This is the archives from the BC Growers Message Board
TOPIC - Avid
DATE - 07:04:54 9/02/99
FROM - Lurkin
Vic, in my search for a source for avid I found a paper written by someone
from the Seattle rose society who said the
avid was only deadly to the bees for the first 24 hrs.
I'm guessing it's while the plant is still wet from the application of
it. The link below is in No. Carolina and they'll mail 2
oz. for about $17 plus postage. Seem like real nice folks. Geez, it's too
bad all ye mites are gone and ya can't
'sperment more..hehe. I guess ya'll just have to keep that pix above on
yer frig so ya don't get lonesome.
Link: Avid
TOPIC - Anyone know this guy!!!
DATE - 18:17:36 8/31/99
FROM - Kyle
A friend of mine bought seeds from a guy on the east coast of Canada about
one year ago. My friend says the strain is
Durban. Although he paid over one hundred dollars for the seeds my friend
has got the most beautiful uniform plants I
have ever seen. Can anyone tell me how to get in touch with this guy and
if he has an online seedbank? Any posts will
be appreciated.
TOPIC - avid
DATE - 17:30:05 8/31/99
FROM - Vic High
Trelaway - For me the jury is still out on avid, it feels like a piece
of the puzzle is still missing. Everything I find on it, I
add to bcga's avid page. It appears to be a natural extract and also appears
to be quite safe. But it is very deadly to
honey bees. And fish I presume, but can't remeber off of the top of my
head. Other than that I can't find any reason why
it remains a black market pesticide while more toxic kelthane remains over
the counter. Personally, I would never use it
on a flowering plant. Although a systemic, it doesn't seem to move through
the plant very well. I've done tests where I
sprayed part of an infested plant and left parts unsprayed. Only the areas
sprayed were rid of mites. For this reason, I
don't think much translocates into the flower tissues as they develope.
Unfortuanately, hehe, I've wiped my mite
population so I haven't been able to confirm these movement trials.
TOPIC - dehumidifier water (Retro 13 is you out there?)
DATE - 14:29:14 8/31/99
FROM - some guy
I know I have seen this issue discussed elsewhere in the past, however,
I cannot remember the general consensus,
so...
should I or should I not use water from my dehumidifier to replenish my
reservoir.
TOPIC - trouncing
DATE - 13:08:17 8/31/99
FROM - trelaway
Are people's concerns about an avid residue put to rest? I'd always avoided
systemics because of the bad vibes I read
about regarding the residue.
Tho, recently, it seems more people are suggesting avid.
TOPIC - hey vic...
DATE - 09:40:23 8/31/99
FROM - anon
just wanted to let you know how much i appreciate what you're doing here
with the bcga board. if everybody grew killer
pot :)-~'
TOPIC -
DATE - 06:53:28 8/31/99
FROM - Vic High
youngun - take the link about to BCGA's main page. In addition to helping
with cloning, there are links there to three
great learning sites for beginners. Cannabis Edge at Overgrow, Cannabis.com,
and Emery's new site at cannabis
culture. Good luck with your learning, will probably see you at one of
those sites.
TOPIC - help?
DATE - 02:05:56 8/31/99
FROM - youngun
I am a complete newcomer, and I would like some help on choosing seeds,
I do have some friends that have some
expereance and are going to help me, so should i start out with the expensive
seeds? I don't have a place to by bag
seeds. another Q, how do you clone plants?. thanks in advance. I have just
run across this site today and it rocks. I
have learned quite a bit just sitting here reading all the postings. I
hope all you wise masters will take me in as a pupil
and share some of your growing tips. More that likely I will be growing
outside with a pretty short season and lots of
rainfall.
TOPIC - BORG!!!
DATE - 23:12:11 8/30/99
FROM - greenbear
Damn!!Vic I was waiting for a nice bud pic and up comes a bloody nightmare!
As i wait for my fight or flight response to calm down,I 'll post about
the Romberry
f2sXGreatWhiteShark hybrids that are 2.5 weeks old .My hope for this cross
is to bring in the
smell/taste of the Romberry,as the GWS lacks a killer smell/taste But GWS
has the BIGGEST
trichomes I've ever seen and big tight heavy nugs.They are showing good
vigor,dark green
and h
TOPIC -
DATE - 18:48:15 8/29/99
FROM - Vic High
Trelaway - borrowed the pic from Cannor Nurseries' local garden site, hehe.
If we ever meet, I'll give you some avid, it
trounced trounce in controlling mites in my garden, hehe
TOPIC -
DATE - 18:05:12 8/29/99
FROM - trelaway
nice pic, been trouncing today in fact.
TOPIC -
DATE - 17:07:41 8/29/99
FROM - Vic High
Here's a pic of the dreaded Borg, hehe
RoadDog - this is the first I heard that HS is out of blueberry. I'm sure
HS will make contact when they are interested
in more. I have a small handfull on hand, but won't be making any more
for some time.
ahhsome - the falling over seedlings is a normal and temp condition, not
to worry. I think deeper planting of the seeds
and placing them closer to the flos will solve the problem, but?? haven't
tried it myself. Also a small breeze over the
seedlings from the start can prevent this. Me? I don't worry about it,
I just plant the seedlings deeper when I move them
from the seedling flat to the 5" pots ;)
diane - good to hear, the fun stuff is just starting, hehe.
TOPIC - Vic when is your next delivery to Heavens Stairway
DATE - 15:01:45 8/29/99
FROM - RoadDoggyDogg
I plan on using your Blueberry in my MicroGarden Experement but HS ia out
. When do you expect to deliver another
batch of seeds ?
Also props on Romberry my friend just grew ten Romberry plants . God must
have been looking down he got 10
females from 10 seeds . He is in his 3 week of flowering under a 1000 watt
HPS light .
He offered cuttings but I want Blueberry over Romberry .
TOPIC - Cabon dioxide
DATE - 14:45:21 8/28/99
FROM - ju-ce71
Greetings all, I hope you are enjoying good health and peace
of mind. Blazer the UK mag "GRO MAG" ran a comparison of
Shirley tomatoes one with fresh air the other with 1500ppm
Carbon Dioxide, conclusion "...don't waste money on..better
spent on cider and condoms." It may be that the main use of
Carbon Dioxide for the indoor grower is to prevent heat
damage from high grow room temps. However many grow gurus(ed
rosenthal, tom flowers) insist that CO2 increases
TOPIC -
DATE - 11:55:46 8/28/99
FROM - KQ
CG, you might do what the old timers did--plant peas near branch trimmings
pushed into the ground. Peas will grow up
and entertwine with it. I would personally prefer a PVC or metal frame
outfitted with open eye hooks and have twine,
string, or fishing line strung on them. This makes it easy for cleanup
when the plants are done--just unhook all the
string and it all comes off in one piece.
TOPIC - This and That ...
DATE - 08:01:27 8/28/99
FROM - Curious George
Here's a little item that might make things easier for a lot of gardeners:
a big bottom funnel that just fits into the mouth
of a standard one-gallon milk or water jug. The Prestone company markets
it for anti-freeze and it works just fine.
Sturdy yellow plastic with an offset opening at the top fills quickly and
neatly. No more spilled fish emulsion going from
the tablespoon to the jug.
The suggestions about stem-end rot sound good, Oldtimer, but there's not
much to be done in buckets since it's the
heat that nails the roots, not lack of moisture. Watering 2X a day is too
much trouble, and can bring another whole set
of problems. Drip emmiting just isn't worth the hassle for backyard veggies.
Next year I'll be trying to find some flexible
insullation to put around the buckets.
Mostly, this is for the tomatos. The peppers don't seem to have much of
a problem. The major hassle this year is the
salad greens. They did great in the spring, but we couldn't stop a rapid
decline when the lettuce wanted to go to seed.
The only two reliable salad greens for an entire season have been Sorel,
which can go for years in the same bucket,
and Basil.
By the way, almost all my veggies are planted two or three to a bucket.
There doesn't seem to be much difference in
yield or growth to the ones planted one to a bucket.
Just lazed-out and didn't mulch the buckets at all this year ... didn't
seem to make much difference ... they still get
watered every morning, sometimes more, sometimes less, depending on the
heat ... Tomatos of all sorts, sweet
peppers, jalepenos, basil, sorel, Anaheim's, and assorted greens ... but
that's about all. Eggplant does well, but why
bother? It tastes the same as store-bought, and vine stuff like cuces and
squash aren't well suited to buckets and take
up too much room.
Anyone have suggestions on vertical growing veggies? Would sugar-snap peas grow on a regular tomato cage?
Just curious.
TOPIC - keeping plants straight
DATE - 07:14:09 8/28/99
FROM - ahhsome
myt plants have a mind of there own last time I planted the seedling grow
straight and the fallover how do I prevent this
I have two 40 watt floreseces and one metal halide
TOPIC - Danbo
DATE - 13:18:58 8/27/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Danbo ph 6 is on the button for toms, cues, sweet peppers, chilies and
aubergine 6.8 is to high. Blossom end rot is
usually caused by feeder root damage from erratic watering its a physiological
problem where the roots lose their ability
to take up calcium, its best to simply remove the damaged fruit. Put the
plants on water only no fertiliser for two weeks!
This is not organic but will give the quickest recovery, make a solution
dissolving soluble calcium nitrate at the rate of 2
ounces to the litre. Dose each plant with 1 litre of the mix rosed over
the root area, having watered the whole area
thoroughly earlier in the day. If the plants are tending to wilt a bit,
you can spray them with the same mix in the
evening. Repeat several times over the two weeks. Then you should be able
to start using your high potash feed again
make sure it has Mg in it, if not a table spoon of Epson salts per 5 litres
of water once a week, it can be mixed with
your feed.
The cues I'm not so sure about, we only get bitter here if they get pollinated.
They are very shallow rooted have you had them dry out any time? A dose
or two of calcium nitrate with Mg would do
no harm both as a drench and a spray. Once the plants show good new growth
some blood meal watered well in
should have sweet cues popping out all over.
Let us know how it goes, as an idle comment potatoes are best at ph 5.5 above 6 they get more scab.
TOPIC - Perp, funny story
DATE - 08:10:40 8/27/99
FROM - Blazer
Perp, funny You should say that. When I very 1st went indoor , I started
gobbling up every piece of indoor equipment
and the 1st. bargain I found was that Diamond emittor! Geez, I wonder why!?!LOL
I jsut had to have it after reading in all
the books etc. about using co2...The books are merely very loose suggestions
IMO. Now they collect dust like the
emittor along w/ a couple smaller bulb/ballast combo's like You mentioned
below. Oh well, they do make nice side or
filler lights for the wild gals that won't stay inline;).
Live and learning still...Blazer
TOPIC - PH problems!
DATE - 07:55:26 8/27/99
FROM - Danbo
I just found my well water ph has dropped to 6.0 . I've been having a nute
lockup in the tomatoes, cucumbers ...
My soil as well now is reading 6.0 as well. Will watering with 7.5 help
this? Any cures? All organic soil mix I
customize to 6.8 to start.
My tomatoes had end rot showing ca and mg defiencies and the cucumbers
went bitter . Must be a lockup issue? OT1
?
TOPIC - Blaz'man...Garcias....
DATE - 21:43:14 8/26/99
FROM - Perp
The info is solid,..Thanx....BUT we gotta work on your "Closing" (sales
101) skills!!!!......you'll never close a sale with a
pitch like that, Haaaaaa!
Peace,Bro
....hey, how 'bout auction style???
"DO I HEAR????.....$25 $25 ...NOW $30 $30 ...CAN I GET $40.....$40......"
TOPIC - Perp&co2
DATE - 09:48:46 8/26/99
FROM - Blazer
Perp, no such thing as a stupid Q Amigo. We have trials in 4 different
gardens w/ very similar results. All rooms are air
tight w/ proper enviro controls(a/c, timed exhaust w/ co2 emittors,the
whole 9). We just can't see the benefit at all
compared to using fresh,outdoor air. Yes all bulbs are 1K's except the
biggest test room, it has5 1K's and 5 600's. We
all were quite bummed out to see no noticable difference. Thankfully it
didn't cost alot of $ to learn this 1, just lots of
time and juggling heavy tanks! I've read/heard tails of people increasing
yield by as much as 300% w/ co2(commercial
greenhouses mainly), I say BS! I've yet to see it pay off. My 2 cents anyhoo;)
Blazer
TOPIC - Excellent results on the first try!
DATE - 07:12:21 8/26/99
FROM - diane
Thanx to everyone here and a reliable seed bank (h.s.),I am about to harvest
my first crop! I started w/four ak47 and
four cin99 in 6in pots; planted in a mixture of potting soil, verm, perl
& peat moss in 10in pots with doses of fish
emulsion from 2-8 weeks (one or two doses of 20-20-20 in between)and shultz
bloom from 8-12 weeks. I was able to
successfully clone every female after the males showed
themselves after 7-8 weeks b/4 turning the lights to 12/12.
I used flourescents from birth to 2 weeks, then a 400mh/400hps combo from
then on. Co2 & humidity was controlled
by opening the door of the room for an hour or so once a day. Important
lessons learned...grow bulbs in the
early stage make the stems too thin & lanky; use flourescents...AND
Bushy Old Growers tip to top the plants is KEY
to make your garden uniform and easier to handle.
Also, with less than a $1000 investment I no longer have
to rely on ANYONE BUT MYSELF to get awesome smoke!
Thanx again to vic & everyone here!
TOPIC - LOL!
DATE - 00:33:19 8/26/99
FROM - Chemo
420, you need to do a lot of reading and studying to at least get a clue
as to what your doing. Then buy some cheap
lights and try to grow some bag seeds. You sound like you expect someone
to teach you A to Z in a few sentences. It
ain't gonna happen like that dude. It's hella hard work and studying. If
it was easy everyone would be doing it. Good
luck.
TOPIC - Blazer..Only one stupid question???? or 2
DATE - 22:52:21 8/25/99
FROM - Perp
Was you friend runnin 1K's plus during any of the comparisons???? I DO
feel lumen/intensity is paramount to getting
real results with C02 supplementation, and lil' bulbs wont let it do its
thing...jus curious...were these chambers super
sealed and totally controlled VENT/humidity/temp wise...hate to pry, jus
investigating for my self....L8R bro
Does anyone know to what extent C02 is used commercially...this could be
a clue...corporations HATE
Flufff!!.....maybe even cops started the C02 myth in hopes of getting us
to show up @ welding supplies shops???
Haaa!!!
ph
TOPIC - need growing tips
DATE - 18:54:59 8/25/99
FROM - 420
how do you grow pot in the first place, i know you should put 18 hours
of light for the first 8 weeks, then 12 hour till it
is finished. Do i need to do anything else, to make it bud better, i heard
if you pick some of the buds it grows faster.
how do you make the plant turn female, i think i keep getting males. please
e-mail me
TOPIC - Summer of Love
DATE - 14:17:58 8/25/99
FROM - Ganjahmel
Hello folks, I am just settling down from a whirlwind summer of beaches,babes,buds,and
beer. Not to mention the
wonderful shows I experianced. But now its back to school. I
went to my outdoor retreat yesterday after not visiting it most of the
summer. Most of the plants were dead, probly due
to dehydration. But there were a few survivors.
Romulan+ Afgani> Looking good. short stout and smelly
Mexican sativa(Sensi)> 7ft+ chistmas tree look. Wonderfull underated strain,cheap
too
BG Mix> I have three of these, and all three are different, and all beatiful
in their own right.
I will post a more detailed desciption of my girls later. Only 2 males
survived and were culled.
TOPIC - respectoplate
DATE - 11:25:04 8/25/99
FROM - stonesparrow
hey yall .
haave learned a lot here.
did not mean to offeend - by posting -?s elsewhere 'bout points developed
here. (greenbean thot MJWorld like
PANGAEA, lol) -getit now bout boundries/differences and will respect them.
(catli'lslowcatchon)
Vic____verythanks for krebs posts iterated. 'Restyall-_____holysh_t!
li'lnodbow2Grasshoppa.
...stillÖ f's three Xs w/ this sweetmix and still fermenting. f thinks
he got it right now and maybe system is
contaminaated.- suggestions? humbledimtellin'ya, ss
TOPIC - CO2 and Neem oil
DATE - 11:12:17 8/25/99
FROM - Blazer
Hey Gang, after a few years now of playing w/ co2 We have decided it IS
NOT worth it. Adequate fresh air into the
room will more than be sufficient IMO and a few others. I wanted like hell
to believe it was worth it, no dice IMO so
anyone want to buy My Diamond CO2 emmitor? Goin cheap;)
Neem Oil can be a good miticide but don't follow that label if it recomends
every 2 weeks to apply. I used it and
followed the mites reproduction schedule(every 7-10 days)w/ pretty good
luck. Its totally friendly and really can't be over
done IMO, BUT I HIGHLY recomend AVID anyday. It has SOLVED My mite problems
100%. It's 270$ per qt. but that
QT will last You and everyone You know a lifetime and then some. You can
purchase AVID from a nationwide company
named Lesco. Do a search and they will give You the closest location to
You. I planned on buying it under a friends
acct. until they offered Me My own acct. for nothing w/ no pesticide liscence
or anything. Check them out.
Peace Gang, Blazer
TOPIC - Grasshoppa et. all
DATE - 10:54:14 8/25/99
FROM - Blazer
Grasshoppa, been a long time Lady! I've been on vaca so havent caught up
on posts yet. Email Me if Ya wannna, I'll
get w/ Ya Bety;)
Vic, Thanks for the msg. of missed posts. I like this spot and will frequent
it more often;)
Anyone else? I'll get w/ Ya all asap.
Keep on keeping on Friends and remember...Be good, or atleast be good at
it;)
Blazed
TOPIC - archives
DATE - 20:52:39 8/24/99
FROM - Vic High
Pi - you must be on drugs, LOL. Say where are you looking for the archives?
Check out the link above. I hadn't added
the links for june and july, but the rest of the year was there. Many of
the links within the archives are farged so it is
best to use the back button to go back to the main archive menu before
going to the next archive. Everything is
updated and accessible from there or here now. Sorry for the confusion.
I guess this goes to you too Chronic Man.
Natalia - no books for sale here, you musta got lost when linking from site to site.
Oh yeah, I found a few cut and pastes laying around on the krebs deal, here's a link
http://www.coastnet.com/~bcga/nutri-tricks.htm
Link: some clearing tricks
TOPIC - Books
DATE - 20:07:43 8/24/99
FROM - Natalia
Any opinions on the books for sale on this site? I'm a novice.
TOPIC - old bud and vic / grasshoppa
DATE - 19:46:46 8/24/99
FROM - pi
already checked vics archives. he has not arichived since 1-15-99 so he
has the tweener pages stored for a rainy day
and i beleive that is where it is.
i searched for krebs and cane.
is the cheese cake really work vic or would jay know? hehehe
TOPIC - CO2 and Archives
DATE - 17:23:44 8/24/99
FROM - Old Bud
ahhsome: You can buy a 'Greeen air' digital co2 monitor (@$1000) or pick
up a 'cartridge' style co2 measuring device
from your local grow shop (@$25 with syringe).
Grasshoppa: check with the archives (link above) or try the WB search at
overgrow.com.
TOPIC - NCGA chat & strain question
DATE - 17:20:42 8/24/99
FROM - Sticky Fingers
Has anybody grown Skunk T by NCGA? A friend has passed some beans to me,
and would like to know its bacground
and characteristics. Sorry to post about NCGA here, but I cant access NCGAs
chat room.
NCGA, if you are around, please give me some info.
TOPIC - C02
DATE - 13:47:01 8/24/99
FROM - ahhsome
How do I measure the amount of c02 in my garden????
TOPIC - Krebs Method for Hydroponics
DATE - 10:49:27 8/24/99
FROM - Grasshoppa
Hey Vic!
I am a mere grasshoppa to my mentors: Sub, Pi, Danbo, Blaze, DC, LaBud,
and Skoosh. (Thanks guys! You are great
and extremely patient :) )
I was wondering if you could put Blaze's post back up regarding his way
of using the Krebs Method in his hydroponic
set up.
Thanks!
La Grasshoppa
TOPIC - irish
DATE - 10:14:52 8/24/99
FROM - sb
Irish
I'll send that pic along shortly...keep forgetting to pick up batteries
for the cam
TOPIC -
DATE - 20:27:41 8/23/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey frank, any suprises that were sativa dominant are most likely fathered
by the peruvian sativa. It was a dead end
grow because it wasn't mine to breed. It's contribution to the suprises
was a screwup on my part. Indoors, at my low
lights, I gave up somewhere between 90 and 120 days, haha.
Auggie Iventry - are you talking whiteflies? I know they are common pests
in the greenhouses, but have never heard of
them being a problem in the indoor growroom. If you are an organic fan,
predators are common control measures for
them in the greenhouse. If not, there are many degrees of chemicals that
should take care of them. I'm suprised the
neem didn't work, you spraying the undersides of the leaves?
dUK - planting lamps? would those lamps that miners strap to their helmets
work? You could strap them to your head
for those midnight outdoor planting trips, haha.
greensleaves - yes that is inappropriate here. Cannabis com's seedbanks
page would be a better choice. There is a
link to them and a couple other forums on BCGA's main page, link is above
under the photo.
Psycho - hey what's wrong with Gallo? LOL Your definately right, taste
is definately individual. I still remeber in early
highschool genetics when the teacher passed little pieces of paper around
the class (no not acid) and asked us to
taste them. It was bitter to some and others could taste nothing. Genetics......
TOPIC - Vic... about chemical tastes...
DATE - 18:14:33 8/23/99
FROM - Psycho
About the chemical taste in hydro herb...
So Vic, what you are basically saying is that some people like me think
they are drinking Don Perignon, when they
purchase Gallo by the gallon?
Just kidding... like I said, personal preferences reign supreme. Maybe
I do not notice because I smoked tex mex for
the first ten years I smoked. Yeah, there was the Hawaiian, red thai, some
great Californian, etc... back in the late
80's, and some other niceties, but nothing compares to fresh bud you grow
your self. Nothing. I can clip young leaves
from my growing shoots that put any commercial herb to shame.
TOPIC - KQ
DATE - 10:28:30 8/23/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Got it will get back to you later this week!
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:11:39 8/23/99
FROM - KQ
Hey OT1, I'm wundering if you ever got my email that described the fruits
on my property?? I can resend if you never
got it.
TOPIC - seeds
DATE - 07:54:07 8/23/99
FROM - greensleaves
I just found this board lately. I've grown off and on for a few years but
the quality isn't what I've experienced with other
folks. I'd like to acquire some good seeds. I've found banks and even some
ratings on banks but how do I get them.
How closely are seeds monitored. Will I end up in deep shit by ordering
them. If yes then how. Please help. Desperate
for good seeds. If you can't tell me here, then tell me where I can find
out. I saw one person asked a question and was
told it was inapropriate. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
TOPIC - ?
DATE - 09:52:38 8/22/99
FROM - dUk
please , would anybody tell me , where can i order some planting lamps
, thanx
TOPIC - RS, PS, RSB
DATE - 07:26:40 8/22/99
FROM - frank
hey Vic.
I have a small sampling of surprises at about 65 days. The plants all look
awesome. I'm wondering what you ended up
doing with the peruvian. I have four monsters 1 RS, 1 RSB and two peruvians
under a 400w hps and the buds just keep
coming and coming. The RSB is ready but I figured I 'll let her bulk up
as I don't need the space just yet. The RS (is it
romberry?) is about 10% and looks like it needs another week or more. The
peruvian is looking great but nothing has
turned, like you said she keeps going going going. I just harvested a few
other sativas and found I could get the rest of
the pistels to turn by putting them outside for a couple of days. I don't
see much out there on the PS any thoughts on
speeding her up. Shes got two weeks left which will put her at 90 days,
did you let yours go that long? My RSB is
definitely sativa dominant, is it possible the peruvian was the pollen
donor? I've got somepics I hope I can get up
somewhere. Thanks again Vic
TOPIC - neem oil....whitefly pests?
DATE - 06:59:21 8/22/99
FROM - Auggie Iventry
howdy all,im just wondering if anyone has any experience with small little
whitefly type pests in their grow.my friends
been having problems with them in his ebb and flow hydro grow.he has been
using neem oil in a mix with water and
foliar spray according to the directions,i think like 3 times a week for
the last 2 weeks.it seems to knock out most but
then they come back.neem isnt a systemic is it?anyone got a better cure
that works?my friend would appreciate if you
shared it with us all.by the way whether anyone answers my questions or
not this place is excellent.
thanks
TOPIC - Just hangin around
DATE - 23:52:46 8/21/99
FROM - Vic High
Chronic Man, feeling better today? LMAO. Info is there if you want to look
for it. I've posted on that topic more than
once. Or do you want someone to hold your hand, haha. Seriously, chill
dude and don't take things so personally,
haha. Plants will grow in many mediums, you just need to adapt to each.
#4 will drain faster than #1 or 2, so
compensate for it. It's just that easy.
PS - I remeber you ignoring my questions at laughing moon, so what's up with the double standard?
Psycho - you brought a chuckle on a few points, hehe. You pH comment caught
my attention. I've noticed that hydro
growers need to be more concerned about pH than soil growers so didn't
understand your point there. Just add
dolomite lime to the soil mix, and no need to be concerned about water
pH. On the organic vs chem flavour debate. I've
noticed that those that smoke both can't always tell the two apart if the
chem was cleared nicely. However, those such
as myself that rarely smoke chem weed can spot the difference a mile away.
It leaves a chem sensation on the lips
and tongue :) It's like a non smoker being able to smell if a car was owned
by a smoker or not, while the smoker
wouldn't be able to tell. Just my non-statistically significant observations,
:)
TOPIC - Sorry Hitman, link sux!
DATE - 21:55:03 8/21/99
FROM - perp
http://www.overgrow.com...try that.......forgot about these old "scripts"
Ha!!!
Link: Try this....
TOPIC - ckronic/hitman...Budm
DATE - 21:47:34 8/21/99
FROM - perp
Ckronic...sunshine 1 or 2, who knows??? Go
to an info site like overgrow.com, how did
you find this small board of tranquility?
.....and alot of good info comes from Cali, Haaaa! Why don't ya ask US
guys? Please
don't dis our neighbours who spell funny.
Hitman...Security 101..never put your
E-mail address UP on the internet for
153,000,000 people to view...make
sense?...and thats prolly the same amount
of Generations a mom can go before
noticable drift..give or take a few, if you notice drift, jus raise up
a clone for a
new mom.
Budm....are we s'pose to be sendin' these
"donations" to HS???...could ya bring us up to speed on this? Thanks for
your efforts!
Perp~
Link: Link for Hitman....
TOPIC - Hey Budm
DATE - 20:06:36 8/21/99
FROM - Naughty
I was just wondering if you ever started those AK x NL#9`s..and once again
thanks for the gift`s
TOPIC - O.K.
DATE - 19:02:01 8/21/99
FROM - Psycho
Yes, I grew in soil. I got tired of the gnats, the lugging around of hundreds
of pounds of dirt, the Ph adjustment issues...
going hydro even discouraged my cat from wanting to hang in my garden.
A good thing.
I am not condemning soil. Hey, you can grow excellent dope with good yields.
But, you are going to work a whole lot
harder. Problems are more plentiful, and harder to solve.
I am small time, I hand water. I like to use lava rock or a perlite/vermiculite
mix, depnding on the season. Lava rock in
the winter, the other in the summer. Because of my neutral medium, I need
to keep my nutrient solution on the low
side, around 6.1-6.2. That is the only prob I EVER have.
That's what's so nice about hydro. Since I adjust by bromothemyl blue,
I sometimes tend to let my adjustment go a tad
too high. I have gotten good at judging the hues, but sometimes it is just
a matter of a drifting habit to start
going a little too green, and moving away from the very limey-green that
is what I need.
When I see that iron deficiency look start in the growing tips, I simply
foliar feed and double check myself, lowering the
Ph.
Now, OT1 will tell you organics gives a better tasting herb.
This is a matter of personal taste, and what ferts you use.
I have never noticed the difference, personally.
I suppose there are advantages to dirt. Less ferts, less watering, ... [can't think of any others]
I would never go back now. The Mediums are cheap and light too, when bought in bulk.
If I were you, growing outside, I would go for an automated flood system
on a timer. Y'know, a central collecting tub
that has a pump on a timer. Out in the sun, you are going to have to be
attentive you don't let the pots get too dry,
and slow growth. I have zero experience outdoors. But, I would suspect
a mix heavy on the vermiculite would be
desireable. Others can chime in. I just know indoors,
I have no problem maintaining proper moisture.
Perhaps, hydro is inappropriate outdoors...
TOPIC - psycho
DATE - 17:56:50 8/21/99
FROM - cedartop
not trying to get into a bash with you, wondering did you grow in soil
before hydro? regular ferts or organic? i had real
good luck with organics this year for my veggies. gonna do both next year.
just wondering what type of hydro system
you are using. gonna do my hydro in a greenhouse. i'm poor as a snake,
but found a greenhouse being tore down and
did some excellent scrounging. doing some webpage work for a chemical supply
and am trading some work for ferts.
"this company will make up anything" legal that is. i just havent pegged
what kind of hydro unit i want to go with. any
ideas would be appreciated.
got a kick out of chronic, dont post much, sometimes vic deletes my post
sometimes no answer but it sure isnt
something to get upset about. do know that vic has always answered my email
even if the questions weren't about
breeding. i know i'm about the only professed non grower on the board,
but sure do learn alot, wanna learn gardening
learn from reefer growers for sure. believe me if i could i'd be growing
some smoke. sure do miss the taste of some
good bud.
later, would appreciate any advice you or others can throw my way.
TOPIC - Lighten Up CM
DATE - 16:54:46 8/21/99
FROM - Curious George
Hey guy ... lighten up a bit ... I've posted some questions that got response,
and others that didn't, and I'm in no way
associated with any "B.C. clique", and certainly hope that the operators
of this site have no freaking idea whatsoever
where I'm at.
However, please keep in mind that there are probably
only a few folks accessing this site, and even fewer who respond.
Take care.
TOPIC - CM...
DATE - 15:21:40 8/21/99
FROM - Psycho
You really must learn to cope with perceived rejection more diplomatically.
I am sure people just missed your questions, or left them for someone else.
Perhaps they had no answer for you, and
hoped others would answer.
I like to read this board, because it usually is quite pleasent.
Here, I'll give you some advice right now: forget soil, go hydroponic.
No more gnats, no more smells, no more
overwatering, better aeriation of the roots, faster growth in smaller containers,
easier to avoid nurient lockup like in that
poor plant up above, simpler solutions to nutrient
problems (adjust Ph of nutrient solution is all that is needed, usually),
etc... Soil is o.k. for average growers,
but the pros go hydro. :) (Yes, I know, but I am entitled to my opinion
too, dirt lovers!)
How's that? I will never cease to be amazed at how some make growing marijuana
sound so much more difficult than it
really is. In fact, it is a shame that some do this, because for those
of us who grow good dope casually, discussing
growing gets to be as boring as can be. Breeding and strains is where it's
at.
And, I have been quite pleasently surprised by my Sweettooth Surprises.
They are quite potent, and will make for very
interesting breeding. Bashing B.C. is no better than the canucks bashing
the Dutch. Of course, take note how much
dutch work is in B.C. genetics... and how much U.S. work is the basis for
the dutch standbys...
If, by some bizarre twist of fate, the U.S. succeeds in coercing Ottawa
to fund and create a crackdown in B.C., it will
be a great loss to the cannabis community. I am betting
the Candian people will not tolerate such a waste of limited public resources.
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:31:50 8/21/99
FROM - chronic man
I asked a simple question, a little while back, about whether it would
be ok to use Sunshine mix #4 instead of #2, to
make Vic's Super soil. A really simple question actually, and of course
no one bothered to answer this question. That's
ok, I guess if your not in the little "B.C." crowd, then your questions
aren't worthy. This isn't the only time this has
happened. I've been snubbed by Vic. I asked him some questions, and he
answered one of them, but the other 3 or 4
got ignored. Believe it or not, your shit still stinks up there in BC.
(And it doesn't even get you high hahaha) And I'm
hoping that the BC genetics that I have isn't the same low quality crap
that you try to pass off on us Americans. It's
amazing some of the shit I've seen coming down from there. Looks good,
smells good, but doesn't do a DAMN thing.
What do you do to this crap, screen it first?? I'm just getting a little
tired of the silly little clicks going on up there.
Wasn't that something we all did in high school???? O well, I'm sure I'll
get some responses now....but look at what it
takes. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Don't worry, I won't ever post here
again, and it's really too bad, because I'm sure
we could learn so much from each other.
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - neems oil
DATE - 14:10:33 8/21/99
FROM - pizza
i sprayed neems about 9 days ago girls are 3 weeks into bud mites are back
is it safe spray again or should i wait 14
days like it says on bottle
TOPIC - blueberries turning blue
DATE - 12:25:30 8/21/99
FROM - trelaway
Howdy,
just finishing a blueberry clone and, typically, toward the end of week
seven, the leaves are turning blue. Now, I
attributed this to the strain--blueberry yada yada.
anyway, someone told me the leaves are only turning blue because of a lack of K.
opinions?
TOPIC - Vic-- - OT1
DATE - 06:33:56 8/21/99
FROM - Budm
Vic & OT1 my modem is fried by lightening, please pass this along to
NL420, should be back up by Tues. at the
latest. Have a nice weekend. Posted via friend
TOPIC - Blue Moonshine
DATE - 21:18:00 8/19/99
FROM - John
Hey guy's. Does anybody have any experience growing Blue Moonshine? I purchased
seeds from Marc Emery,but the
results i've had so far have been very disapointing. It grows vegetavely
very well,but the buds are just so small.
Out of 5 clones i put in a sea of green to assess the strain,we were lucky
to get 1/3 of an ounce. The other strains i
grow yield between 3/4 to 1 ounce per clone.
Admittedly i haven't grown out all the seeds,but are they so variable?
Any info would be appreciated. THANKS
TOPIC -
DATE - 20:39:41 8/19/99
FROM - Vic High
SlaveZero - you didn't get a responce because your question was inapropriate
here. Bets to ask HS or enquire at
Cannabis.com's seedbanks board.
TOPIC - Seeds, Heavens Stairway
DATE - 16:32:53 8/19/99
FROM - SlaveZero
Never saw an answer to the delivery question on the 15th.
Anyone know the delivery times to US for products shipped by Heaven's Stairway?
Their email address seems to be
bouncing.
Thanks in advance.
SlaveZero
TOPIC - Damion
DATE - 13:43:48 8/19/99
FROM - Budm
Hi D, no email from you, try again.
Peace
TOPIC - Josh
DATE - 07:35:03 8/19/99
FROM - Old Bud
Hold back to let the other's catch up, simple take a piece of string (6"long?)
tie a loop in it, tape a dime to the string for
weight, now place the loop over the node (branch) carefully. This will
hold back that node to allow more even growth of
the canopy.
Try it, experiment, you'll be amazed its like bonsai.
TOPIC - Budm, did you get my email?
DATE - 07:02:15 8/19/99
FROM - Damion
been having problems w/ that freemail lately. Have a good day everybody!
TOPIC - Reply to Oldbud
DATE - 00:47:05 8/19/99
FROM - Josh
Hey Oldbud, thanks for the reply. Just one question though. What do you
mean by "hold" back the 6th node for a day
or two? Thanks in advance.
TOPIC - pruning
DATE - 20:03:30 8/18/99
FROM - sb
Josh
I agree with old bud, but I'd like to add that this is a hard area to really
f*ck up too badly.Just cut the thing and nature
will generally take you just where you wanted to be with very little or
no further effort on your part.VIOLA you have a
multi-headed thing of beauty.
Just for kicks, try removing just the top 2/3 of terminal growth.I've noticed
that when trimmed in such a manner the
terminal growth stalls, but doesn't die.The lower branches begin to fill
out and the clipped terminal growth resumes.Just
something fun to play with that alters the branching structure slightly.
peace and enjoy
sb
TOPIC - Eric: drug blacklist
DATE - 12:41:35 8/18/99
FROM - Thunderheart
Eric,
I think that Canada may just want to get on the black list that we have
in the US. This would allow them to have access
similar to China and others on the list. Imagine all the nuclear secrets,
arms deals, classified info, ect. This could take
Canada from being our friendly neighbor to the north, and make them into
a power hungry Nuclear superpower. Sounds
cool, huh.
TH
TOPIC - Josh
DATE - 09:12:45 8/18/99
FROM - Old Bud
Better to wait until you have the 8th or 9th node, then top between the
6&7. This will give you a nice top clone and will
allow the the 5th and 6th nodes to be more established. Next hold back
the top node (6th node) for a day or 2 to allow
the 5th node time to catch the top node, now you have 4 equal branches
ready for flower. When these branches get
between 8-14 inches long switch over to flower, wait for the stretching
to slow (@2wks) then trim off the bottom 2
branches (which should be weak looking and shaded by now) this will leave
you with 4 healthy even spaced, uniform
height main colas. This would apply mainly to SOG style of growth, for
bush style I grow to 10 nodes and top at the
8-9th node, grow for another 4 wks then flower, should be @ 5' tall when
finished.
TOPIC -
DATE - 20:44:49 8/17/99
FROM - Josh
Howdy folks. Just a quick question. If I wanted to top a plant to make
it branch out, say between the 6th and 7th node,
have you found it better to top when the leaves at the 7th node are very
small and recently sprouted and the 6th node
leaves also very immature, or is it better to top when the 7th node leaves
are more mature (say ~3-4 cm long) to allow
for the best branching out success?
Thanx folks.
TOPIC - VIC re: postmaster
DATE - 00:07:55 8/17/99
FROM - irish
if you get the pics, reply to the irish addy.
the posthamster addy now is using cookies.
thanks for the reply. i know it isn't exactly a laid back time now.
TOPIC - OldBud
DATE - 21:17:35 8/16/99
FROM - Budm
OB, thanks for the susgestions, im going to work on getting as much info
about each donation as possiable,on a
personel level from donator, as well as from the parents original breeder,
when possiable. Im with ya the more info, and
the nicer its packaged, the more bidding, the more good that gets done;-))
Peace
TOPIC - Budm
DATE - 20:52:19 8/16/99
FROM - Old Bud
I was thinking that it would be great if there were a few notes from the
breeder or the donator. Any special nutrients or
care? What to look for in a mother? Maybe a photo? I think any 'info' would
help sell the beans and increace the bids.
Cant wait to get seeds, I'm thinking of a special project for A1's seeds.(thats
what I'm calling them). Maybe a scrog
cabinet like scw's, or perhaps vic's super soil and a 1000w closet. Either
way I hope to post photo's and grow reports
as they progress.
Keep up the great work. Thanks
TOPIC - eric
DATE - 20:39:31 8/16/99
FROM - trelaway
Locally (southern B.C.) pounds are about three thousand canuck bucks.
TOPIC - mold
DATE - 20:06:27 8/16/99
FROM - waitin
ive been curing latest cuttings in glass jars for last 2 1/2 weeks opening
jars once a day. missed opening yesterday
and today found a grey mold on just one big cola in one jar. took buds
out and hung them back up. mold seems to
have disappeared. what can i do to stop spread of mold. may have not let
it hang long enough in the first place before
putting in jars but no problems until today and just on one bud. should
i put back in jar after a day or so or what. other
jars fine. thanks
TOPIC - Early outdoor harvests
DATE - 18:06:32 8/16/99
FROM - peaceness
hello gentlemen, well, this years outdoor season is not quite over yet,
but i am in the process of preparing for next
years grow site(hauling,digging) as well as figuring out which strains
i will be growing next year.
I am specifically interested in strains that finish around the end of august/first
week of september. Having done some
research, i have found descriptions of strains that finish end of august/first
of september. (even though i am at the 34th
parralel, i am also at 5000 elevation, so i must harvest before the frost).
What do you guys think about the following
strains, and if they will indeed finish early(anyone have experience with):
Ben Johnson (finishes aug 25)
Af Pak Hash X Ben Johnson (finshes aug 25)
Bumper 5000 (finishes sept 5-15)
Burnaby Bumper (finishes sept 5-15)
Dutch Treat (finishes sept 5-15)
Super Sweet (finishes sept 10-25)
Early Riser (finishes mid september, one pound per plant)
I also read something to the effect of strains that automatically flower
regardless of photoperiod. In fact these plants
can be harvested in july also.They are:
White Lightning
Ruderalis Indica
Mighty mite x afghani automatic
If i am correct, automatic flowering is a result of ruderalis genes. unfortunately
i have heard bad things of ruderalis. even
though, i find it fascinating to be able to harvest in july, and in some
cases, these plants will finish in 100 days from
start to finish regardless of the light cycle. If this is the case, it
would revolutionize the outdoor scene, and if possible,
one can veg and flower different strains INDOORS under one light cycle!!!!
Has anyone had any experience with early
maturin strains as well as the strains that flower automatically? my goal
is to be able to get many multiple harvests a
year with different strains all the while eliminating LEO and the frost-Peaceness
TOPIC - HAHAHAAHAHAHAH
DATE - 11:09:01 8/16/99
FROM - Eric
U.S. Denies It Will Add Canada To Drugs Hit List
Updated 11:56 AM ET August 16, 1999
OTTAWA (Reuters) - U.S. officials Monday dismissed a newspaper report that
Washington might add Canada to a list of drug-trafficking and producing
countries it felt
were not doing enough in the war against drugs.
Saturday's edition of the Globe and Mail had said the State Department's
Narcotics and
Law Enforcement Division was poised to include Canada on a list of 28 nations
that
includes China, Burma, Mexico, India and Hong Kong.
"It won't ever happen. It's nonsense. That is a list of bad guys. Of course
Canada will
never be on such a list," said one senior U.S. official in Ottawa who asked
not to be
identified.
U.S. drug enforcement agencies are concerned by the rising amount of Canadian
marijuana being smuggled across the border, particularly from the western
province of
British Columbia.
U.S. Ambassador Gordon Giffin called Canadian Foreign Minister Lloyd Axworthy
to
deny the newspaper report, a U.S. Embassy spokesman said.
"If this was under serious consideration the ambassador would certainly
know about it,
and he knows nothing about this matter," said Buck Shinkman.
"Canada and the United States are both fighting the drug problem hard and
the
cooperation between our two countries is unprecedented worldwide."
A Canadian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said middle-ranking State Department
officials had proposed adding Canada to the list earlier this year but
the idea was quickly
dropped.
The U.S. blacklist tracks nations that Washington believes are involved
in growing and
shipping narcotics to the United States. The White House must impose sanctions
on those
countries whose efforts are deemed inadequate.
The State Department's annual report on the fight against drugs, released
in February,
praised Canada's efforts but expressed concern about the situation in British
Columbia.
It quoted Canadian intelligence officials as saying the marijuana industry
in the province
was worth $1 billion a year, with 60 percent of the crop being smuggled
to the United
States.
Eric: In the end i think most of you guys pot is being traded for coke
and herion from us.....I would MUCH rather smoke
canadian pot than mexican anyway...just out of curiousity how much does
the canadian homegrown sell for a pound
just across the border??????
TOPIC - novice
DATE - 08:12:49 8/16/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All
Novice-- Im with "sb" on the genetic issue, spending big dollars does not
alaways equal better smoke. Af has bought
seeds from Holland and Canada, in all price ranges, to-date he has a favorites
in the 40-60$us range that are far better
then some that are 80-120$us. In respect to a metaphor, buying beans, of
any decent quality, can be likened to a
lottery ticket(IMO), but the odds are not as bad, you have a chance of
finding a really nice female, the possiable
outcomes in genetics, coupled with the ignorance of not knowing one seeds
predisposition from anothers, make it a
"numbers game" that anyone with good-basic gardening skills, can play.
One word of advice, "take clones" of every
female you put to flower, dont let a "winning ticket"
be a one shot wonder. HTH
Old Bud- Thanks for the input, I wanted to really have as many folks in
the community involved as possiable, and I think
the date co-insides nicely with the fall indoor garden start-ups. I hope
others are also going to participate with there
"donations" in mind with the bids, as you are;-)
I can say that when the Auction List is updated with the reciently pledged
donations, it will look mighty fine, there are
some real nice beans being donated, real "once in a liftime oppunities"
I hope you get somthing you really want;-))
Hopefully Ill be in contact with Vic & RC, and the genetic list will
get up-dated by this weekend.
Peace
TOPIC - A1 bean auction
DATE - 17:32:33 8/15/99
FROM - Old Bud
Sounds like a great time for the auction Budm (Sept 11-12). I for 1 have
held back in sending my donation so I could
include it in the bid price, you will get some great bids on Ingmars seeds,
as well as the others.
Peace
TOPIC - indoor unit
DATE - 17:29:21 8/15/99
FROM - novice
Can anyone recommend a relatively
inexpensive self-contained
growing system for indoors?
I am new and just want to grow
a few plants at at time.
Thanks--I just found this
site today and I'm damn
happy about it.
TOPIC - Novice/Optimist
DATE - 15:57:43 8/15/99
FROM - sb
Optimist
While I agree with some of what you say I do not agree that higher prices
invariably mean higher quality/better buds.
Huge breeding outfits have huge overhead(this means higher prices as well)
and while the average seed passing thru
their mailroom may indeed be better, the big name dutch breeders do not
have a corner on the market.
Our canadian friends offer some very nice genetics at very reasonable prices.I've
bought sweet tooth(SOL), nl x
bubbleberry(the Joker) and JH x Williams wonder (wilyjack) for a combined
total of less than $1oo US.
Results?
the ST was very nice with an above average yield and my best showed a great
deal of grape fruit influence.way better
than "av commersh"
the NL x Bubbleberry WOW!! I still kick myself in the ass for letting this
one die out.My wife and a couple of my friends
still think it's the best they've ever had...
The JH X WWonder- still have it growing right next to apollo13, G13 and
Cali-O if that tells you anything.
Lucky? Maybe. Master gardener? Not!
I would bet that there are plenty others with similar results.
peace
sb
TOPIC - Seeds
DATE - 15:41:22 8/15/99
FROM - Moose
Anyone know how long heavens stairwat takes to deliver to southeast u.s
TOPIC - Novice
DATE - 14:41:54 8/15/99
FROM - optimist
Well Novice, you're on the right track. Everyone does have to start somewhere,
and it takes awhile to get good at it.
The best thing to do for a first time grow is visit the various weed-oriented
sites on the web that offer growing guides.
There are MANY of these guides available on the web, you just have to search
through Yahoo for starters (and there
are many more). Some of the online guides are also available in print (check
Amazon.com listing of Marijuana books,
it's huge).
Find the guides, look through and find the info on "Getting Started", "Basic
Growing", etc. If you look at a few different
guides and FAQs, you'll see the Do's and Dont's pretty soon.
Then you're ready to grow some weed! BUT, start with bag-seeds. Just for
the first crop, to learn some basics and keep
the mistakes CHEAP. If you can't get bag-seeds, okay, go ahead and spend
some money on seeds, but it's always
better to have a first go at it without risking the $$.
When you have the confidence (The Skills to Pay the Bills), then you can
try the expensive stuff. Because it is true,
the more you pay the better you get, unless you get screwed...cheap seeds
will probably give you better than
"Commercial" quality, but if you want really kind buds, you need to get
a "name brand" seed. If you have a hard time
choosing among them, pick the most expensive one (What the hell, why be
cheap if you want the best?).
And one more very important piece of free advice: DON'T TELL ANYONE. Otherwise
you will be another statistic!
TOPIC - More specifically
DATE - 14:34:37 8/15/99
FROM - sb
http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/Cannabis/
TOPIC - Novice
DATE - 14:30:39 8/15/99
FROM - sb
Novice
Welcome Dude, you're like MOST of us.You'll find a pretty even split between
us simple/soil
growers(worm-huggers.hehehe) and the hydro guys(tech-heads) .There's definitly
more than one way to skin a cat!
Try here
http://www.lycaeum.org/
also w.overgrow.com
also w.cannabis.com
also check out the links from this page
Work out a general game plan as far as space and lighting.This will help
you in your seed selection process.
Anything crossed with northern lights would be a good bet as would a myriad
of others.Best of luck
sb
TOPIC - How to start
DATE - 13:56:31 8/15/99
FROM - Novice
I am looking to try growing
for the first time and I'm interested
in any advice I can get. I
am going to be very low tech
at first and most of you might
shake your heads at me but you
have to start somewhere, right?
Any hints on simple beginners growing,
a good seed to start with, etc.
would be appreciated. Thank you all.
I'm in a new state and I know nobody
so I guess I'll have to help myself.
TOPIC - Auction to benefit A1s legal fund....
DATE - 11:53:55 8/15/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All, well this Auction is shaping up nice, thanks to some real kind
folks, digging into there genetics that they have in
abundance.
There are going to be some unique beans up for bid, that for most of us,
this will be the only chance to obtain, some by
virtue of, they are not marketed anymore, and some due to the rarenes of
the crossing.
At this time its difficult to point out any new, and solid information
about the offerings, as most are still in transit.
Heavens Stairway will have all inventory in place, prior to the genetics
beeing offered for Auction, all winning bidders will
be notified via email, and HS will provide fullfilment, more details will
follow.
One pack thats in place, and a certain offering allready is
White Widow Web's -11 count pack "Widow Warrior" original F1s
direct from Ingemar the "Widow Master" the original White Widow creator/breeder.
The F1 cross is Ingemars Master
White Widow x Durban Poison, The Breeders discription is the following....
Height 75 - 150 cm.
We have improved this tough Durban Sativa for years before crossing it with the Master Widow.
A strong bushy plant with tight buds. A real rush.
EARLY HARVEST
May/June - October
Outdoors harvest
Ingemars beans are difficult to obtain, these genetics may lend them-selves
well to a scrog gardner, as Durban does
well in that type of garden. A friend has grown two strains of Ingemars
beans, and they were very uniform, very potent
and easy to grow. Theres only one pack of 11, that was shipped directly
to HS, from White Widow Web.
If your in the market for genetics, remeber try and help out, we have a
few details to Iron out still, and donations that
have to arrive at HS befor the next up-date can be posted. If you have
donations its still not to late to lend a hand, and
help out, email "kindauction@bigfoot.com" for details.
It looks like to be fair to the people who might be taking holiday, being
that mid-Aug--LaborDay weekend(Sept4-6),is a
peak anauall travel time, it may be in the best intrest of those wanting
to particapate, that it would be best held the
weekend following labor day, plus many of you will be starting your fall
Indoor gardens and in need of beans!
Any feedback is welcome;-)) Thanks;-))))
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:35:59 8/15/99
FROM - KQ
CG, chelated iron is available to the roots due to being held as individual
iron atoms in the clasp of an organic chelator.
The chelator can be as simple as oxalic acid or as complex as EDTA which
stands for ethylenediaminetetracetic acid
last time I checked! EDTA is what is used in the purple top tubes in the
hospital when they wanna run a CBC on you
and do not want your blood to coagulate. The linchpin for coagulation is
calcium, so the edta immediatley binds the
calcium away from the coag pathway, rendering the blood permenatly liquid.
The chelator holds the iron available kinuv
loosely so it is easy for the root hair to tear it away from the chelator.
A rusty nail in water would only supply iron oxide
which is just not available to a root as the oxygen binds it too tightly.
I imiagine that if you threw iron filings into an
active compost pile, some of it could be chelated by action of microbes,
fungi, and organic divalent acids. Other than
that it is just far easier to apply it in a store bought solution. Good
topic!
TOPIC - A-1 Problems etc.
DATE - 10:09:45 8/15/99
FROM - Curious George
While it sounds like a conspiracy, and sucks on the face of it, the situation
might not be so simple. Proper
investigation of child abuse allegations is important, but the use of a
state agency to dump on unpopular citizens is
reprehensible.
Though there may be strong circumstantial evidence of a direct conspiracy
between LEO and the child welfare
apparatus, it's much more likely that agents of LEO made an anonymous call
to begin the process. That way, there is
no paper trail back to them, and nobody to sue. They know that the child
welfare agents are Required to investigate
any telephone abuse allegations, and they know that their buddies in LEO
will be more than happy to supply
information about A-1 and his family as soon as the child welfare folks
make an inquiry about the situation.
I've been remiss in not having mailed in a donation to A-1's attorney yet. Will try to get to it later this week.
By the way, the acronym LEO has a different meaning in Kentucky. The alternative
newspaper in Louisville is called
"The Louisville Eccentric Observer", and their masthead & logo is the
letters "LEO" in large letters.
Here's a question: what exactly does "chelated" mean? Evidently it's some
chemical property that makes minerals
more available to plants, but how is it done? Would a commercial "chelated"
iron supplement be better than a handful
of nails thrown into a bucket of water to rust for a week or two? If so,
why?
Just curious.
TOPIC - seattle hempfest.
DATE - 23:27:52 8/14/99
FROM - irish
will be passing through there. but probably not stopping in. it's the 22nd,
right? sunday. i just was reminded of the last
photo spread...and got a little misty... reminiscing
have fun up there. man maybe i should leave earlier...
where the hell is pier 70... probably right near pier 69 right?..
LOL
TOPIC - seeds
DATE - 16:29:15 8/14/99
FROM - bb
yes these are the fundraising seeds i bought from Vic...and actually if
you work it out its a 12.50$ off the regular price.
40 seeds for 50 bucks.......not a bad deal.....GREAT genetics..
TOPIC - Seattle hempfest
DATE - 12:46:52 8/14/99
FROM - chronic man
I'll be there..too bad I won't know who any of you are...last year one
of the undercover pigs took my friends glass pipe.
Oh well...serves him right...what do you expect for the local LEO to just
say "go ahead...have fun..don't you mind us,
we're just here to party to..." hehe ya right. Too bad it really couldn't
be that way huh??
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - seattle hempfest/irish
DATE - 12:20:15 8/14/99
FROM - sb
I may well be there.You?
TOPIC - salepricing? and light distancing.
DATE - 01:11:58 8/14/99
FROM - irish
are these sale seeds the "fundraiser seeds"?
and if you are trying to "fundraise" wouldn't you want the extra five bucks?
(US$/CA$ five bucks is five bucks)
hey there buddy-
you should hold your hand where the plants tops are/will be. keep it there.
lower the light until the heat is too much for
your hand, and raise it until you can keep your hand there indefinately.
(for a long time if necessary..LOL)
was that very clear?.. it doesn't sound like it.
VIVA EL A1.
also any northwesterners comments on the Seattle hempfest?... next weekend?
i see some CC members will be in
attendance. going to brave it again, huh? there were some great pics from
last years... hope to see some more great
pics this time. mmm, lots of blue moonshine..
TOPIC - how close
DATE - 21:35:33 8/13/99
FROM - buddy
can someone tell me what is the closest i can have my hps (not air or water
cooled) to my ladies??
TOPIC -
DATE - 15:03:32 8/13/99
FROM - bb
Ok been pondering a sale for BCGA stuff...heres the deal I will make
10 Blueberry -- which is usually $25
30 Of any of the SUPRISE's except the Romulan which i would do 15 of (its
usual price is $30 for 10) --usual price of
others is $30 for 20
ALL this .....for $$$ 50
Please Quote "BCGA sale" on email.
TOPIC - Sunshine #4 instead of #2??
DATE - 12:47:47 8/13/99
FROM - chronic man
I've been getting some Vic's Super soil ready for planting, and I have
some Sunshine #4 mix that I was thinking about
trying. The recipe says to use Sunshine #2. I wouldn't think it would be
too much of a difference, but this will be my first
time using organics, so I don't want to screw up. Do you think it'll be
ok to use it?? I'm looking forward to using this
mix. Organics seem to make the bud so much more tastier. Also, I'm getting
a little tired of the "hay" smell that seems
to come from using chem ferts. I have been clearing and curing properly,
but that hay smell always seems to be there.
I've been using GH, epsom salts, with Sunshine #4 with worm castings.
My Shisk and Romberry are looking great!! Seems like I have alot of males
..damn....kinda hard to tell though...so far
they look like much better yielders than the Blueberry that I've grown
to like so much...
TIA
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - oldbud
DATE - 03:05:45 8/13/99
FROM - pizza
the superboost is 10-62-10 for is for rooting or for final stages of ripening
the budblaster is for extraw boost the problem
is they dont tell you when to, stop useing the bloom terra and start the
superboost
TOPIC - pizza
DATE - 01:21:58 8/13/99
FROM - Old Bud
pizza: I've used it on a few grows and works well at increacing resin.
Add when the ladies begin their ripening stage
(depends on the strain) untill one week before harvest. Note it does not
make the grass anymore potent and can add a
little harshness too (again depends on the strain). But it does make the
buds stickier and more presentable for some.
Never tried the super boost, what do the directions say?
TOPIC - fertilizers
DATE - 23:14:49 8/12/99
FROM - pizza
my girls are 2weeks into bud right now Im feeding supernatural bloom terra
how long should I feed them this before I
switch to superboost& budblaster strain is amsterdam big bud any suggestions
would be appreceated
TOPIC - A-1,outdoors,predator insects.
DATE - 21:25:53 8/12/99
FROM - Peaceness
hello all, long time no speak but im always lurking. first let me just
say that it is FUCKED UP what the government is
doing to A-1. i had the pleasure of meeting A-1 in person and he is a really
cool guy and knows his stuff. In fact i grew
out his white widow 14 and it was the BOMB!!! i wish i would have cloned
it!! regardless, i feel for this fellow brother and
have donated to the cause, if i was rich i would relocate him to alcapulco,
amsterdam, etc. perhaps someday!!Our
government is SOOO FUCKED!!! I know there are POTENTIAL marijuana philanthropists
in the game that have made
money and can make a difference! help him out, besides when you die, you
dont take your money with ya!!! GEEZ!!
As far as my situation goes, I am small time but i enjoy the herb immensley
and am still learnng. I have started my first
outdoor venture this year and all are looking well at about 6 feet tall.
i have had problems with rain as it has been
raining for the last 10 days, but started clearing up today. i was wondering
what are the best loom ferts to use. i am
using schultz 10-60-10 at 1 teaspoon per gallon of water at every feedin.
is this to low of a concentration? are there
other better bloom ferts out there, chemical or organic? another question
i have is in regards to indoor predator insects.
currently i have 4 plants in flowering indoors and CANT get rid of the
white flies. are there any predator insects that are
effective against white flies even under 12 hours of light? any links would
be appreciated. -Peaceness
TOPIC - Vic, Mota, Groovie
DATE - 20:00:55 8/12/99
FROM - Blazer
Vic man...Get this. I found a trash/compost bag I forgot in the basement
for almost 6 weeks. I looked in too see
MILLIONS of mite eggs everywhere and not 1 mite in sight! It was a hot,
black plastic bag and the plant matter was all
kinds of moist w/ condensation on the bag. So much for the humidity keeping
the mites down IMO. Wildest thing I've
seen yet. Rather than waiting to see if they would hatch, I took great
pleasure tossing them on the grill for a little fire;) If
they only screamed or let Me know it hurt, it woulda been much more gratifying!
LOL
Mota That seed choice is tough. BW kix ass IF You get a keeper mom. I had
1 that smelled like that "BooBerry"
cereal My kid loves so much, so sweet smelling it's almost too much. She
is 1 stout gal, probably produced the widest
fans I've ever seen and is a bushy 1. A good choice. The other 2 I personally
haven't grown, but I know several who have
and they all seemed quite happy. I did try the Romulan though. Didn't hold
a candle to the BW flavor wise, but packed
a pleasant punch. Tuff call Man, I'm in the same boat except I have about
10 varieties I'm DYING to try w/ room for 2.
What's a Guy to do?LOL
Groovy I'd be in heaven growing around there! You have a long enough season
for even the longest sativa to finish
outdoors. Man I see X-mas trees trying to invision that! A good Thai plant
would probably be killer there. Man sounds
like a dream IMO, Goodluck!
Blaze
TOPIC -
DATE - 18:54:24 8/12/99
FROM - Groovie
Does anyone knows of any nice strain to grow outdoors in Brazil?
TOPIC - A1 and his kids, sorry off topic
DATE - 08:37:27 8/12/99
FROM - cedartop
i don't have any kids, but i'd be damn if i would let someone take mine.
didn't think i would ever be serious about
relocating, but if this happened to me and my wife. i think i would and
just say the hell with the u.s. of a.
seems to me the government is trying to make him spend all of his money
just trying to keep his kids and by the time
he gets to court with the reefer thing he'll be broke and wont be able
to defend either his wife or himself. i dont know the
facts or anything really concerning his case. he claims that he is a medical
user and that he was caretaker for others.
"the reason for so many plants" then what is he being hounded for in the
first place? seems to me if the state can't end
up getting a conviction on the reefer, they will take his kids and use
that as an example. with the state saying fine grow
your smoke, but we are going to take your kids. i dont have any money to
help A1 and his wife, but i hope that
everyone who does will send some his way.
this is a prime case of facism in the land of the free. sure is a sad thing
to see happening.
TOPIC - A-1 Update
DATE - 18:23:36 8/11/99
FROM - Danbo
Child Protective Services came and took A-1's
kids. They had a false charge of negelect and
wanted to put the pressure on. The charges are unfounded and can easily
be disproved
but CPS want to makes a test case of this.
They said his wife left a child home unattended and had to hand cuff her
to take the children. A-1 said they kicked her
and
physically and verbally abused her in front of the children as well. She
suffered multiple bruises. CPS is dead wrong but
what do have they to lose. Nothing. It will take a
court hearing to decide the childrens fate .
CPS is recommending the children be made
wards of the state. This would most likely mean foster care. I'll update
on this thread
as I hear more.
TOPIC - curing
DATE - 09:35:50 8/11/99
FROM - pi
1.) hang/screen them till stems snaps
2.) bag them till stems snap
3.) bottle buds in canning cars(mason jars)and final cure and storage.
the jar should be opened at least once a week...
agitated and burped.
a single fan leaf from a growing plant will replenish moisture when needed.
TOPIC - harvesting
DATE - 18:28:06 8/10/99
FROM - Budm
Hi iggi, at cannabis culture's site in the "online issues" I think Dec98,
there a article "Curing Your Medicine" by "DJ
Short" the breeder, its serve's as a good model, and really is foolproof,
if you pay attention to his instructions, and
watch/smell the whole process. It turns out a real nice end product, through
the use of hanging/screen, paper bags,
and glass jars. HTH
Peace
Ps if you cant find the article post back, and ill lay it all out for ya.
TOPIC - harvest
DATE - 17:47:53 8/10/99
FROM - iggi
Hello:
I would like some help on harvesting?
TOPIC -
DATE - 13:33:13 8/10/99
FROM - t2
budm i've never used cotton boll compost but i've used cottonseed meal
as a nitrogen source for acidic loving shrubs
like hydrangeas and bluberries. cottonseed meal has an average n-p-k of
6-2-1. the composting process should have
neutralized some of the acidity.
mota i'd have to find a way to keep em all
TOPIC - Marley B
DATE - 11:21:57 8/10/99
FROM - 67ed
Spud: The address was www.lycaeum.org/~sky/alumni/marleyb/ but that page
is no longer available. Maybe if you did
a search for Marley B.
Budm: that's too bad about the PR pollen..maybe you can get some more Pr
seeds. I'll email you later this week.
TOPIC - If you had a choice
DATE - 10:12:55 8/10/99
FROM - Mota
Hello everyone, been gone for a while.
Need a little help, if you had a choice of growing Blue Widow, Romulan
or Cinderella 99, which one would you choose
and why? I want to grow a new strain to bid farewell to 1999.
Been sampling my latest Northern Light #5 x Blueberry from BCSC. It's a
very good cross, takes a while to finish, 9
weeks, but worth the wait.
PAZ,
Mota
TOPIC - Nevs Haze
DATE - 05:39:57 8/10/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All
67Ed- Im a bit upset with the PR pollen which I went to great lengths to
collect, I tried to do a cross with it just for the
heck of it, and I think its 100% sterile!!
Well fall harvest is not that far off, hopefully my friend will be getting
more PR beans. The two haze gals are going a
little slow, they are about 5 weeks old and only about 9", they just started
getting back into gear after a transplant. af is
not worrying about the streach to much, his set up can handle upto about
a 9' gal with bending. Will keep ya informed
as to the progress. Thinking of a Nevs Haze x NL.....
Id still like to know if anyones used "Cotton Boll" compost bought from
a garden shop/nursery? How did it work out??
TIA.
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 23:14:16 8/09/99
FROM - Spud
does anyone know where that web page is of that guy living in Jamaica which
has pics of his plants and who is offering
to swap seeds for others from around the globe? There used to be a link
to it at www.discover.nl.The address would be
really handy for me.
Thanks.
TOPIC - women
DATE - 22:00:10 8/09/99
FROM - 67ed
Budm: How's the haze doing? Remember, it stretchessssss!
Vic: I checked today on two, bonzai blueberries growing along a stream
bank in partial shade. They haven't indicated,
but I believe they've triggered from the funky look of the top. Great!
It must have been the partial shading. Now they'll
finish while it's still warm at night. If this is true, planting in partial
shade might be a way to get later varieties to trigger
earlier...
TOPIC - Gnats
DATE - 09:53:09 8/09/99
FROM - KQ
Just learned this from a bonified mushroom farmer: fungus gnats are a threat
to him so he uses pint jars half filled with
applecider vinegar and water (50/50) with a drop of dish detergent in it.
He hangs these all around his operation and
they are literally filled with dead gnats. He says it helps! Dude has an
autoclave that you could drive a VW through,
about 30 feet long or so.
TOPIC - thx....
DATE - 22:45:37 8/08/99
FROM - aksmoker
ill go check there.....
TOPIC - fungus gnats
DATE - 22:29:49 8/08/99
FROM - greenbear
I use about 1.5-2 in. of sand on top of the soil to break the life cycle
when I have the little
buggers.Plus get some whitefly traps(yellow colered paper with nondry glue
on it) The sand
keeps the adult female from reaching the soil to lay eggs,and in combo
with the traps will keep
them from being a probl
TOPIC - aksmoker
DATE - 21:58:39 8/08/99
FROM - trelaway
www.cannabis.com
goto the message boards.
TOPIC - help im in remote area
DATE - 20:40:04 8/08/99
FROM - aksmoker
hi everyone...i just wanted to say there is alot of great information here.
what i wanted to know is, i live in a very remote
place in alaska and wanted to start growing indoors due to the weather
but i dont get to town due to the fact it is too
far. is there any sources on the net to get the neccesary lighting and
whatever else i need to start growing? any
suggestions?
TOPIC - Watering
DATE - 15:13:07 8/08/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
Vic- In veg closet its every 3 days for the 1-5 galon pots, and each 2
for the plastic cups, only enough to IME
(estamation) hit the lower rootzone. In the flower closet, the new arrivals,
get the same treatment they got veging, up
until about 3 week, or untill they are looking bone-dry w the soil starting
to receed from the container, on the 3rd day.
Then they go to every two days or daily, if they have been veged long for
the size container they are in its daily. I
supposed you could say after two weeks they go to being evaluated each
day, and being cared for accordainly. Its
twoards the middle weeks of flower, when the gals are really cranking,
and they can dry out in less then a day, that
they get watered heavy, once right as lamps turn on in the morning, and
then 2-3 hours later, they get watered again till
run off, all pots have trays undreneath in the flower closet, Also at this
time a liguid fert (EJ Bloom & EJ Cat) is added
once a week for 2 weeks, and a top dress of hi-P gauno is applied. Once
a gal is harvested, the pot may sit around for
1-4 weeks before being recycled into a new batch of SSoil, so leaching
is accomplished at the Peak of flowering, for
about 8-12 days (?),And so far so good, just keeping a eye open for defecientcies,
once in a while cant help but wonder
"would this one be a runt in fresh SS ?" But having one mom that has a
clone rep in each batch of new soil, is a good
"barometer" to keep from wondering about those "runts".
Auctually been starting to think smaller and more of a standard approach
to the 2 closet system, would like to find a
couple good moms as keepers, and do just a few in large pots each cycle.
Peace
TOPIC - supersoil mix!
DATE - 11:39:10 8/08/99
FROM - edhassle
Hello all I just want to thank vic for sharing this no brainer soilmix
receipt with us.I usually had problems with fan leafs
yellowing and nitrogen deficiency durning the last few weeks of flowering.I've
noticed since I started using the supersoil
mix the lower leaves on the flowering plants don't yellow and die prematurely.I
added some hi phosphorus gat guano a
few weeks into flowering,But the plants didn't need the extra nutrients
and showed me by the fertilizer burns on some of
the fan leaves and tips.The only problem was the fungus gnats they didn,t
respond to the gnatrol I used almost a gallon
of the stuff each watering and the little buggers keep commin back!
Vic I ordered the hypoaspis sp predator and released them a few days ago,Do
they only kill the larva in the soil or will
they go after the adult gnats also?
I finally got my water problem high ph level corrected.I got a spectrapure
reverse osmisis water filter that brought the ph
down from 8.5 to 6.4 and the plants seem to responding quite well. Have
a Great weekend!
TOPIC - thanx OT for the straight scoop!
DATE - 09:28:23 8/08/99
FROM - ph
nfm
TOPIC - recycled soil
DATE - 09:27:59 8/08/99
FROM - Vic High
Hey Budm, it was a about a year later that I noticed my recycled soil started
to collapse. We follow alot of the same
patterns when it comes to rebuilding it like mixing new soil with old soil.
One thing I did was also recycle the plant
material by composting the stems and leaves. Keep everything as self contained
as possible, haha. How do you water,
or I mean what is your watering style? Do you water till run off? Leach
periodically? or leach the soil between batches?
Just trying to get a handle on this. I want to return to recycling the
soil again now that mites are also wiped out.
Oh yeah, those mite eggs can last quite a while in the soil, hehe Noticed
yesterday that some of the monkey flowers
(Mimulus) on the balcony have mites. I think I will try soap here first,
something about spraying pesticides on native
plants seems wrong ;) Honey suckles took a beating this year fromn the
aphids. Couldn't get enough lady beetle and
syrphid fly larvae on them to make a difference.
Ahh what a nice lazy Sunday.
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:23:36 8/08/99
FROM - oldtimer1
ph take a look at this
http://www.marijuana.com/ubb/Forum20/HTML/000089.html
Link: downer
TOPIC - lol soul :)-~
DATE - 07:20:30 8/08/99
FROM - anon
nfm
TOPIC - Pros & Cons
DATE - 04:45:10 8/08/99
FROM - Soul
"If 'con' is the opposite of 'pro', it's only logical that Congress is
the opposite of Progress."
TOPIC - censorship
DATE - 01:55:02 8/08/99
FROM - anon
even if that bill becomes law the courts will rule it unconstitutional
based on the first amendment right to free speech....
also, it would be easy enough to arrange to have your server in a foreign
country ie. .to (tonga) or canada or someplace
in europe. makes me wonder about the congress if they are so stupid that
they don't know it's unconstitutional, and
with the global nature of the internet completely unenforceable.
TOPIC - censorship ...
DATE - 18:47:58 8/07/99
FROM - trelaway
I dunno if I'd worry too much about the information censorship bill--the
CRTC (canada's info cops) took a serious look at
monitoring/filtering the net and found the job ridiculously big.
On the bright side, if it went thru, according to Ron Bennett, DARE would
have to take down its web site too. That'd be
funny.
Seriously tho, kiddie porn remains an issue and LEO has been actively chasing
it for a while.
TOPIC - pffffsssssttttt.....manganese???
DATE - 14:54:26 8/07/99
FROM - ph
duudz...I have a Black and White screen and I totally thought that was
a killer new Verigated strain! Haaaaaaa!.....
On a more serious note, Tough Battles ahead with that stupid legislation!
...and, I don't have details, but a Cali person, (I think a Female) with
a Medi script got the shaft from Feds. on Friday
(they don't give a fuck about the state laws), I believe she was a grower/self
medicator. Argghhh!!!!!
Overgrow!
TOPIC - Excellent.
DATE - 13:48:50 8/07/99
FROM - Psycho
OT1, your analysis is excellent. Since I use a flushable reusable hydroponic
medium, I often do not consider lockout.
It's foliar feeding time now.
TOPIC - Correct Link To The Post Below
DATE - 13:18:02 8/07/99
FROM - Budm
Sorry for the Error, heres the link..
Link: Marijuana News-- Pendin Bill a/b www MJ Info.
TOPIC - Check this news out
DATE - 13:10:25 8/07/99
FROM - Budm
theres a bill pending that would make it a Federal felony, to have a net
sight helping provide info to grow MJ,or even a
site that has links to grow info, they are trying to pass it under the
joint guise, of outlawing information to make
Methamphemitne, heres the link where I read it.
http://www.marijuananews.com/marijuananews_special_bullitin.htm
Man thats some real BS, the little bit of freedom we have is being made
punishable with a fed offence, lets hope they
amend this bill, I can see curtailing the info to set up meth labs, but
to grow a inocent harmlees medicinal plant,
come-on, this is censorship, there are other countries in the world giving
there people more freedom, while ours
continues to reduce peoples freedoms. at this rate the US will be more
like Russia and Russia will be more like the old
US was. Somthings really wrong govt. Next they will make it illegal to
publish mags and books about MJ, Look out Ed
R you might be getting fed time soon!!!
Peace
TOPIC - A Compost Q
DATE - 12:33:35 8/07/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All, went to the garden shop today, theres a great one walking distance,
they have incresed there orgainc's recently,
they have bags of "Cotton Boll Compost" Im sure nothing compares with home
made compost, but thats not feseable,
anyone know if this is a good product? Also any one ever use "Feather Meal"
as a amendment? Moving 4 beautifull
Sensi Stars into the flower closet tommrow, for once the biggest and best
looking is a female;-)) This makes room for
new 2gal pots in the veg closet, and mixing up recycled with fresh Super
Soil, with considerations being made for
depletions, by adding extra Bonemeal,Bloodmeal, Composted Manure(cow),
and finally found "Fritted trace Minerals",
its such a un-exact process, some of the soil is 8 monthas old, but the
Gals still are doing as well as they did from the
get-go.
Pulled down another Peak19F2 this one went 56 days, these are wonderfull,
the taste as soon as they dry is the
sweetest Ive tasted of a un-cured strain so far, they are going to be real
nice after curing. Also took down a RSBsup
grown in a 2liter soda bottle, yielded about 90grams wet! Strange looking
tops reminds me of "Coral Polyps" from my
salt water tank, the kind of bright orange coral that opens at night, real
strange looking rounded tops.
Yall have a nice weekend;-)
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:52:35 8/07/99
FROM - oldtimer1
If it had been Fe def the veins would have remained green rather like Mg
but only on the new leaves. To much Fe can
also lock up Mn but my bet is still on an excess of Mg.
It has turned into a sunny evening here, Iím going to sit in my garden
with a glass of Glenmorangie and my pipe, a
good weekend to you all. Ot1
TOPIC - reused soil
DATE - 06:44:09 8/07/99
FROM - Vic High
thanks guys for coming back to this. I'll have to study up on manganese.
I hope to finally get this answered once and
for all so it can be added as an example of a specific nutrient deficiency
on a nutrient deficiency page. Our community
needs one of those, haha. Sorry about the fuzzy pic, it's actually not
that bad but I forced the size and shape of the
picture block a while back on this page so by forcing it to fit it distorted
it. Back to dirt, OT, I did a side by side a while
back in the 10 gals. The recylced soil had only been used once and the
only prep done to it was that I bulled the stump
and replaced it with a fresh clone. I watered the new dirt with straight
water from start to finish but watered the recycled
soil with 5-1-1 fish ferts now and then up to about 1-2 weeks of flower.
Plant was romulan. There was no significant
difference in yield or visual health. So reusing once had no ill effects.
However, OT is right, with the dirt batch shown above, the soil had been
through a few cycles and new stuff had been
added each cycle. Dolomite was added at 1/3 strength each time to offset
the calcium consumed by the plant and the
tendancy of the pH to drift downwards as the organic medium decomposes.
What is strange is that my pH never
moves from 6.5. Tap water was even 6.5, haha, a hydro growers paradise,
hehe. Epsom salts were used rarely in soil
rebuilds because I always considered it a quick fix ammendment, it being
a salt. Also, the last batch of water used in
the flush contained H2O2, epsom salts, and a weak fertilizer to hedge my
bets, I think I also added a pinch of iron
sulfate in this case. But I can see the dolomite lime having an accumulated
effect.
However, I think OT touched on the real cause of the nutrient lockout,
not flushing the soil. Because I had to minimize
runoff, the plants were rarely watered to runnoff so a salt buildup may
have occurred (even though I don't fertilize as I
go). Only problem with this idea is that even after sitting out in the
winter rains, plants grown in this dirt still showed
nutrient deficiencies??? BD recently got a g13 cut in this dirt via a friend.
It was a real pale yellowish green colour even
though I fed it with 5-1-1 fish ferts. I should have taken the time to
flush between crops at least.
Anyway, I'll research the manganese, my main goal by posting the pic was
to get feedback on what nutient disorder it
was indicative of. Learning what cause the nute disorder would just be
a bonus :)
TOPIC -
DATE - 03:08:29 8/07/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Haha Psycho I have to admit I had some doubts about zinc and had enlarged
the jpeg to look at the growing tip my
eyesight is not what it was and the screenís small. Yes there is some leaf
distortion but the tips are perfect with the
start of green coming this still says manganese to me. If it was a combination
problem with the zinc just coming in I
would have expected the tips to have dieback and hooks even at that small
size, as zinc chlorosis start at the leaf tips
then the edges and works the way in. I have to admit that I have never
seen this problem on an indica as I mainly grow
satís or sat hybrids so they may not respond in the same way, they seem
much more sensitive and respond faster to
deficiencies than indicaís. [see 7/26/99 post] ==> Vic said he was using
recycled soil and the plant was blueberry well
every plant has a threshold need for specific nutrients. His soil mix is
rich and cant be deficient in any nutrients but he
could have one in excess that would lock up manganese and this would be
magnesium. So as a guess, I suspect he
added additional Epson salts and maybe dol lime when he reused the compost.
That the problem was resolved by
flushing sort of clinches it for me.
If I saw that symptom and where I growing hydro well yes I would add additional
Zn Mn Fe.
But with soil or soil peat mixes I think it is a mistake to add more of
something to compensate for an imbalance in the
potting mix rather than trying redress the problem! Vic flushing the soil
was a good first move IMHO. We talked about
reusing compost a while back, personally I feel it should stacked out doors
for the winter so the rain can flush the salt
build up slowly and allow the micro flora to break down the old root residues
and regain a balanced population and start
working on the humus again. This helps to overcome single crop soil sickness
to some extent. It is much better to
grow another crop in it before reusing it for puff. Crop rotation does
good things for yield and the health of plants come
to that building the fertility of soil or compost. I think that compost
reusers that try adding new things to replace the
things used up by the previous crop, should think about this! It would
be interesting to test a half half grow of identical
clones using new and reused compost as test
It is interesting that hemp grows best in natural soil with a ph range
6.5 to 7.5 with no deficiencies problems what so
ever! This ph band also gives the best weights per hectare of seed or bast
fibre, this seems to go contrary to the
general attitude of cannabis growers any ideas why??
Psycho thanks for giving me something to muse on this wet Saturday morning, time for another puff!!!
All the best Ot1
TOPIC - friends inquiring
DATE - 03:07:55 8/07/99
FROM - G-note
hey there i'm new to this stuff.
Looking for a good system (chart) , of food/ratio/growth- stages for water
born girls.
as well as some new girls in and around the bc area
that are producing good amounts.
thanks i hope you understand what i mean.
TOPIC - fun to stab at
DATE - 22:57:33 8/06/99
FROM - hand
how it works.
one hermy=no genetic diversity
two hermys=genetic diversity
plants can't make new jeens like us.
a roomful and your pantsed.plants normally can't spontaniously create new
genetic material to work with
TOPIC -
DATE - 18:14:40 8/06/99
FROM - MontanaBoy
Can the experts here take a look at these pictures and tell me if this
is weed? TIA
http://www.cannabinoid.com/wwwboard/binaries/messages/1789.shtml
http://www.cannabinoid.com/wwwboard/binaries/messages/1788.shtml
TOPIC - OT1, now, now...
DATE - 15:55:56 8/06/99
FROM - Psycho
Now, now, look at those tips in the apical meristem cutting at right angles
halfway up their lengths? That's zinc
deficiency in my book.
It can be tough to distinguish iron from manganese, so I erred with caution.
I too suspected, since the whole leaf is not
yellow, and it has that halo effect. But, since all three often occur together
due to a too base water supply,
I just went with the whole enchalada.
Nice to speak to you again, we have crossed, albeit I have changed monikers.
May life be kind to you. Grow hard.
TOPIC - GreenyellowRed
DATE - 14:15:47 8/06/99
FROM - Ras Tal
Wait until most of the little white hairs have turned red.
TOPIC - KGB
DATE - 13:25:40 8/06/99
FROM - Budm
Hi Bro, Sorry I did not reply sooner, I got it, and will handle it tommrow,
Ill email ya as well, have a great weekend
everyone;-))
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 11:08:37 8/06/99
FROM - GreenyellowRed
What is the ideal time to harvest the bud off your Plant????
thanks
TOPIC - Budm - what gives?
DATE - 11:05:02 8/06/99
FROM - KGB
Hey bro -
Sent that addy again...dunno if it got through cause I
didn't hear back from you. Is you UK address functioning?
Lemme know and if necessary I'll send it again..and again.
K
TOPIC - Auto Flowering
DATE - 10:24:19 8/06/99
FROM - Danbo
Your buddy gave you a strain with Ruderallis in it or a pure strain. It
finishes in about 12 weeks reguardless of
the photo period. It's great for colder hemispheres where the growing season
is short. Most have found it had to work
as you can't clone it. Also the potency leaves some to be desired.
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:21:45 8/06/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Psycho its the best photo of manganese deficancy I've ever seen!!!!!! There
are no signs of iron or zinc probs though.
TOPIC - Seeds to hydro, what starting medium?
DATE - 09:49:21 8/06/99
FROM - Baudelaire
The peat pot thread got me thinking again about techniques for growing
seedlings intended for vegging in a hydro setup.
The reason I have experimented with peat pots and pellets to begin with
is that I needed a medium to germ and grow
out seedlings that could later be transplanted into net cups or large aggregate
mediums like lava rock or hydrocorn.
Peat pots and pellets seem to come close to the solution of providing a
fine medium for seedling germ and early growth
that can contain the fine medium when placed in hydro, so that the fine
particles are not washed into the hydro solution
where they can cause problems. Not the perfect solution, but close.
What does everyone else do? Rockwool/oasis I know, but hate the non-recyclability
and specialty growshop nature of
those products. So, barring those, any other ideas? Clones aren't a problem,
I can clone straight into large aggregate
mediums as fast as any aero-cloner west of the Pecos......But seedlings
challenge me.
B420
TOPIC - what is it?????
DATE - 09:05:02 8/06/99
FROM - Dee
i started seeds i got from our reg bag guy. He said they were from good
stuff but doesnt have a name. These plants
started flowering while still under 24hr flo lights. Before they were even
a month old. Isnt this a unusual thing to have
happen?? It was very easy to catch the males before any fertilization took
place. The girls have very long while hairs.
Very compact already at the tops and i see hairs coming out all the way
down the main stem. We are trying the SOG
method for the first time. Can anyone give me an idea of what strain i
may have here??????
TOPIC - female tokers
DATE - 08:23:01 8/06/99
FROM - Heidi
Any chicks who smoke weed and want to share some good high times?
TOPIC - A rose, by any other name...?
DATE - 08:22:40 8/06/99
FROM - Soul
Your posts are always clearly you, you're right...it works. Nice strategy
old friend - KUDOS!
TOPIC - oh,..you got us thinkin'...
DATE - 08:17:58 8/06/99
FROM - perp
....but it depends on what the meaning of is, is.
.......sorry, couldn't resist! Ha!
Happy Friday!
TOPIC - Soul
DATE - 07:24:48 8/06/99
FROM - F2
only those that know, notice. so the shapeshifting serves its intended
purpose :-)
TOPIC - I Need a Remedial Speed Reading Course!
DATE - 05:33:40 8/06/99
FROM - Soul
Sorry "F2"...I DID read it too fast, you're quite right! The selfed plant's
offspring would exhibit more "resessive traits"
exactly because there is less genetic diversity and consequently increasing
the probability of resessive genes
recombining.
Hopefully we got folks thinking at least.
You're into "shapeshifting" lately I notice - why the continual name changes?
TOPIC - Help that seedling!
DATE - 21:42:31 8/05/99
FROM - Psycho
Would someone please give that poor plant in the picture some iron, zinc,
and manganese? Eeeekkk! Down ph, down!
TOPIC - Soul;not to put too fine a joint on it
DATE - 16:23:43 8/05/99
FROM - F2
Soul, i think you might have missed the context of my remarks, buddy:
in the phrase, "This is ESPECIALLY true", the pronoun "this" refers to
the statement in the preceding sentence, "some
of them will show alot of genetically recessive...traits", thus yielding
the following content:
"selfed" F2s are especially likely to show recessive traits (and mutations),
due to the especially limited gene pool and
mutagenic stresses of the selfing process.
your point is well-taken about the greater genetic diversity in a heterozygous
pairing, but my point was a bit different,
focussing more on the actual process of selfing.
vive la difference.
TOPIC - Nice explanation F2...
DATE - 12:53:41 8/05/99
FROM - Soul
Please let me edit one thing though:
A selfed plant's F2 generation would tend toward LESS, not more variation.
That's because there are fewer distinct
genes to recombine than in the case of a sister/brother cross which combines
the genes from TWO of the original
combinations of parental genetics.
TOPIC - ATTN BUDM
DATE - 12:35:02 8/05/99
FROM - KGB
You've got mail.
KGB
TOPIC - Vic-Big John - KGB - SB & OT1
DATE - 09:29:07 8/05/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
Vic- Check email.
Big John- Im not sure what a "retarded" stone is, but a strong non cerebal
Indica like a Afagani might be waht your
looking for, Ive heard one of the best Afganis on the market
is Home Grown Fantasys, its been refined for the past decade and yields
great results. HTH
KGB- That email with your addy never made it, resend when you can.
SB- Thanks;-)) I have a feeling those eggs will recieve lots of action,
especially the one with the DTHF in it, as the old
SSSC and SB genetics, command a lot of intrest.
OT1- Reply has been sent, Thanks;-)
Peace
TOPIC - seeds
DATE - 08:19:13 8/05/99
FROM - Big John
Thanks F2
I have grown NL with good results and also this year bubble berry that
is fine so-far.Im looking for that super high or
as I stated before THE RETARDED STONE.I thought some one out there could
tell me what they would
recommend?Also still looking to get a reply about OIL as asked in my previous
post. Thanks again
TOPIC - spud, Big John, mycorrhizal stuff
DATE - 07:39:57 8/05/99
FROM - F2
spud, the "how to" (gibb. acid, light deprivation, severe pruning, etc)
i will leave to others. but the results, well i can give
you a few parameters...
you may have heard about the high degree of variation that you get in F2
generations (the first "inbred" generation).
unless you happen to have a "stabilized" or true-breeding strain, this
is definitely TRUE: one tends to see alot of
different forms, levels of vigor, growth and maturing rates, and potency,
among the F2s. some of them will show alot of
genetically recessive (as opposed to "dominant") traits, and it's possible
that no 2 plants will be alike in phenotype.
this is ESPECIALLY true of "selfed" F2's, since the gene pool is that of
a single plant, and additionally the plant has
been significantly stressed to produce the seeds in the first place (stress
is mutagenic). the process is not equivalent
to cloning your mother plant. if you have alot of seeds, you will probably
get plenty of variety, but whether you will see a
repeat of the "hell chronic" mother plant is up in the air. with more seeds
you'll stand a better chance.
plus, you will get an inkling of what the parentage of your mother plant
was: the parental phenotypes usually manifest
themselves in the forms of the F2 generation.
unfortunately (for cubing purposes), your offspring are likely to be 100%
female. at some point you need to bring in a
male with the right genetics to produce a breeding pool...
definitely save your original plant in clone; it's VERY VERY unlikely to
cube back to an exact "duplicate" of the original
mom.
Big John, check out the various products on offer on-line. be aware that
you get what you pay for; cheap seeds will
yield acceptable quality most of the time, but if you want really primo
buds you have to buy the expensive seeds. btw,
dr. greenthumbs (or whoever sells "niagara") is producing seeds that are
bred for your region...
myco-stuff: read a fascinating article about tropical leaf-cutter ants
and their underground "food-fungus farms", where
they use symbiotic streptomyces (antiboitic-producing) bacteria to combat
parasitic mold infestation of their
"monoculture" fungus crops. pretty amazing stuff!
nytimes, tues aug 3rd, "science times" section: i'd post a link, but they
want you to pay to purchase this article, when
it could be found in millions of recycling bins across america! yeah, right!
"OverGrow the Govt!"
TOPIC -
DATE - 21:47:12 8/04/99
FROM - Spud
Had only 1 seed of a hell chronic strain, successfully germinated. But
with respect to breeding, I will not be able to
cube to get back to original parent genotype. What are the scientific principles
governing selfing? I was thinking of
cloning her (I think it will be female because it was an isolated seed
in a crop of females which probably derived from a
stray male flower) a few times and applying Gibb. acid to one of the heads
to promote male flower growth and then use
the pollen to cross with a female of the same strain. But is this still
inbreeding? Because I thought inbreeding was
crossing two plants that were slightly genetically different, but of the
same strain, but these are clones of the exact
same plant.
Basically, I want input from as many experts out there as to what sort
of genetic working can be accomplished when
you only have the one genotype to work with. Is it still possible to cube
or does crossing two plants of the same
genotype yield plants of exactly the same genotype or does any genetic
recombination occur? Will the best I can
come up with in trying to replicate the original parent be to clone?
Thanks in advance.
TOPIC - Vic, food for thought...
DATE - 21:24:04 8/04/99
FROM - Da Man
Well, I thought you might like to glance at the thread New World Order,
in the Shark tank. You see, I share your
sentiment that it would be sad to condemn Jay if he is legit. Something
is not right about him.
Take a lookee at that last entry he made, right above webfish, where he
claims to have heard chatter about
fullmetaljacket having run a scam called Sunny's Seedbank,
and everyone who ordered got ripped off. Well, I do not believe FMJ has
ever used that moniker before the past week or
two. We know who Sunny is, for christ's sake!
I do not know... when he posted at Seedbanks that Danbo was ditzing NCGA,
when he had clearly complimented
them...
something just is not right about this guy. I suppose it is possible that
a Spookbuster author created this story about
FMJ for whatever reason...
Something isn't right. I do not have the ability to communicate with the
people you do. What decision have you all
reached, if any, about this guy Jay?
Sorry all for cluttering with this off-topic stuff, I guess it will be
deleted if it is unacceptable.
TOPIC - Hi all
DATE - 21:01:20 8/04/99
FROM - Big John
Hey folks Im a virgin to this sight.I found it one month ago and have be
checking it out every night,Im on my PC.I have
visited many sight and this is the only one I have bookmarked now.It has
it all........Im from SOUTHWESTERN Ontario
Canada.And have been growing for 12 years out/in doors.Cant say enough
about the help this sight has given
me.Thanks again
Here now is a few Questions ...
(1)What would a few of you recommend for a good,easy to grow
seed for Indoors.There are lots of them on here but Im looking for a good
yield and a wicked almost retarded high(hehe)
and most of all a stain that is hardy and easy to grow???I would take any
or all feedback ..Thanks
(2)Can I get a recipe how to make Oil But not the butane one Im talking
for a pound or so...Also how do you make
honey,cherry and or hash oil???whats the difference??
Thanks folks and I hope to get as much feedback as possible..Big John
TOPIC - Budm - please confirm
DATE - 19:50:56 8/04/99
FROM - KGB
Did you receive my addy? Lemme know if all's well at my usual email location.
Thanks bro,
KGB
TOPIC - Budm
DATE - 18:30:51 8/04/99
FROM - sb
Budm
Message rec'd and I'll make sure that that happens tomorro.
TOPIC - no kidding in my tv
DATE - 18:29:46 8/04/99
FROM - cedartop
bro, gotta thing you might be wrong i threw my out the window and didnt
see anyone come out of it. lol, thanks i
needed a laugh tonight
TOPIC - jack
DATE - 17:36:14 8/04/99
FROM - 180
yes, jack, it's all true. in fact, they are inside your tv set and watching
you every day when you watch the simpsons
re-runs! you best watch yourself!
be safe little buddy!
TOPIC - is it true?
DATE - 14:49:47 8/04/99
FROM - jack
I hear that heavens stairways is a big F.B.I. thing and that they will
get you if you order seeds is it true?
TOPIC - Pots, Pucks, & Schmucks
DATE - 13:13:15 8/04/99
FROM - Curious George
Peat Pots might be useful for some folks, depending on the soil mix they
contain. They certainly don't break down
when transplanted into outdoor gardens. Only a tap root can break through
the bottom, and removing the bottom prior
to transplant risks damage to the root. They may have an advantage over
thin plastic cups as far as insulation from
temp. extremes, but any foam cup can do that, and do even bettter if they
are doubled-up.
As for Jiffy-7 "hockey-pucks", they can work very well, depending on the
PH tolerence of the plant or sprout.
Sometimes they can work fine, and other times sprouted seeds just sit there
and die. I suspect that PH and
temperature are the culprits, but am not sure. At any rate, here's the
way we used to do it: Take a piece of aluminum
foil and cut into rough squares of about 4 inches on a side. Then place
them on a soft cloth or towel and put7 or 8
holes in the middle of each with a toothpick. Then place a Jiffy-7 that
has been soaked in warm water ( maybe with a
little extra nutrient and some limestone ) and put it in the center of
a prepared piece of foil and fold up the edges to form
a tin cup around the ball of peat. Plants can grow up to a foot and more
in this kind of container, and can be watered
from the top or the bottom. A root ball forms around the inside of the
"cup", and they transplant very well, especially if
given a little jolt of
commercial transplant stuff.
Sending Any kind of threat to a judge or officer of the court ( prosecuters
), or posting messages of incitement to do
such things, is pure stupidity! For one thing, they will come after you
with both barrels. A-1's troubles will be small
change compared to what will happen to anyone caught threatening judges,
prosecuters or other public officials. The
Other Big Reason to avoid even the Appearance of condoning such tactics
is that there are Still government agents
who are charged with stirring up trouble and provoking people so they can
place them in the trick-bag. It happens all
the time with "hate" groups and websites, and I'm Sure they are doing the
very same thing in the Enviormental and
Hemp movements.
"Agent Provocateurs" are a very old tactic, and were used very effectively
against the anti-war movement and the civil
rights movement. Beware.
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:09:49 8/04/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Baudelaire and sb are you talking about jiffy 7's I have a friend who produces
rare tomato plants useing them, over a
million a year useing seed and cuttings and recons losses are less than
1%. I was going to give them a try I'm not so
sure now are these the same things? Specificaly made for capillary matting
and must never be top watered?
Budm Mail call!!!!!
All the best Ot1
TOPIC - 2 cents on peats and pucks
DATE - 10:22:10 8/04/99
FROM - sb
I agree that peat cups work quite well, however I find them wholly unnecessary
unless one is overly apprehensive
reguarding transplanting.
The "hockey pucks" SUCK! (IMHO) I had a bad experience with them drying
out once with some expensive beans and
never again......ok ok so it was probably my fault, but still
I'm an advocate of starting beans directly in the soil/media that will
contain them throughout their growth......paper
towels and all that crap..BAHHH HUMBUG
TOPIC - Peat pots
DATE - 09:39:03 8/04/99
FROM - Baudelaire
Peat pots work great for seedlings and clones as long as you don't let
them dry out. The peat tends to wick the
moisture out of the soil pretty fast. After drowning more than my share
of beans in plastic cups and soggy soil, I've
come to appreciate the fast drying of peat pots. I use a vermiculite/perlite/soil
mix in equal portions for seedlings and
clones, water daily, and just pop the pots into a hydro station when ready
for serious vegging. The pots can restrict root
growth if you don't score the bottoms before planting. I usually rip the
whole bottom right off.
It's another story with the hockey pucks. The peat is too acidic for seeds,
and compresses to soggy muck when
watered. I've had a couple of 0% germs with seeds in the puck-pots. However,
I've had good luck with clones. In a
side-by-side test with clones from the same plant the cuts in peat pots
rooted faster by about 5 days, but the
puck-pots did work, didn't lose a single clone. Either one sure beats the
hell out of rockwool.
B420
TOPIC - SHAGGY and peat pots
DATE - 08:09:14 8/04/99
FROM - KGB
Thanks Perpetual for the tip...Conemarra - yeah, those Jiffy
things are prolly what people were complaining about, not
the other peat pots. Thanks.
SHAGGY - are you still out there? Saw your posts re: SE
Asia weed...I've got a lot of time and experience there.
Let's email...come on back good buddy.
TOPIC - arctostaphylos
DATE - 07:18:53 8/04/99
FROM - Vic High
damn occam, we walk in small circles. I got a chuckle that it was oregon
that put two and two together when it was
BC's UBC that has exploited it with "Vancouver Jade" (their cultivar of
uva ursi).I've been studying something very
similar with a larger artostaphylos species. I think it would make a great
ornamental, however, it's a bitch to propagate.
Good luck finding a seedling. And Fraser Farms and other similar outfits
are lucky to get 5% success with cloning.
With soil from the natural plant's location, I've been able to substantially
improve the cloning rate but am still far off
anything commercially viable.
TOPIC - peat pots
DATE - 05:19:04 8/04/99
FROM - Connemarra
just don't use those jiffy "hockey puck" pots with the mesh around them,
they are not friendly to seedlings and clones.
TOPIC - KGB...peat pots...
DATE - 23:06:15 8/03/99
FROM - Perpetual Harvest
I use'm, I swear by them!!!....Their FINE for seedlings, PH neutral and
break down fine,..... I also expose them to 2
weeks plus of 100% Humidity in my cloning rig, an' they are stable for
more than 2 weeks plus! These are handy for
space saving (during Veg. state) also, depending on your Whole set-up and
needs.
Clone forth and Multiply, ph
TOPIC - Flushing, and peat pots
DATE - 22:20:16 8/03/99
FROM - KGB
Howdy ho -
Ok, since no one's answering my question on adpc, thought I'd ask the good
folks here. Thus: is one week of flushing
adequate for clearing the girls of all/most nutes? I usually do two and
find that's enough, but I have to speed things up
here.
Also: peat pots...they looked so cute and convenient right there on the
shelves at Home De Pot, so I picked up a pack.
But wait: are they safe for seedlings? I've heard rumors of pH and break
down-ability problems. Please speak, old wise
ones.
KGB
TOPIC - mycorrhizal fungi/inoculation
DATE - 22:07:07 8/03/99
FROM - occam
A nurseryman in Oregon improved the rooting percentage of Arctostaphylos
uva-ursi `Massachusetts` (Kinnickinnik v.)
from 75% to 95% by inoculating the rooting medium with a solution made
from water and mycorrhizal roots.
Roots & water were liquified in a kitchen blender; this mixture was
applied to the rooting medium. Cuttings examined in
6-8 weeks showed definite improvement in root system development and overall
health. Losses in establishment after
potting up were also significantly reduced.
>>There are many facts yet to be known, such as which particular mycorrhizal
fungus is best for a specific plant, and
the most economic and effective way for the propagator to culture and apply
the treatment. There seems little benefit in
providing inocula for plants that are easy to root...<<
from "Plant Propagation for Nursery Growers"
by Bruce Macdonald.
This deals with propagating, specifically, but I hope it helps.
TOPIC - Fungi
DATE - 21:43:59 8/03/99
FROM - Strider
Hey...All...! George...... I've heard of phototrons but dont really know
the workings of them. But you can be sure
someone does! maybe they will reply and let us know!
Budm......Oldy who's mouldy.......hibe. thanks for the input. I have a
tendency to jump into things that intrest me
enthusiasticly. kind of like a dog on scent! I don't expect any miracles
out of the mycorrhizae but.. if they can give my
plants a little edge in the stress department. Perhaps provide a little
more efficent nutrient uptake and enhance root
health thats a lot. It would more than earn them a spot in my soil provided
they can be cultivated from previous grows
without a lot of hassel.
I wish I knew a little more botany than I do. I still havent got it clear
in my mind, or been able to find any specific
reference as to whether the mycellium around the root of a living plant
can be broken up and put into contact with the
root of another plant and infect that root system. or does the infection/innoculation
only occur thru spores? how long
will mycellium live after the host is dead? the diff species in the order
glomales get thier carbohydrates from the host.
They cant produce thier own food. Oh well I need to go to the library anyway...
I'm curious too George!
Strider.....
TOPIC - A-1 Update
DATE - 18:25:18 8/03/99
FROM - Danbo
Wiliam Panzer is now offically A-1 defence attorney. It seems $3000.00
was the down payment on the retainer. It is
$10,000 total. The balance will be made in payments. If and when it goes
to trail , it will cost about $20,000.00.
Mr. Panzer is excepting the donations and placing them in a trust fund
for A-1's defence. Please keep all receipts of
the money orders so proof and tracking is possible. Mr. Panzer has already
been receiving funds,
There's been talk on the net of sending the judges and prosecuters threatening
letters. Please don't. This is terrorism
and LEO will be breathing down A-1's neck and will
be looking for who's responsible. If you have concerns or wish to show
your support or outrage over this situation ,
please do so in cordial manner. We most certainly don't need them more
in his shit than already evident.
TOPIC - ounce a week
DATE - 15:37:06 8/03/99
FROM - to blunt
nfm
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:10:04 8/03/99
FROM - BLUNT
How much do yall smoke a day?
TOPIC - sb
DATE - 12:36:21 8/03/99
FROM - Budm
yes sb thats good.
Peace
TOPIC - mycorrhizae
DATE - 12:06:45 8/03/99
FROM - hibe
I bought mycorrhizae from Bio-Organics(www.bio-organics.com) and have been
dabbling with it for alittle while
now.Results seem to be inconclusive as to its benefits,but things like
stress tolerance and healthier happier plants are
kinda hard to accurately measure.Yes, its true about the fact that its
not supposed to be disturbed by tilling,and that it
may not benefit short-term crops.Its like a spider web,run your trowel
through it and see how effective it is;)The action
of the mycorrhizae is that it grows its threads throughout the soil(explores
hundreds of times more soil area),but tilling
breaks up the network that it builds,and disables it.So, in the case of
table growers or outdoor people,it is possible to
do.Its a different way to manage your grow op, but could be very beneficial,environmentally
friendly too.
Micorrhizae is abundant in the forest floor-it is the network that ties
all the forest plants together ,to allocate nutrients to
each plant,as required. Nitrogen to grow a new fern will be provided through
the myco-network,not just the immediate
soil.
It is recommended that you use way less fertilizer,and that it be provided
through top-dress-not cultivation of the
soil.(like a forest huhh?-now you can imagine why clearcutting the woods
is a bad idea-dead forest floor)
AF reports much more active phototropism and "unbelievable" drought tolerance(greenhouse/pots).I`ve
only been able
to notice extreme health on the experiments Ive used it on.
It wasn`t expensive that i remember(bio-organics.com).The myco i got was
a powder that you did a root dip of small
plants(rooted cuts),and planted.It must be applied to the roots.I`ve used
it on Cabbage and lettuce also,and they got
HUGE.(i realize that is inconclusive,but info nonetheless)
GoodLuck hibe
TOPIC - Budm
DATE - 10:55:20 8/03/99
FROM - sb
Hey Bro, is this e-addy valid?
mmiester@bigfoot.com
if not just drop me a line from your preferred addy
tia
sb
TOPIC - Budm
DATE - 10:54:19 8/03/99
FROM - sb
Hey Bro, is this e-addy valid?
mmiester@bigfoot.com
if not just drop me a line from your preferred addy
tia
sb
TOPIC - strider
DATE - 08:28:30 8/03/99
FROM - old moldy
yes to all questions. been following the mycorhizae thread here and at
other boards for a couple years now, and have
investigated these products somewhat.
caveat: these fungi may not thrive in a high-nutrient (i.e. "hot") soil
or medium, such as herb-growers tend to use.
however, this is untested on my part. *a call to a manufacturer suggests
this is not true, that reasonable fert levels will
not harm the organism in question (streptomycetes).
Pro-Mix (peat-based hort. mix containing peat, perl, verm, lime, wetting
agent) is available pre-inoculated with a
proprietary mycorhizal culture (i think they call it "Myco-rise").
search for this info on the web; i know the manufacturer of pro-mix has
a website...
*there are also "bacterial" (streptomycete) inoculants available; these
are weird, sort of in between bacteria and fungi;
they form the symbiotic "mycellium" around the roots, though. product called
"actinovate", haven't seen it in awhile but
it used to be available. (mfg by Natural Industries, p.o.box 692075-219,
houston, tx 77269)
this would need to be incorporated into the cloning mix; used in a transplanting
mix it wouldn't have enough time to get
well-enough established around the roots to do any good...
i believe it might have been vic who mentioned a product here called "myco-stop",
for the prevention of pythium. this
product had many of the characteristics of these other inoculants.
whether or not you would see big results from using any of these products
is anybody's guess. they probably would
improve plant health and hardiness, but they are fairly expensive and hard
to obtain if you aren't in the horticulture
business. i imagine that a mix of compost and humus could give you similar
results, but there you are dealing with
possible pathogens and parasites as well as the good bugs, so you 'd have
to protect your clones with antifungals,
which would defeat the purpose. tough call!
if you do use an inoculant, post the info and results!
good harvests to ya
TOPIC - Strider
DATE - 23:02:57 8/02/99
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
Strider- I found that post very intresting, I have wondered about the symbotic
relationships between, fungi, bacteria, and
the roots, in the uptake of nutes/minerials processed by them. Please be
sure to follow up with your results. TIA
Peace
TOPIC - Of Feds and Fungi
DATE - 22:47:06 8/02/99
FROM - Curious George
Sorry to hear about the bust.
We'll try to help out sometime soon. Posting the contact info. for the
attorney was probably a good move. Once the
first lump sum is banked, most attorneys, and many witnesses, get paid
on the installment plan.
As for that shuckster who wanted to collect his own donations, remember
the old line that goes "To live outside the
law, you must be honest."
The seed donation thing is a nice touch. I'll make a contribution regardless of whether any beans are happening.
The link to the search warrant wouldn't open. Drat.
The Feds have their own political agenda, and they work with the State
functionaries towards the same end. Dig it:
Serious Crime is at a Very low level. These guys need work! They are more
than willing to make work for themselves to
justify their budget.
A-1 and his attorney should plan early for a press campaign by making contacts
Now. Make lists of press release fax
numbers, news directors at TV stations, producers of morning drive time
radio shows, and newspaper reporters. Do the
same for the Prop. people and other sympathetic groups so that Pickets
can be assured to show up on-cue for the
cameras. Then, send a constant stream of information to the press on a
weekly basis, no more than one page,
updating them on the progress of the case and the state of A-1 & his
Family and constantly reminding them of the
Dates and Times of the various hearings, motions, and such. That way, they
can schedule your story on their list of
regular events to be covered.
Oh yeah, ... that fungus post. Isn't that the same sort of stuff that is used in those "Phototron" gadgets?
just curious.
TOPIC - Mycorrhizae fungi
DATE - 21:49:18 8/02/99
FROM - Strider
Hey All..! While doing a little research on soils and plant nutrient uptake
ect. I came across the Fungi world. Though
aware of the role bacteria ect, play in plant health/nutrition. I wasn't
aware of the large roll fungi play in the processes of
plant uptake and health. Specificly Mycorrhizae fungi....... (means fungi-root).
Those classed as endomycorrhizae of the order Glomales are the ones that
would benefit veg/herb growers.These little
critters form a symbiotic relationship at the root zone of thier host plant
that aids in nutrient/mineral uptake. I'm sure
that many of you are aware of this although they are not discussed much
on the various boards/grow sites. For those
who are not, a simple search on mycorrhizae will bring up more results
than you can shake 2 sticks at.
Some of the benifits these fungi provide: 1. efectivly increases root nutrient/moisture
zone.
2. Have the ability to process and make availible to the host, minerals/elements
and nutrients that are locked up to the
host root system. especially phosorus uptake.
3. produce antibiotics
4. reduces stress, mycorrhizal association decreases drought stress, yet
increases salt tolerance and root
regeneration.
The list goes on. but you get the idea. reasearch indicates these fungi
do not like being disturbed and normal tillage
methods dramaticly deplete thier numbers. they also do not fair well durring
composting. The heat generated destroys
the living mycorrhizae and damages thier spore. resulting in very low populations
and increasing the time needed to
restore thier numbers to a benifical level. It takes 90 to 120 days of
grow time to insure that spores have been
produced. This presents a problem when growing out 45 and 50 day strains
but could be overcome by using live root
tissue/soil (mycellium).. from a donor pot and mixing this with the soil
being used for the next round of clones. One
could also Use a mother plant over 120 days old as a spore donor. the method
best suited to home growers is to dry
the selected pot throughly and store whole or in as large of pieces as
possible in a sealed tub or plastic bag at 10 to 20
degrees C.
You can also reinoculate using commercial inoculants. These contain several
strains of glomales. I think it would be
better after the first inoculation to reintroduce the resident strain or
strains that have become dominant. As these are
the ones that have prospered and formed a symbiosis with our host herb
and will be in a higher concentration. The
mycorrhizae may not contribute significantly to our plants durring the
veg stage as thier numbers will be low. However
they could contribute significantly durring flowering. I have a desire
to evolve a quality and ballenced soil mix that uses
organic slow release nutients and minerals and is as ideal to the needs
of the herb as possible. I have been
composting and recharging my soil media. Just add plants, lights and water.
these mycorrhizae seem a good tool to
that end.
Have any of you had any experience with these fungi ? Anyone currently
using them now ? I'm going to give them a
shot. Use a control pot or 2 and check root mass/health,
yeild ect. to see if it is worth the effort to cultivate them. They also
grow in hydro and areoponic conditions as these
methods are used commercially to produce the innoculant spores. I didn't
study that end of things as those are not my
methods of choice.
Peace Strider.
TOPIC - Vic
DATE - 17:54:21 8/02/99
FROM - Budm
Vic Thanks, been adding pearlite as I pot new gals, but im going to follow
your advice and buy a PH test, and try to,
run through water, cause as you do, I dont have trys under every pot, so
I also minamize "run through".
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:01:01 8/02/99
FROM - oldtimer1
Vic got your mail and have replied. Could do with a reply soon, got to
sleep now hope to hear from you tomorrow.
All the best Ot1
TOPIC - ncga/A1...and all
DATE - 13:44:57 8/02/99
FROM - del...
ncga, any thoughts you have on what we (ron and/or me) can do are more
than welcome. i have been away for the
weekend and am still going through the horde of posts trying to catch up,
so maybe you have something a little more
concrete regarding your "I personally think del and Ron Should use the
full force to protect THE COMMUNITY"
comment and i have yet to get that to it. if not, please email your suggestions
to me at cancom@yahoo.com or email
ron.
i have given mr. panzer the links to cann.com, weedbase and overgrow where
his name and other personal info has
come up along with an invite to talk to us about whatever he can divulge
concerning this case. at that time, he had only
talked with A1 and had yet to be retained but this was last week. hopefully
things have changed by now...but like i said
above; i just got back and doing a lot of catch up right now.
if you have a list of posts that need immediate attention, send them. others
contact me about offending posts and i
look at those more closely and resolve it as quickly as possible, when
i can.
to all...my main puter is down again so i have limited capabilities until
my tech gets here. please have patience until i
can get it fixed.
the "delete button" for cann.com still works tho...in case the posers are
thinking of having a field day there...
TOPIC - Budm
DATE - 13:36:29 8/02/99
FROM - Vic High
FROM - Budm
DATE - 11:23:59 7/27/99
Vic- I know in the past you mentioned that there was a "build-up" of something
or another after a couple of times
recycling the supersoil, af has been recycling since he started 9 mos ago,
he originally started out with about, 20gals
of supersoil, and over the past 9months has built it up to about 80gals
of mix, most times a recycled pot is mixed with
a equal amount of new ssoil mix, with 25+/- additional amendments, also
over the past 9 months about 10 gals of
castings,have found there way into the overall amount of soil, along with
a few pounds of gaunos,at times Bioblend 2
part organic ferts have been applied, and reciently EJ Catylast has been
used every other watering, also used one pack
of Blossom Blood, anyhow, although its a very abstract picture of the auctual
precise make up of the medium, it
sounds like a nice mix of diffrent amendments at diffrent ages,and degrees
of decomposition, as of late hes been giving
some thought as to where to go from here, and what to be "on the lookout
for" with a few diffrent genetics, that each
vary in vigor, and nute needs, hes decided to ask "Where would you go from
here?"
From: Vic
Budm - complex question, hehe. My reasoning for for recycling the soil
was from the concept that a farmer doesn't
throw out his fields each winter. He recycles them, hehe. One thing a farmer
has that I didn't use is good flushing. One
poor part of my setup is inadaquat flushing between waterings and between
crops. I wasn't setup to catch lots of water
coming out the pot bottoms, so I tried to minimize this. Therefore, even
though I'm organic, I think I was suffering a salt
buildup. I think if you address this, this will serve you best in keeping
your soil healthy. Other than that, keeping mental
tabs on your NPK ratios as you add ammendmants should keep you on track.
I would also keep tabs on the pH
because as the lime is used up and organics break down, there will be a
tendancy for the pH to drift downwards. There
will also be a tendancy for the soil to compact as more amendments are
added, so adding sand and perlite from time
to time will help maintain a healthy consistancy. Hope this is in the right
direction :)
Link: A1's legal defence updates
TOPIC - A-1 Donations...
DATE - 12:28:39 8/02/99
FROM - Perp
Vic, Dan, NC, nl420, et al,
You Guys ROCK!
Can't seem to Post @ C/E (Overgrow) where it counts, didn't think I could
do shit for A-1, (bucks'r'tight) but the
AUCTION'S perfect, anyway I got basics for Auction;
#10 "Sensi" Skunk classic from Sly.
#10 M/K from sly.
... an' how 'bout cuttings? If the breeder doesn't mind? I can offer to
two bidders, (2) Cuts each of "Genius" and
"C88"......
"do I hear 50,50,50......55,55....Now 60...can I get 65, 65...........Ha!
Vic Bro, keep me posted on how to go forth and handle the details, I can't
make sense of all the "Garble" and
static......glad to send some cuttings or seeds to HIGH bidders, Ha!
E-me @ perpetual_harvest@mindless.com
Pray for A-1 and family and all the P.O.W.s in this stupid war!
ph
TOPIC - vic
DATE - 01:47:42 8/02/99
FROM - irish
you have mail.
TOPIC - Skunky Buds
DATE - 17:26:55 8/01/99
FROM - Budm
Hi all,
Skunky- af has a couple of Nevils Haze (F2s) going now they seem to ony
as demanding as anthing else hes grown so
far. Ill update ya as they get into flower HTH.
Vic- When you get a spare moment, can you scroll down and read my post
regaurding the super soil, the post was on
the 27th, just below you introduction post about A1s legal prolbem. Thanks;-))
Peace
TOPIC - Nevils Haze
DATE - 14:05:20 8/01/99
FROM - Skunkybuds
Nevils Haze is it hard to grow?
TOPIC - for any who are wondering
DATE - 06:21:04 8/01/99
FROM - 180
NCGA's post below refers to our friend and brother in the herb, A-1. he's
being prosecuted in Cali for growing, despite
his med mj scrip, legally obtained under california law.
so some opportunists are soliciting donations in his name, but without
any clear connection to A-1 or his defense
attorney, one must assume that they are rip-offs. now, despite NCGA's protestations,
we ALL KNOW there are plenty
of scumbags out there in marijuana-land. i'm confident that some of you
reading this are real d*ckheads, who would be
glad to take a piece out of my hide (and you can kiss my *ss, hehe). lets'
not be so naive and idealistic, the world's not
perfect.
protect yourselves and check things out before you give anyone your name or your money.
DONATIONS SHOULD ONLY BE SENT TO:
William G. Panzer, Atty.
370 Grand Ave, Suite 3
Oakland, CA 94610
USA
attn: R.W.Defense fund
anyone giving another address for you to send to is a leech, tick, mosquito,
vampire....
TOPIC -
DATE - 02:47:48 8/01/99
FROM - oldtimer1
nc have reposted you to the shark tank at overgrow as the guy posted there
as well!!!!!
Budm you have mail!!
TOPIC - A1
DATE - 20:16:43 7/31/99
FROM - ncga
IT IS UNBELIEVABLE WHAT PEOPLE WILL DO!
Our community is really FUCKED UP. This poster is a sick opportunist. Not
only to take , No steal, money from the
community but to take it from someone in need, fighting to keep their family
and personal freedom. Yes some of the
facts are right but a lot of extras to make it seam real and a tear jerker..
Maybe you feel pot is illegal fine it's a moral
judgment. But in NOBODIES BOOK IS STEALING OK
THE ONLY PLACE MONEY SHOULD GO IS
1 Directly to the Oakland office Addressed to William G Panzer
The above person has deliberately invaded our community and has decided
that it is ok to take money that people
send in to truly help another person they might not have ever meet. Truly
showing a side of the community other don't
think we have. Compassion and a since of justice.
I am truly sicken and Disgusted. Mike even you can look good compared to
this SCUM. At least you were fairly up
front on what you Weren't going to do. This community did all it could
to kept that type of character problem out. WELL
WHAT ARE WE DOING NOW ?
THE ONLY SOURCE OF INFORMATION FROM NOW ON WILL COME FROM
Vic High
Bongblaster
SCW
Or me if It needs to be corrected.
ALL OTHER POST SHOULD BE IGNORED . I personally think del and Ron Should
use the full force to protect THE
COMMUNITY. This is the worst attack on it ever.
Sorry to have to take them to do this but after donating to help and seeing
this I had to take the time to post
The Above is in response to a message at can.com. So please all, if you
see other information posted please correct
it. Can't let this happen to us. We may be Stoned but not Stupid
I hope dig into my collection Also to make some nice items avalible.
ncga
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