
because I know what I can get away with, but I
can here some newbie saying he's fried his roots cuz he was using boiling
water!
Hey Curious George, I bet i'm not the only one here getting a little weary
of your "I'll tell you later" and "can't tell you
now" type of posts. You could get valuable feedback on your ideas if you
post them, maybe a spin that you never
thought of and could really help you. That is what we are all here for,
helping each other. Some of your posts take up
close to a foot of my screen and give nothing more than hints that you
are going to try to make a commercial killing
(greed: pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered) off of some idea, or you are
trying to protect us from ourselves. Now don't be
like Al Gore!!!
There are people on this board that have forgotten more than some of us
have ever learned! Take advantage of their
experience!
TOPIC - Green Gardens
DATE - 09:50:33 6/20/99
FROM - High Dog
I have purchased halide bulbs from them in person, but not mail order.
Who/what is ENTF? I hope they are not taking
down license plate numbers. Any additional information would be appreciated.
Thanks
High Dog
TOPIC - Hmmm, Gee....could it be....
DATE - 07:43:42 6/20/99
FROM - Perp
....."ALL" brand liquid detergent???? ....I-duh-no!.....
TOPIC - curious george, clarification
DATE - 06:12:29 6/20/99
FROM - 54
no offense george, but your tease did me no good, as i already know plenty
about wetting agents, and as vic says
there are a slew of them on the market.
my interest was in hearing others' experience USING ORGANIC WETTING AGENTS
AVAILABLE CHEAPLY OR IN
THE HOME (not some product you might want to sell me in a couple of years,
#@%&!).
i've used soap, but i'm looking for something that will degrade faster,
or even be "nutritious" to the plants in foliar or
drench applications. the commercial sticker/spreader products such as fish
oil, yucca extract, etc, are too fancy/hard
to get for my purposes...i've used blackstrap molasses in both foliar and
drench apps, thinking it might help, but it
doesn't seem to make that much difference in the wetting qualities of the
h2o (it is however a great source of K, CA,
Fe, Mg). fish emulsions also don't seem to make that much difference in
wetting.
this has not caused me any problems, the plants are super healthy, but
i'm always looking for ways to accelerate
growth in both veg and flower.
GGreen, thanks for the coco-wet info, it sounds like a coconut oil-based
"soap" (non-ionic surfactants). perhaps my
best choice would be an "all-natural" liquid castile soap; there are a
few, but dr. bronner's comes to mind (read bottle
while stoned for madcap laughs)...
peace
TOPIC - wetting agent
DATE - 01:59:26 6/20/99
FROM - GGreen
I've been using "COCO-WET" all natural wetting agent from Spray-N-Grow,
Inc. It's a non-ionic surfactant & spray
adjuvant. Directions call for 1/2 teaspoon/gal (1 ml/liter)
I've found that it helps tremendously when used with liquid seaweed and fulvic acid during foliar feeding.
I've used dish soap up until recently but figure if I'm going to grow organically
it might as well be 100% (just don't count
the occasional few drops of Superthrive)
TOPIC - wetting agents
DATE - 23:04:14 6/19/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey curious, being an organic soil grower, I've never cared enough to grab
a label name, but am pretty sure I've seen
weeting agents in many of the local hydro stores. Up here wetting agents
are a dime a dozen. In fact, isn't a wetting
agent anything that reduces water tension to increase it's ability to spread
and stick? In fact I believe dish soap would
be a wetting agent?
TOPIC - green gardens rumour?
DATE - 22:04:40 6/19/99
FROM - t2
anybody still in touch with cha cal?sorry to paste this post in here but
i know people who have mail ordered from here.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kenneth Green writes to Anyone in Seattle on 6/20/99 at 0:46:04
Ever heard of Green Gardens in Bellevue? They sell lights, etc.
ENTF is busting customers out of there right and left.
We know first hand being our grow operation has been raided.
Would like to talk to others in the Seattle area.
TOPIC - pi
DATE - 20:12:12 6/19/99
FROM - jay
dude drop me an email ,we need to talk...
TOPIC - Eng 54 - Wetting agent
DATE - 19:50:10 6/19/99
FROM - Curious George
There is a readily available product that acts, more or less, like a wetting
agent. I have found it quite usefull in many
herb grow situations, but if not properly diluted or used in the wrong
way, it can kill plants dead. No symptons to
assuage, no way out, no way to stop it, just Dead.
The biggest benefits of a wetting agent in herb growing could be in hydro
systems where they could allow the use of
1/2 the usual dose of fertilizer. ( If you're using chemical rather than
organic fertilizers, I suspect that there is a better
chance of an OD. However, I have no idea what would happen if purely organic
solutions were used full strength. )
Since I've never grown hydro, this is all theoretical. Maybe it would be
great, maybe not.
The risks of misuse of this particular wetting agent-like product are All
on the plant, rather than on the grower. The stuff
is non-carcinogenic and non-mutagenic. I've been using it for over 20 years,
but have never seen in mentioned in a
gardening article or in High Times.
However, I'm not going to reveal the name of this particular product. At
least not now. You can try to figure it out from
the hints, but I have my reasons for not publicising it right now. I need
a little lead time to prepare for a possible
commercial venture. If thatdoesn't work out, I'll certainly post a long
monograph here about all my experiences with it. (
By the way, this stuff works well on on both plants and animals, including
humans. )
Sorry if this sounds like a tease. But I'd rather be cautious, and suggest
that you folks be cautious with all wetting
agents since they can and will kill plants.
This is not like fertilizer of Superthrive of other stuff that people use
at higher than recomended doses. This stuff can be
both very helpful, and very lethal to plants, and I don't want any of you
to screw up your garden on my account.
So, check out the other pot boards that have search capability and see
what they say about wetting agents. Then
check back here. I wouldn't be surprised if someone out there knows the
name of my mystery product, and it's OK with
me if they post it.
Almost a test. If nobody out there has the Faintest idea what I'm talking about, maybe the commercial venture will fly.
Have a fabulous weekend !
TOPIC - Pi and RainDrip and Accu-Drip
DATE - 18:59:52 6/19/99
FROM - Blazer
Pi I have Raindrip products all over the yard for flowerbeds and almost
My entire drip/nft hybrid grow op is Raindrip. I
highly recomend all thier products as long as You think "Prefilter!" w/
sponges and there inline screen filter if using any
nutes. Plain h2o works slick as hell in drip or spray via there devices
w/ minimal filtering thats provided. OH FUCK I
just realized it was ACCU-Drip products I started out with!LOL Both are
great and work well combined. Accu-Drip sells
the drip lines You want w/o any emittor on the end, just tube and stake.
Drippers vary from 1/2 gph on up. Pretty trick
IMO, it's what I preffer anyhoo;)
Look them up and I'll see if I can find a link for You.
Peace Friends, Blaze
TOPIC - greenbear-gws
DATE - 14:52:38 6/19/99
FROM - la.bud
hey GB , please email me thanks
TOPIC - ot1 and all
DATE - 14:24:26 6/19/99
FROM - pi
thanks for the info on auto watering. keep it up.
ot1.... yes it would be nice to see a small set up if not too much trouble and others were interested as well.
i have already gravitated past white shower curtain and pond liner and
will be using these blue polypropylene tarps that
are reinforced with nylon ((2) 10x15 for $15 at Sam's). gonna nail (4)
1x2 to the floor thru the carpet and throw the tarp
over to create a pan. no bulky homemade pans to deal with. would be nice
to have a slight slope to the pan for drainage
that way i could eliminate the plastic plant trays to catch runoff. that
would require a rigid raisable bottom though.
i also use shower curtains from wal-mart at $2.34 per for walls. i wanted
white opaque walls all the way around but i
wanted to be able to move and maintain them easily.also i did not want
the walls full length but i wanted a gap at the
floor and ceiling for air movement.
my solution was to take and mount hooks (not eyes) into the ceiling joists
so that i could hang a shower curtain rod
made of 1" dia pvc all the way around my grow and my soon to be pan. this
leaves a space at both the bottom and the
top of my wall. next i went to wall mart and bought enuf shower curtains
and those plastic hangers to completely
surround my grow (1+2+1+2=6). i also bought only one set of 6 black curtains
as i found that the curtain was not
opaque. wrong!!!!. needed a third set of black liners for a total of 18
liners or about $45. easy to clean, cheap, reflective,
easy/cheap to replace ($2.34) and i can move them easily out of the way.
will be using velcro to configure the walls a
little better and i may add another rod at the bottom of the curtains via
velcro to keep them from wafting in the breeze of
(2) 21" industrial cirulating fans ($ 40 @ Sams)and a 15000 btu wall a/c.
i now keep my room cool or around 75 F.
my setup is approx 5x9 using 10"pots and 12" plastic saucers so i could
conceivable fit at least 45 plants under 2 (1) k
lights. not enuf light for canupy at present so i will go to 28 total or
7 rows of 4 (3+1+3).
eventually i will be buying a light rail and also upgrading to (2) state
of the art reflector/bulbs/ballast. ideally i would like
to combine a light cirle and light rail movement somehow so i could have
a (1) 1k hps and (1) 1k mh both rotating and
moving linearly back and forth over my grow like a ceiling fan hung on
a rail and moved back and forth... the best of
both worlds.
betcha i could design one real easy by combining parts from the light rail and light circle bill on materials.
what ever happened to round and x-10 rulz! ha!
comments questions and suggestions are welcome. :8)-~~~~~~~
TOPIC - A tip FWIW
DATE - 12:27:39 6/19/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All, afoaf has a success story to share in reguards to clonining, hes
found a great way thats working all of the time.
He has a seperate veg area, about 6sqft, what he uses is 24oz "Solo Brand"
plastic drink cups,& 4" RW cubes, he
soaks the cubes overnight, takes cuttings and refridgrates them in tupperware
overnight also. Then next day cuts all
but the grow tip and the next two leaves off, the two leaves below the
growtip get there tips cut off (thanks Vic) to help
with resperation, then they have there stem cut at a angle, diped in water,
and then dipped in "RootTone powder"
then take the 4" cube jam it into the cup just about 1" into it, then with
a nail start 4 holes 1 in each corner, and stick
the
cuttings into them, he then places thease cups in the veg area, either
next to the 2 gal pots or in kitty litter trays, he
puts some water in the bottom of the cups to keep them from tipping over,
they get sprayed with plain water once a
day, and the cube is kept moist with a soultion of 1qt water 3 drops "BioBlend
fert Grow/veg" and ST, today he planted
4 Jack Flash clones that went into a cube on the 6/13 and today all 4 had
roots 1-3". No dome no flouro's,(he has a
400mh) real easy. I think part of the reason it works is the cube is suspended
with no water at the bottom just air, in in
conjuction with the refridg and the tip cutting, they all just work well
together. When they are ready just be carefull
pulling the RW apart, as to not snap roots. It also works great for taking
those late clones in the later weeks of flower,
basically re-veging with a cut full of flower's, in that case a Bat gauno
tea is applied to the cube every week, this seems
to help them re-vert to veg growth. I hope some one gets some use from
this, its especially usefull for doing clones with
little frequency, or as I said with late cutts, of that one you just dont
want to let get away.
Peace
OT1- Thank You;-) Sending email by monday.
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:01:39 6/19/99
FROM - oldtimer1
engine54 (hoo-hooooo) When we tested the system we tried just the tubes
there were two probs they kept getting
dislodged and after a week or so the water started making holes in the
compost. The little cage on the flood pins
doesn't do this as the water seeps out gently all round. Even so after
several weeks of use the compost surface still
crusts a bit. I still haven't set this up in a full grow yet as I've been
running a perpetual harvest for a bit. On the small
test rig the heading tank was fed from the Ro via an adjustable ball valve.
The tank fill could be adjusted to cut off
between 20 to 35 litres. There were 36 plants in 4 litre containers in
our temperatures the plants early on need .75 of a
litre every 2 -3 days and once making buds 1 litre. We always add 35% h2o2
at 3 to 4 ml per 10 litres, When we added
fish fert or something smelly it was added manually and stirred into the
full tank the valve opened and the tank allowed
to drain down. The inlet was opened for some more water a bit of h2o2 added
and the outlet opened to flush the pipes.
The system stayed as sweet as a nut over a 10 week grow. As a test we ran
the system for 2 weeks just watering by
removing the down flow valve and putting one of those battery operated
water valves they sell for watering gardens
automatically in its place, it was set to open for 15 mins every other
day. All the plants are in a tray lined with pond
liner and capillary matting, the whole system works just fine and all our
co-op members are adopting it I'm one of the
last.
Hope this helps Ot1.
TOPIC - oh, duh; raindrip link
DATE - 08:09:18 6/19/99
FROM - 54
forgot the obvious one:
www.raindrip.com
big catalog of drip prods, FAQ and help pages, kits, etc.
TOPIC - vic, evap cooling linkage
DATE - 08:04:48 6/19/99
FROM - eng54
vic, pursuant to some earlier discussion on evap cooling, and also pi's
Q about a watering system:
http://www.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tips/msg0300050312468.html
link is to a discussion on low-tech, low-pressure drip systems. several posters name sources for drip products.
http://www.plumbingmart.com/drip.html
an extensive catalog of low pressure drip parts, plus FAQ and links to
info pages. seems like a helpful intro site for
"drip-newbies"
http://www.azmist.com/lowpressure.html
link is to a commercial site, low pressure evap cooling systems for home
use. a poster at another site said he thought
they were a bit expensive...
http://www.can-online.org/memlink.htm
link page of manufacturers, suppliers, nurseries, etc.
i also ran across some product info for a surfactant, a wetting agent.
they had all kinds of positive claims for their
product (better root development, increased growth and production, etc.),
and it occurred to me that you might have
some experience with wetting agents, or be able to recommend some common
solutions (i think adding a few drops of
soap to your water is supposed to help, etc.). many hobby & commercial
growers use peat-based media, and these
are not always hydrophilic...i'd like to find a reliable organic wetting
agent, preferably household & cheap! any ideas?
peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:00:37 6/19/99
FROM - engine54 (hoo-hooooo)
shaggy, nice post :)
having the "best weed in town" can be both a blessing and a burden!
some friends of mine work with the holyweed and x's thereof, in- and outdoors
on the left coast. they are inclined to
rave about its incredible potency and harshly strong smoke. af got a baglet
of mixed x's (romberry, p.75, ww), when he
gets around to starting them i will post the results.
hmm, thanks ot1, yes the drip system would work with flood pins or open-ended
1/4" tubes instead of drip emitters.
then the smallest constriction would be at the tubing connectors, which
have an inside diameter of <1/8".
additional necessary equipt for adding organics (IMHO):
higher pressure pump, aerated/agitated reservoir (separate powerhead, or
"T" diversion after pump, dumping back into
reservoir), additional in-line filtration.
otherwise your res will turn into an anaerobic cesspool, waaaay stinky!
BSSF
TOPIC -
DATE - 00:20:02 6/19/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Vic sent 3 emeys could you let me know they landed ok? Its a beautiful
sunny day once again I'm off out to sample
the day.Ot1
TOPIC - occam
DATE - 23:51:15 6/18/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey bud, could you email me? Got a Q for you.
bcga@mailcity.com
TOPIC - nitric acid
DATE - 16:02:02 6/18/99
FROM - occam
To anyone who can help:
A friend generally uses phosphoric acid for decreasing pH; sent girlfriend
for some, she came back with nitric acid. It
takes about the same ml/L to get the same result as phosphoric acid. Should
he expect any major difference in growth
patterns or...? Perhaps lighten up on N a bit?
I would use WB's search engine, but I don't like the vibes in that place
right now.
Thanx.
TOPIC - sage x big sur holy (attn: peaceness & Soul)
DATE - 13:11:34 6/18/99
FROM - shaggy
Hey there buddy,
As far as I'm aware, I'm the only dude to grow this particular strain.
I bought my seeds direct from Adam at Hempworks
in Amsterdamn in the fall of '97. I'd been living in asia for about 4 years
and decided to pick up a couple seeds from
A'dam before returning to my hemisphere. I went planning on getting some
skunk #1 or nl (I was woefully uninformed
about the current state of breeding), but when I got there I was completely
confused. White widow? What the hell is
that? LOL. Anyway, I made it to Adam's shop and he highly recommended the
sage x big sur holy. Although not
available in any coffeehouses, Adam pulled a big old bong out from behind
the counter and packed up a little sage for
me. OK, now first a few caveats...while I had spent a lot of time in SE
Asia (Laos is heaven...) and India recently,
bonghits are not exactly a standard thing. (a sidenote, graffix-style bongs
did originate in southern Yunnan province,
Northern Vietnam. They set up little stands everywhere where men gather,
drink tea, and smoke TOBACCO out of
those puppies. Needless to say, I was pretty confused for a while--I didn't
think it was tobacco. Lol!). Also, while there
is some killer weed in India, it's not available everywhere. The best hash
comes from Malawi [I think] while the best
weeed is from down south, Kerala if I'm not mistaken. In other words, I
wasn't used to bonghits. Well, this one hit (plus
a tug to clean out the tube) sent me into outer space. I freaked. I couldn't
think and was completely out of control. All I
could do is say goodbye and promise to return tomorrow. Well, I did, and
I got those seeds.
Let's just say that my first grow was educational LOL. We'll chalk that
up to experience. My temps were high and my
two females (of 8) produced copious, but very fluffy nugs. They were often
greeted with contempt by the uninitiated.
However, the hazey-type was there,although not quite as strong as the A'dam
stuff. The problem was that it didn't
seem done even at 12 weeks. I cut it down and attributed the problem to
my high temps (110F).
Well...my 2nd indoor attempt worked like a charm with my c88, greatwhiteshark,
romberry, and blueberry. Nice dense
nugs, great organic smell, great yeilds for a 430 hps. However, the sage
produced the same, stringy, fluffy nugs as
before. And it still tooks WAY too long. I hacked it down at 13 weeks...Upon
further investigation, I came to the
conclusion that the "problem" boils down to sage's haze ancestry. First
of all, I don't know that 38w/ft2 is enough for a
haze variety. The buds grew in individual clusters instead of dense nugs(not
that it's a problem, but it's interesting). If
you look at a picture of sensiseeds'(?) Marley's collie, you'll see a similar
structure. The sage is markedly different than
any other strain I've ever seen. It's definitely a personaly stash type
of weed. The high is too much for some of my
friends. Ever smoke real thai or possibly Laoation bud? Looks can often
be deceiving. This batch's nugs cured to an
intense lemony smell--in fact very similar to my romberry despite their
obvious differences. In fact, now that Soul's
around maybe he can give us a lesson on Haze--it's bud structure, flower/leaf
ration (sage is 100/0 no leaves in the bud
at all, well ok, a couple, but very few). My friends and I can only smoke
it mixed with other, slower weeds, unless we're
mountain biking or otherwise fully physically challenged. Otherwise, it's
just too damn intense. Very haze-influenced.
Ok, now here's the weird part. Recently, t.h.seeds put its website up (change
sagarmartha's site to say ~hemp at the
end). When I bought it, it was called sage x big sur holy. However, today
it's called S.A.G.E. I never thought anything
of it until someone who is growing it posted some pictures at the 'Base.
The crazy thing is that his S.A.G.E looks
nothing like what I had. Instead of long, thin, sativa leaves, it has wider,
bluer, indica looking leaves. There's no doubt in
my mind that they're different strains. OR, quite possibly, Adam crossed
his sage x big sur holy with an indica. Damion
(who posts here sometimes) has met Adam and was quite taken with the S.A.G.E.
Adam told him that it was a haze x
heavy yeilding afghani. So what's going on? Only Adam knows the truth and
the Hempworks website has been "in the
mix" now for at least a year.
Ok, I've rambled on and on. Feel free to ask follow-ups. In my last grow,
I crossed my remaining male to my c88
seeds. I've got about 50 or so, but until I can devote myself to a real
breeding project, they'll have to sit in the freezer. In
the meantime, I'm giving all this indoor stuff a break. The last batch
I grew proved to cure to a strength hitherto unknown
in these parts. People are simply amazed when I pull out a jar and demand
to know where I got it...also, my friends
have been getting too high and want to know if I've got something weaker,
heheh. I love it, but I beginning to know what
they mean. After all those years of schwag, a 5-6 hour high with no residual
headache is a weird thing! Besides,
summer here is just too hot indoors to grow. Of course, I'll still be around
to answer questions, etc.
Hope this helped,
stay safe,
shaggy
ps: Soul, if you're interested in those c88 x (sage x big sur holy) seeds,
just let me know. You might be interested in
the genetics. Of course, I haven't grown any out, so they might all be
crap...or gold.
Link: All of my posts...check the later ones ...
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:02:35 6/18/99
FROM - oldtimer1
007 like the handle, flood pins are made for handling organic solutions
providing its not to lumpy.
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:57:15 6/18/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Budm In case you missed it below could you drop me a line please! As far
as males go they either reveg fast or just
wilt away. It is best to to make a dad under at least 18/6 and keep it
trimmed every few weeks I've kept them alive for
several years without recloning, it is also easer with tropical / equatorial
types than indicas.
pi the flood pins work easily with gravity, the bottom of the tank needs
to be about 3 ft or more above the top of the soil
level for 78 pots you need a 3/4" down feed pipe from the tank. You T from
that with 1/2" pipe between every other row
of pots, at every pair of pots you insert a small T with a spaghetti tube
going to each pot with a flood pin in. If you want
I'll set up a small run say 6 pots and send you a picture. The people here
that do all that stuff are Nutriculture off hand
don't know if they have an emey/Web P addy but they advertise inside the
back page of Gromag, let me know if you
want a pick!!
Soul this isn't business so i think its ok and interesting of the P75 x
P_Bro most were completely finished on day 46
on 12/12 but one smells and looks just the same except today is 71 days
and the dam thing keeps producing new
flushes of pistils the main cola while not tall is now over 5 inches in
diameter the plant is still healthy have you seen
this before or any idea why? With my vars I'd expect this haha but its
got more white hairs than than the sat JH's which
are the only other ones left in. As an after word at 46 days it looked
nearly done then in two days it produced so many
pistils that it went white and you couldn't see the small leaves or bud
it has done the same thing twice since I have
never seen anything like it in over 35 years of growing!
All the best Ot1
TOPIC - vic, pi
DATE - 11:58:19 6/18/99
FROM - 007
vic, thanks man: i respect your judgement and discretion. thanks for the
great chat :-)
pi, you can find the stuff you're looking for at home depot (pump, reservoir,
in the "water garden" section), walmart or
kmart (tubing, emitters; gardening). the variable flow pump is not an option
($$), but you can control the volume with a
valve of some sort. also, the manifold may be hard to find; af ended up
opting for a ring-shaped set-up of 1/2" hose (fed
by pump at reservoir). the ring is run around the grow, and shorter 1/4"
feeder hoses are run to emitters staked at each
plant.
if system is run on plain h2o (plus a dab of peroxide for algae, pythium,
etc), drip emitters can be used. this will provide
for even distribution of h2o among the plants. however, emitters can vary,
and also, residual pressure in the delivery line
can cause them to drip well after the pump is shut off, so it's a good
idea to check the set-up in operation for a couple
days before you need it....in my friend's opinion, this system wouldn't
work with any organic content; that stuff must be
delivered separately. make sure they eat hearty before you go away!
the components i've seen at walmart (and other places, kmart or hardware
stores that have a garden section) are made
by "raindrip". they are also sold by wormsway, at higher prices of course.
peace
TOPIC - Try This, Pi
DATE - 11:53:27 6/18/99
FROM - Bud Bundy
Stumbled across this site a few months back...sounds like it could be what
your looking for. It definitely falls under
your "cheap" criteria.
It says this product can handle up to 30 plants, and has a 3.5 gal reservoir.
Link: Plantsitter 30
TOPIC - ot1/all
DATE - 09:13:15 6/18/99
FROM - pi
could you explain a flood pin again or direct me via an link.
i am thinking that it is just a stake that attaches to the end of the black
tubing so that you can water your plants
without an emmitter?
i want to set up an auto watering system that is cheap,reliable and maiantenance
free as possible. i currently use 10"
pots which i beleive are about 2.5 gal in worm castings/verm/perl.
i see a need for...
- emmitter or 'flood pin' at the plant
- black tubing of equal length for each plant
- pump to tubing manifold
- variable flow pump
- reservoir
i currently use x-10 so can water however and whenever i want.
any suggestions or links would be appreciated.
tia.
TOPIC - revegging males
DATE - 08:21:35 6/18/99
FROM - Vic High
Budm, I've actually found it easier to reveg a male than a female. I sinmply
hack it back removing most of the main bud
shoots and then return it to veg lighting. I often wait for it to show
some new veg growth before repotting into fresh soil.
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:12:13 6/18/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
I picked up on the idea to replicate the one lone Panama Red that af has,
hes a male that shed some pollen, now hes
going to pollinate a female Neviles Haze and af is going to backcross with
pollen untill it replicates the PR, the one
thing that is impressive with this one male PR is in flower he only streached
8", so it looks like it may be maniagable
indoors. Vic or any one else, this male needs to be put back into veg,and
either cloned or re-generated for more pollen,
are there any special considerations for males going back into veg? as
af has never done this before with a male.
Thanks in advanced;-) and a great weekend to all.
Peace
TOPIC - god dammit
DATE - 06:38:52 6/18/99
FROM - funkdified
When I type the addy in myself, I get there no problem. I can't figure
out what I'm doing wrong. Well here it is.
greensmiths.com/humic.htm
TOPIC - You got it Vic
DATE - 22:30:53 6/17/99
FROM - flick
The height difference was to small to make that much of difference Vic
but it doesn't matter you gave the answer...
Suntwist with air cooled lights.
Unless of course he decides to stick with the solution he came up with
earlier today--use more CO2 with a bigger flow
valve.
I would go with the suntwist myself.
I thank you and AkA thanks you --he made me promise to sign off with his thing when he posted a couple of times..
Make em catch us all
TOPIC - Biostimulant Bacteria
DATE - 21:59:58 6/17/99
FROM - Curious George
Went prowling through a agri store recently and came up with a product
to try out on the veggies out back.
It's called "Bio Pack", and comes as a 1 lb jar of dark powder that's enough
to treat 100 gallons of water. The contents
label list three different kinds of bacteria: Nitrogen fixing bacteria,
Phosphorus Solubilizing bacteria, and something
called "beneficial bacteria"
However, the ingredients don't stop there ... and there's the rub ... even
though they are billed as "natural organic
ingredients", I'm curious about this "other stuff", and what it does.
Humate and Humic acids are 40% by weight, cold water kelp is 35%, Natural
sugars ( sucrose ) Vitamins ( B-complex,
K ), Amino acids and beneficial bacteria combined are 20%. Citric and citric
buffers are 5%, and Soluble Potash ( K2O
) derived from Humate & kelp is 12%.
The package states that "Bio-Pak is designed for use as a root drench treatment."
Some of the instructions mention
root growth stimulation and stress recovery. Could some of the stuff in
here be like Superthrive? The gist of what I've
researched online on Superthrive seemed to say that it was fine for root
growth but not helpful during fruiting or
flowering.
Anyone know anything about this stuff ? I'm going to try it on buckets
of peppers and tomatos, & I'll let you folks know
if there's any big difference.
TOPIC - First-Timer
DATE - 15:33:41 6/17/99
FROM - Eddie Walker
Hi,
I've decided to try out my green thumb and have the slightest idea where
to start from. Here's my situation. I will be
growing outside. I have no need for irrigation because the site will be
on a hill and there is a natural spring watering it.
My climate is Pacific NW Seattle area. My questions are as follows:
1) when should I plant?
2) do I need fertilizer?
3) can i get a manual from somewhere?
......I don't know where to even begin!!!!
Please Help!!!
Truly yours,
Eddie Walker
P.S. What is the yeild from one plant?
TOPIC -
DATE - 15:27:21 6/17/99
FROM - Vic High
Flick - did your setup and your friend's have similar distances to intake
and exhaust? I know those smaller fans crap
out quickly if they have to push the air very far. Another possibility
is that your fresh air sources are different temps.
That aside, the best advice I can offer is to bag the CO2 and just move
lots of air. If your bud lives in a city, he will get
lots of CO2 anyway. My gut feeling is that your bud will be no better off
loosing the benefit of the suncircle to gain the
benefit of CO2 with aircooled hoods. Now suntwist, that will let you have
your cake and eat it as well, haha. Just my 2
cents.
Nugget - I had a good feeling where you were coming, that's why I didn't
delete :) Just wanterd to direct the responces
to you a bit. Your comments are interesting. We have some New Zealand friends
that surf these waters that have the
complete opposite experiences down under. All they can find is sativas
and had some of us mail out indica seeds to
them. Go figure!
I hope others join in because I won't be able to do your question justice.
If you are well connected with the local
genetics and clones that have been around for several years, you may find
it hard to find seedstock that will perform
better than what you have. One reason is that those local special clones
have gone though years of selection and are
basically the best of the best (playing with your handle, hehe). For example,
I have a special california orange clone,
thanks to many here, that goes back a decade or two. There are a few quality
seed sources for cali-o that will give you
a quality representation of the strain but you could probably grow out
about a hundred of them and not find something
as nice as this special clone. Purchase seeds if you want a change of pace
or want to play around with some
breeding. Or to just learn what the different strains are really like.
As for interpreting the yield info quoted on the descriptions, just take
them as a general guideline. I use them to
compare between strains of the same brand but not between brands since
different breeders seem to use different
standards. The same seedstock could yield 1/2 ounce or a pound depending
on your growing skill and how, when, and
where you are growing it, if you know what I mean :)
As for incorporating sativa influences into your lineup, I have little
first hand experience, but Emery is fond of his
hawaiian sativa, Soul his C99, dutch their haze and haze crosses. Then
there is The Doc's wild sativas, and DJ Short's
finest. Going to Cannabis.com's Seedbanks page is the best place to get
detailed info on any of these or use
Weedbase's excellent search engine. There is more than a year of excellent
info there and easy to access.
TOPIC - Forgot to state the problem
DATE - 15:15:13 6/17/99
FROM - flick
Just re-read my post and noticed I didn't even state the problem... Just
in case someone didn't figure it out.
The problem is the vent fans draw the CO2 out too fast.
stay free
flick
PS Thanks for the info Trelaway--he is using hydro and the ballast for
the 1k is out of the cube...I'm pretty sure it's out
of the room as well. Same thing with the 4 x which isn't a plastic cube
but a closet.
I had another question too--that closet is a cedar closet. Anyone think
that could affect the plants?
TOPIC - heat in boxes
DATE - 14:39:48 6/17/99
FROM - trelaway
A friend uses a 4x4x4 foot box with a 1k sodium (ballast outside the box).
With 90 cfm exhaust he was able to get it
down to 90F at the top of the box but we had problems getting it even there.
Two signifigant changes allowed him to get it down to 90f. One was increasing
the air movement in/out of the room the
box was contained within.
The second is he swiched to hydro tables from potted dirt. His reasoning
is that the dirt volume was storing heat within
the box. Now he has the plants, some small rockwool blocks and a plastic
drain table. The nutrient is piped up from
under the box--standard flood/drain.
TOPIC - In and out
DATE - 14:03:41 6/17/99
FROM - Indy
Mr Soul, good to see ya pal. Your in and out mix. Which strains were in
that?
Pax
TOPIC - Thanks Vic
DATE - 13:00:31 6/17/99
FROM - MrSoul
Vic_~
I appreciate your allowing me to post here. I'm keeping an eye out for
anything interesting that I can add without going
too far. I will always try to remember I'm in YOUR house.
This is the place to see me on my "best behaviour" everyone!
{"8^)_~
TOPIC - Hey Capn and I need some help too.
DATE - 12:34:50 6/17/99
FROM - flick
Hey CapnÖDo a search over at the weedbase.. there are more than a few methods
to mail clones and one of them
allows you to use a regular envelope to send them unrooted without smell
worry's or big packages. That particular
method will be posted under Vic's name so you can just do an Author search.
Just thought I would help someone here out before I asked for a little
help for a freind. He is doing me a favor and I can't
solve his problem so I thought maybe some of you have a solution I can't
come up with.
Here is the situation..
The plants are housed in a plastic cube, a simple wood frame to covered
by 6ml plastic. He got this from me and I
used this for a couple of reasons..if you would like them ask and I will
answer but it's not important now. What is
important is that he can't control the heat like I was able to.
The one I used was 4.5' x 4.5' x 5.5'h. His is 5.5 x 5.5 x 6h. I was able
to keep the temp between 90 and 95 with some
100 degree days when it was warmer, just a few though. 2 65cfm fans were
used to vent and they were constantly on.
He is using a 1k and 400 watt light on a 2 arm suncircle. I used the same thing.
Even though the vent fans were on all the time I was still able to use
tanked CO2 enrichment. The tent would be filled to
the desired level then gas was injected every 10 minutes to maintain the
level. It worked great.
His problem is that to keep the temp at the desired level for CO2 useÖ90
to 95 he had to use bigger vent fans and is
currently using 1 500cfm duct fan. ( I used those quiet fans from radio
shack, I think they are for computers.)
My first suggestion was to buy a timer with dual outlets that would turn
the vent fan off when the CO2 was on and to
set the flow meter at the lowest setting possible. The problem is that
the heat climbs too fast and the problem isn't
solved.
My second suggestion was to air condition the room but he can't do it because
the garden would have to be taken
apart to get to the window enough to slip the AC in. This can't happen
because they are in flower and under a screen.
My third suggestion was to not use the suncircle I gave him and switch
to air cooled lights. He said it probably wouldn't
work because he has an air cooled that he made in a 4 x 4 space and still
has to use a 265cfm duct fan for venting and
is having the same problem with CO2 enrichment in that space as well. (a
thermostat on the vent fan would probably
work in that grow though)
I think it will work but he still would like to avoid it since it means
a trip to the grow store and a few bucks out the
pocket.
My fourth suggestion----was that he should post his questions--his suggestion
was that I go screw myself (different
word though;-) He won't post to the net anywhere so I'm doing it for him.
Any thoughts and ideas will be appreciated..even if you think it is dumb since it could trigger a good idea.
Thanks
Stay free
flick
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:42:13 6/17/99
FROM - Uncle Chooie
Peaceness, there's a big difference between the P.75 and the Cindy 99.
99's buds are heavier and there's much more
resin production. I posted about her performance outdoors at Weedbase,
if you want to know how she does outdoors.
Link below.
Link: C-99 Outdoors Thread
TOPIC - After some variety.
DATE - 09:00:31 6/17/99
FROM - Nugget
Sorry Vic. Perhaps I'll rephrase the main thrust of my question. My interest
is in introducing something markedly
different to what I've grown used to. I don't actually care where It's
from (so long as I get it). Mostly the gear I find
available is heavy Indica varieties (typically described as "skunky") where
potency means an almost knock out high. I
have laid my hands on some rather unusual (for me) gear which has the shortest
flowering time and highest ratio of
flower to leaf/stem I've seen. It tends to grow short and squat with broad
dark green leaves (purple closest to the buds)
and deep purple resin bracts. While the stone from this gear is still what
I'd term heavy it's a lot different and more
enjoyable than most I've encountered. The novelty of this gear has led
me to search for other unusual or distinct
varieties. The descriptions of some of the more sativa orientated strains
with "energetic" or "up" highs sounds excellent
and I would love to try and grow some. However I have trouble relating
the descriptions from the various seedbanks to
my own personal experience in terms of yield, quality/intensity of high,
growth cycles, suitability to my growth
methods.
How much of this weed would you smoke in an average sitting and with what
effect? Will the varieties offered provide
markedly different "highs" to those I've experienced? With say 600w in
a 1.5m squared area and in a maximum of
twelve weeks (veg. and bloom) how much will one plant produce (surely much
more than 100-150g) ? What strains or
type of strains would best suit my requirements? I would appreciate some
advice as I'm unsure enough about buying
this gear from the internet anyway [bloody new fangled whiz bang big brother
new world order type thingy that it is ;) ]
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:14:46 6/17/99
FROM - Vic High
Peaceness & Nugget - asking seedbank like questions is discouraged
here. Nugget, giving a details description of
what you have there and looking for ideas of what it would be similar to
is fine, but asking specific seedbank questions
isn't. Don't want to compete with cann.com :)
Mota - Federation and my romulan are somewhat different and have undergone
different selective pressures. Asking
Emery at Can.com may give you a better responce as well. Of those willing
to post, I think he is the most
knowledgeable on that one.
TOPIC - leaf curl
DATE - 06:12:41 6/17/99
FROM - diane
Thanx to all for their advice. I
believe my problem is too much fertilizer
for such young plants. I flushed them
and I'm hoping for a quick rebound.
In the future I'm going to try not to take
care of them so well - maybe they'll
be better off :)
TOPIC - Cinderella Story
DATE - 06:11:44 6/17/99
FROM - MrSoul
Peaceness_~
I'm being VERY careful not to "spam" here (respect to Vic):
1. P.75 is two generations below Cinderella 99
2. There is a major difference in the two generations.
3. The high of P.75 is quite mellow compared to C99.
There's not much more I can add, except that I don't know how she performs
outdoors...but she matures so rapidly
indoors I'd GUESS it will finish early outdoors.
TOPIC - mites
DATE - 01:35:21 6/17/99
FROM - trelaway
Thanx for the info on mites. I'll read thru it tomorrow. I also used shabang's
search at weedbase, my first time, to read
up on mites--it's great.
TOPIC - romulan 7 of 9
DATE - 00:43:42 6/17/99
FROM - mota20
vic. I have heard that once in a while one of the romulan females comes
out alot better then the rest? someone called
them 7 of 9 I have 6 females going into 4 weeks of 12/12 and one of them
is already forming a cola 16in. long and is so
sticky you almost have to force your finger off of it. Could this be a
7 of 9 ? Also how long should i let it go the full 8 to
9 weeks? thanks in advance for any advice. peace mota20
TOPIC - leaf curl/buying seeds
DATE - 23:24:00 6/16/99
FROM - Peaceness
diane, it sounds as if you are fertilizing and watering way too much.You
may want to purchase a moisture meter.
Moisture meters are very accurate. they work by inserting a probe into
the soil and giving you a reading of the moisture
level deep in the soil. You cant go wrong. besides, even though the top
few inches of the soil may be dry, lower in the
soil may be very moist. As far as the fish emulsion, you may want to switch
to high nitrogen seabird guano. this stuff is
MAGIC!!!! the drawback is that the tea smells like sewage!! I buy a brand
from down to earth.-Peaceness
p.s. all: i have decided to purchase some seeds for next fall as well as
indoor. any recommendations? been hearing A
LOT about cinderella 99. is it hype or is it the BOMB as everyone says.
i have grown out p.75 and various crosses of it.
i guess p.75 is 2 "cubes" away from C99. has anyone grown/smoked the 2,
and is there much difference between
them? Im not sure that i wold want to waste $150 on a strain that i may
already have. Also planning to buy some
low/no smelling outdoor strains, any suggestions. Also does anyone have
any experience with the Sage x Big Sur
Hollyweed that marc emery sells?
TOPIC - Seed purchases and my setup.
DATE - 23:22:48 6/16/99
FROM - Nugget
I'm a newbie as far as the whole internet seed thing is concerned but the
names, pictures, descriptions and reputations
of these varities has snared my interest .
I intend to buy a selection from Heaven's Stairway due to their range and
reputation. However I'm having trouble
comparing the strains offered to those with which I'm already familiar
(most of which don't have designer
trademarks/names). You see where I'm from (South Australia) the law regarding
MJ states that three plants is OK for
personal consumption [$130 fine no record, like a speeding fine :) ] and
so we grow 3 LARGE indoors (1 - 2 Lbs). Using
3 (sometime more) 600w hps (luca600 globes) 50L pots, coconut fibre/clay
balls, dutch master nutrient (2200 ppm)
(run to waste) and CO2 enrichment in a smallish chamber allows for about
1&1/2 pounds from each plant with a 2-3
week vegetative and 5-7 week bloom cycle. The strains I have look a lot
like the super skunk #1 and purple star X
varieties I have seen. The potency is extremely high although the super
skunk has an almost "anaesthetic for the mind"
high (I've seen a "twice- a- year weed smoker fall down green and unable
to move after 1 desert bong).
Would I get a significantly better quantity/quality from the seeds offered?
What I don't understand is how some varieties like big bud, which claims
high yield only report a 150gm crop while
others can claim up to 800gms and others rate per m2 or 1000w light? With
what sort of setup are the indoor plants
offered acheiving their 6 week bloom cycle. Also I would like anyones opinion
on the largest producing, quickest
blooming pure sativa available [in purple would be nice :) ]
and the strain (sativa, inidica or cross) with the most powerful energising
high (something rare over here).
Bong oN (The Nugget)
TOPIC -
DATE - 22:28:48 6/16/99
FROM - Vic High
trounce = safer's soap/pyrethrum mix
TOPIC - the trelaway trounce, leaf curl
DATE - 21:37:00 6/16/99
FROM - 180
trelaway, am i lost in the ozone, or is trounce pyrethrin? it's been awhile
since i read the label on that one (lazy
wanders in the hardware store), but i think it is, or permethrin, or another
similar.
with pyrethrin, the residual toxicity can vary, but it's generally fairly
safe in use. the downside is phytotoxicity; it's hard
on the plants, can do lots of damage. also not entirely effective against
mites (not an ovicide, so even with weekly
sprayings, if the ambient temp is high enough the little bastards can reproduce
as fast as you eradicate them, thusly
extending your spraying program to eternity ;-)). on the plus side, it
does kill larval and adult mites, and the way you
are using it (quick rinse) should help protect the plants from its toxic
effects.
other methods like soap, hort. oil, and neem oil are equally effective,
and available, but they all are "controls", rather
than "solutions". as pi says below, avid (abamectin) is a solution. it's
also fairly safe in use, degrades rapidly, has low
toxicity to most non-pests (some exceptions though, all the info is available
online). with judicious use and other
controls in place, i expect 2oz could last me something like TEN years!
ten years of NO MITES, yowee!
leaf curl, hehehe, the books say it's over-watering or over-fert, but weed
does this all the time and often for no apparent
reason. for this reason, treat it as one indicator of many, and look for
other symptoms or signs. once you get to know
your plants they will let you know if there's a problem :-)
TOPIC - trelaway / avid and neem oil
DATE - 17:10:17 6/16/99
FROM - pi
trelaway.... ya you did give me cause for concern and reminded me of the
mean and jelous people out there.
avid... can be gotten @ www.african-violets.com in small bottles for about
$20 for 2 oz of 1/2 stength i beleive.
correction full strength dosage is 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon not 12.
neem oil works to but it is hell on the plants. high concentrated neem
oil product (90%+) is called Rose Defense or
Fruit, Nut and Veg spray by Green Light @ Home Depot. i beleive they are
the same ingredients but you pay more for
the Rose name on the bottle so get the FNV spray. i tried other neem products
that did little to the plants and worked
OK but the concentration of neem oil was less than 10%.
TOPIC - mites and sq rt pi
DATE - 16:50:03 6/16/99
FROM - pi
re: mites.... i have had borg cities all over my grow room and tried many
methods of irradication... most of which
damage the plant, most are labor intensive and the ones i tried did not
completely kill them.
i used avid on my grow, carpet and all, and 2 months later NO MITES NO
MITES NO MITES NO MITES and no
damage to the plants. Avid is not cheap @ $280 per qt but it sure is effective
and a little goes a long way.
recommended dossage is 1/4-12 tspn NOT tablespoon per gallon. i had 2 fluid
oz i think, gave away .5 oz and still have
.75 oz left.
from my perspective Avid is the only way to go.
sq rt pi = 1.77245385091...--> oo
TOPIC - me being a know-it-all & pi and Trounce (mites)
DATE - 15:50:56 6/16/99
FROM - trelaway
oops, I didn't read down far enuf, just the top three before entering the
post below. I wouldn't use lime if yer trying to
lower the ph.
Pi - just read thru the last batch of posts. Sorry if you took my comment
on trolls personally. It was not directed at you,
not even slightly, but at the can com seedbank trolls who thrive on trashing
people.
Trounce - for those who are on a maintenance program to control mites,
how wet to the plants need to be and how long
should I leave it on before washing it off. At present, weekly, I move
all the veg plants into the bathtub, douse them with
trounce, let them sit an hour before washing them off with distilled water.
It's working on the mite issue but seems a
nasty thing to put the plant thru every week.
TOPIC - Leaf Curl
DATE - 15:45:56 6/16/99
FROM - Danbo
Diane, What are your temps going to? I've seen tyhe upper new growth curl
under because of high temps during the
dark cycle. If you're a couple weeks into flower, the
lower fan leaves will curl and yellow . This is natural.
Just remove them to let in more light.
TOPIC - .......
DATE - 15:35:23 6/16/99
FROM - trelaway
diane-you're likely over-watering and over ferting. I'd only water when
the pot gets light or the leaves droop and only fert
if the plant needs it, like the oldest leaves are starting to fade.
You could just scratch a tablespoon of lime into the top of the soil, using
a fork down about a centimetre (3/8"), when it
next dries. Then when you water it'll just wash thru; it's a pretty fine
powder.
TOPIC - re: Romberry report - Pi
DATE - 12:54:48 6/16/99
FROM - KGB
Hey Pi -
What's yer square root? ;-) Just kidding. Thanks for the
Romberry report. It was particularly helpful as I've just
received my beans from HS. Some look kinda immature, but
I'll take heart at what you said about their vigor. Keep us
updated please,
-
TOPIC - Xenon lights
DATE - 08:51:46 6/16/99
FROM - Rons
Xenon gas lighting has been around for a long time in the form of flash
units and strobe lighting. The Philips head lights
seem to be available only in Europe. No mention of them at the Philips
N. American site. The link below is for
conversion kits that you can get for the modest sum of $850 to $1,000 each!!!!
I can visualize a killer 5 lamp, 250 watt
scrog setup for about $4,500. Hmmmm. Maybe when electric costs get to $.50
per KWH.
I remember reading either Ed R. or Jorge C.'s book mentioning the possibility
of using strobe lighting. Anyone ever try
that?
Link: Xenon head lights
TOPIC - leaf curl
DATE - 08:45:20 6/16/99
FROM - diane
Vic - I'm using 5-2-2 (f.e.)@ 1tsp/gal...
every sixth day (they are watered every
third day to saturation, then excess is
removed)(plants started w/diluted f.e. for
first two waterings b/4 bringing it up)
What is a quick fix acidifyer to lower
ph until I can transplant into a mix w/lime?
TOPIC - Speaking of Leaf Curl....
DATE - 08:29:30 6/16/99
FROM - Bud Bundy
I haven't fertilized the rom surprises in over a month, and all of the
sudden, some of the girl's leaves are starting to curl
under, some more severely than others, some not at all... It seems the
more sativa dominant they are, the more curl.
The mostly indica varieties dont seem to be affected. A month ago, they
were placed in 50% Sunshine mix, 25 perl 25
verm, and I added two cups of 3-15-7 organic fertilizer with a 2 cups of
dolomite lime (sunshine has sphagnum moss)
per 36 gallons soil. They are watered twice a week, which seems to suit
them fine. Why would they all of the sudden
start to curl under if I havent applied any more fertilizer? Everything
i've read says that curling under is from over
fertilizing....I dont know the ph...could the ph being too low or high
cause this? Temps are between 70-83 degrees, they
are in 3x3.5 space under 430 HPS (5000 Lumens/sqft)
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:57:34 6/16/99
FROM - Vic High
Diane - your pH may be a bit high, might want to try a soil acidifier.
It's strange though because I've always found the
fish ferts to be acidic ( I use Alaska brand). I've always found curled
leaves to be a nutrient imbalance, not a N
deficiency. Fish ferts tend to be well balanced for veg growth so this
brings me back to the high pH.
What strength is your fish solution anyway? If using every second feeding,
you may want a fairly dilute solution (half
strength or less).
Once the pH condition is fixed, if the plants don't respond you may want
to flush your medium. Or do both at same
time?
TOPIC - yellow/upper leaf curl
DATE - 07:17:22 6/16/99
FROM - diane
Out of 8 - 3wk old plants grown in 6" pots
w/soil+verm.+perl...I have 2 that have some
upper leaf curl and each has a bottom leaf
turning very yellow. I've been watering w/
fish emulsion 5-1-1 every other time. My book
says not enough N (and possibly Mg?). Should
I do anything at this point or wait since I'm
about to transplant at the end of this week?
Also, my PH is @7.5...
TOPIC - arrgh! vic?
DATE - 06:31:07 6/16/99
FROM - 180
VIC, do you have dr.a's email addy? if so, could you post it for me, or
send it? TIA
peace
TOPIC - Xenon Lighting - found some basic information
DATE - 05:59:28 6/16/99
FROM - Curious George
I shouldn't have asked about Xenon before attempting to search the Web
on my own.
The Phillips lighing company has a large website that includes a "search" function, so I checked it out.
The FAQ item I found claimed that Xenon lighting produces 2X the light
of a halogen bulb, And uses 1/2 the power!
Evidently it is the "whitest" form of artificial light, and improves safety
because of the way in which the eye percieves it.
( Further digging might reveal how much heat they put out as compared to
halogen bulbs. A very important
consideration.)
The headlight item that I checked ( the site loads a copy of Adobe Acrobat
when you click on the results of a site
search ) indicated that it yielded 3,200 lumens, with a color temp. of
4,100 K.
Sounds pretty good so far.
Perhaps someone with greater electronic expertice should do a little more research and report back.
They don't appear to need a lot of power, since these were intended to
be used as auto headlights. There is probably
some little transformer or form of ballast that takes a standard auto 12
volts and steps it up. The bulb that came up in
the search pulled, as I recall, 43 watts.
Since these appeared to be just bare bulbs, as opposed to sealed-beam headlight
units, they could probably be easily
adapted to different reflectors. If it turns out that they are more readibly
availble in sealed-beam form at auto parts
chains, a seperate reflector might not be needed, and since they are so
narrowly focused, there would be very little
light spill off the targeted area when used indoors.
Link: Phillips Lighting home page
TOPIC - Thanks Oldtimer ... & a lighting query...
DATE - 21:24:33 6/15/99
FROM - Curious George
The liquid solution bit is one that I'd use late in the season. The routine
for the past several years has been to add
approx. 10-15% manure to my bucket mix every year & this usually matches
the number of buckets that have become
brittle and have to be replaced. The manure is old, broken down, with remnants
of straw, and has been under a roof in a
stockyard for many years.
Started out with topsoil and humus and other stuff years ago, but haven't
added much else but gypsum, limestone, and
manure using the "eyeball method". Stuff always seemed to grow well.
It's only recently that I've started to research on-line to see if the
garden could be improved.
Took my first ever ph reading
recently, and it came in at 6.5.
Just fine for the tomatos, but the peppers and salad stuff needed sweeter
soil so I tossed some crushed limestone on
them and washed it in with watering.
Some of it this organic bit is certainly applicable to growing herb, but
I'm not able to take that step right now.
Unfortunately.
Besides, almost all of the recipes I've read out here for "soil" herb growing
are quite different from my veggie stuff. Much
looser, full of "Pro-Mix" and requiring that virtually All the nutrition
be supplied from the outside.
I am making use of a couple of tricks I learned in the online
herb spaces. Started using a 5 gal. bucket of water with a pumpconstantly
bubbling with an aquarium stone so I can
get O2 and CO2 to the plants then I water them.
Just out of curiosity ( so to speak ) I've been reading about a new high-end
auto headlight called a "Xenon" bulb.
Supposed to be very bright and very white. Does anyone know how many lumens
they put out and what the color temp.
is? There could be a significant power savings if you could grow with lights
that draw all of 12 volts! How long they last
would be an important parameter to explore, but they probably are built
to take some bumps.
I figure that Any alternative to those huge MH & HPS lamps should be
explored, just on general principles. : )
TOPIC -
DATE - 06:37:20 6/15/99
FROM - Vic High
Pi - I musta confused ya, haha. I appreciated your post, it kinda put the
hype in it's perspective and gave some reality
to people's expectations. I would much rather just let it all hang out,
haha.
Anyway, to correct our confusion, you got beens from the first batch and
trelaway got beens from the second batch.
Without a doubt both batches are from the same romulan mom (I only have
one romulan "Joe referred to it as the
Original" haha). I assumed they both were from the same blueberry dad but
there have been some subtle differences in
the description of romberry between the two batches. I've been considering
the possibility that I got the blueberry males
mixed up on the second batch, I have several laying around. With blueberry
being so true breeding this normally
wouldn't be a problem but blueberry is known to carry the hermie gene in
it's back pocket so you need to select
parents that don't pass on this gene. Anyway, since we brought all this
into the open, I've been given feedback from
several growers and my fears have been put to rest. Webfish's experience
(0 herms) appears to be the norm, having a
herm pop up is common but not frequesnt. And getting multiple herms is
rare, treleway being only reported case.
TOPIC - foot-in-mouthitis
DATE - 04:43:55 6/15/99
FROM - pi
Vic, i do not go to but maybe 3 sites anymore and Cannkids is not one of
them, so i am blissfully ignorant of the latest
in spamming,trolling and flaming.
my post on the romberry was not intended to produce flames or insult you
in any way my friend. i was just trying to
give you feedback. SORRY.
all...vic and i chatted about the origination of the genes i got and we
are sure that they are from another romberry mom
that is not the current seed mom. i got them before he went public.
TOPIC -
DATE - 03:46:55 6/15/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Curious George sorry about about going back to your Q about organic teas
so late but I've been busy! I come from the
uk and have been growing my fruit, veggies and puff organically for 35
years or so. I've posted most of this before but it
is worth repeating. My concept of growing organically is that the soil
or growing compost is a living medium with
reserves of organic matter which is slowly break down to humus. This environment
supports the largest diversity of
micro organisms which in turn live by feeding off their favourite mineral
/ organic material, in turn dying in their billions
every minuet releasing the absorbed nutrients. This tends to be self balancing
ie if the plants in your soil aren't taking
say 50% of the released phosphorus, the bacteria / fungi will recycle the
free water soluble nutrients keeping them in
the system and reducing the breakdown from the raw ingredients. So I try
and make my growing compost and garden
soil rich minerals and base nutrient ingredients + plenty of organic matter
to supply the humus cycle and a some ready
to use nutrients. I try to avoid liquid feeding where possible but have
to resort to a little when growing puff indoors but
only if i see a deficiency.
Bone meal or bone flower wont release much P for liquid feeding something
like .01% you would be far better with a
high P bat guano which should have the soluble % of P on the analysis.
If you have an organic chocolate processor
your side of the pond the remains of the cocoa beans after extracting the
chocolate have 20% soluble K + some locked
in the grains, released by bacteria later if mixed in the soil. So with
dried blood [ I assume this is blood meal ] usually
12 to 15% N it is easy to make a fairly accurate NPK liquid feed. For solanums
and puff I would tend to add a little
magnesium sulphate. I wouldn't use Superthrive in a feed to something I
was going to eat or smoke as it has
1-Naphthyl acetic acid in it. We have quite a few organic standard liquid
feeds and fish fertilisers available here with
about every NPK balance you could want, they are about half to a quarter
the price of Earth Juice and IMHO better. I
use so little it is easer for me to buy than mix my own. In the past our
co-op has done 50 / 50% comparative tests with
EJ cat and later Superthrive to just water and the difference in both cases
was virtually nothing between 24 plants with
additive right through to 24 plants water only right through. We also did
the same thing with B-cuzz in this case the
additive side had a lighter yield and the plants didn't look as healthy.
Dried sewerage sludge, ask for a complete analysis including metal contamination
if clean it makes a good top
dressing for soil. For making compost stay with worm castings it is nearly
all humus, nutrient rich and has more
friendly microbes than EJ cat has ever seen. If you think worm castings
are expensive set up your own worm farm then
you control what goes in and comes out and costs nothing. These are just
my own opinions and hope they help a little!
Your reply to the troll made my day I think I'm going to archive it even though I didn't see the troll post haha.
Budm have you got pgp sorted yet? Could you drop me a line I cant keep
track of where you are coming from, no reply
from the last two.
All the best Ot1
TOPIC - hermies
DATE - 21:44:18 6/14/99
FROM - trelaway
Vic--I've thought about this a bit but didn't talk about it much cause
I didn't want to fan troll fire at can com.
I think the herms were my fault. the blues not going herm in the same grow
was the confusing aspect to this problem,
the inclination being it couldn't be the grow if the more sensitive plants
stayed mono-gender, however; I bought a new
light half way thru veg -- I went from a tired 400mh to a brand new 600hps.
You may recall me saying that the roms drooped badly for a week under the
new light and recovered slowly while the
blues came to life under it. For perspective I went from ~ 1750 lumens/sqft
to 4000. I think introducing the light slower
(from a greater height and then lowering it) would have acclimated the
roms. In short, I think I just shocked the shit out
of them.
So, that's my thought on the Rom going herm in trel's grow.
btw--I got them early dec/98. And...sure, you can smoke me up anytime,
ha.
TOPIC - Cuttingsin the mail
DATE - 19:26:27 6/14/99
FROM - Capn
Of topic but is there a good easy method of sending live cuttings in the
mail? Any help is appreciated. Please e-mail
me. Sorry for the off topic post but need some advice from you guys. This
seems like the most cannabis knowledgable
place on the net.
Peace
Capn
TOPIC - romberry
DATE - 18:08:06 6/14/99
FROM - webfish
Hermies what hermies I grew out 93 romberry, romberryF2, and romberry xbig
bud ,AK47, WW and .75 not one herm,
a few twisters, but no herms...Its a great plant and breeder with its skunky
berry flavor it is very dominant in its
crosses( all crosses were with romberry male)they all had traces of their
mothers but most were at least 60% romberry
flavor...
Vic they sell misters that you hook to a gardenhose they say they reduce
the temp by 15 to 20 degrees fery fine mist
about 25 dollars...Wallmart.
TOPIC - fogging
DATE - 15:34:15 6/14/99
FROM - loop
Vic-just found an article on fogging in the Sept/Oct 98 issue of Practical
Hydroponics and Greenhouse. A bit on the
light side it seems informative. They suggested pumps at 800 psi to get
5-10 micron droplets. Said it can drop
greenhouse temps 15 degreeís with very little change to RH. Maybe for a
small set up you could run an air compressor
to atomize or use a small pressure washer.
TOPIC - more
DATE - 14:38:52 6/14/99
FROM - pi
i also do not baby my plants. they will all experience a wilt at sometime
amd my room has been running hotter than
normal as i lost a wall a/c unit.
as of sat, i have a new 15000 btu a/c unit and will keep temp closer to 75
TOPIC - Vic
DATE - 14:32:47 6/14/99
FROM - pi
Vic, i q'd you more info.
one other thing i forgot 2 mention is that the hermie was not only large
but the internode spacing was similar to haze
and was 2-3 times as long as the internode from the shorter plants. not
sure if there will be amymore hermies but i will
try to keep you informed. are there other characteristics that would be
helpful in id'ing a herm phenotype????????
glad to help
TOPIC - stuff
DATE - 14:17:09 6/14/99
FROM - loop
Thunderheart- thanks for the info. Figured it should be ok but what I didnít
want to have is the aluminum break down
and poison my res. Stainless would be the way to go but $$$$. My first
thought was to use coiled copper tube but I
remember reading in HT (known for its accurate info ;-)) that you could
give your plants copper poisoning. The water
lines into my place are all copper, but maybe it different with an acidic
recycling solution. Anyone?
Chronic man- Sorry to hear about your water-cooled experience (worked fine
except the cooling part). I donít think it
would add that much to your water bill, mine just dribbles through although
my water source is quite cold. Iíll measure
the flow when I get a chance. Iíve changed the quick release water lines
to the Gardena (sp?) brand which are a higher
quality. I do move the lights so I clamped the hose to the top of my reflector
to reduce strain at the joint. So far so good
but its only been days. Hope to get the ladies under soon.
180- thanks for the kind words. After I wrote that I was hoping it didnít
come across as a ěwonder of meî thing. Just
trying to say thereís lots of ways of obtaining a goal. OT1 and Vic are
THE high yield champs. People should pick
methods that match their space, lights, goals and personalities.
The stadium thing really is a great set-up. It allows you to put fans on
the floor and blow up through the plants. Keeps
the co2 off the floor and really allows you to pack them in.
RE hermies: It just me or does it all ways seem that the very best looking
plant is the one most likely to go herm?
Maybe that why it stays in the gene pool when most of us breed for vigor.
Vic- I also got one full-blown herm out of my romberry beans for HS (7
females, 2 males one herm).
That said I also got one from the AK, one out of the romulan and 2 from
the rom/big. They were all brought up in a very
stressed environment. I grew the mothers; them hacked them to pieces, then
put them in with the males under 12/12 in
a high ozone environment so I figure I did pretty well.
TOPIC - Romberry Surprise Pics
DATE - 11:57:49 6/14/99
FROM - Bud Bundy
Some Rom Surprise pics have been posted over at the cann.com binaries.
TOPIC - pi
DATE - 10:39:46 6/14/99
FROM - Vic High
hey how did you let that Bi get past your guards? That sucks bud. When
growing something new I always watch for
those confused plants. Say, can you remember where, when and how you got
the seeds? Treleway - I know the how
and where, just not the when.
As a result of my meeting with Romulan Joe, I learned that one of my "romulan"'s
sisters gives off a few hermie
offspring while the sister herself is stable. We both agreed that blueberry
was susceptable to turning hermie when
stresses. The it seems that the deck was stacked against romberry in the
hermie department and that we have been
lucky with how clean they have been.
I've done two batches of romberry to date and did extensive growouts on
the first batch but not so much on the second
batch. On the first batch, out of over 200 plants, I had 1 full blown hermie
and six speudo hermies. These were
explained in detail in the past. Not bad results but definately room for
improvement. Having a hermie pop up here and
there is something I expected but trelaway's results has caused some concern.
I'm worried that my blueberry males
got screwed up and a different one was used on the second batch. That is
the only thing I can think of that could be
different between the two batches.
Pi - thanks for the feedback. I need the bad news as much as the good news to move forward.
Trelaway - In my books I still owe you bud.
TOPIC - curious
DATE - 09:23:08 6/14/99
FROM - Vic High
I'm sorry if you were offended by my deletions. I have no problem excercising
censorship here. I think most long time
visitors will say it has been fair and as unpolitical as possible. If you
look around the net you will find the best sites are
the one that have the most censorship. It's sad but a fact of life here.
There was a previous post by someone pointing
out that this was a public board. I would like to correct this. Sure it
is open to the public but it isn't own by the public. It
is paid for and maintained by me. If it makes it easier to understand,
think of this as my home. It's not too much to
understand someone asking another to leave their house if their comments/actions
are unwelcome.
Your followup post is off topic but excellent. I will leave it up but if
it attracts much more attention, I will just delete the
lot.
TOPIC - Vic, why edit out that post?
DATE - 08:37:27 6/14/99
FROM - Curious George
I suppose leaving that claimed DEA thing up might be bad for business,
but it removes all context from what I posted
in response. ( If that one stays up.)
The whole thing is so weird ... doesn't surprise me so much as dismay me.
Has this kind of crap been going on regularly? Having just found this part
of the Web recently, I'm clueless about prior
history of these sites.
The best policy is probably the old saw : " Believe nothing that you read
or hear, and half of what you see."
TOPIC - Dear "Ted " -
DATE - 07:59:19 6/14/99
FROM - Curious George
In the first place, if you actually are an on-duty officer of some sort
or another, any unannounced visit to our home will
find a wonderful organic garden full of veggies but no cannabis at all.
Sorry. You can forget about "adopting the seizure"
or other draconian measures.
Secondly, I understand that you probably are under a lot of stress, and
that like all members of your profession you're
running a higher risk of divorce, depression, and suicide. It can't be
an easy job enforcing these tight-ass puritan laws,
and having to work with slimy snitches every day must make coming to work
even more of a chore.
Like any other worker, you try to get by with the easiest, most risk free,
level of performance that will still keep the
boss off your ass. We both know that compared to other aspects of your
work, busting and/or harrassing home
growers is as easy as it ever gets. ( When was the last time you asked
the boss for a Heroin assignment?)
Postings messages like you did probably relieves some of the stress, and
gives you an outlet for your frustrations.
Fine, go for it. But please drop the implicit or implied threats.
If you'd like to begin a dialogue on the subject, you're probably welcome to post here. ( But it's not my call.)
We both know by now that it's absolutely impossible to stop or even put
a crimp in the pot trade, ( or any other drug for
that matter ), and that even your very best efforts are doomed to failure.
That can't be good for your self-esteem.
You're bosses have chosen to reject science in favor of a policy of pure
superstition that results in a vast waste of
limited resources on what is essentially a non-problem. You are wasting
the public money on a Quixotic crusade that
flies in the face of science in a manner that's strangely reminiscent of
the Inquisition
Aren't you embarassed by the overwhelming weight of scientific evidence
that makes shreds of the "official" party line
on cannabis?
Although the gene pool could use a little chlorine from time to time, allowing
free access to medication and intoxicants
probably isn't the way to go. There is no doubt that there is some good,
neccessary, work that needs to be done by the
DEA. However, this ignorant crusade against cannibis is certainly not one
of them.
The Declaration of Independence is our guide. We have been endowed by the
Creator with the right to Life, Liberty,
AND the pursuit of happiness.
Do you believe otherwise?
TOPIC - vic, swimmer, george, loop
DATE - 07:25:01 6/14/99
FROM - 180
vic, looks like the assholes arrive, see (and delete) post by "DEA" below.
may all trolls twist in the wind!
swimmer, your basic, newbie information can be found at www.weedbase.com.
it's a great source for "beginner" Q & A,
and they have a FAQ (frequently asked questions) that will probably cover
all your Q's.
curious george, i agree with that comment about spookbusters being "jibby".
the character assassination and circular
logic of that guy's rants have very little basis in reality.
of course, he will probably now post something to the effect that "180
is greenman, the DEA-spam loser," or something
like that, hehehe.
actually it's sad, because there are probably psychotropic medications
that could help this person past their
unreasoning paranoia....
loop, congrats on the excellent yield. it seems that the highest yielding
gardens (sqft, watt) are those that are "shaped"
like yours, using closely packed plants in (relatively) smaller containers;
in other words, "enhanced" SOG setups.
from his posts i gather that Oldtimer1 uses a similar system. i once joked
that his setup allows NO lumens to escape
the garden (so it would be DARK in the grow until you parted the wall of
plants around the lamps ;-)). it makes sense
that you would get kickass yield from this sort of arrangement, as it catches
most of the light before it can reach the
walls and reflect back (at lower intensity). unfortunately, given the size
and shape of my grow, and the size of plants i
like to grow, this won't work for me. i used to be closer to SOG, but it
wasn't yielding the size and density of cola that i
want (small plants in small containers yield [comparatively] small colas).
but, that said, congrats again on the yield,
you are obviously no slouch :-)
laughing at the dea...
TOPIC - romberry report
DATE - 04:56:59 6/14/99
FROM - pi
started 12 seeds
-most vigoruos seeds i have EVER germed .... hours not days
-they look like immature seeds i would not pick. you were right Vic...
surprised the hell out of me.
-5 males, 6 females and one big bad hermie that seeded some of my garden
at 2 weeks under 1212.(((((
the herm seemed to be of a diff phenotype than the other females(i hope).
it was the biggest and prettiest plant and
had both male and female parts in abundance. i have another rom that looks
to be the same phenotype and bears
watching.
TOPIC - water-cooled lights...
DATE - 00:56:26 6/14/99
FROM - chronic man
My experience with them wasn't a good one. I had problems cooling them.
I think if I could've used city water, it would
have worked well, but the cost of water here in Seattle is a little high.
If I was paying the bill, it might have been okay,
but my landlord pays it. Other than the cooling problem, I think they are
great. One thing though,
I'm thinking that they might not be all that great on a sun
circle. Whenever the water connection at the light was moved, water tended
to leak. I would think that if the lights were
constantly moved, they would leak. (But I may
be wrong). Vic, I'm waiting for my Romberry, and am eager to check it out.
One thing, is Romberry a smelly strain?
Thats one thing that hasn't been a problem yet. I also ordered some shiskaberry,
and after reading about the hermies
related to this strain, I'm hopin that wont be a problem with this strain.
One thing I've noticed, it could be that
alot of the hermie related problems that people have had could have been
due to early flowering. Anyways, cool
board...see ya
TOPIC - Thanks for the feedback ...
DATE - 22:05:58 6/13/99
FROM - Curious George
Thanks ... whatever your nick is ... ( one figure, and it's too small for
me to read ) ...
At any rate, I'll consider those dry ingredients in those proportions.
The manure tea idea might work in a fairly small
bucket like that. I Know it will have a GodAwful Stink if precautions are
not taken. Using one of the bio-active bacteria
products on the manure prior to the soak might make it manageable.
There's another little trick I'll be trying out in this regard soon, and
will report the results in a while . ( Stench Reduction
has to be a priority if you use manure in a back yard container garden.
)
By the way, if you don't have access to a farm or stockyard, and you're
buying bags of "steer manure" at a garden
shop, might as well save yourself a hassle and get the composted variety.
The stuff marked "steam dried" isn't broken
down at all and will both stink And burn plants.
If you can get to a stockyard or friendly neighborhood barn, go for the
sheep or goat stuff if you can find it, and cow if
you can't, but for the love of all that is Holy, Don't get pig stuff! Even
if it's old, completely dry, and broken down, as
Soon as it gets wet in your garden it will stink.
TOPIC - Loop, Vic, 180 et al
DATE - 16:28:15 6/13/99
FROM - Low yielder
What a great bunch of posts that have me started thinking in a number of
new directions. In September will experiment
with scrog at 40 watts/ft, a stadium grow under~33 watts/ft and a bush
grow at 40 watts/ft. Will veg for 3-4 weeks and
flower 8 with a variety of my own accidental creation ( mother is sativa
x indica no namer from a Vancouver island
friend, father is a HempBC '96 mighty mite). Romberry and C99 are in the
process of being obtained as I have to know
whether the hype is true or not).
As the navajo say, walk in beauty
TOPIC - Loop
DATE - 15:55:19 6/13/99
FROM - Thunderheart
Loop,
I work with anodized aluminum and i don't think it would break down in
your res. We soak our parts in both regular h2o
as well as DI water. No problems to speak of. The only issue is that this
would be in the water permanently, but even
then i think your chances are good. Hope this helps.
TH
TOPIC - organic
DATE - 13:27:32 6/13/99
FROM - t2
curious george the newer powdered fish on the market is a very economical
source of n and quite soluble. the brand i've
been using is mermaid's fish powder. another company called foliagro makes
a formulation for a foliar as well as one to
mix in your soil. also kelp meal mixed in your soil will provide k. i make
a powdered fertilizer mix of 2 parts blood,3
parts bone,1 part kelp meal,and i part lime. i add a couple cups to each
wheel barrow of soil mix which is basically
equal parts peat,perlite,and compost.
a really cheap tea that works can be made with a pillowcase, a shovelful
of aged compost/manure and a 5 gallon
bucket of water. soak the pillowcase like a tea bag in the sun for a couple
days then use enuff of this per gallon of fresh
water to give it an amber color
TOPIC - water cooled info
DATE - 11:51:05 6/13/99
FROM - loop
KGB- the lights are the argi-cool pro series (the plastic jacket ones).
Still not sure if I made the right decision not
getting the classic (machined aluminum end pieces with glass jacket), only
time will tell. The pro series were cheaper
($320 can each for everything except bulb, ballast and hood). I believe
you can buy it with the hood and standard HPS
for about $440. I presently have it set up in run to waste. Water supply
in goes through a solenoid (connected to the
light cycle) then a dropping regulator (25 psi) then through a 5-micron
water filter. The flow of water through is like a
slow drunken piss stream (almost dribbles). I get an added bonus by running
part of the cold water supply through a
small rad that I put in my res. By adjusting the bypass I can control the
res. temp. Seems to work well so far but it
only been a couple of days. Side note, does anyone know if anodized aluminum
will break down in the res.?
Old bud: I donít have a five light sun twist, thatís only a pipe dream,
but I suspect it would be perfect for about a 13í
round-ish grow. Iím in complete agreement with vic on multiple light being
better than the sum of there parts as well as
mixed spectrum and moving them greatly increasing there effectiveness.
I made my own reflectors because of the kind of odd set up I have (stadium).
The reflectors look upside down like a v
instead of a ^. I also mount a 400 MH and a 4í uv bulb on same reflector
with a glass barrier to protect the plastic
jackets from the uv.
Regarding yields- 2 pounds per lamp of high quality bud is very do-able
IMHO. I disagree with the need for large pots
and long veg times to do it (but you do have to pay the price of having
more plants). My past favorite method was 5 litre
pails (about 9î round) filled with coco coir, perlite and an organic mix
with two plants per pail. I once had a 5í1/2 x 5í x
51/2î grow box with 36 pails feed with 1/8î line with no drip emitters.
The plants were set up in a V type arrangement
(stadium) with the steps only being about 6î.
1400 watts (1000 air-cooled) on a mover (only moved about 16î). From just
rooted clones Iíd veg about 7-10 days. With
shisk I flower 42 days with co2. Yield = just under 3lbs of primo bud.
So even I you count 160 watts used for clones,
that still over 2lb per 1000 per 52 days. Never did prefect that method
but I believe itís possible to get at least 20%
more. I really donít care less if anyone believes this or not but this
is a good method so take it for what its worth.
Jay- never had a bulb die on me but I believe the silver stuff is mercury
used to fire the lamp. Its there in the brand new
bulbs, maybe you just didnít notice it?
grow safe
TOPIC - Liquid-Organic Recipe? Any Suggestions?
DATE - 11:09:13 6/13/99
FROM - Curious George
If anyone has suggestions on how to avoid paying absurdly high prices for
liquid organic solutions for use in soil or
hydro growing, let's hear about it.
( At this point, buckets of tomatos, peppers, & salad greens, are the
intended use, but such a combination should
apply to every organic garden.)
The organic "teas" I've attempted to use in the past all seem to have one
major problem : significant percentages of the
stuff won't break down when water is added. It just won't disolve, and
there's no telling how much is getting to the
plants with subsequent waterings if you just dump this residue on top.
If you save and soak the remaining granuals and
use them again, there's no way to tell how much is left, and whether or
not it's balanced.
So, the trick seems to be making as much of the available "goodies" go
into solution as possible. I think that problem
has been licked ( and will reveal the process in a future post if it works
out ). But what I need right now is a good
recipe. Blood meal, worm castings, or fish emulsion for Nitrogen ? Bone
meal for Phospherous ? What should be used
for for Potash? Liquid Seaweed could probably supply the
micro-nutrients, or would soaking kelp meal be any better? Perhaps a small
dash of Superthrive? What's your
suggestion?
If regular fish emulsion isn't the answer, I'd like to try a cheaper alternative
to worm castings for Nitrogen and hope that
"Milorganite" will be the answer. There used to be warnings on the label
about possible heavy metal content, but
evidently there is no problem on that score now.
For those of you who are unfamiliar with "Milorganite", it is a dry, granual,
activated sewer sludge product, packaged
and sold by the City of Milwaukee Sewer District. It's available nationwide
in 50 lb bags at a price that's a tiny fraction
of bat guano or worm castings.
There was a rave review in the July issue of High Times for a product called
"Earth Juice Catalyst". Are there any other
products that supply microbes? Any way to make your own ? Has anyone had
experience with this product?
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:57:52 6/13/99
FROM - jay
hello everybody,you to danbo,haha hows the camo man doin..?
has anybody had an uv ozone tube burn out on them..?i had one go yesterday,only
6 months old..one end is all
chromy,soldery colored on the inside of the tube...very weird...
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:08:57 6/13/99
FROM - Vic High
OT - you are welcome to some space here. Good to see you again, was getting
concerned that all was alright.
TOPIC - yields
DATE - 08:05:36 6/13/99
FROM - Vic High
One of the big differences in numbers floating around is the number of
lights used and the way the lights are used.
Marc and others are coming from the perspective of growing under a single
stationary light. That works but it is far from
production.
AFOAF was using a perpetual system so in a sense he was getting a crop
every 8-10 weeks. What he's never factored
into his calculations is the 2000w he was using in the veg room. One of
the reasons is that the size of the flower room
was always fluctuating between 5-8 lights roughly. Veg room was always
2000 (often used wastefully) So say he
reported 3.6 lbs per light and had 8 lights going in flower room. Then
if you factor in the veg room watts, he was only
getting 3.6 x 8/10 = 2.88 pounds per light. Similarly 4 pounds could be
calculated to be 3.2. But was only taking 8-10
weeks to do it.
If you want production, then using your flower room to veg is a waste of
resources, IMO. One compromise is to do the
initial slower vegging in small pots (I like these little green 6" pots
that hold about 2 cups soil) and grow them to about
8-12" in the clone box/bench. This can easily be done under flos and vastly
improve efficiency of the HIDs, cutting veg
time under them to about 2-4 weeks depending on how big you want to get.
180 brought up another good point about bud quality. Yes the higher number
take into account all bud top to bottom
worth taking the time to manicure (weight wise). Simply buds are manicured
and then hung for a week until bone dry.
They are then bagged with a few fresh leaves thown in to soften the buds
enough so they don't turn to shake. Once
softened, leaves are removed and bud thoroughly mixed. Then the buds are
packed together. This causes the small
loose fluffy bottom buds to stick to the upper quality nugs. Sure this
isn't the best product my friend could produce but
it still fetches a dollar higher than than average. It's not the best out
there but in production, only a fool would want to
be moving the best. Lots of foolish pride in this industry and if a guy
can get the best, he often brags about it.
When talking yields you are dealing with two very diverse groups. Your
are therefore going to get very diverse answers.
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:43:49 6/13/99
FROM - oldtimer1
180 I don't know what I can say about yields per 1k of lighting you know
what I have said about that in the past! I stand
by it! Most of my strains are sat heavy and may not produce what you would
call primo bud, generally they are softer
in makeup than even p88, barring HD and HL which are dense and hard in
structure. Anyhow I think you will have to
see them in the flesh to believe hehe.
For those of you that had access to my pictures pages, tripod have chucked
me out for posting pick's of cannabis
sativa! I did a quick search for cannabis sites at tripod and came up with
2888 sites in the community with cannabis in
the url every thing from grow sites, med sites, picture sites to if you
smoke it you will go mad! Why they had to pick on
my unlisted page apart from the fact they were good picks I haven't a clue.
So I'm looking for a new space hopefully
one that is a little more secure.
All the best Ot1.
TOPIC - Light, Yield,...
DATE - 06:14:09 6/13/99
FROM - Danbo
I concur with 180. Higher yields come with higher veg
times. That's why my plants produce so much OD's. From
Feb to Aug is 6 months. Add to that 10 weeks of flower time
and you have the big yielders. That's if you make it till the fat lady
sings. Work out a formula that you can live with. We
all have our tricks.D
TOPIC - low yielder
DATE - 05:42:47 6/13/99
FROM - 180
this opinion may be met with some protestations, but i think marc emery
was right about a "good grower" being able to
pull a pound from a 1k (given enough veg time, the right strain, large
enough containers for good rootball, proper air circ
and temps, and proper nutrition), but i think the "2lbs for pros" is a
bit off the mark. for one thing, you'd probably have to
do high-ppm hydro or have a LONG veg time to get the plants big enough:
for another, i doubt that would be 2lbs of
really primo bud; maybe "commercial" quality, but that's a different story.
it also depends on space, and how much
light your strain needs. perhaps in a good-sized space (6'x7' or equiv)
with a low-light strain and a light-mover you could
get 2lbs...perhaps. i've been doing this for awhile and i just don't believe
the claims some people make.
peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 05:37:47 6/13/99
FROM - Danbo
Peaceness , I hope to see you next year as well. Maybe
we can get Vic to this one. The Trip and Holyweed are the same puppy. I
crossed it with Ruderallis to shorten it
some and give it mold resistance. It's now a medium bush with huge colas.
I've had a 4 footer go over 2 lbs. It's still
susceptable to mold though and doesn't finish till week 2 of Oct. All the
auto-flower has been bred out of it.
Vic , The romberry and blueberry are not sure how to handle the Cal sun.
The leaves are pointing straight up .
Surrendering to the lumens? Don't fry me Sherriff! I don't
think they are used to the fert regimine I put the my OD's to. I'm doing
some selective breeding with your Blueberry.
I'm crossing it with Black Domina, hence Danbo's Blackberry
Jam. I'm also making an F-2 of the AK-47 x Kong Ae raved about and mothered.
I'm calling that one "Wilde Mountain
Honey", and it lives up to it's name. It flat outgrows
everything indoors. We'll see how she does OD this season.D
TOPIC -
DATE - 18:33:52 6/12/99
FROM - Low yielder
Pi, thanks for your info. Being the type of hobby it is, getting decent
info on which to compare your own results is very
difficult. Found a thread on cannibis.com where Marc emery states 1 lb
per 1kw light is something a good grower
should expect with 2 lbs for the pros. Doesn't really say much about the
variables, veg time flowering time etc. I am
very much into the maximizing yield per plant on a 3 - 4 1/2 month cycle
as I don't want to grow more than 9 months a
year. The sog, scrog and maxiscrog all sound woth exploring. Vic, How many
Romberry crops do you get out of the 20
watt/ft set up you show? Clones and no CO2? What is your take on Marc's
views on yield? 'nuf for now.
TOPIC - low yielder
DATE - 15:30:00 6/12/99
FROM - pi
6 gal pots is overkill IMHO. i currently have a grow veg'd approx 2 months
with the plants being 2-3 feet tall before
flower. they are now @ 2/4 weeks of budding and are 40"-58" tall in 3 gal
pots. i may downsize to 2 gal(8") or even 1
gal(6")pots next time around. not sure what my yield per sqft is but i
am conservatively expecting at least 2z per plant
or over 5lbs in a 5x9 area.
i use worm castings verm and perlite with 2 1k lights and until yestersday
i had hi heat (85-90). a 15000 btu wall a/c
was installed today. i do not run co2 yet and use nothing fancy. i probably
have 7-8 diff strains in 1212 inluding
romberry.
TOPIC - oil update
DATE - 15:11:25 6/12/99
FROM - pi
re:oil... you can get oil from males and trimmed females in veg. yahoooo
nice taste and very nice intense buzz from this oil. was a little more
green in color than the first and not quite as good
but still well worth the effort. i would think that males will provide
oil for selective breeding purposes and what you do
not smoke can be used as contact cement.)
TOPIC - Low Yielder
DATE - 15:06:35 6/12/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
Low Yielder- Afoaf's first grow was Romberry from seed, three ladies veged
in BCGA's "super soil", in 2 gal pots for 50
days under 400mh, flowered for 50-55 days under 400hps, no Co2 used, there
was a some suplemental organic ferts
used, they were "Bio-Blend 2 part" and "SuperThrive" was used in veg waterings,
allthough they were not nessesary,
you know how begiginers can be, now the understanding about "Organics"
is understood. The three girls yielded a little
over 6ozs. Very impressive for, "first time out the gate".Most notable
impression was the top colas were 12"-14" long
3"-4" wide, and weighed 20-22 grams each dried, with only a 400watt lamp
and no Co2, this newbie thought that was
impressive, and results like that would need more penetration like a 1000watt,
but with most strains that is true, but
one of Roms traits is its abblity to really pull out great results with
low lighting, some folks use 35 watts per sqft with
execellent results. Allthough its great to have a strain do that great
from the start, it really lets you know what is
possiable, hence a lot of strains just cant impress after that. Give Rom
a try Im not to knowledgble of grams to sqft, but
after a few Dutch strains and some other Canadaian genetics, I can say
that Rom is hard to beat, especially when
yield, and top quality are important. Really spoils ya for a fist crop,
but really lets ya discard others quickly. HTH
Peace
PS One of the RSB suprises has BlueBerry for a dad, with out a doubt,short
nodes, discolored smallish leaves, and is
the bitchiest one of the lot, the rest are looking like they had either
the Per Sat or Durban as dads.Ill post a complete
suprise,& Peak19/F2 report next week.
TOPIC - Danbo Guerilla Gardener
DATE - 12:30:49 6/12/99
FROM - Peaceness
Hi Danbo! I had the pleasure of meeting you and smoking out with you last
fall at Nc's. I remember you had told me
about a strain called ruderalis trip and hollyweed that you grew outdoors.
I was wondering what the characteristics of
these plants were outdoors, and what else you are growing out this season.
I was also wondering if you are sill growing
out kong, and if you have since made crosses with it. I myself have decided
to grow outdoors this year and have read
ALL your posts at the weedbase archive.(where have you been?) Any advice/pointers
on outdoor grows would be
appreciated. my plants have been in the ground almost a month now and they
are getting bigger, i dont know what to
expect at the end of the season as far as yield goes. all strains are ones
that greenbear gave me along with a few of
nc's strains. same strains have been grown indoors and are POTENT. other
than that,I really enjoy outdoor so far,
LOTS OF HARD WORK!! Also, what do you think about spring harvests? (plant
in feb, harvest in may?)am at the 34
parallel. Thanks for all the info, hope to see you this year with samples
of my own. :)-Peaceness
p.s. (greenbear, a-1, whats the deal with you guys? long time no hear,
e-mail me and keep in touch. thanks guys!!)
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:18:09 6/12/99
FROM - Vic High
Danbo - good to see ya and thanks.
Anon - yeah sure genetics can play part of the role but many other things
come into play. most of your question is
answered at cannabis.com's advanced page. Feel free to comment or pose
new questions from it if you want more info
from me. I don't want to repeat myself :)
Budm, ICQ me if you can, thanks
TOPIC - Yield
DATE - 11:32:47 6/12/99
FROM - Low yielder
Need advice on increasing yield. Have plants growing from clones in 6 gallon
containers, soil, under 2000 watts mh and
hps (30 watts/ft). Grown 1 month under 18/6 (~15-18") and flowered for
9 weeks. Last 2 harvests came in at 31 oz and
25oz or ~.5 and .35 oz/ft respectively. Is romberry the answer? Or are
the yields I read about on the net the over active
fantasies of waanabes. Help!
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TOPIC - NCGA
DATE - 10:02:22 6/12/99
FROM - Danbo
Vic, I gave NC a phone call and informed him of his pages condition. D
TOPIC - Vic High Hi!
DATE - 09:54:43 6/12/99
FROM - Danbo
Hey can any old crazy people hang around here?
TOPIC - 180 clones
DATE - 08:33:28 6/12/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all,
180- I can name that tune, despensible thriving, vaulable ones dying, truer
words were never spoken;-)
Well the Pan Red is releasing pollen. I think (i hope) it will be a good
sativa to bring Nevils Haze a bit more
manaigablity, as the PR only streached about 8" in flower, it started 12/12
at about 14". Time will tell.
GA- Well either the concentration that is being used is to low, or the
resistance of this Shiske x BigPlum female is very
high, or a bit of each. All the GA's done is elongate the stems. These
two female Shiske x's are strong and were
resistant to some nasty light stressing, that I know would have put most
into hermi. Well so much for GA, im sure it
will get utilized again in the future, im not giving up on trying, just
with this plant.
A great weekend to all;-))
Peace
TOPIC - cloning, diane
DATE - 07:20:48 6/12/99
FROM - 180
hi diane :-)
there are many methods of cloning, but you want to stick to the simple
ones. taking a clone "from a leaf" (tissue
culture) is WAY too slow, complicated, difficult.
many people "top" their plants at some point in their growth, to slow their
upward growth and make them spread. when
this is done, the removed top of the plant can serve as a clone, rather
than being discarded. this is a good way to "save
a copy" of a seedling that you are growing out to flower. after you decide
whether you want to keep the plant (based on
how it turns out in flower), you have that clone to use as a mother plant.
BUT, i would advise taking more than one clone, because clones have a way
of dying when they are important, and
thriving when they are disposable, if you know what i mean...so in addition
to the "top", you might wish to take a
couple lower branches as cuttings, too.
there's alot more info on this subject in the archives at www.weedbase.com,
and ~shabang~ is always glad to help with
newbie q's. check the FAQs, lots of help in cloning. best of luck :-)
peace
TOPIC - cloning
DATE - 04:17:43 6/12/99
FROM - diane
Over at another site someone mentioned
they take a clone by "topping" their plant...
Could someone give me details where exactly
you take a clone? I thought it was from a
bottom leaf.
Also, I read that one tbl. of lemon juice will
lower the ph...that seems like too easy of a
solution for high ph problems.
What do you guys think?
TOPIC - loop_hole
DATE - 22:27:18 6/11/99
FROM - Old Bud
On those water cooled lamps, are you using hoods? How big of an area could
you light with 5 and a sun twist?
TOPIC - Ewchat down?
DATE - 18:36:19 6/11/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey I've been trying to post a correction at NCGA's site but it doesn't
seem to be accepting posts. For those following
the lime thread there this was what I was trying to post.
I've waited all week to post this. I was wrong in my last responce to Baudelaire.
I thought I would wait to give the chem
student a chance to strut his stuff :) I previously posted:
"Yes I suspect there would be an indirect interaction somewhat between
the MgSO3 and CaCO3. The precipitation
(removal) of the Mg++ out of the solution would create an imbalance of
the Ca++ with the SO3- and CO3- levels so the
equilibrium would have to adjust"
According to an article (The pH Perspective)in a recent copy of Practical
Hydroponics & Greenhouses, Ca++ would
would percipitate out of the solution at pH 7.5 and above. This means that
it would have no effect on pH under alkaline
conditions. This means that only MgCO3 (or possibly MgSO3 as Baudelaire
suggested) would be available to affect pH
under alkaline conditions. And it is already known that MgCO3 buffers against
high pH by replacing OH- with CO3- and
precipitate out of solution as Mg(OH)2.
Same result but previous reasoning was wrong.
TOPIC - water-cooled lights
DATE - 12:33:27 6/11/99
FROM - KGB
Hey Loop_Hole, what brand of lights are you using, how much
were they, and are you running to waste or using a radiator?
I'm really interested in this technology as things are
heating up around here quickly....
thanks,
-
TOPIC - Females from Seed? Check it out ...
DATE - 10:59:52 6/11/99
FROM - Curious George
There might be a second way to improve the % ratio of females to males
in a given batch of seeds. In some cases, it
does seem to have moved the plants from the usual female/male ratio of
50/50 closer to a 80/20 ratio or better.
It might work for you ... and it can't hurt.
Here's the deal : Sprout the seeds and get them started in small pots or
cups. Place under bright flourescent lights
until they have developed 3 sets of true leaves, plus one growing tip on
the top.
Then, twice a day, AM & PM, for 3 days in a row, spray the top and
the undersides of the leaves with a soaking mist of
standard fish-emulsion solution ( 1 Tablespoon per gallon ).
( Have been told not to overdo it since much more of the spray tends to
produce hermaphropdites.) That's it .... pretty
simple, and it sure smells bad ...
Post the results if you try it. : )
Oh yeah, almost forgot ... the first way to do it ....
It is possible to achieve 100% female plants from any given batch of seedlings
( at least according to published papers
in the botanical literature ). However, there is one little problem ...
the substance that achieves the effect is very
hazardous to people exposed to it. In fact, in high enough concentrations,
it's lethal.
It won't hurt the plants, or have any effect on the contents of the resulting herb, but it's just not worth the risk.
So, in order to be consistant, I won't let the cat out of the bag ... take
my word for it ... I tried, I screwed-up,
I got sick. ( The method was intended for small plants or seedlings, and
we tried to do it on 6 footers way the hell out in
the boonies! Muy stupido !)
With the coming of the clone, getting all the seeds to go female just isn't That important anymore ... .
TOPIC - pizza; co2
DATE - 05:01:35 6/11/99
FROM - 180
pizza, co2 is heavier than air, so usually the kit set-ups have emitter
tubing that you hang above the tops of the
plants...or behind the fan. if you pump it in at the botom of the space,
it is likely to just sit there.
TOPIC - co2
DATE - 02:04:07 6/11/99
FROM - pizza
is there a certain place a person should put the outlet for inducing co2
into my little gardenany suggestions
TOPIC -
DATE - 22:20:40 6/10/99
FROM - trelaway
ukcblaze-I'd just pick them a bud at a time. When a 3/4 of a bud's hairs
turn, cut it off. Or, you can harvest the top half
of the plant first then, lower the light, and give the bottom another three
weeks.
The finishing times are only estimates. I finished some blueberries a few
months back, two were done at 8 weeks, the
others at 11.
TOPIC - First Timer
DATE - 19:29:57 6/10/99
FROM - ukcblaze
Hi, I hope this question doesnt make me sound too naive. I am growing for
the first time and purchased a pack of
Romulan Suprise from BCGA. I have a grow space of 2 foot by 2 foot and
am in the forth week of flowering two females.
I am using a 400 watt sodium at 12 on and 12 off. One of my plants is showing
lots of dark red/purple hairs well the
other still has very green hairs. I believe the flowering time for the
Romulan Surprise is 10 weeks, so I am hesitent to
pick the fruit. Can someone give me some advise??? please Email me at UKCBLAZE@HOTMAIL.COM.
Thanks
TOPIC - staying cool and tanning my babies
DATE - 18:04:42 6/10/99
FROM - loop_hole
Vic- I would tend to agree with blazer about the water vapor not effecting
the bulb. Of course with no direct experience
two IMHOís = squat. I donít think youíll need extremely high pressure to
atomize the water (although It would be
easier). You could be the one to invent the HVLP of foggers. When I was
looking for misters for my aero setup last
year, la.bud (I think) had a link to some very nice misters (brass) that
where made for fogging. Donít have the link but I
think laís still around.
Other options for cooling would be to run a car radiator in a run to waste
or circulating system with a swamp cooler.
Would help keep humidity down. Perhaps not as efficient, but a system you
can use is always more efficient then one
you cant :)
Been setting up the water-cooled lights this week and these things are
incredible. Shocking how little water is needed
and how cool the jackets are. Weíll see how they grow. Had to set up a
glass barrier between the UV-b and the plastic
jacket so I donít destroy my investment. An easy way to keep your room
cool would to get the sun twist and run
water-cooled lights. AhÖ a five light water-cooled sun twist. If I only
had the balls/time/energy. That would be seriously
fun.
Please keep me informed with your UV experience and Iíll do the same. Not
a lot of info floating around. If you want to
keep that kind of info off this board, just say so. BTW, the bulbs you
have are the exact same ones Iím using. Havenít
put the plants under yet, hopefully this weekend.
Re- potency and UV. I came to the conclusion based on my experience from
going from MH to MH air cooled to hps
then to air cooled hps with a few 400 mh thrown in. There is always variables
and my results are far from scientific, but
I found that the more UV in the room the stronger the product. Even if
itís all in my mind, this is a hobby (not a
business) for me and I love to play. Iíve very aware of the dangers associated
and take the necessary precautions. I
donít find it to be unnatural though, just adding to the light spectrum.
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:46:13 6/10/99
FROM - Vic High
KGB - the questions about specific strains belongs more on one of teh public
sites such as Cannabis.com. I prefer to
keeps things a little more generic here (strain wise) to avoid egos getting
bruised and all the crap that goes with it.
Om Mani Padme -email me and we'll see what we can do. Feezing is the best
for long term storage but it does hurt the
viability rate. bcga@mailcity.com
TOPIC - blue moonshine
DATE - 12:48:11 6/10/99
FROM - stonerg
I have limited experience but I will say it doesn't get any denser.
TOPIC - Blue Moonshine??
DATE - 12:29:39 6/10/99
FROM - KGB
Howdy all -
Looking to vary my crop a bit, and I asked Marc Emery what
would be the stickiest, frostiest, rock-hardest buds around.
He said Blue Moonshine, a White Widow hybrid, without a
doubt. So does anyone have any experience with this strain?
Please help with your input.
Thanks in advance,
-
TOPIC - Freezer Beans eh? Om Mani Padme
DATE - 12:06:02 6/10/99
FROM - Blazer
That sounds very interesting strain wise, sounds like someone has kept
some killer lineage around thankfully! I wonder
how the freezer effects storage opposed to refridgeration? I'd think that
frozen 1's wouldn't stay viable as long, but I have
nothing to back that up. The fridge has done Me VERY well in the past for
several years of storage w/ great germ rates.
Om Mani Padme If Vic doesnt bite on that offer and some info on lineage
is available, We here know several growers
that would love to keep the "strains of old" pure and growing to be spread
through out Our lil coop. We've been able to
keep several strains up and running as no 1 person had the room for them
all, but share cuttings whenever needed
assuring it's exis