TOPIC - ROMBERRY HELP!!!!
DATE - 06:36:40 5/01/99
FROM - toots
Will it hurt to put my romberry under MH for the last three weeks of
flowering? They have been underr 430 sunag for the last 70 days. Im in
a
an awkward situation and don't really want to buy another light but if
if ne
necesary.
TOPIC -
DATE - 20:02:54 4/30/99
FROM - LIL'JOE
I just got some seeds from a friend and he told me they are half Turkish
and Jamaican.Can anyone tell what kind of high that might have and is that
a good plant.
TOPIC - Trelaway
DATE - 17:29:34 4/30/99
FROM - Budm
Hi, Is that the consensus that there was a mix-up som where?
I missed that, That possiablity never entered my mind,I figured the way
RC
part numbers the strains and all, that would be far from a possiablity,
but
as usual Im prpbably missing somthing. This girl dropped some of her
older leaves, the more i work with these plants the more they fasinate
me.Kinda like she wanted to reduce the distance between her leaves and
the lamp, and like your blueberries I have a posi bigbud rigt next to her
thats trying to get jiggy wit the lamp and closing in on it all the time.
I saw at cann.com that KenKeman has returned, im sure he will stop by
after he gets the new addy.
Have a great weekend ;-))
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:47:05 4/30/99
FROM - trelaway
Budm-I was wondering if anyone would have the same problem with
increasing lite intensity. When I went from my 400w MH to the 600hps, my
roms took it VERY hard and drooped for a week while the blues were
almost clapping thier leaves in excitement.
I've been wondering if this caused my herms even tho the consensus is I
didn't have roms to begin with.
just a thought.
thanx for the rockwool info OT, been wondering about the controversy. I'm
gonna stop using it for cuttings (too bad, it was sooooo easy).
A note on asbestos. Apparently not all asbestos is created equally. There
are a few mines in the us that provide the cancer causing asbestos while
the vast majority of it is purported harmless. I read this in a local paper
a
while back. Apparently the canuck gov't has spent billions removing
harmless asbestos from gov't buildings. Not a chemist tho, just relating
what I read.
TOPIC - reply OT1
DATE - 10:55:32 4/30/99
FROM - Budm
Hi, Yes OT1 light intensity has been inrcresed, I did not think a/b
mentioning that, yesterday she was moved from a corner to directly under
one of the lamps, this has never happend B4 so it was confusing, should
I
watch closer for hermies because of this?
Budboy, the same good info that was passed along to me is, when your
canopy is about 75% full is the time to switch to 12/12, however that is
with
sexed females,being that you have 10 plants and the likely outcome will
be
5 fems, maybe you should let the canopy go to about 100% and then switch
to 12/12, then cull out the males, with any luck you will get rid of 3-4
males
then you should have about 75% canopy filled then, and then thats the right
amount of space for each girl. Some one else please lend a hand here as
all of this is very newly aquired knowledge, and I dont want to steer any
one
in the wrong direction. HTH
peace
TOPIC - My cabinet and when to flower?
DATE - 10:41:35 4/30/99
FROM - BudBoy
Hey everyone, Im glad i found this place since the base is fuct now. I
have a
cabinet that is 5ft tall 2.5 deep x 2.5 wide,it has a door on two sides
and a
grow box on heavy duty casters.I have a 400MH in there and seedlings are
1 week old and at the third - fourth node.(all from bag seed)I have ten
plants in the grow box together .my question is when should i flower
them?the fingers of the leaves are pretty fat so im thinkin mostly indica
.I
estimate 5-6 square feet grow space and i want spears to grow without a
lot of branching.If i can flower fast enough then i can kill the males
and put
a screen in?the box has roughly 5 gallons of soil, verm and perlite.been
watering with fish tank water and dilute peters 20-20-20 is it ok to put
them
all together in one box?wish i could get good seed but paranoia increased
from the weedbase spook.thanx everyone
BudBoy
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:29:28 4/30/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Budm was there a big change in light intensity ie have they now got a lot
more? If so they will adjust in a day or so.
oasis no probs, perlite dust is irritating but not likly to cause any long
term
damage and what I use for cuttings.
Ot1
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:08:56 4/30/99
FROM - Budm
Hi again all, well upon closer examination only a few of the fan leaves
are
drooped, shes only been in 12/12 since Sunday maybe its shock because
she came from a 24/0 straight to 12/12, maybe its its Blueberry ansestry
being sensitive to changes comming through?? Today was her day for
water, just gave here plain water with a bit of H2O2, I hope this does
not
cause hermis, Id put her back in veg for a week or so but theres no room.
OT1-Do Oasis cubes fall into that MMF catogory? I to have been concerned
about the Health hazzards of RW,its only used for cuttings, but after I
run out
Id like to use perlite/vermiclite oasis, or spend the money and invest
in the
small table top aeroponic cloner from American Ag in Arizona its only about
100$ for the 18 net cup small unit, Ive heard it is a fantastic machine
with
great sucess rate.
If anyone is looking for new lighting, Eco Ent is having a sale till July
on
Sunlight Supply, the best prices Ive seen on the series 7 mixed spectrum
combo lamps 400mh with 400hps for 350$us and the 600hps with 400mh
for 475$us.Sorry for the product info, its a special that was mailed out,
so
its not on the web site. I hope it benefits someone. Yall have a great
weekend, and a happy may 1st too!
Peace
TOPIC - Help
DATE - 06:25:46 4/30/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All, Af looked in on a Rom that was put into 12/12 on Sunday and as
of
yesterday it was doing fine, this morn alot of its leaves are drooping
bad,
funny thing is yesterday was one of its off days for water, shes in a 5gal
pot
Supersoil, under 800watts of mixed lamps, no ferts yet. This ones really
a
stumper. Thanks for any guesses, the gowth tips look perky still, confused.
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 01:50:31 4/30/99
FROM - oldtimer1
This is what the Positronics said about MMF's :-
ROCKWOOL, GLASSWOOL AND OTHER MAN MADE FIBERS (MMFs)
Asbestos is highly carcinogenic, causing lung cancer. In itself it is not
poisonous. You can even eat it. The danger is brought about by
the size and diameter of the small particles that form the material. When
these parts have a certain diameter and length, they cause lung
cancer. These parts are called Stanton parts, after the man who discovered
them. Asbestos is intransitive and largely made up out of
Stanton parts.
Most MMFs contain 20-30% Stanton parts. So it would be logical to assume
that they have the same effect. Though rockwool parts do
deteriorate faster when they're in the lungs.
The problem with lung cancer is that the illness doesn't manifest itself
for
15-20 years, so it is hard to trace the cause and effect.
The rock wool industry often parades misleading test results from
Switzerland. In these tests, rats live in an atmosphere full of rock
wool particles. After one year the animals are cut open and they joyfully
observe that no lung cancers have developed. This, of course,
is not so strange as we know this takes tens of years, and a rat just doesn't
live that long. Even if you were to repeat this test with
asbestos you would not find any lung cancers. The only reliable method
is
to inject the material into the lungs of the test animals. Then
lung cancers do develop, in the case of asbestos as well as in the case
of
MMFs.
A grower in a professional greenhouse at least has plenty of space and
fresh air around him. Most homegrowers work in attics and
sheds, in non-professional surroundings. When you unpack boxes of rock
wool, dangerous parts are released, regarding
precautions! So, never use rockwool, not to grow and not to plant cuttings
in, it will take years off your life!
TOPIC -
DATE - 01:47:54 4/30/99
FROM - oldtimer1
stonerg providing you can revive your mum and get shoots long enough to
take cuttings they will be just fine providing they are given good conditions,
you cant change the genetic make up of your plant by a near death
experience of the mum. You should consider mumming up one of the cuts
to replace the mum as her root and bark system are probably damaged
reducing her lifespan and vigour.
I certainly wouldn't mix MMF's into veg garden soil as it is subject to
wind,
digging and hoeing and when dry this puts fine particles in the air that
you
can breath. They work their way into the blood stream where they circulate
forever causing tiny lesions every time they pass through the liver.
All the best Ot1
TOPIC -
DATE - 19:23:41 4/29/99
FROM - 67ed
stonerg-
I really don't think so, but I've heard that seeds produced in poor
environments will be a large percentage males.
TOPIC - moms and stress
DATE - 15:49:44 4/29/99
FROM - stonerg
I just rescued a mother from her deathbed. I mean it was bad. Once
healthy, do her offspring have an increased chance of going hermie?
Thanks everyone.
TOPIC - rockwool and karma
DATE - 15:48:10 4/29/99
FROM - stonerg
Is my karma going to hell if I use rockwool and when I'm done with it start
working it into my vegetable garden outside? I thought it would be a good
soil conditioner, but maybe somebody can tell me a reason not to do it.
I
know it's generally thought of as bad for the environment, but I don't
plan to
throw it away, but to use it (forever I'm sure.)
TOPIC - seedbanks
DATE - 14:28:08 4/29/99
FROM - Vic High
sorry Soul for deleting your last post. I should have deleted the question
you were trying yo answer sooner to save you the time. It was a seedbanks
question that doesn't belong here. This will NOT become another
seedbanks forum. I even try to avoid responding to the romberry questions
letting others answer from their personal experience. I hope that other
breeders/seedbanks follow my lead. This is to try and avoid problems
between the many breeders and seedbanks that lurk and post here.
I will try and take the time to add a set of guidelines at the top of the
page to
avoid these types of innocent mistakes. For someone to ask about a
specific trait of a specific strain is fine, as is someone reporting their
experiences with a specific strain. I do draw the line with generalized
seedbank type questions.
TOPIC - preflowers
DATE - 11:48:12 4/29/99
FROM - pi
flwr smkr >>> soul helped me in that area to. just looked at 12 of vic's
Romberries @ about 3.5weeks. 6 females and what looks like 3 males
and 3 undiff premadoria(sp).i used a 30x loop and even with that i had
to
really look. some strains are easier to spot than others. if you have already
trimmed the tops for a 4+ cola'd monster you may already have trimmed
away the preflowers. that is what happened to me when a friend topped
some of my other plants. right Sub!
Thanks soul!
TOPIC - pre-flowers---observations--comments?
DATE - 09:10:35 4/29/99
FROM - flwr smkr
after two years of growing,veging 4-6 weeks than flowering.
decided to try to find these pre-flowers mr.soul keeps talking about.(i
never
seen one)
7 of 10 c-99 germed,10 of 10 romberry germed,10 of 10 strawberry blonde
germed)
all plants under flo lites 24/7 for 5 weeks.
took 4 romberry,4 c-99 and 2 strawberry,put under 430 hps 18/6.at seventh
week,found pre flowers on,
3 of 4 romberry,3 of 4 c-99 and so far none on the two strawberry
blonde.other plants still under flo lites.
not a single plant under flo lites showing pre flowers.
same number of internodes as plants under 430 hps,but no pre
flowers.can't be all males(god they better not be)
is this strictly due to less lighting?
have some more comments about length of veg.for healthier
looking,better yielding plants.
this definately goes along with some comments i 've read from ot1 about
root size.their is method to mr.souls and ot1's madness.heheheheh
will delay some of those comments so as not to wear out my welcome.
be safe.
p.s.good to see your still with us mr.soul.
TOPIC - Allantonin update
DATE - 08:55:49 4/29/99
FROM - Old Bud
Well the harvest is done, WW at 8 wks with allantonin, Very bulky resin
glands (underside of leaves, stems, everywhere).
Taste is harsh and very kotton mouth, I dont like it as the high is no
better
(stronger). I'm not sure if the WW is too blame but I do have some Orange
bud comeing up in the next few weeks, They look great will have to see
about the Kotton Mouth.
Live and Learn, Peace
TOPIC - spke
DATE - 16:00:44 4/28/99
FROM - oldtimer1
spke why do you think your skunks should be finished at 6 weeks of
flowering, some of them require 9 weeks of more its down to the genetics
of the particular strain you are growing. Light hrs should be kept at 12/12
and from the sound of you description you are starving them ie they need
more nitrogen the plant is stripping it from the leaves to keep the cola
growing. You cant change the genetics of what you are growing, with some
of the longer maturing plants the final bud weight can more than double
in
the last 2 or 3 weeks. To do this it needs adequate NPK and light to remain
healthy, not sugar water you will just end up with low quality bud and
light
weight. It is better to learn to read and follow what your plants are telling
you they want to do than try and force them to follow what you think they
should do.
Hope this helps Ot1.
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:57:48 4/28/99
FROM - trelaway
LAB
drop in at www.cannabis.com--the message board system there is what
yer looking for.
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:54:17 4/28/99
FROM - trelaway
Spike- do the leaves on the non-flowering plants have a gold/bronze hue
to
them? Sometimes a too rich N mixture will delay flowering.
TOPIC - kejfls
DATE - 12:42:35 4/28/99
FROM - Eric
SPIKE
I would say that it is one or both of two things. More than likely it is
just
differnce in genetics. It could be that those two plants are getting a
little
light shinning on them that the others arent getting...but i would bet
that it is
difference in genetics. You DONT need to lessen the light period anymore
than it already is..just wait some more.
TOPIC - Sexual Dominance?
DATE - 12:02:44 4/28/99
FROM - Ganjahmel
I am wondering if the sex of a parent affects dominance. I have always
heard that the female has more influence on the offspring. Has anyone
experianced that.
TOPIC - not maturing
DATE - 11:59:00 4/28/99
FROM - spike
hi, i have a question, im at 6 weeks and 1 day into flowering. my plants
are
all baggie seed from good local skunks. they are of course about half and
half of their parents. heres my problem, a couple of em are beautiful and
green as ever with the calyxs swelling and covered with many trichomes
but, not but maybe a dozen pistils have turned color. some fan leaves are
a
pretty autumn yellow. and most others range from mature to almost. ive
used propane to produce co2 and theyre in 5 gallon buckets and are
between 3-4 ft. high.. i just got my cindy 88's a few weeks ago and there
all
doin fine and no probs there. but these 2 plants dont show any sign of
maturing like the others. is it just the unstable seed line or do you think
i
should lessen the daylight. there on 11/13 now and have been for 10 days.
ive also cleared some with sugar. what should i do? thanks.
TOPIC - kjshkas
DATE - 11:57:44 4/28/99
FROM - Eric
Budm
I noticed that same growth in a flo that was reveged..if you will keep
it under
low light it will continue to grow like that longer. Flo#1 is the mostly
indica
and it shows this more than Flo#3. Three blades is the most it will put
out,
But clones from it are the normal. The Flo#1's leaves are single bladed
with no serations. the leaves resemble a hedge bush. If you will look
closely you should find where the plant is still or once was growing calaxas
on the stems like an inch apart from each other as if it were tring to
grow
branches but calaxas were forming. Its kinda stuck inbetween veg and
flowering. The calaxas actually have resin glands on them.
EDHASSLE...ericcarr21@hotmail.com
just leave your addy no message and i will mail you from someother
account
Mr.soul
cinderella99 is doing great. got 8 out of 10 to germ, They will be done
in a
20'x6' plot with 4 feet of root depth
soil is a mixture of topsoil,compost,cow manure,blood meal,bone meal,
worm castings, campfire ashes, water poylmers, peatmoss, sand, perlite,
vermiculite. this mixture fills the 4' deep hole with 20'x 6'. It will
have first
morning sun, and will recieve direct sunlight until 6:00pm
so thats at least 12 hours a day. I know they will be later to start flowering
because they are actually a foot tall now and will put into the patch as
soon
as the soil sweetins (3 more weeks) ( i forgot i also added dolmite lime
to
the mix) and i will be pouring the nitrogen to them because there will
be
multiple clones taken over the summer, which brings me to my questions.
1. can you give me an idea of the expected yeild for those plants taking
into
consideration that they will have everything the could ever want and stress
will be VERY little.
2. can you give me an idea as to the expected yeild per plant for the clones
that will be taken. They will be grown in five gallon buckets with the
same
soil mixture as the plot.
I know that the roots have far less room in the buckets but i need an idea
if
you can help.
Thanks
TOPIC - this & that
DATE - 09:38:28 4/28/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all,
Vic I got that joke this morning had a good chuckle with my coffee, at
first I
was "this is not that funny" till I opened the 2nd msg!!. Ive been using
all of
Jays lines on phone calls etc, keeps many people laughing;-)
67ed, That is a very kind offer, and when the time is right we can finalize
it
via email, thanks a bunch, as I really want to try to continue it, even
if its in a
cross. I do have one last shot as im going to obtain 5 of the PR eggs from
Eric, say a prayer, and any "soak" susgestions for stubborn seeds would
be of great intrest to me, and really apprechiated, and of course 67ed,
Id
really like it if you would accept some sort of beans in exchange, the
extent
of the egg inventory is really nice, due to some really nice generosity,
and of
course after the PR has crossed with the Haze, it would be nice to compare
grow-outs with you, and anyone that would like some, when the time
comes Ill ask for foster parents.
Well bit about the suprises.
RSB,Wash,P.75,LS,--all are about 4" at about 10 days above soil on there
3rd nodes, the washingtons seem to be the most vigerous, closely
followed by the RSB's, all of the suprises are faster then the Peak19 F2s,
that were started at the same time, the P19s are as tall but only at 2
nodes.
Af did a couple of late cuttings from the flower closet that had to basically
go
through re-veg due to the lateness
of the cloning, they took about 30 days to return to vegitative growth,
and
was it a twisted contourted dance that they went through, with leaves on
them now that bear no resemblence at all to MJ, some auctually twisted
around-and-around the stems like they were trying to wrap thenseves
around the stalk, weird, a whole nother dimension to MJ growth that untill
now Ive never seen, facinating.
shugroz- Nice post, I was going to lend a hand there, as thats about the
only area at this point im confident giving advice in, but you did a fantastic
job, much better then what id have done;-))
67ed can you please email me? Thanks
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:57:51 4/28/99
FROM - Kali Mist
Can somebody please show me the way to ew chat? I accidently wiped
away all of my book marks and the only thing I remember is 207??????.
Thanks.
TOPIC - starting seeds
DATE - 07:35:49 4/28/99
FROM - shugroz
I can help with this one or at least tell u how I do it and have good success.
U will need.
distilled water
An aquarium pH test kit
PH up and pH down drops safe for fish and plants
White, clean paper towels
2 porcelain plates
Vitamin B1, super thrive, or (KLN) dynagrow
Magnifying glass
Nail, chopsticks or something similar
Spray bottle
1) Test your distilled water for itís current pHÖand then correct it with
the
drops ÖI add enough pH down to get it to 6.4
2) fold a paper towel so that none of it is hanging off of the plate ìwet
downî
the towel with your pH corrected B1 water place
3)Carefully with very clean hands spread out the seeds so they do not
touch each other and so that the moisture can surround them.
4)Place a second paper towel over the seeds in the same manner then wet
that towel downÖput the 2nd plate over the first and allow all the excess
water to drain off.
5)Put a sticky note on the top of the plates with the date and ìkindî of
seeds
you just started.
6)NOW, put them in a ìwarmî place in your home and in about 12 hrs. start
checking themÖ
7)Use your magnifying glass and catch these little suckers just as soon
as
they start to crack open
From here Iíll just tell you how I do it since I donít know what medium
or
method u use to grow.
8) I use seedling 6packs fill them with soiless (promix or other) wet down
with the same B1 water..if you catch them as soon as they start to crack
open..it shouldnít matter how u ìplaceî them in the soilÖI use a clean
disposable chop stick to make a small hole about ½ in deep and with
a
pair of clean tweezers (making sure not to touch the tiny sprout) drop
the
seed in hole..Put more medium over the hole and then spray them with the
same ìwaterîÖ
They will ìsproutî at different times so keep checking them with the
magnifying glass and plant them as they sprout.
They should all ìsproutî within a couple daysÖ
Then I put them under 2 banks of 40watt floros as close to the middle of
the
light as possible and just a few inches from the light.
Keep them moist but not ìsoggyî they should pop there heads up in about
2 daysÖkeep using the spray bottle until u can water them without
disturbing the soil/seeds..
Use this ìwaterî until the seedlings are at least a week oldÖor however
many inches high and then switch to a mild seedling/start solutionÖ
I go from 6 packs to 4î pots to 3 gal pots allowing them to show foots
thru
the bottom of the container before transplanting themÖ
If u want info on transplanting just post and Iíll answer!
What kind of seeds are u using? If you are using ìbagî seed pick the most
robust looking seedsÖif you are buying seed sprout ëem all..
To date Iíve sprouted 99 per of my bag seeds and have no problems with
this method.
Iíve used the same method with friended or purchased seeds with the
following results:
Skunk/bag 99%
Cg/c88 an incredibly low 50% I was told these were a less viable seed but
still got 6 beautiful plants to choose a mother plant from
Romberry bcga 100%
Blueberry bcga 70%
These % are actual sprouted growing seedlings going into veging.
Hope this helps. Iím sure there are many other ways, but this way you get
to
know your seeds and their life cycle..
Keep you magnifying glass close youíll be needing it for sexingÖand look
at your plants often so you will learn and see the stages for yourselfÖset
small goals and look to the futureÖie getting good mothers to clone
fromÖyes u too can clone!!
Sorry this is sooo long
shugroz
TOPIC - PR mate
DATE - 23:08:38 4/27/99
FROM - 67ed
Budm: I've got a suggestion. I've got Nevil's Haze, and the seeds should
be
ready by June or before. I know you can wait that long because Kenke said
yours didn't finish in Panama till December. I've selected a female with
pure haze characteristics, same with the father. I'd be glad to send you
some when they're done. Actually, some seeds should be viable in a
month as they're already swelled up in their calyxes. This is about the
closest to Panama Red that I can think of.
TOPIC - Internet Security
DATE - 22:20:51 4/27/99
FROM - Toaster
Hi all, first off I know that this is off topic but I think it's something
to really
look into. That said a little background about me. I'm putting together
a
grow closet based on Cha Cal's plans posted on WeedBase, should be
starting in about 1 week. Will definatly be turning to all of you for advice
over
the next few months.
Now what I wanted to tell you guys was that in my serch for anonimity on
the internet (for obvious reasons) I found this company called Zero
Knowledge that is putting together a program called Freedom. It looks to
me like it is going to be an excellent way to aquire true privacy. Basicly
the
web page requests, e-mail, newsgroups, etc. all go through Freedom
servers which partially encrypt/decrypt the data. That way no single server
can read the actual data and all personal info can be striped. They are
going to be releasing a beta soon but you have to sign up for the test
at
their site in order to participate. I've already signed up and would
encourage all of you to at least check them out at the link below. Oh yeah,
they are based in Montreal.
BTW - No I do not work for them, hope you don't take this as spam. Just
thought that those of us with this hobby should be on the look out for
stuff
like this.
Link: Zero Knowledge - Freedom
TOPIC - Growing seeds
DATE - 17:31:25 4/27/99
FROM - L.A.B.
I'm a first time grower, and having some problems.
I'm soaking seeds overnight in distilled water then planting. The problem
is
some come up root first. I've read some books and all the hints i could
get
my hands on, online but i still get about 15% upside down. Now my
undertanding is to put the seed in soil with the tap root pointing up.
Is this right??
As well my plants don't seem to be growing very fast. I have made some
ajustments in humidity which i didn't have high enough for the new
seedslings but still seeing slow growth. HELP.
TOPIC - forgot
DATE - 16:50:05 4/27/99
FROM - shugroz
xoxoxo mr.soul
TOPIC - thanks
DATE - 16:49:05 4/27/99
FROM - shugroz
6 weeks to the day found the "two white hairs" on one plant..it's one of
the
bag seed somthing/skunk...got 6 cc/c88 with pre-flowers almost ready to
tell...used a 30 loupe and now that i know exactly where to look...pretty
sure
i can do it..thanks for the help and the pictures..still worried about
vacation..but very confident i can sex them with the help given...this
crop i
wanted to learn to sex at pre-flower and get a good handle on ph...what's
the 3 most important skills of a good grower??? i need new gaols...then
on
to breeding...
thanks again all!!!
shugroz
TOPIC - is anyone experienced w/ "blue moonshine"
DATE - 15:52:24 4/27/99
FROM - indican
???
TOPIC - Eric would you post your email addy.
DATE - 13:06:54 4/27/99
FROM - edhassle
nfm
TOPIC - Bein' Helpful
DATE - 12:54:13 4/27/99
FROM - MrSoul
High Everyone_~ Nice to see the familiar "faces"...thanks for the greetings.
I
decided to "run off at the mouth" a bit answering a couple of your questions
below:
no-one_~ I'd recommend getting pollen from a stable, heavy-yielding strain
that complements yours with respect to her other traits most important
to
you and make that cross. You could then "tweak" the following generations
toward the traits of the parent that they seem to ìneed more ofî over the
course of a few generations and you'll have something that pleases you.
Slowing down and explaining that:
1. Make a cross with a strain that compliments yours, let's call him "B",
and
your mother "M"...just to facilitate our discussion:
2. Observe the females resulting from the cross to determine how close
to
your ideal they came out.
2a. If this first generation (F1) seem to need more of the mother's influence,
cross the males from this generation back to the mother again to create
"M.75" (This is a terminology I invented based on cubing: the decimal at
the
end of the name indicates the percentage of the name's genes in the
hybrid).
2b. If the F1's still need more influence of the father, use his pollen
on the
best F1 females to create "B.75".
3. Continue to "follow your ideal" along these lines and I think you'll
arrive at
a hybrid that pleases you.
Budm_~ Your question derives from the difference in crossing F1's of the
same parents together being an F2 and the other possibility: F1 x F1 from
DIFFERENT parental stock. It's the difference between crossing the F1
Sk#1/NL#5 and the F1 Durban/Thai, with an F2 cross of Sk#1/NL#5 x
Sk#1/NL#5.
Vic and I discussed this before and I believe he feels that they're technically
BOTH considered F2's. I feel there should be a distinction between the
two
categories...as they result in different outcomes. The "homogeneous" F2
cross would give the classic F2 ratios reflecting the stable P1 elements
which went into the F1, while the "mixed" F2 would be either wildly more
unstable -- spitting out phenotypes from all four original P1 lines, or
a lot
more like an F1 cross where the two dissimilar parents create a fairly
consistent "compromise phenotype" F1. Both are possibilities.
The other KGB_~ Thanks for the compliment, you sound like you're taking
good care of them. I think you should give it a week & see how they
look
before adding to the nute strength; 1500 ppm is strong. Having said that,
Cinderella IS a heavy feeder, so you MIGHT need more...(to err on the weak
side is the golden rule). Yeah, the pistils come out so fast and in such
"clumps" they DO look like they're in loops! Wait until 7 weeks of 12/12
and
harvest...surely you have THAT much more patience after getting THIS
far?..heehehee.
Lady J_~ Way ahead of you on that G13/C99 idea. We'll talk later.
TOPIC - C-99 clones in ebb + flow
DATE - 11:02:57 4/27/99
FROM - The other KGB
Just thought I'd comment....
10 clones in 2-liter ebb + flow system.
1 week into 12/12.
Currently using GH nutes at 2-1-3 (M,G,B) plus 3 tsp. per gallon pureblend.
PH nailed at 6.0.
The stretch is minimal.
Plants are incredibly bushy, its like a jungle in there.
pistils are strange, growing in loops.
I'm at about 1500 ppm, but they look like they want more nutes???
These are the most vigorous plants ive seen, although I've only had about
8
harvests of 5 strains.(NL,NL#9,Sensi star,Thai and Kush).
I'm really low on stash, and hope I can keep my patience with these
beauties!
Kudos to Mr. Soul
Early impressions are great!!
TOPIC - soul
DATE - 10:06:54 4/27/99
FROM - Lady J
hi all,
soul>>thanks, I'll be in touch. Just think what that stuff will do to a g13!
Peace
TOPIC - pollinating outcomes
DATE - 08:44:04 4/27/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all,
edh- bad break sorry to here a/b it, could be much worse,if you need any
help restocking bean inventory you have my
addy;-) Be happy to be of assistance.
Please excuse the ingnorance of the question, as to some of you im sure
its as simple as 1 + 1, but im trying to learn. Im aware that when polinating
m & f F1 it produces a F2 generation and it lays out expressions of
both
parents lineage. (like a litter of kittens I saw once, moma was a black
cat
dad was a mixed color, but one kitten was Siamese color perfectly,
somewhere in one parents past was Siamese)
Now my question is what does a mating of two F1's produce? I ask
because afs Peak19 pollen is comming close to being at its end of shelf
life, and he pollinated a branch on one of his KaliMists, just want to
have a
rough idea of what
F1 + F1 = ? In the case of the Romberry x AF#1 so far it appears that the
cross favors Romberry, smell, stature, etc, but the fan leaves are not
as big
as they were on Romberry, more like the Fans on the AF#1 were, Ive read
about "achelles" is that like which traits will be resseive and which will
be
dominate. Im going to try to start on Clarkes book on-line, so I dont have
to
ask such basic questions, but Id still like to just have a bit of info
of what to
execpt out of a F1 X F1. TIA
Nice to see the recoginized handles and the new ones;-))
Yall stay safe.
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:16:46 4/27/99
FROM - H.C.
Hummmmmmmmmmm???????
TOPIC - At last
DATE - 08:13:56 4/27/99
FROM - H.C.
Hi gies, been searching for this site for a long time but kept missing
it.I
wound up a few doors away until now.Ot1 you must have given me this
addy but for some reason I didnt use it, that will be remidied now. Nice
to
be back with my old aquantances and sure will make new friends.
I see what you mean now Ot1 about the jh fan leaves.Biggest I ever saw
and the serrigations are quite prevelant now. Just took a week longer to
develope
There still the runts but what lovely runts and there not that much smaller
but surrounded by ww and nl5Xhaze they do look kinda petite.
Nice to see ya again Mr. Soul
Great to make your aquantance Vick High.
Hi pie.
TOPIC - At last
DATE - 08:12:58 4/27/99
FROM - H.C.
Hi gies, been searching for this site for a long time but kept missing
it.I
wound up a few doors away until now.Ot1 you must have given me this
addy but for some reason I didnt use it, that will be remidied now. Nice
to
be back with my old aquantances and sure will make new friends.
I see what you mean now Ot1 about the jh fan leaves.Biggest I ever saw
and the serrigations are quite prevelant now. Just took a week longer to
develope
There still the runts but what lovely runts and there not that much smaller
but surrounded by ww and nl5Xhaze they do look kinda petite.
Nice to see ya again Mr. Soul
Great to make your aquantance Vick High.
Hi pie.
TOPIC - mr soul breeding?????
DATE - 08:11:20 4/27/99
FROM - no-one
i have a strain(austrailia red devil) that is very quick to finish 42 day!
very
branchy, but dosent yeid like i would like it too! i think it is some kind
of f1
betweeen super skunk and nl#5 there is something else in there but i dont
know what?? i would like too stabilize this strain and up the yeild!! but
i
cannot get a male due too being given the strain as a clone!! and i dont
know anyone with seeds of this cross?? any sugetions would be greatly
apreciated!! also all u other breeders feel free to comment???
no-one
TOPIC - edhassle
DATE - 08:05:52 4/27/99
FROM - Eric
edhassle
Do you have more seeds?
If not just email me and i will set you up.
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:41:15 4/27/99
FROM - Vic High
Just got a sec but:
best of luck Ed, I hope you didn't plant all at once and have some backups.
Rover, I just wanted to comment on your romulan traits. Pure romulan
doesn't have a fruity smell at all. It's more like a pine smell. If your
experience of romulan has had a fruit smell, then that would be from what
it's been crossed with (like the blueberry in romberry). Thanks for the
comments though :)
TOPIC - ed's prob
DATE - 20:12:31 4/26/99
FROM - you know me as a regular
hey bud, keep us informed. hopefully there's a friend near you who has
internet access and can keep us informed, *should* the worst happen. you
know you have friends here who are willing and able to help, should the
need arise.
but if it's anything like what happened to me several years ago when cops
knocked on my door during a grow (it's hard to knock on my door when
there isn't one at my place), it was just the cops looking for a neighbor
kid...or so i was told by them after waiting many long minutes for them
to
leave. yes, i opened the door with rake in hand and said i was out back
raking up dog shit and didn't hear the knock.
at any rate, they left and haven't been back since! (yes, i'm knocking
on
wood)
just trying to give ya a little comfort....it's not always what ya think.
but you
did the safe and smart thing.
TOPIC - Cloning large branches
DATE - 19:44:27 4/26/99
FROM - Rover
I have a RomXSkunk thats 40 days into flower and Im gonna pull them in
the next few days but im interested in trying to remove the buds from the
two larger branches and try to clone them. Will this work? The 2 main
branches are fairly big, probably around 2 feet long and thicker then a
peencil. If I leave the main fans on will they take hold and root?
These plants are really skunky (actually smelled like cat piss when
budding) but they look like roms. Sweet, tangy buds that are covered with
resin, they loose their skunk smell when cured and retain that mild friuty
rom smell. Not really big yeilders but good smoke. Nice functional but
mellow high. These were an accident from my last crop but I think im
gonna keep this line since it was such a fast grower. Good sticky buds
after 38 days.
Any input is greatly appreciated. thanks guys.
TOPIC - one of those days
DATE - 19:30:42 4/26/99
FROM - edhassle
I just thought I'd share my experience to day.I new it was going to be
one of
them days this morning when one of my 400 watt lghts cord broke and
came crashing down on two flowering 4wk old plants.The day turned worse
later in the afternoon when a sheriff car pulls in my driveway and officers
come to my door and knock and rings the door bell...I did what most any
stoner would do not answer it.Well they left after a few mintues.I had
over
100 plants growing counting the 'surprise seedling I received frm vic and
some of bro grimms best that were going to go outside in a few
weeks...and 6 4wk old flowering females many other nice strains in various
stages of growth.Expecting leo to be back with a search warrant I freaked
and got rid of all the plants by chopping them up in a gas
woodchipper...Man those romberry and c-88 have thick stems!,Maybe I over
reacted a bit...But In the state I reside in woud mean a very lenghty prison
sentence.I would like wish my fellow growers a safe year.I,m going back
to
outdoor gardening for a while!.I will still be lurking..If you order seeds
All I
can say is be careful and use common sense and don't leave a paper trail
that can be linked back to you.peace!
TOPIC - solo cups
DATE - 15:14:25 4/26/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all, Due to a abudance of new starts (from 3 very generous friends)
af
went a bit overboard and started
more then he has room for in 1-5 gal pots, so some are going to have to
spend an extended time in plastic cups, till there are vacancies in regular
pots in the veg area. So he found a big brother to the "Solo 16oz", its
a 24oz
cup. Does any one think there will be stress or anything like stunted growth
if they have to stay in these cups longer than 3 weeks? The following starts
will be up-dated with basic growth mesurements and observations,also
will be happy to answer any special questions about any of them as time
gos on.
RSB sup
Washington sup
P.75 sup
Peak 19 F2
Panama Red
JackFlash F1
JF x BB
Shisk x Big Plum
Big thanks to the three great folks who made these possiable,in three
countries,(canada,panama,and US)I love the web;-))
A follow up on SuperCrystal from HGF, the first go around out of three
beans only one female resulted, and she was whorled and not very good,
med quality smoke, Super soil, organic ferts 80 watts per sqft, of mixed
spec light, 2 gal pots no C02. The second set of 3 beans yielded 2 ladies
of
only slightly better quality,the only bright spot being that they yielded
about
40 grams per gallon. Sup Crystal will not be a repete, I guess it really
does
go to show, that cup winners mean nothing, the samples can be one thing
and the beans sold to the public another, dont get ,me wrong no conspicery
theroys or colusion or anything, I just mean very vairable out comes.Im
sure
allowed to grow out enough seeds, one can find examples that are like the
plants that generated the samples to win the CCup, but they were not in
his
pack.
Thanks again to all that shared there abudance and good fourtunes, it was
a refreshing change not to "bum out"
because a 5-15$ seed fell on the floor, or did not germ. That was really
nice.
af Really wants to get the Panama Red mated, to produce seed, so that he
can pass along a bunch to the community, I hope it works out, only one
seedling resulted from the first 10 beans, and is doing well, it looks
as if
there will be 5 more beans to germinate, keeping my fingers crossed for
1
male and one female. Anyone with susgestions for "soaks" for stubborn
seeds please pass the info allong, as these are the real McCoy, they were
sent from Panama, and im sure this will be af's only shot at this strain.
Any susgestions for a mate to cross it with if things dont work out with
the
last five beans, from someone experienced with Sativas would be great;-))
TIA
Peace
TOPIC - Question
DATE - 14:52:24 4/26/99
FROM - Chichimeca
I have not been gardening since my mama died and I have no where to go
to get started again. Is this site legit. ? Can someone inform me and give
me preperations to restart the garden of eden and peace for humanity ???
gracias
TOPIC - Variance in germ. time amongst strains.
DATE - 12:37:09 4/26/99
FROM - John
Has anyone else noticed that different strains seems to have different
germination times? I just planted 10 each of El Nino, Skunk #1, and
Romberry and the El Nino were the first to break the shell, the Romberry
busted out half a day later but beat all of the El Nino to the surface
and the
Skunks are still below ground. Anyone else had any similar experiences?
TOPIC - Bridge over troubled water
DATE - 12:20:35 4/26/99
FROM - Elminster
Glad to see you are lurking R.S hehe
Pleased the move went well
Be Safe
E
TOPIC - Bridge over troubled water
DATE - 11:09:47 4/26/99
FROM - MrSoul
Vic_~ Having checked out this page for about a week, I just wanted to post
a few lines to let the folks here know who's watching. I'll try to answer
any
questions that fall under my areas of expertise whenever I can.
For anyone not familiar with me, please NOTE that I'm often misunderstood
to be a rather pompous asshole...I assure you it's all in FUN! We all need
personality and if mine "rubs ya the wrong way", don't take it too seriously
(You'd probably LIKE me if you KNEW me...heehehee! {"8^)_~
Baudelaire_~ Nice to cya! You're right to tell "shugroz" to look for
pre-flowers...his plants are old enough now that I'd personally be able
to
see the sex of each of them from across the room. It seems strange to me
that anyone who's EVER SEEN a female flower wouldn't be able to
recognize them in the pre-flower stage, but even VERY EXPERIENCED
guys tell me it's not as easy as I make it sound.
Kali Mist info: I have clones from two females that I'm growing for the
second time, so I can relate my experiences to those who are curious
about this strain. I got my seeds from Serious Seed Co., which is the bank
reputed to sell the authentic article. I read Mel Frank's review of Kali
Mist in
a sidebar article of High Time's Cannabis Cup a couple of years ago. He
gave the description (and provided a matching picture) of a VERY
Sativa-dominant strain that sounded quite like Original Haze. However,
when I grew the seeds out, I got a hybrid which looked like a NL#5 had
been crossed with the plant Mel described. The leaves were wide and the
colas long and dense...only the individual floral clusters growing off
the
sides of the colas lokked "kinda" Sativa-influenced. The flavour and scent
are spicy and delicious - the high's very pleasant, but not outrageous.
The
yield is GOOD, as the colas are rock-solid, but the flowering period is
an
awkward 9 1/2 weeks!
Lady J_~ I'll have some Cinderella 99 pollen to help your UBC's "asphalt"
flavour in a couple of weeks...sounds to me like a good mating. UBC's
flowering period will be shortened by C99 and if the fruity flavour
dominates, you'll have a real nice cross...PLUS you won't have to worry
that
you'll dilute the potency of UBC by using C99 pollen. E-mail me @england.
TOPIC - Cloning during flower
DATE - 10:03:29 4/26/99
FROM - baudelaire
Shugroz: Yes, you can take cuttings in early flower. They will take about
two
weeks longer to root, but otherwise not a problem.
But a better way would be to try to pre-sex the plants with a magnifying
glass or loupe. At 6 weeks they should just be beginning to alternate
branching. That's your key that they are sexually mature and ready to sex.
Point your loupe at a main stem node near the top. Check them all for two
white hairs protruding out...Them's the babes. You should definitely be
able to sex the Cinderellas. That's Soul's strain and he says he's never
seen a plant that couldn't be pre-sexed.
The other, less elegant and efficient fix is to clone all the plants before
sexing, then throw out the males and low grade female clones when the
original plants are flowered. But try pre-sexing first. It's easy once
you've
done it.
B420
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:58:33 4/26/99
FROM - Lady J
hi all,
Day 33 of 12/12. The champagne is starting to fill out and display its
kush
ancestry in full. The buds look just like the ones at Cannabis Canada.
The
"sheen" that emery talks about is very evident and the calyxes are
beginning to swell rapidly.
The grapefruit will have to be staked. The tops are too heavy and the plant
wants to keel over. No growth below about 18" as anything at this level
of
the canopy just does not cut it. The nl heritage (frosted) is there for
sure
and I expect some very large aromatic tops. Not as developed as the
champagne at this point however.
The ubc1 is putting on some good weight and may yield a little better than
originally thought. That's ok, as the potency is top-notch. This is the
most
sturdy of all the plants. It has a trunk like a tree!.
Peace
TOPIC - shugroz' flowers
DATE - 09:53:16 4/26/99
FROM - m.g.
they sound damn near old enough to tell now (or soon). here's a couple
pics that show preflowers pretty well...
female: http://www.marijuana.org/pistilatepre.JPG
male: http://www.marijuana.org/staminatepre.JPG
mine usually show a few by the 6th week...8th for sure on most plants.
but
there's always that one or two though...
perhaps if you cut the lights down to 18 or 20 you'll start getting more
flower
production to be able to tell better. they probably don't need that 24/7
anyway...imho.
TOPIC - more info
DATE - 09:07:33 4/26/99
FROM - shugroz
i grow in soiless mix and all the plants have 6 sets of true leaves..not
alternating yet...except the one the cat took a bite of..
TOPIC - now what??
DATE - 08:59:45 4/26/99
FROM - shugroz
my plants are all 10 to 13 inches tall...6 weeks old.
i've got 6 c88...and 3 skunk
i leave for vacation in 29 days...4 weeks..
they are on 400hps and 400mh...24hrs.
i want to determine the males before i go! so my friend has less plants
to
care for.
should i go ahead and flower?...so far the soonest i've been able to det.
sex
is into the 12th day of flower..
this is my 3rd crop..so not to good at sexing yet!
i want to det sex..pull the best mother out for cloning and grow the rest
to
harvest..i don't plan on keeping any of the skunk mothers.
can i take cuttings early in the flower stage or must i pull the female
out of
veg for a couple days/weeks and then take clones when i get home?
any time table suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:52:20 4/25/99
FROM - terrytune
finally made it thank you to whoever posted the link on bcgrowers title
my
server wouldnt give me this adress a little abuot myself i typ a little
worse
than i spell i live mid van island growing outdoors for about 10 yrs with
reasonable luck its been a learning experiance i have overcome quite a
few problems last fall i took a cutting from a neighbuor beauty indi sativa
x
we dont know each other personally hell he thinks he had a minor deer
problem so i dont know the strain i broughht it back from bud first time
cloning the plant had green stalks my clones stalks are now turning red
seems odd to me its not genetic a nutrient deficiency possibly help the
grow medium is half mushroom man half topsoil never had a problem
before with the mix responses appreciated ttune
TOPIC - Male Hermie
DATE - 05:16:35 4/24/99
FROM - Fool on the Hill
Would a male plant showing a few female flowers be any good for
breeding?
TOPIC - Trelaway
DATE - 11:43:04 4/23/99
FROM - Budm
Hi Trelaway,I know HS does'nt carry JackFlash, it does go a bit long in
the
flowering, it grows in two types one very Sat/Haze influenced, tall 5'-6'
with
huge "Heads on Sticks" that dried at over 1oz each! there were 5 of them
on
one lady in a 5 gal pot, she took about 76 days, but was worth every day.
The other type grows very Indie like, there was one special lady like this
type, that was very fruity with a nice trippy high that gave way to a indie
high
after the first hour and the indie/dom takes about 60days to flower, also
very
well worth the wait, several conusiours said that it was amongst the best
Indica they had ever smoked, and the taste cured is fantastic. And the
strain
is very easy to take care of. It was really nice, and it yields great in
both
forms. Out of 7-8 diffrent strains grown Romberry and JackFlash are
definate repetes, as they are both in the Veg closet again.Theres really
only
one place to get Sensi stock (IMO) but the price is OK considering they
give
ya 16beans, in that respect there only a/b 5$ each.
Sorry for the long post but Its a favorite and I wanted to give ya my .02!.Hth
Peace
TOPIC - Time of day to harvest
DATE - 08:54:16 4/23/99
FROM - ShareCropper
First, thanks for the input on the KM. This seed business gets out of control,
have too many as it is and I still want MORE.
Time of day to harvest? I know that Mel F. had a chart in his guides showing
a significant increase in THC for a single bud that was harvested at a
later
time then the other control buds. I since, mostly due to security resons
outdoors, have harvested at night. Indoors? Any input folks?
Thanks!
TOPIC - OT1 etc.
DATE - 08:42:22 4/23/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all, Vic how is the Roms yield when the 10gals are used, given the right
amount of veg time,does the yield rise in proportion to the pot size? I
know
you go 60 days, are the flowers 50-70% pistil ripe at 60days? I have
concluded that the early ripining time(50-55days), on afs Roms was due
to
more light then the light the 60day productions recieve. The Rom xAF#1
shows no influence of the AF1 really, it appears to resemble Rom in Veg,
with the execption of the fan leaves are not as large as pure Rom.
OT1- You have a email from me early in the week,it was more of an inquirey
as to your well-being, because I did not see any posts from you for a while,
Im happy to hear your Ok, take care and be well;-)And thanks for clairfying
that, mis-conseption about your pals grow.Its things like this that im
trying
to learn, basic logic to me says "more veg time more yield, or at least
the
same amount as before" but 30% less.. It makes logical sense now that I
understand the canop, in a situation like that, I wonder if some pruning
have helped to decrese the yield loss, if the grower knew he veged to long?
A good weekend to all;-)
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:29:26 4/23/99
FROM - oldtimer1
For the folk here that grow or are thinking of growing Romberry it has
two
distinct forms the normal tall one and a short stocky one. Vic tells me
it
represents 1 to 10 + of the normal female form so unless you grow a lot
you may not see it. I'm at the end of week 9, the first 7 were 24-7 and
the
last 2 on 12/12 hrs. The normal RB's are between 38 and 43 inches high
very alike and still stretching a little, plenty of bud sites developing.
It has an
ideal form for my close spacing as there are no long side branches. I think
that Vic pulls any short form he finds as the normal canopy would close
over them, but I think it could be very useful for those who grow outdoors
and want a short form, once again it has short side branches. But the most
interesting thing is the leaves they are enormous each leaf blade is 2
inches wide they look like a horse chestnut leaves, even the colour is
similar. I have two in this grow they are both about 23 inches tall at
the
present and I've decided to let them run. If there is any interest in them
I'll
report back on them from time to time.
All the best Ot1.
TOPIC - Romberry
DATE - 08:14:17 4/23/99
FROM - Capn Chronic
Well this sucks. I was lookin at my four remaining romberry females and
what did I discover on two plants....Male flowers. Looks like all the stress
I
put on em finally got to em. Oh well still got two left. Im gonna put them
back in veg so I can take some clones from them. The clones I got now
look like they will survive but half of them are hermies. Hopefully I can
get 5
clones from the remaining females for planting.
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:25:00 4/23/99
FROM - oldtimer1
no-one. I'm from the uk I don't think it matters where you come from! Its
a
place where things relating to growing are discussed. The best bits of
info
are archived, have a look on the main page, there is no thread as such,
as
new things are discussed the oldest info goes off the end of the page,
so if
you start at the bottom of the page and read up to here it should bring
you
up to speed. Ot1.
TOPIC - on topic?
DATE - 07:15:10 4/23/99
FROM - Vic High
ok folks, maybe I should try and clarify what this page is for. Maybe it
would
be easier to say what it isn't. It's not a coffee shop to socialize. It's
not a
seedbanks page to discuss which strain is better. This isn't a newbie page
to ask newbie questions.
If you have some info to share, great! If not, then just lurk. If you have
grown
a strain and want to share the info, great. But don't be asking for others
to
share it. Do that at can.com's seedbank page.
We are not interested in re-creating the wheel here. We don't need another
general chat board, or if we do, I won't be hosting it. I'm going to be
overly
heavy handed in my deleting of posts until this gets through. This will
not
become the next popular hangout. We don't need one, fix the ones you
already have.
Well I was blunt to try and avoid confusion, please don't be offended.
I
prefer when people talk straight with me. Well it'sanother beautiful day
out
there, gotta go join it!
See ya!
TOPIC -
DATE - 21:10:35 4/22/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey, interesting day here eh?
Ganja - best advice I can offer is to do your homework first and stick
to
buying the strains that you set out for. And from the legit sources, not
the
knock-offs. Following this I've had few bad experiences in Vancouver. I've
had good experiences buying brand name seeds from Bongblaster and
Marc Emery. Dave Freedom was very friendly and generous but I had bad
luck with his AK47. His superkush and kush special were significantly
better but they were still mostly females and herms so my alarm bells still
went off. I've only grown the DP durban from the Amsterdam cafe and
wasn't too impressed but that is more a reflection on DP's Durban than
the
Amsterdam cafe.
getting the beans home? well, IMHO, the safest way is to mail them home.
I
like to use foam board or corregated plastic (like cardboard but plastic)
to
protect the seeds from getting crushed. Cut a piece big enough to fit nicely
inside a regular envelope. I like to use masking tape to hold the seeds
in
place. I then seal the envelope with transparent tape to make sure it
doesn't pop open in transit. The reason I like this method is because
customs cannot open regular mail without a warrent. It's pretty hard to
get a
warrent without just cause.
Dutch - you were deleted by me on purpose, not cops. I just thought you
were off topic for this board.
cha cal - I think there would be many here that would benefit from your
insite and that of your friends. Just keep in mind that this is a message
board, not a chat site. I'm trying to keep the discussions focussed on
growing and less on socializing.
OT - I agree that getting weedbase or a duplicate up and running would
be
huge bonus for the community. Unfortuantely, it won't be happening here.
Maybe RC or someone else could help out here?
Spanky - laughing moon, cannabis.com, or Emery's new site would
probably be a better place for your question.
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:26:23 4/22/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Budm I think it was in an emey to you not a post, The right amount of growth
in veg relates very closely to the maximum potential yield from a given
grow
space. The grower I mentioned ran the veg for a few days to long and
consequentially the plants went too high and the canopy much to dense.
This reduced the yield by about 30% and some of the lower buds were a
little looser than was desirable. Getting the veg period right is one of
the
most difficult things to get right for beginners, the number of days varies
depending on the time of year as well, with the changing max min temps.
One thing we came up with recently was that the maximum yields were
produced from clones that had sufficient time to root thoroughly through
the
soil in the final pot to the point of making a fine net of feeder roots
on the
surface of the root ball before putting on to 12/12 hrs.
I hope this helps a bit Budm, I hope i don't owe you any mail I've been
ill
again and have lost track a bit.
cha cal I for one would appreciate hearing about your developing scrog
system and come to that any further developments with scuffing.
All the best Ot1
TOPIC - Ganja
DATE - 11:12:01 4/22/99
FROM - Mota
Ganja,
Go to The Amsterdam and talk with Karen and Sita.
PAZ
TOPIC - thanks pi
DATE - 09:05:04 4/22/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all,
thanks for the input pi,af is going to let the girl go a whole longer,
thinking
about 30-32" in hopes of filling up the pot more, because in the first
cycle
with Rom, the net was 2ozs per girl in 2gal pots, trying to have one take
the
place of two. Will keep tall posted as results happen.
Its easy allready to determine that KM is going to have a unique
bouquet/taste, its a very diffrent smell at 3 weeks then, anything else.
OT1 or Vic or any one, One thing that continues to reverberate in my head
is
the post that OT1 put up a month or so ago, about a friend who let his
clones veg a bit to long, and subsequently lost about 30% of the usual
yield. Im trying to understand this, do you think because they work with
such
a small rootball/pot, that was the reason?Or the canopy was over-crowded,
and that in some way caused it.Its kind of a tricky matter to time things
correctly, using a prepetual flower closet, the timing of replacing a
harvested lady, and the balancing act of elevating the shorter new girls
on
cardboard boxes and old books, untill they streach out, can be a real
juggling act.So its impossiable to get a canopy calculated, it just seems
to
be a a objective of replacing the right Veg into the proper "hole" in the
12/12
closet, but im learning;-)
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:32:06 4/22/99
FROM - Vic High
ganja - I'll respond later if no else has. Gotta head to work. Take care
TOPIC - seeds
DATE - 21:31:43 4/21/99
FROM - ganja
hey there fellow farmers: i'm taking a trip to bc and would like to know
of
the best place to get some seeds, and mabye a trick or two about bringing
them home to the usa.
TOPIC - rom
DATE - 21:04:21 4/21/99
FROM - pi
my personal experience with 5 gal buckets.
flowering at about 26-28" and a finished height of 34-38" nets me about
2oz of cured bud per plant. i have downsized the pot size because the
rootball does not even use 1/3 the 5 gal bucket. my point is that i would
think you could flower at 4'-5' of plant height and still be ok pot wise
using a
5 gal bucket. i would think the controlling factor would be the max lamp
hght and space.
TOPIC - Ganjamel
DATE - 17:04:07 4/21/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all
Ganjamel click on my handle and you will see a email addy you can write
me at.
Vic or any one with similer exp, what hight would you flower a Rom in a
5galpot, it was placed from a 2gal pot at about 12" tall and its in the
5gal
now a/b two weeks and its about 20" af is thinking about 24", sound about
right? trying to do more with less, shooting for a lady that will yield
4-5zs.TIA Vic do the Roms in 10gal pots yield near 10ozs?
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 15:09:31 4/21/99
FROM - trelaway
JA-Heaven's Stairway treated me well
queen-www.cannabis.com is a good place to start, the message board
system there is good for newbie info.
TOPIC - Budm?
DATE - 12:55:47 4/21/99
FROM - Ganjahmel
Budm, Do you have email addy that I can reach you at. Cool Runnings.
TOPIC - F2's
DATE - 09:15:38 4/21/99
FROM - Eric
Budm
your correct about f2's as in the choosing of a mother....I had a very
nice
satavia/indica cross made from a friends thai and it was crossed with an
indica from another friend from california. The strain was good but It
wasnt
very drought resistant, the plants couldnt go long enough without water
so
we made an f2' cross (I am just now understanding the terminology and
what it was that the guy was teaching me) over the next summer that was
all that the three of us grew..from over 100 seedlings we chosethe most
drought resistant and most potent. We got the perfect plant for what we
were looking for BUT...I remmeber that w3as the hardest freakin crop..there
were plants 8 feet tall..some 3 feet tall and everything inbetween..actually
it
wasnt all that bad because basically they were all the same the main
differences were yeild as you could clearly see just by looking at them
that
some would yeild twice as much as others.
You will see plants with traits from all the heratiges of the plants you
crossed. If you have the room I would say do them If you liked the parents....
If you are going to be looking for the most potent just get ready to smoke
alot of LEAVES...HAHAHAH
TOPIC - Kali Mist
DATE - 08:41:34 4/21/99
FROM - Subcool
I picked up Kali Mist from Serious seeds in Amsterdam in 1997 and have
nothing but good things to say it placed 3rd in an informal judging by
growers and is a very good producer it has a fruity and lemony smell that
borders on funky when almost ripe.
It does well in hydro or soil and seems to trive on organics ferts.
Sub
TOPIC -
DATE - 18:17:31 4/20/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all,
Excuse the amatureness of the observation, but afoaf made a few F2s of
Peak19, so in doing some reading about the F2 generation, it seems to
that they will be various expressions of Matanuska Tundra & Stonehedge,
these are Indica and a Sat dominated parents, will the F2 include any
homoginezed offspring?, or will they fall to either side of each parrent?
The
book I read says that the F2 generation is where experienced cultivators
pick Moms, this would be if the F1 generation was not too a persons
likeing? Or because due to the large variety/variablity of choices, that
ones
personel taste can be found? Anybody grown a bunch of F2s out, and found
a Mom they liked better then from the F1s? Sorry to be spouting off, just
trying to get a picture of the quality of offspring copmpared to the F1
parents...
Peace
TOPIC - Kali mist
DATE - 14:08:37 4/20/99
FROM - Shaun Cavanagh
Can some one tell me about it
TOPIC - Kali Mist
DATE - 10:21:52 4/20/99
FROM - greenbear
I got to smoke some KM bud this week( sent to a friend from a friend) The
taste is every thing
they say -floral,spicywith a funky stank that I've only tasted in types
that
come from the land of
Aloha.BUT I would only rate the high at 7-7.5 AND it took 14 WEEKS to
finish!!
TOPIC - stuff
DATE - 10:10:52 4/20/99
FROM - Eric
SHARE CROPPER
Well i have never done the kali mist but i have heard great stuff about
it so
far...someone here has been posting about it though
Marc emery swears by the hawiian that is bred by the federation seed
company that he carries..you should try it for the hawiian. Let me know
how
it turns out because from the description of it it is close to the hawiian
that i
have .
the one i have is said to get 5 feet tall..it is very compact and it smells
just
like lemons..like a big bowl of lemon peels. It so far is very uniform
and
vigorous..out of 7 we got 4 females..seeds will be made and before
summers end i should know if it breeds true.
jazz fest is the greatest in new orleans...this is my favorite city to
visit.
TOPIC - Handle and Mr.Eric
DATE - 08:57:37 4/20/99
FROM - ShareCropper
Vic,
Have been away for a while and noticed a reference to my handle. If
someone has been using itÖ.normally I just read and lurk. If I can post
something of value then I try. Been in and out of this hobby since mid
70's
so I know what Eric was referring to about those 20+ footers. Indoor now
with the occasional outsider, GPS sure does make finding those small
plots easier to find.
Eric,
I am looking for the indoor Holy Sativia with that nice crystalline view
so
please keep me posted on the Kali!! Also, did I see reference to the BC
Hawaiian? Mississippi huh! Jazz fest this Weekend and next in NO (New
Orleans for the rest). Great Party, don't miss if you have the time.
Vic, Sorry for the off post!!
TOPIC - no-damp
DATE - 07:32:47 4/20/99
FROM - Vic High
Mojo - as a rule I tend to grow from a farmer's perspective and not a pot
growers. I buy the bulk of my supplies at agricultural outlets, not hydroponic
stores. Pot growers are the not the only gardeners :) No-damp can be
found in pretty much any nursery or gardening shop in these parts. Any
department store selling gardening supplies will sell it. It or an equivelant
should be easy to find in your parts. Just go to a nursery and ask the
sales
person for a fungicide that will stop your seeds and seedlings from rotting.
It's just that easy :)
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:04:41 4/20/99
FROM - test
123
TOPIC - No-Damp
DATE - 15:42:14 4/19/99
FROM - MOJO
Vic,
thanks again for the insight. Where might I acquire No-Damp and by
purhasing it will it send up a red flag? Should I germinate in jiffy cubes
or
will conventional potting soil suffice. Should my orders arrive I'm not
going
to have a lot to work with so consequently I want to maximize my success
rate. You sound very insightful...give me some stellar advise on the best
germination methods, keeping in mind that I will subsequently transplant
to
the outdoors in the tobacco belt of Kentucky.
Respectfully,
MOJO
TOPIC -
DATE - 23:33:51 4/18/99
FROM - Vic High
well this isn't the pic that I wanted to load but it's a good one as well.
This is
the UBC1 clone. Notice how the leaf edges seem to curl up a bit showing
a
silvery-white lower surface?
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:48:18 4/18/99
FROM - trelaway
Hey Jlav, you should be getting in the one-three pound range, depending
on strain. Go to this page's host (link above to BCGA) and read thru the
entire soil section.
Also, are you doing some pot plant basics like letting the soil dry out
between waterings and checking ph? Drainage is kinda crucial but easily
remedied with perilite and sand.
Do you mean two weeks veg from seed? If so, they need about six weeks
@ 24 hours or 8 @ 18 hrs of lite as a minimum.
TOPIC - were's the safest place to grow it ?
DATE - 12:37:10 4/18/99
FROM - Brian Hammond
I got a plant in New albany, Indiana
and it's about a foot tall it's getting
really tall it's skunk to it really reaks.
were's a perfect spot to grow it . please
help me give me some advice .
Thank you
TOPIC - problems
DATE - 11:48:51 4/18/99
FROM - j lav
I'VE TRIED 6 DIFFERENT GARDENS SO far and still only able to produce
6/oz's per 1000/watt .lot's of fresh air and exsaust ,3 gllon buckets ,hydro
food,2 week veg . 7x9 area.Drainage not so good,getting kind of green
sludge on sides of buckets.useing 35 to40 plants under 2 lights.
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:14:35 4/18/99
FROM - Vic High
Mojo -damping off is a fungal condition (Gray mold = Botrytus cinerea in
these parts) that attacks young seedlings. It's cause by damp conditions
and a lack of airflow. No-Damp is a fungicide common in these parts and
is used to prevent damping-off. Active ingredients is Oxine Benzoate 2.5%.
I
get optimum success by planting in dirt as nature intended :)
TOPIC -
DATE - 18:57:43 4/17/99
FROM - trelaway
Yeah cap'n it's what I do......thought you were doing something different.
TOPIC - Outdoor Crop
DATE - 14:46:13 4/17/99
FROM - MOJO
Vic,
Appreciate the brief response to my 04/10 post regarding the outdoor
venture. You don't recommend the domes for germination and you do
recommend no-damp. Can you elaborate on "no-damp" not familiar with it.
Please give specifics on germination for optimal success!
Thanks, take care!
MOJO
TOPIC - Trelaway
DATE - 12:07:24 4/17/99
FROM - Capn Chronic
Didnt you say take the dome off after 3 days? then on for a day, off for
a day,
so on. Well thats what I'm gonna do.
Man its real humid in there. Water condesating on the plants. They still
look
good. The leaves are still kinda curling under.
TOPIC - Budm / Greenbear
DATE - 11:25:10 4/17/99
FROM - pi
Budm>>> from what i remember the KM is very very tastey and a fav of
many. i have a few nugs from my grow i harvested 3 weeks ago.
unfortunately, EVERYTHING i grow takes at least 2 months to cure before
the full flavor, taste, and high is present. the nugs have minimal taste
at this
time.
if anyone has any suggestions on reducing this time, via a change in my
grow tech or my curing method ... i am all ears. my current belief is that
one
smokes no pot before its time OR... many growers miss out on fine strains,
cull killer plants and bitch and moan about fake seeds when the real culprit
can be seen in the mirror hehehe. i had bubbleberry plants that had very
little taste/smell after drying. many would have culled these plants. After
at
least a 2 month cure the taste and smell is blueberry sweet yehaw.
hell, they cure fine tobaco and wine needs to sit tooo before it is consumed.
any comments?
Greenbear>>> wanna split a quart of avid? btw,i saw a-1's post but can't
reply at laughing moon sites due to a glitch. i dl'd ie5 and am unable
to
post at present. tell him i may have a list of members somewhere. i am
looking for it.
TOPIC - Late clones
DATE - 11:20:45 4/17/99
FROM - edhassle
Hey budm,what you friends plant is experiencing is normal rejuvenation
process.The new growth you see looks a little strange,most have one
blade and the leaf margins may not be serrated.This is because the plant
reverts back to juvenille growth and the size and the number of the blades
increase with time.Afof has a niagra female that was harvested over a
month ago and has been under 18/6 for 30 days and are just now showing
new growth... one blade leaf growth.He's worried if he can get enough new
growth to make some clones to put outdoors before summer.hehe!
TOPIC - Late Clones
DATE - 09:04:36 4/17/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
afoaf has some clones from a SuperCrystal, that were taken at week 4 of
12/12, they rooted fine, and are putting on lots of new growth, but the
leaves
look nothing like before, they resemble what Ive read to be 'Hops" leaves,
smooth, oblong, no serations. My question is how long does last? Has
anyone had a clone not return to regular pheno-growth?
TIA
Peace
TOPIC - just started germination
DATE - 03:32:38 4/17/99
FROM - mota20
I just put 80 eggs in the dirt today and will be waiting with bated breath
to
see what come up. I bought 8 diff. strains from M.E. big bud, romulan ,
nl x
bubbleberry, big mac, romulan x nl/haze , joker mix, nl x big bud, and
kgb x
the black. I think the next 4 months will be very interesting, If anyone
can
give me any tips about these strains i thank you in advance. I am not an
expert but have grown a few times in the past with the help of mels. and
eds. books, so understand the basics. peace and fire one up for the
weekend. mota20
TOPIC
-
DATE -
01:58:04 4/17/99
FROM -
oldtimer1
I posted
below on the 14 th of March
The spider
mite season is coming.
A point
of interest on predators as far as spider mites and their population
dynamics
are concerned, don't bother with phytoseiulus persimilis for growing
cannabis
indoors. We know phytoseiulus just dont work below 14 hrs of light a
day. So
even when the mum area has a resident population of the predators, that
the clones
that come from them will still have a few 2 spot mites on them along
with a
few predators. Once these clones are put on to a 12/12 hr flowering, the
predators
go into diapause [go dormant ] and the mites have the urge to multiply
like anything
to prepare for the coming winter. Over one grow there will be
several
million mites in the grow area probably not enough to web the plants and
only cause
moderate damage to the plants [a little mottling of the leaves]. Most of
the mites
will be removed with the plants but several thousands will be left
hibernating
on the walls ceiling and floor. As soon as a new crop is put into the
grow room
the mites are right on to the crop especially if it is given a period of
veg first,
there will be webbing within a few weeks usually as the colas are
starting
to fill out. This is the point when a lot of growers come to pages like
this
asking
for help. There is nothing that can cure the problem at this stage and
putting
more predators in is a complete waste of time and money. The best bet
is to
pressure spray with with clean water every day this knocks a lot of mites
off,
and to
try and keep the humidity up. All this does is to slow the mites down a
bit
until
the crop can be harvested. Once this is done the mites should be
completely
eradicated from the entire indoor mum, clone and grow area to stop
the above
becoming a cyclic problem. `There is no organic compound that can
do this
at this point of time.' So I'm afraid that a quick course of chemicals
are
needed!!
Once all your growing areas are clean keep them that way!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
17/4/99
I have
had battles with the borg for over 40 years so a few more observations
that
may be
of interest.
Firstly
you need to understand the enemy and understand how adaptable it is. In
the UK
it often has adapted to living in polytunnels and glasshouses and in the
outdoors.
The infested polytunnel mites are quite happy with RH at 90%+ even
when the
temperature is in the high 80's so believe me it adapts to high humidity
rapidly.
With the addition of a predator mix under glass/plastic and outdoors the
mite problem
disappears and a balanced environment develops. The reason
this works
is the natural daylight changes. Unfortunately this just doesn't work
indoors,
for puff growers the grow period is short and the predator population
doesn't
have much chance to reach the millions. The sudden change to 12/12
hrs shocks
the two spot to start to go into diapause and they breed like the
clappers
also their fat body changes so they become distasteful to the predators,
in fact
so much so, that they will starve or eat one another rather than eat a
mite.
Don't
waste your money putting predators in the indoor grow room.
I hope
this helps a little.
All the
best Ot1.
TOPIC - Re: Borg
DATE - 22:48:12 4/16/99
FROM - Ananda
The Californicus predator mites love high humidity and the two-spotted
spider mites hate high humidity. The combination of high humidity and
californicus predators creates the proper environment for the predators
to
eradicate or control the two-spots. The purpose of the water wash is two
use a strong enough spray to knock them off of the underside of the leaves
and run them down the drain, not to kill or drown them. If the population
is
already very high the predators won't help fast enough to save your crop.
So
you knock them off with a water spray before you turn your predators loose.
I make little foil baskets and tie them to the stems of each plant about
midway. Each basket has some mites in it and the crawl out and start
eating the two-spots right away. Try watching with a jewelers loop! Great
satisfaction to watch the "mite carnage"! Ha-Ha!!!
TOPIC - Super soil mix
DATE - 20:49:26 4/16/99
FROM - Dutch
Vic High
When I tried to acess the super soil mix page I get a message telling me
the page can't be accesses. Will you be so kind to either give the receipe
or
direct me to an "active" page. Thanks!
P.S. How or when can I get my hands on the G13 strain?
TOPIC -
DATE - 19:47:15 4/16/99
FROM - trelaway
Cap'n--Everything's fine tho I have a different opinion on how long the
dome
should stay on. I took some blueberry clones at week four and new green
growth just started, two weeks later.
TOPIC - pi / etc.
DATE - 18:02:49 4/16/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
pi- How is the taste on the KM? They are a nice looking plant, a bit of
varation, 3 ladies are in flower 2 weeks, two are together in a 6gal pot,
they
both look more sat influenced, one is almost 5' the other is about 4'.
The
third is in a 2gal pot, and leans more towards Indica. I have poor eyesight,
but I think I see some lavender? in some of the pistills, pretty plants.
Vic- The Washingtons are the most vigerous of the lot.
Have a nice weekend everyone;-)))
peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 17:49:13 4/16/99
FROM - greenbear
High pi!! I've only used the neem oil ( I found out that the people of
India
have been using
neem seeds for human birth control AND as a pesticide!!!) , I'd like to
get
Avid but 3 bills a quart
is a bit steep!
I stop using sprays when I put the babes into flower,so I'm trying the
predators(also some
people that may be smoking the bud have med problems,no pesticides or
mold can be on the
bud).
The Biotactics addy is be
Link: Biotactics
TOPIC - Cloning
DATE - 17:32:04 4/16/99
FROM - Capn Chronic
Ok I took 10 clones from the 4 Romberry females. I soaked some "grodan"
rockwool cubes that a friend gave me. Took the clones and put them in the
humidity dome. The dome wasnt tall enough so I had to soak some more
cubes and recut the clones. Put the clones under a shoplight thats on 24/7.
The clones look pretty good with minimal curling of the leaves. I put a
electric blanket under them and its real steamy in there. Moisture all
over
the dome. Is this good? I only soaked the cubes for like 10 minutes but
they looked and felt completly soaked. There is a little watter in the
bottom
of the humidity dome. Does this sound good? Anything I should watch for?
How long is it usually before i will see roots? considering they were 2
weeks into flowering.
Thanks
TOPIC - borg
DATE - 16:11:56 4/16/99
FROM - pi
try Green Light Fruit and Vegetable spray which has neem oil. there is
a
product by same co called Rose Defense that costs more but lists the
same ingredients. i went with the 1st because of price and because of its
listed usage on edibles just prior to harvest. kicked ass for me.
i have an place to buy Avid but it is expensive @ $300 per quart. i think
the
trick is to alternate a wide variety of sprays approx every 3 days ...
religiously
(wish i was religious rather than just a stoner) until they are gone.
ot1 knows a good bit and Vic's home page has much.
i have seen borg swimming in water and i have tried keeping the room over
80% humidity with NO sucess.
TOPIC - "Borg" killers...
DATE - 15:12:59 4/16/99
FROM - greenbear
I just sent off an overnight order to Biotactics for 1000 Californicus
and
1000
M.Longipes(spell.?) . $12 per 1000 plus $9 per. for urgent overnight
shipping(inside Cal.).
I'll report how Biotactics and and their products do...
TOPIC - mites
DATE - 14:48:19 4/16/99
FROM - Mota
Thanks for the help Ananda and flwr smkr. I'll give your suggestions a
try.
PAZ
TOPIC - Re: Those little mite bastard - Organic Control
DATE - 14:16:16 4/16/99
FROM - Ananda
First of all you must control temperature and humidity. Low humidity makes
the mites entire life cycle run faster. Exhaust must be removed from the
top
of the room only. Temperature below 75*F, humidity above 60% is what you
need. If the infestation is already heavy, and you don't want to trash
the
plants, set them in a sink or bathtub and try to wash the mites off with
a
stream of water from underneath. Soap is OK as long as it doesn't get on
anything you're going to smoke because it tastes awful!
Organic pesticides such as pyrethrums are a disaster. The kill ratios are
very low and they wipe out any natural predators that may be present. Then
the remaining mite population is resistant to the pesticide and has no
natural enimies either. The result is a pesticide resistant population
explosion. This is why they are nicknamed "the borg".
Once the infestation is beaten down, an application of predatory mites
at
regular intervals can control and may eradicate two-spotted spider mites.
I
recommend Biotactics Benemite in California. They mail mites at low
prices and guarantee live delivery. I do recommend paying extra for the
faster delivery. There are several different predator mites to choose from.
You need to look at the specs for each kind and pick the one that will
do
best in your garden environment.
Link:
TOPIC - mota--mites=borg
DATE - 12:18:56 4/16/99
FROM - flwr smkr
i hate those f@^*^rs
the soap works,but i don't use it during flowering
because depending on the strain it tends to turn the pistils
the finished color so if you don't know your flower time
you end up harvesting to early.otherwise new flowers do
appear after the soap(pyrethiums)(wheres my spell checker)
has damaged the ones it touched.
personally i've gotten in the habit of spraying once every two weeks during
veg or on my keeper mamas,then you should not have to spray during
flowering and you don't see many
until the very end of flowering.squish those few.then pour gasoline on
them,then burn them ,then...oh well you get the picture,i hate those things.
TOPIC - Those little mite bastards
DATE - 10:38:13 4/16/99
FROM - Mota
Spotted them last week, heard a product named Avid works? I would prefer
to use something organic, will Safer's insecticide soap work? The mites
are on my mother plants, any suggestions?
PAZ
TOPIC - Ananda
DATE - 10:06:05 4/16/99
FROM - Capn Chronic
I thought you said your grow area was only 4 feet high?
Did you mean meters?
You guys see that shit over at weedbase? Man that place is going to shit
when I get impersonated. I never even go there.
TOPIC - Anaconda
DATE - 20:09:36 4/15/99
FROM - pi
maybe it is time to flower that badboy.
3 years of veg should be plenty! heh }
TOPIC - Clarification
DATE - 16:39:15 4/15/99
FROM - Ananda
I, Ananda, am a ghost writer for the actual grower. He relays the info
to me,
I relay to you, then get back to him. He is computer illiterate but has
a green
thumb for sure! Maybe this is why I sound stupid sometimes. Plus I try
to
be brief and sometimes leave out pertinant info. Oh well. I would still
like to
share his knowledge with you and your knowledge with him. Last post for
today. Hope to hear from others for awhile.
TOPIC - Height of plant without pots.....training....
DATE - 16:21:58 4/15/99
FROM - Ananda
My maximum possible plant height is 3-3.5ft not including pot. This is
without bending or training to a cage or stakes. The plant I've been growing
for years gets taller and I bend the tops down. I have an idea for spiral
training to a reverse cone shape wire cage over each plant. Should make
upside down bud cones. We'll see ........
Ananda
TOPIC - F1, F2 and cubing and other stuff
DATE - 16:02:38 4/15/99
FROM - Ananda
I do understand about genectics. I just misunderstood about the
Washington and Romulan/Strawberry Blonde. I thought they were "strains",
not surprises. I talked to my friend today and got that info straight.
Well, I
love surprises as long as they are good surprises!!! I have never really
been concentrating on breeding seeds. All these years I have tried to get
seeds from any really great smoke I could and then have selected the most
perfect offspring and cloned it forever.
I read about the Blueberry yeild info and it sounds really good. I'm intrigued
by the 109% increase in yeild obtained by topping when the plants were
22"
high, cutting back to 12" high, vegging 2 more weeks then flowering at
about 20". What is the reason for waiting until its 22" then cutting back
to
12"? Would it work just as well to top when it was just over 12" and
continuing to veg until it got to 20" then flowering? I suppose you used
the
tops for cuttings, eh?
I'm enthused that the internet age has made it possible for people outside
of my country to provide me with good seeds to select my new moms from.
Here in the USA we are not free to discuss what we do with anyone for fear
of possible consequences. It is liberating to finally have an "anonymous"
outlet for the knowledge we have all collected throughout our lives.
I would appreciate any info from those growing Northern Lights as I have
never grown it before and am currently about to start flowering 11 seedlings
that are around 12" tall now. Should I top it first? I was expecting short
and
bushy with quite a bit of side growth, but so far, there is very little
side
growth developed. They were planted on March 7 and seeds were from
Ubino.
Peace,
Ananda
TOPIC - Eric
DATE - 10:09:06 4/15/99
FROM - Budm
Sorry for the 2x post.
Eric can you e-mail me when you have the time please. Thanks;-)
TOPIC - Ananda
DATE - 09:46:44 4/15/99
FROM - Vic High
Well Ananda I will need to ask you a couple questions then, please email
me at bcga@mailcity.com I appreciate your patience.
I have deleted all the recent non-grow posts to try and keep the subject
on
topic. Please don't be offended, I got the messages so they served their
purpose.
Ananda - your question tells me that you, and many others, truly don't
understand what the suprises are about. They are not strains! These are
just random crosses with select clones. Unless you grow out 20 plus
seeds of each, there is a good chance you won't find any patterns within
each batch of suprises. I thought the webpage was clear. How can I make
it more clear that growing these is a crap shoot if you are looking for
a
specific phenotype? I left a very detailed explaination of the differences
between an F1 and F2 at cannabis.com's breeding page and then have
been very clear that the suprises will grow out as F2s.
TOPIC - KGB/etc
DATE - 09:42:20 4/15/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all,
KGB- Im still a real novice at ICQ, I only have had one sucessuful
chat(thanks Vic). I sent you a request for auth, Ill do it again. The "PR"
stands for Panama Red. Hopefully we will connect (ICQ) soon.
m.g. The PR is not NCGA,its Pan Red that was sent direct from Panama
(postmarked authentic), but the seeds had a bad viability 20% germ rate,
and one other reciepient had none germ, af is hoping for 1 male 1 female,
as to be able to continue the strain. If only 1 gender turns up, af will
have to
do a cross, wiyh another sativa, (KaliMistm Mexican etc)
Some germ rates
Wash-- 3/4
RSB --- 3/3
P.75--- 1/3 ;-(
Take care all.
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:56:06 4/15/99
FROM - Capn_Chronic
Ananda,
You have to factor in the heighth of the pot too. Say about 12 inches.
so the
plant really can only be 1 1/2 to 2 feet tall.
TOPIC - I'm getting some BCGA seeds.....
DATE - 00:40:08 4/15/99
FROM - Ananda
I'm looking forward to getting some Romulan Surprise, Washington, and
Romulan/Strawberry Blonde seeds from you via a good friend. Which of
these will be the best variety for a maximum 3.5 ft. high spaceunder the
lights. I'm hoping to improve on the average of 1 ounce per plant that
I'm
getting now from an "unknown origin" sativa/indica that I've cloned for
the
last 5 years without sacrificing the quality high. It is very potent but
not very
high yielding. Which of the BCGA varities above will come closest to
meeting these secifications in your opinon?