TOPIC - pickup
DATE - 20:36:09 3/01/100
FROM - kr01
thurs,april 2
@corner store {26}@2250
TOPIC - the fugus thing
DATE - 11:00:51 2/29/100
FROM - johnny lil
well so far the other war has been fought two ways COPPER OXYCHLORIDE was
used to hit the fungus - which did
bad things for my nice chem free world idea , then enviro change 24 hour
a day 250w lighting on the soil and fungus to
upset its moist humid thing . leaf feeding of fish seaweed juice and co2
water
well cool the war continues
some good info http://www.commonlink.com/~olsen/HEMP/IHA/iha03111.html
http://www.scisoc.org/ismpmi/common/names/cannabis.htm
there pretty cool info on diseases in cannabis
Link: http://www.scisoc.org/ismpmi/common/names/cannabis
TOPIC - Pot Ash.
DATE - 19:16:35 2/28/100
FROM - Sneaky Pete
Read somewhere recently that potash was mined..?
Seemed kinda strange to me since I thought it was plain old fire ashes(
wood fire, no newspapers or garbage), and just
that went in last summers Guerilla mix.
Also I think the "Alaska fish ferts" "Mor Bloom" had quite a bit of potash
as it's main ingredient.
TOPIC -
DATE - 12:06:43 2/28/100
FROM - Vic High
Anyone patiently waiting for something from Vic land, keeps your eyes open
:)
Fellow travlr - basically potash is just the ash left after a fire. I can't
see how it could be a petro chemical, but I'm not
certain on that. I really am not up on the science of fertilizers. I'm
still trying to get a handle on exactly what NPK
means precisely.
Jonny - you planning on saving that girl instead of just harvesting her?
If so, please keep us tuned on how you make
out ;) Say, have you used this same planting hole in the past?
Budm, hey bud. Please don't worry about that auction deal, it has worked
out better than anyone anticipated. Sure
there was a couple small bumps but they pale compared to the great thing
that was accomplished. Just think, what
you initiated has turned into a whole new cannabis forum and C-Bay!! And
if shit didn't happen with you, chances are
Cannabis World and C-Bay wouldn't exist, so some real good things transpired
from your misfortune. Life works in
mysterious ways ;)
And don't worry about the negative propaganda posts, they try but they
never are able to do any real damage. Just look
at how much was raised for A1, and now look at the selection and bids for
A77. Most of the community is too bright to
fall for the troll BS. I just pipe up to make sure both sides are heard
so people can make intelligent decisions, ya
know? They would have tried their BS whether you left or not.
Good luck with the avid search. I have no way of knowing whether the product
I've used in the past was indeed avid.
There is also a couple good threads at cannabis world about avid, the most
recent one initiated by Suzy Creamcheese
in the Jungle. In the process of waking up our social conscience, she brought
out a few new ideas :)
When I used avid, it was in a perp harvest setup. In fact, if I wasn't
perp harvest, I wouldn't have needed it. Don't expect
it to work right away, it will take a few crops to completely wipe them
out. In fact you may want to use it a couple days
after using something like Safer's soap to knock the major numbers down.
I'm completely confused whether the stuff is
safe for mammals or not, but to play it safe I wouldn't use it on flowering
plants. Spray as you introduce your girls to
the flower room, that should hold the mites off until week 6-8 of flower.
At least that is what happened when I grew
treated plants next to infested plants. You may be better off delaying
the introduction of new plants so that the treated
plants will still be resistant when you harvest the infected plants?
The scary thing about using avid in a perpetual harvest garden is that
you are opening the window for the mites to
develope a restance to avid. We have a great weapon here that kicks borg
but, but we have to be dilligent that when we
use it, we use it to completely irradicate the mites, not just control
them. No survivors.
Another tip I had to use was toss all the old soil and bag recycling it
for a bit until I got a crop completely mite free. Soil
just harbours the mites. I had soil in storage for a year, (bone dry) that
I pulled out to use for ornamentals on my patio.
Well those outside plants ended up with mites. Luckily predators kept them
at bay and I've been able to just ignore
them.
Kinda goes with the soil notes, but cleanliness goes a long way when fighting
the borg.
TOPIC - Some experienced knowledge needed PLEASE
DATE - 18:47:43 2/27/100
FROM - johnny lil
Greetings
This hidious fungus has attacted one of my babies. I'm growing outdoor
organic style. All has been going so well ,this
plant is 5 months old and was just starting to flower. the weather here
has been hot and humid and wet .Overnight my
plant went from happy happy to full tilt sad ass wilt. Man panic wow. This
was yesterday.
Looking at the stem under the luciene mulch i found this white cotton looking
fungus about 10 cm (4inch)long .it totally
covered the stem , digging into tho roots i found more -less full on but
still there . it was in the soil to.
this morning looking at it , small white spots had grown under the main
part of fungus
someone said ---FUSARIUM ROOT ROT ---but the guy in the nursury said (Knowing
it was cannabis)---SCLEROTIUM
STEM ROT---and showed me a pretty good pic of it . He sad Bad bad bad any
more help would be cool
Link:
TOPIC - Avid -Hey Vic
DATE - 15:47:53 2/27/100
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
Vic I read the BCGA main page cut and pastes about Avid, was the product
you originally bought un-labled auctually
Avid? How is it best instituted in perp-harvest situation. TIA
Peace
TOPIC - Water PH in organic medium Question
DATE - 09:50:46 2/27/100
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
I know that Ive been asking many questions, but having just returned from
a 6 month hiatus theres lots of backlogged
questions afoaf has for me to ask.
He reciently started using a GeneralHydro Rainforest aeroponic clone machine,
he is amazed at the results!
Anyhow it came with a set of GH-Flora-ferts that he has no need for, however
he also has a PH testing set with
up/down buffers that came with it, his question is that his tap water is
very hi in PH
about 8-9ph, it needs to be lowered for the aero, now having the buffers,
he has the ablity of correcting the water he
uses for his gals in the supersoil medium, should he do so? Up till now
he has not corrected his water, and there
seems to be no ill effects, but hes thought that perhaps it may benefit
the medium/bacteria in some way.
Also reciently I saw a pictue of Sensi Ruderalis Indica, and was suprised
at the cosmetic quality of it, and a thought
came to mind, has anyone ever flowered RI out in a Veg closet under 24
hour lighting?
SB- Its nice to see you again, I hope your doing well;-))
Vic- I just now got up to speed with the happings in the community, if
there is any volunteer help that I can lend a hand
with please let me know, it seems af is to late getting back on the net
to donate beans for a77, however id be happy to
help any other way needed.
TOPIC - Water PH in organic medium Question
DATE - 09:50:36 2/27/100
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
I know that Ive been asking many questions, but having just returned from
a 6 month hiatus theres lots of backlogged
questions afoaf has for me to ask.
He reciently started using a GeneralHydro Rainforest aeroponic clone machine,
he is amazed at the results!
Anyhow it came with a set of GH-Flora-ferts that he has no need for, however
he also has a PH testing set with
up/down buffers that came with it, his question is that his tap water is
very hi in PH
about 8-9ph, it needs to be lowered for the aero, now having the buffers,
he has the ablity of correcting the water he
uses for his gals in the supersoil medium, should he do so? Up till now
he has not corrected his water, and there
seems to be no ill effects, but hes thought that perhaps it may benefit
the medium/bacteria in some way.
Also reciently I saw a pictue of Sensi Ruderalis Indica, and was suprised
at the cosmetic quality of it, and a thought
came to mind, has anyone ever flowered RI out in a Veg closet under 24
hour lighting?
SB- Its nice to see you again, I hope your doing well;-))
Vic- I just now got up to speed with the happings in the community, if
there is any volunteer help that I can lend a hand
with please let me know, it seems af is to late getting back on the net
to donate beans for a77, however id be happy to
help any other way needed.
TOPIC - guano
DATE - 03:34:39 2/27/100
FROM - rx
thanks to sneaky and budm for the link to co2 generator info.
there is a guano mine near by. i can probably supply guano. if anyone cares, I'll check it out.
Grow happy!
TOPIC - petrochems
DATE - 02:13:42 2/27/100
FROM - fellow travler
is potash a petrocem?
TOPIC - OT1, Budm, T2
DATE - 19:34:30 2/26/100
FROM - sb
OT1
Reading your post is always a pleasure as well as an education.Cheers
Budm
Welcome back man.
T2
HEY!!! anyting?
TOPIC -
DATE - 14:51:06 2/26/100
FROM - oldtimer1
OT1...That's a nice bit of rhetoric, comrade...I'm not sure what your point
is, except perhaps to rant and rail against
those evil fertiliser companies. Hydroponics by any other name is still
hydroponics.
====>>
Hell sorry I wasnít trying to rant I do tend to be a little flat earth
though! I apologise if I was being boring! As a small
aside. Its kind of a shame that for the first petro chemical companies
to be able to develop they had to make marijuana
illegal before they could do so!
-------------------------------------------
1) Plants only absorb basic minerals in very limited combinations and only
when these elements or combinations are
dissolved in water.
2) A plant makes no distinction between an element which is dissolved from
a rock or broken down from organic matter
by decay and decomposition. The mineral elements are identical.
No matter what arguments organic zealots like yourself put forward, the
minerals used in hydroponics are exactly the
same as those provided by an organic source. The difference is hydroponic
minerals are not contaminated by pollution
as are the organic sources.
====>>>>>
Zealot > hehe!
I donít know where you get those ideas from, below an extract written by
L D Hills from the HDRA. All tagging research
since has confirmed this!
ìThere is a clear distinction between organic and inorganic manures and
fertilisers which has been established by the
work of the University of Saskatchewan in Canada, reported at the 1955
Geneva Conference on the Peaceful Uses of
Atomic Energy. Their researches showed that a wheat crop could take only
2 per cent of the phosphorus in theory
available from a chemical fertiliser, but when the grain was fed to cattle
and turned into manure together with the straw,
the next crop took up almost all the radioactivity-tagged molecules. Just
as water has light and heavy molecules, it
seems that those of plant foods also vary and that roots pick out one sort,
like a girl choosing all the hard centres from
a box of chocolates. All the mineral molecules, even those of trace elements,
in our compost heaps are 'hard centres',
already root-selected and ready for immediate use.î
-----------------------------------
Your personal philosophy is all well and good, but has nothing to do with
BOG's "argument" regarding hydroponics
versus soil propagation.
======>>>
Hmmm I donít want to play semantics! Hydroponics is a system of growing
plants in water and chemicals completely
omitting the need for soil or other substrates inert or otherwise! Growing
organically is a method using living soil and
feeding it with organic products that breakdown naturally in that environment,
and of course not using any artificially
produced chemicals. You can feed that soil with partly broken down organic
remains diluted in water, this is what true
organic fertilisers are! If you take that same watering mix and put it
in a hydro system the plants will get virtually no
nourishment from it. If you test it with an ec meter you will see why,
hardly any reading, the plant selected nutrients are
locked up in the organic particles. Even if you use air stones the next
thing that will tend to happen will be putrefaction,
because the bacteria, fungi etc needed to break down and release the nutrients
naturally cant survive in that
environment. It is just not a natural eco system. I haven't read any of
BOGís articles apart from below and what he is
saying to me is that he is feeding his soil with organic feed not the plants.
As hydroponics [I think translated
hydroponics means waterworks in English] is a method of growing plants
without soil Iím afraid you have lost me
completely! Strictly speaking ebb and flow and drip systems using inert
subs traits such as rockwool etc are not true
hydroponic systems! It sort of depends where you take your definition from!
Its all a bit of a laugh really, donít you think!
ROTFLMAO!
All the best mate Ot1.
TOPIC - gas chromatograph euip.
DATE - 11:58:08 2/26/100
FROM - interested 3rd party
http://arctic.eas.ualberta.ca/light/MATMAN/auctions.htm
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:02:33 2/26/100
FROM - Budm
Strider- Thanks for the intrest in my situation, theres more to it then
a modem prolbem, long story short, the machine
was sent to a relative for repair out of state, and
that person came down with a serious health peolbem, that esentialy placed
the puter stranded for about 6 months.
The loss of the internet, had its ups and downs, I found that having a
prolbem or concern that normally I would get help
on the net with, had to be figured out with books and guessing, theres
nothing like friends with experience on the net,
who so un-shelfeshly share it;-) One thing that was not around- was the
slight paranoia that living in a opressive socioty
inflicts on all of us, that the browsing on the net excerbates, allthough
I believe that distrust in
the govt and evil-doers- in moderation is healthy and is important for
self-preservation. I did miss the community
alot, and it felt great to be welcomed back so nicely. I only wish, that
my computer fiasco had not happend when it did,
right-in-the-middle of setting up the auction, and NL420 if your lurking,
im sorry for jumpping on you about you opinion
about my modem prolbem, I was having a bit of a tough time and I reacted
poorly. Well enough rambling, as alaways
Vic thanks for the space;-)
Peace
TOPIC - Avid
DATE - 08:47:59 2/26/100
FROM - Lurkin
Budm: I bought a 2 oz bottle of Avid for AF at 1-800-771-0899. They are
African Violet people located in NC (I think)
Cost was about $20 including shipping. At 1/4 tsp per gallon it'll go a
long way. She used it once on her plants last
August and hasn't seen a mite since. Wonderful stuff. They also have a
web site but if I remember right you can't order
from it.
TOPIC - measure
DATE - 07:38:53 2/26/100
FROM - Budm
I forgot to ask this conversion question,
In a cubic foot of potting mix, are how many liters or
gals??? Just being a bit lazy, if anyone knows this "off the top of there
head" Id apprechiate it, TIA.
Peace
TOPIC - t & t
DATE - 06:46:34 2/26/100
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
Sneaky Pete- thanks for posting that link and saving me a trip to the newstand LOL!!
OT1- You ilustrate the process of the EJ Bloom like nobody else in the
comunitty, makes me want to get my wifes
chem-ferts and toss them out, shes just lazy and likes them for the house
plants. That grain field you write about do
they grind the grain hulls and return them to the soil??
Any one have experience with a product Nitron Enzyme Formula A-35 Soil
conditioner?? Supossed to unlock soil, a EJ
cat type product.
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 06:33:24 2/26/100
FROM - Law of Parsimony
OT1...That's a nice bit of rhetoric, comrade...I'm not sure what your point
is, except perhaps to rant and rail against
those evil fertilizer companies. Hydroponics by any other name is still
hydroponics.
1) Plants only absorb basic minerals in very limited combinations and only
when these elements or combinations are
dissolved in water.
2) A plant makes no distinction between an element which is dissolved from
a rock or broken down from organic matter
by decay and decomposition. The mineral elements are identical.
No matter what arguments organic zealots like yourself put forward, the
minerals used in hydroponics are exactly the
same as those provided by an organic source. The difference is hydroponic
minerals are not contaminated by pollution
as are the organic sources.
Your personal philosophy is all well and good, but has nothing to do with
BOG's "argument" regarding hydroponics
versus soil propagation.
TOPIC - RE:
DATE - 05:07:46 2/26/100
FROM - Sneaky Pete
Electro CO2 link:
http://www.hy-yieldindoor.com/co2-txt.html
Was curious myself.
TOPIC - co2 generators (budm)
DATE - 02:58:22 2/26/100
FROM - rx
Please - I would like to know more, if you can supply a link.
TOPIC -
DATE - 20:23:38 2/25/100
FROM - oldtimer1
law o parsimony That is a very interesting outlook! By your definition
every chemical farmer is growing mainly
hydroponically and have been ever since petro chemical fertilisers have
been available! The ìmainlyî comes from the
fact that soil has huge reserves of potential nutrients but they in turn
canít be released in dead soil. At Rothampstead
they have been taking the same grain crop year by year off the same piece
of land without adding any fertilisers for
nearly a century now. There has been a small loss of basic elements but
they think there are several thousand years
worth left in the top 8 inches of soil! Although that soil has not had
any fertiliser the crops are only slightly down on the
original yields. This is because it is a living eco system and the micro
flora work to keep a balance. The chemical salt
fertilisers used in modern farming kill or seriously reduce that micro
flora trapping the farmer into a cycle of repeated
use of those chemicals. All plant life receive their nutrients dissolved
in water if that is how you define hydroponics. I
donít quite see it that way, to me it is a method of delivering very high
levels of pure chemical salts to the roots of
plants in oxygenated water! It is an inert dead system. In making those
chemicals, the production byproducts are large
amounts of greenhouse gasses, several times the finished product in heavy
metal salts and other toxic waste, plus
large amounts of energy used. After they have been used for growing there
is no safe way of disposing of them, what
do you do? Pour them down the drain? They are toxic on land and more so
in water courses. In organic soil the
nutrients are derived from the breakdown products of millions of years,
rock releasing mineral, metallic elements and
gasses. They have been used thousands if not millions of times root selected
by plants which in turn are eaten by
animals becoming parts of their tissue structure! They in turn die and
are reabsorbed by the soil to be reused. The plant
remains slowly breaks down becoming humus, a store house of organically
selected elements. If BOGís soil mix is
really organic it will have billions of micro organisms in it. Because
we grow in containers limiting root growth yes
readily available nutrients will become reduced and the micro flora may
not be able to release more quickly enough for
the plants needs. Say it was short of phosphorous and you watered with
say earth juice bloom, you would be adding
very fine ground steamed bone flower in a water suspension, this would
filter through the root ball, there is virtually no
free phosphorous at this point apart from the little released by the bacteria
in the concentrate. That suspension of
easily digested bone flower is now throughout the root ball, causing a
population explosion of bacteria thousands eating
living and dyeing every second, and other types eating the dyeing ones
they in turn die releasing phosphorous and
nitrogen. If the phosphorus level gets to high it inhibits the bacteria
that break down the bone flower until the plant
reduces the level, it is self balancing and to my mind wonderful. One soak
of that root ball with your chemical fertiliser
and all those micro organisms are dead, and yes it becomes a little like
a chemical hydroponic system from then on,
crude, dead, wasteful, part of the non caring, gready, make a quick buck
polluting society!
TOPIC - New Co2 Generators No Flame or Tank
DATE - 19:36:28 2/25/100
FROM - Budm
Hi All
Afoaf told me about 2 Co2 gens imported from Oz, one is unit for 200 cuft
areas or smaller, its 12volt powered with a ac
adapter, its fueled by a salt/crystal, it brings a 200cu' area to 1500ppm
in 15 min, it can be put on a timer, and uses
about 8$us worth of the fuel per month and the cost for the unit is about
180us complete. The second machine is for
larger areas and uses a muraticacid/bakingsoda reaction to supply the Co2,my
question is has anyone heard about
these machines from "down-under"? With no aditional heat like the Greenair
machine, and no bottles to refill, they do
sound worthy of looking into. Ill get the web addy if there is any intrest,
they were advetised in Growing Edge.
Oppressed- That site only lists there African Violet cultivars, unless
I missed something??? They are in Holland, is Avid
not available in North America?
A good weekend to all ;-))
Peace
do
TOPIC - Budm
DATE - 18:41:59 2/25/100
FROM - Strider
HI... Budm ! you are too kind. my spelling, puncuation and WP skills are
so poor, I am glad somthing has some
merit.:-) Good to see your handle again. It was kind of a worry when your
posts ceased for so long of a period.
Especially for a modem problem. Which brings me to a thought i'll get to
later. In answer to your question: MF uses a
modified super soil; adding to it green sand and compost made from oak
leaves/horse bedding and grass clippings.
sub's kelp meal and worm castings for the n source and recomposts everything.
He let this last batch age about 3 mo.
As far as nutes/feeding. From surfing the sites/boards 3 or 4 common mistakes
new growers like himself seem to
make are, overfeeding , overwatering and not enough light or just messing
with thier plants too much.
He watches the watering and fed with fish emulsion and kelp exstract. relying
on the soil mix for the most part. He only
fed about 4 times total and 2 of those at less than 1/2 strength. And not
all the plants got fed that many times. The
skunk and ak47 ate the most, the BB the least. Nothing fancy. can't get
earth juice ect. here and dont want to order.
:-).....Strider.
TOPIC - avid
DATE - 15:17:44 2/25/100
FROM - oppressed
www.africanviolet.com
TOPIC - cough, cough
DATE - 13:47:09 2/25/100
FROM - arrooo
Today is one of the two or three ( maybe four) of the happier days of my
year. The reason for my glee is the famous
pygamy kush derived from sssc indica stock. This is the breeders' strain.
It's taste is somewhat harsh but tolerable in
small puffs. Light, nutty taste. Aroma is light skunk but considerably
less than the full fledged skunk. The rush (
euphoria) continues for about 30 minutes. Other effects three hours longer.
Light, dry high without torpor. recent
memeory is impaired. Excellent for the hearbroken! Grow on!
TOPIC - Avid?
DATE - 12:59:10 2/25/100
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
Can some one help afoaf locate the mitecide "Avid", he cant seem to locate a retailer.
Strider very nice report!! your diction is great, can you elobrate a bit
on your medium and nutes? TIA
TOPIC - Vic..Feedback.
DATE - 08:38:02 2/25/100
FROM - Strider
Hey All.........! Hope everyone is at peace. Vic.. Promised you some feedback
on the Surprises Santa provided a
couple of Xmass ago. Some basic info follows.........
AF put 8 plants in flower and finished 6. 830w hps... 15sq ft canopy.(3x5)
5 strains.Veg 11wks. Semi closed
system/ac cooled. co2 kept at 400 ppm-more or less. Soil. 5gal pots. Buds
heavily manicured and completly dry b4
weighing. A fruit grow..ha.
3RSBS. 1 male did not show sex till 2nd wk. Had no pre-flowers (short idica
phenotype) plant culled. 1 sativa
dom...This plant was heavy with trichomes, to the point some buds were
white with resin. Buds: tight/n/hard. High is on
the up side of down, :-) but fairly clear... with a Subtle visual flow.
Slight body stone.Taste/ Aroma...Smoke is
surprisingly smooth..considering resin content. Aroma is fruity, aftertaste
is fruity, piney.I like this smoke it has just the
right intensity for entertaining. 3 male floretts were present in 2 buds
on this plant. The plant had no hermie sighn
durring veg/early flowering. flowers noted at wk
6. Plant was not fed for 3 wks b4 harvest. Plant was basicly yellowed except
for inner bud leaves by harvest.
Subsquent clones (2) are fine at wk 5. 1 mother clone on 18hrs light is
ok This plant had the most savoy, and
BIGGEST water/fan leaves. They were huge...made me feel like tiny Elvis.ha.ha.
Dad must be Peruvian..? Yeild: 64
grams @ 7 1/2 wks. (see note).
1indica dom. short somewhat squat leaves. Buds fairly Tight.Good resin
production. High:..very stoney indica. That..
I've been gone for awhile, but I'm back now... kind of stone, but very
visual. Things kind of breathe and flow. Good for
those times u need to get redeyed and laid way back. lasts for a time.Taste/Aroma...Smoke
will make u hork up a
lung. expands big time. Fruity taste. Fruity aroma. Yield: 75 grams @ 6
1/2 wks. (see note).
2Blueberry BCGA (varigated). 1 male retained due to its heavy, sweet berry
smell durring veg. flower production was
profuse, plant would not shed pollen. 1 female with good aroma. trained
in a sort of 'sundae glass' profile. every other
stem left on. topped at about 14"(thought I would polinate) This plant
was harvested past its prime, 8wks+. Its safe to
asume that taste/aroma suffered as a result. As a decline in bouquet was
noted b4 harvest, and a musty smell had
developed. Got some nice coloured buds tho..
The high is decent but by no means killer. Taste is still sweet with a
fruity quality but has a musty element to it. That
mistake won't be repeated with her clones. MF has vegged BB on 2 other
occasions and transplanted them outdoors to
finish. but none have made it to harvest. This is the first on this strain.
Contrary to what he has read around the web, he
has found BB to require the least amount of care of the strains he has
grown It is definately not a heavy feeder and in
his experience, doesn't use much water untill well into flower. Yield:
68 grams.@8+wks. 1Ak7 Trained/pruned to a
champagne glass shape. open center. Four main branches.This method seems
to work well with this strain. The open
center is filled with buds of good size, as well as having the 4 large
main buds. had to use string and stakes on this
one. Yeild: 125 grams. @ 81/2 wks.
1Cali-o HFantaseed. Germed 3 seeds, got 1 female of small
stature that had buds that were full of male florretts. The plant was as
advertised in the smell dept, as this plant
developed a thick sweet orange smell at about 5wks. It was kind of sickining
durring manicure. smoke is smooth, kinda
sweet with a burnt orange whang. Buzz is Ok but seems to lack character
IMO. Yeild: 39 grams. @ 7wks. 1
Skunk/personal. good smoke. haven't found how it wants/needs to be delt
with indoors yet as far as yeild goes. 45
grams @ 9wks
Note:The RSBS were too vigorus. they litterly grew themselves into problems
it took a while to figure out what was
going on They sufferd from arrested growth, curled down leaves(leaves became
leathery) some necrosis and ultimately
yield suffered as a result. they were trained/pruned in the same style
as the ak47. The cause/problem was they
became root bound 3 times durring the grow. developing 1/8 to almost 1/4"
thick mass of root material on the outside of
root ball. Repot them and they resumed growth and damage ceased untill
they became bound again. this happened 3
times. one finished in a 10 gal pot the other, in a 7.5 gal. A verticle
cut down thru the root mass after harvest revealed 3
distinct and thick root/pot outlines. and the inner tissues seemed more
woody looking than some of the other root balls
examined. I think resperation or the lack of, was the problem. they weren'
over waterd or over fed ect. had they grown
without these problems I think yield would have been much larger. thier
clones are doing fine at close to end of week 6.
perforated pvc tubing was inserted verticly on either side of
the root mass when the clones were moved to 3 gal pots. all is well so
far. Well, i have rambled long enough. many
thanks to you Vic.... P.S. Don't breed out that twisted sister trait on
those BB I think that varriation has merit on its
own. The non varigated/twisted var. Is ok. and i must say I have not tried
any of that vars bud. I just like the looks of
those twisted sisters. Peace: .....Strider.
TOPIC - pruning
DATE - 20:59:20 2/24/100
FROM - HItop
could anyone tell me if it is benificialto start pruning the extra large
shade leaf.im into my 10th day of bud
TOPIC - bog
DATE - 13:09:14 2/24/100
FROM - yepod
There are several soil growers attending this board including the main
man - vic high. I'm dittto with you on the effigacy
of soil but I like to hear from these others who are experimenting.Personally,
I'm experimenting with uv. What kind of
light do you have in your flower room? What is your gram per watt yeild?
Good growing!
TOPIC - definition
DATE - 07:56:24 2/24/100
FROM - law o parsimony
OT1: The best definition for hydroponics I've come across is this, by E.
Muckle:
"Hydroponics is the technology of applying the science of caring for the
root zone requirements of growing plants. The
delivery of water, nutrients and oxygen in such a fashion as to allow the
roots to achieve optimal uptakes of these
inputs and allow effortless exchange of root effluent gases."
Most people don't realize they are probably already growing hydroponically.
Even if you start with soil, once the soil is
depleted of nutrients, it becomes an inert grow medium contributing nothing
to plant nutrition. The only nutrients the
plant receives is from the water and any plant food you give it. Feeding
the plants nutrients in solution is BY
DEFINITION hydroponics. If you feed the plants while watering, you are
growing hydroponically, whether it's
hand-watering in containers, using ebb and flow, NFT, or whatever.
TOPIC - high!!!!
DATE - 07:40:52 2/24/100
FROM - Vic High
just a quick hello :)
OT - thanks for the security tips :) can't have too much of that :)
OR - My experience has been that size doesn't matter, it doesn't alter
the genetic potential. However, there is a huge
perception in the marketplace and with a few other breeders that it is
a big deal. People just seem to prefer bigger
seeds ???? So I mentioned it in the description to prepare those who feel
differently than myself.
As a breeder with limited resources, I have to make decisions on what traits
are worthy of selection, no indoor grower
could possibly select for all desirable traits. One simply couldn't grow
the numbers required to accomplish such a task.
Each breeder will have his/her own priorities and they won't always coincide
with other breeders. My main priorities are
vigour, potency, yield, and flavour in no particular order. IMO, none of
the above are of any value without the rest. Like
potency and yield is worthless if the seedline lacks the vigour most growers
would require to make it grow. For me,
seed size ranks way down the list below other traits like flowering time,
cloning ease, stem size/strength, etc.
BOG - thanks for the input ;)
LOP - please explain your reasoning, ya lost me too.
TR1 - yep, cannabis is in the media almost daily. It tends to flip flop
from side to side, but lately it has been
concentrating on the evil criminal indoor growers. The organised indoor
growers are giving indoor growers a bad name
and making enemies wherever they grow by causing damage to rental homes.
And stealing electricity. There is a
movement on local levels to remove the right of privacy many renters currently
enjoy to combat this problem.
Destroying other's homes and stealing electricity is criminal and these
growers should be shot and pissed on in my
opinion. They are making it harder for the rest of us, giving the propaganda
machine an easy target.
TOPIC -
DATE - 02:56:31 2/24/100
FROM - oldtimer1
law of parsimony >>> How do you define hydroponics?
Occasional Reader >>> There have been articles about their data gathering
in the papers here, also about AOL! Neither
have ever bothered to contest it ! Apart from that, every time time you
log on to a msn site it interrogates your machine
for other data about you, like real email addies and the progs you have
on your comp the processor number that is just
legitimate data gathering! It is quite within their agreement with you
to look at what you write it is a simple bit of
keyword scanning no humans involved untill you get tagged! On your side
you agree not to use their service for any
illegal purpose! Iím also sure you have paid for and registered every piece
of software on your computer. Are you using
IE as a browser more importantly are you using its companion email package!
Nearly as risky is Netscapes
Communicator! Sending mail from a tagged hotmail account to another virtual
account will get them tagged as well!
You canít avoid surveillance but you can at least try and minimise the
risk! The Opera browser is pretty good with lots
of security features.
Take a look at:- http://www.emailaddresses.com/email_web.htm for loads of virtual email accounts.
Check your comp security at:- http://www.tamos.com/privacy/anonen.htm
For non transparent proxies:- http://www.lightspeed.de/irc4all/index.htm
Iím no expert on these things but there are others here that are, I hope this helps a bit!
Budm we did a 48 plant grow, 24 normal fertilisation and 24 were treated
with Bcuzz in addition. The normal side
produced a gram or 2 more ie there was no noticeably difference in yield.
This may just be that our compost has an
adequate balance for the plants needs. We did a smiler test with earth
juice catalyst and had the same results!
I cant say how it would work in a hydro system! Should you ever get any
BioBizz fertiliser products your side of the
pond I can recommend them as being good!
TOPIC - oops
DATE - 00:20:28 2/24/100
FROM - TR1
Sorry,the below comments were in ref. to Occasional Readers link story
Link: powerless to stop seed sales
TOPIC - No World Order
DATE - 00:17:36 2/24/100
FROM - TR1
Reading that made me feel queezy....
I think they will probably pull that one off though,in the minds of the
vast majority of unthinking voters,the lies will
increase...20%THC! 30%THC!! oh my god! save the children! 50%THC!!!
TOPIC -
DATE - 19:52:55 2/23/100
FROM - Occasional Reader
Vic, why would you be disapointed by small seeds? I found that point in
your description of your new seedline odd.
I am quite content with STS, small seeds and all. I breed my own seed,
and the next generation is performing nicely.
The potency is very good. In fact, too good. The first time I smoked the
finished product, I had to immediately lay down
on my side, and lay very still to avoid extreme dizziness.
It's been a looooonnnngg time since I got too high. Four small puffs to
do that, too. Given that performance, the
g13/C99 sounds like an overkill. Could be interesting.
I just have to let the seeds set a bit longer. I got used to my NL, which
sets quickly at 3 weeks. These need 2 more
weeks, I only got 50% germ on these. No matter.
I hope you all play it safe, for you are being noticed in Canada.
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread4828.shtml
OT1- Do you have any direct evidence of these activities by Microsoft?
Is it rumor? On what do you base this assertion
they are monitoring accounts? I always assumed they would cooperate with
authorities (narcs), but I never thought
they would be proactive.
I do avoid using my account since the whole JavaScript/cookie bit got going,
but I do still use it occasionally. Not for
rec chat thought. For politics. I am curious how sure you are this is going
on. Have people captured the hack attempts
from them?
TOPIC - this and that
DATE - 19:46:11 2/23/100
FROM - Budm
Hi all, I spent the better part of two hours reading the "Strain Base"
that Budalair authored, I remember when he was
compiling that info last year, if your lurking I think you did a great
job, and hope you will continue to update it, a great
resource fer sure. It was also nice to see some handles that are not around
anymore, Prince Caspian,Airborne, ~S~,
Shaggy etc, I hope they are all doing well..
OT1 you nailed my thoughts exactally in the strain base, about AK47, it
gets me there for a short time also, then I have
to light up again. Can you refresh my memory about the
"B'Cuzz" bloom stimulator ? I remember you posting somthing about it last
summer-- did it work or not, as it is now
avaiable on this side of the pond, and I was wondering if the 20$ per 12oz
bottle is worth trying ????
Peace
TOPIC - Hydroponics by any other name...
DATE - 14:40:54 2/23/100
FROM - law of parsimony
Hey BOG, what you describe is simply a HYDROPONIC SYSTEM using organically
sourced nutrients.
TOPIC - Bonanza of Green (BOG) My indoor organic system
DATE - 08:22:50 2/23/100
FROM - BushyOlderGrower
Many growers think that to be a sucessful indoor grower you have to go
hydro. I would like to present an arguement for
my organic system.
First of all you should refer to Bushy's Indoor organic tips for beginneers in the basic grow room.
All knowledge is practical and has worked well. It is a very simple organic
system that is much easier to master
wuickly than Hydro systems. No meters required, hand watering allowed.
This system is cheap and easy to set up but
it requires some space, some electricity, and some work.
First the grow room should have at least a 400 watt metal halide light
and a few florescents for clones and/or seedlings.
A 1000 watt MH is preferred depending on the size of your flowering room.
400 watt in the grow room is minimal for a 2500 watt flowering room to
stay maximized. Under the 2 or 3 (4 ft.
florescents start your seeds/clones) keep the growing tips about 1-3 inches
max from the light tubes if they are regular
40 watt flor tubes.
I start mine in about 1 Qt pots as seedlings or clones ( I do both) I usually
start about 10 every 2 weeks. The perpetual
harvest is never all at once, it is more of a production line system, with
continual harvesting. As the seedlings reach
about 8 inches they are moved into the bigger grow area with the 400 watt
metal halide light. Soon they are big enough
to transplant into 3-5 gallon pots, depending on size plants desired.
After transplant into big pots the plants need to veg for about another
1-2 weeks until fully or mostly rooted. Rushing
this process will hurt eventual yeilds. I like bigger plants, this is nothing
like SOG. If you want to make hundreds of
clones and go hydro then SOG is a high yeilding system but I like killer
larger buds.
The plants spend about 5 weeks in vegetative stage. When moved to the flowering
room they are rooted into large pots
and usually about 2 feet tall (this varies with your set up, head room,
genetics, etc.)
If you have used good soil mix (refer to Basic Tips) and the plant is healthy
it should be shooting in fast growth as it
goes into flowering. Amazing beautiful bud growth will be seen if all is
well. Healthy plants will stay dark green until late
in flowering, keep feeding them organic ferts with some Nitrogen in them
like Pure Blend or add grow fert to the no Nitro
fert if the plant gets yellow.
Make sure you add some co2 to the air twice a day at least in flowering.
I water every other day usually and I feed
them every other feeding generally. Keep them happy and large yeilds can
be obtained in a 3 month total grow and veg
time. 3 oz per plant is not uncommon. Under a 2600 watt flowering room
about 24 plants of this size can be grown.
This means 4 plants per week to harvest. Ideally it is possible under about
a 4k system to grow 10 oz of organic dried
bud per week!
It takes work but the product can be unsurpassed! There is nothing about
hydro that makes the pot better. So if you
are growing for quality but think indoor has to be hydro, think again!
:) BOG is my Advice
TOPIC - KQ
DATE - 00:56:39 2/23/100
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
KQ- Nice to see ya;-)) I hope alls well with you.
OT1- I managed to retrieve it, no need to resend. you have mail.
I just read about A77, he will be in my prayers and thoughts. I hope I
live long enough to see sanity as far as MJ laws
go in my country.
CG, nice to see that great opinionated wit is still around, I enjoy your
posts;-)
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 23:45:45 2/22/100
FROM - oldtimer1
KQ I'm fine I will write in the next day or so!
Budm I will resend!
TOPIC -
DATE - 19:33:42 2/22/100
FROM - KQ
OT1 i'm still alive and kickin! Hows it going?
TOPIC - new email
DATE - 13:45:50 2/22/100
FROM - Budm
Hi all
Vic, OT1, and DE, cann you please drop me a line at a new email addy, as
the old one is prolbamatic, if you wrote
there I did not get to read it. Having prolbems with a new OS and browser,
as well as a disconnecting modem or ISP,
all I wanted was my modem fixed, a well meaning relative thats a computer
tech is frustrating ;-( Oh well maybe youall
can answer a couple of "browser questions" on the newer virsion of Netscape.
Peace
TOPIC - ___
DATE - 11:38:25 2/22/100
FROM - silhouette
heyall.
sunshine-click.
f-elbowknockersnsideshows.
TOPIC -
DATE - 03:42:31 2/22/100
FROM - Budm
Hi All,
Great to see ya OT1 and Dr E;-)) Cany you both please drop me a line at
the addy listed on this post, as I no longer
have your addys. I look foward to exchanging emails again;-)) Well im off
to a early start today,ill check the box later.
Have a great week, and stay safe.
Peace
TOPIC -
DATE - 05:00:41 2/21/100
FROM - HC
Ya I did but having trouble with everything. Sili will be over wednesday
to fix things up.
He should have it working by thurs. Hopefully I will be able to get to
you then.
TOPIC -
DATE - 03:40:44 2/21/100
FROM - oldtimer1
HC did you get my emey ok?
Hi Budm really nice to see you alive and kicking! I look forward to your emey>
one observer. You should be able to find my observations on both uv and
Co2 in the archives here. Blacklight tubes are
highly filtered and give virtualy no light I cant see them having any effect
whatsoever. My experiances with uva and uvb
havent increased yield, only potency!
Hope this helps Ot1.
TOPIC - Hi Budm
DATE - 23:24:18 2/20/100
FROM - Dr. Evil
Budm,
How the hell are you :)? I've been wanting to get in touch with you for
a while (scroll downward). Drop me a note when
you get time, so I'll have your e-mail address. I hope things have been
resolved favorably re the health problem in the
family. Talk to you soon
Be Safe
Dr. Evil
TOPIC - Finnally Back On Line !!!!!!
DATE - 10:14:31 2/20/100
FROM - Budm
Hello Again All !! Finally back on the web;-))))
and im happy as can be!! I missed everyone a lot.
I have to reinstall pgp and reestablish ICQ. I have to run, Ill be email
Vic and OT1, later today, I hope everone is doing
well, since my departure, looking foward to emailing and posting again.
See youall soon;-))
Peace
TOPIC - black light
DATE - 03:16:46 2/20/100
FROM - one observer
Dear Friends:It's reported one grower has doubled his yield using a combination
of co2, black light flo (uv), and 5kmz.
This particular grower is famous here abouts for chasing rainbows and other
antics. He claims each of these grow
enhancements add about 17% by weight.
Ot1 - do you know anyone with experience with this combo, or with uv?
TOPIC - Vic,about gro-shop surveilance...
DATE - 17:08:27 2/19/100
FROM - Drinkin' On Moss Rocks
I read your posts about being watched by the cops and you surmised that
they saw you at a local gro shop.
I think this happened to me too. Around Oct.99 i was at a gro shop twice,
once to look at a light and once to buy it. A
couple of months later a cop shows up at my door and asked me a few completely
bogus questions, very suspicious.
My question to you and other folks in this fine city is what grow shop(s)
should be visited? I have 6 within a 10 minute
drive so I (we) have lots to choose from. They can't be all under the watchful
eye of LEO!?!
thanks for any info people!
ps, they're sure busting 'ops right left and center as of late!!
TOPIC - old timer
DATE - 21:27:00 2/16/100
FROM - mm
thanks for the info on being safe. i have other avenues, lots of other
avenues that i use. :) they are encrypted and
secured and safe, very anonymous. hotmail is simply a diversion...can u
dig it baby!!! lol Our mutual buddy came down
and made sure i had all the proper security on my puter, so kind...
TOPIC - wheel of fortune
DATE - 18:21:25 2/16/100
FROM - oak bay
after viewing the pictures of the wheel of fortune i almost lost it. what
a piece of work.. i did the math and it states that
you can get 6.5 lbs per light every three months. i find it hrd to believe,
yet i am sure it is possible. if the estimates are
true it is well worth the 10 grand sticker price... i can already picture
two of these beautys in my basement.. vic high
have you seen this unit in action... what strain would you advize to use
i asume there is no veg time involved, am i
correct... thanks...
TOPIC - mm, HC
DATE - 15:10:33 2/16/100
FROM - the dayhiker
Hello to both of you, nice to see you're still around.
HC - had all kinds of problems & never got those ww f2's started, but
will get around to it sometime
TOPIC - I lost it all.
DATE - 12:09:53 2/16/100
FROM - HC
OT1
I lost everything. Please send me a mail.
Just got a new putr. and the bugs havent been worked out yet. Not by a
long shot.
Ill ask this question again: Has anyone tried growing with BIADOMIC COMPOST?
(indoors )
TOPIC -
DATE - 11:52:51 2/16/100
FROM - oldtimer1
Hi mm thought it might be you nice to see you are still around! Vic is
right about hotmail they run keyword survalence
for the US government mention porn fine! mention puff and they will track
you, try to hack your comp for real email
addy and IP. Be carefull!
HC I wrote to your old addy with my new one did you get the emey?
All the best Ot1
TOPIC - Lite
DATE - 06:48:35 2/16/100
FROM - Sky High
Lite=photosynthesis=carbohydrates=growth... I can see waste`n engery on
wattage, but hours?
TOPIC -
DATE - 05:49:11 2/16/100
FROM - A_hosseyni
I like to connect to some site,but I can't.
becuse I have restricted by SurfWath(TM).
please help me!
Link: www.yuorlink.com
TOPIC - 24hrs. of light.
DATE - 04:47:12 2/16/100
FROM - HC
I was allways under the impression that 18 hrs. was the optimun and that
more was just a waste of energy.
High people; its been a long time since I posted in here but have been
lurking and picking up some valuable
information. Ill be arround from now on.
TOPIC - powdery mildo
DATE - 00:28:56 2/16/100
FROM - oak bay
can some one preferably vic high give me some info on powdery mildo. this
stuff is really frustrating. have used the
benamyl with little success, followed instructions to a tee... also wiped
my plants down repeatedly. air flow in my room
is good temp and humid are optimall. recently misted plants down with bakingg
soada and water, waiting for results..
what can i do to combat this trcherous problemm it is sucking the life
right out of my otherwise vigorous plants..
thanks..
TOPIC - I have a guestion (for my science fair project)
DATE - 14:49:56 2/15/100
FROM - joe
Hi I was wondering if you would know if colored water (food coloring) effects
plant growth? If you have any information
that could help me i will be realy thankful.
If you might have any information on plant growth it could also help me.
Thank You
Joe
TOPIC - oldtimer1
DATE - 07:51:45 2/15/100
FROM - mm
high oldtimer1. been awhile. miss the old place. too bad its not still
running...thanks for all your help last year :)
TOPIC - vic
DATE - 07:48:47 2/15/100
FROM - mm
thanks for being so unhelpful. i won't bother you again.
TOPIC - autoseeding/hermaphrodite causes
DATE - 23:58:17 2/14/100
FROM - dorf
This is the second time a friend of mine has encountered this phenomena.
Is there anyone who knows of any reasons
why this seemingly rare occurence has visited him twice and what he might
be inadvertently doing to sponsor
hermaphrodites in his garden.
TOPIC - 00000 and others
DATE - 11:06:07 2/14/100
FROM - knob
Last night I was able to access the site and download
ZoneAlarm... appears to be working very well. thanks!
My IP(temp) and therefore my isp are still visible.Any IP masking/spoofing
apps I can use in conjunction with this
proggy?
TOPIC - Lites
DATE - 07:48:59 2/14/100
FROM - Sky High
Is there such a thing as to much lite, indoors ? & what about this
plants needing sleep? I though lites out was for
equitment cool down...I run a 1000 watt MH in a 8x8ft. in the veg. state
24hrs.Cut back to 12-12 and add 1000 watt
HPS to flower.Thanks
TOPIC - Zone Alert link out of order
DATE - 01:10:03 2/14/100
FROM - 00000
Yes, it seems the page is down today (of course the day I post a link to
it). I haven't posted or seen any inquiries about
it today on any other boards either. Perhaps with the sudden increased
interest in Net Security after the DoS attacks
earlier this week they are rethinking their "free license" for non-commercial
user policy. (Businesses and Institutions
have to pay for a license).
Just have to see what the score is with it in the next couple of days.
People I know that use the program have been
very happy with it. I prefer BI myself.
TOPIC - hackers
DATE - 23:22:06 2/13/100
FROM - proxy
I have been trying ZoneAlert but cannot get it to allow me to go through
anon proxies,any thoughts anyone?
TOPIC - re: hacker punks
DATE - 13:45:26 2/13/100
FROM - 00000
Get Black Ice Defender, it keeps a log of the intrusions hitting your comp
and it will tell you exactly what is happening
and whether you should be concerned or not. These days you can expect approximately
1 to 2 intrusions per week on
a dial up account and at least 5 to 7 per day on a cable modem. Most of
these are "script kiddies" running scanners
across whole subnets looking for open ports that they might exploit.
If you begin see the same IP systematically trying different intrusions
then you have somsbody trying to get in to your
comp. If not, it was probably just a random attack not directed at you.
Welcome to the New World Order.
Black Ice is very good because the information support is top notch and it has excellent intrusion logging.
You can also get a very good dynamic firewall for free called Zone Alert
which has some extra features talored
specifically for cable modems that Black Ice does not have but as yet does
not keep an automatic intrusion log, you
have to do it manually. The informational support is not as good as Black
Ice but the protection is just as extensive.
Black Ice here: ($40 US) http://www.networkice.com/
Zone Alert here: (free) http://www.zonelabs.com./
TOPIC - Hack Flack Jack
DATE - 08:15:05 2/13/100
FROM - Wooly Wombat
Vic-o-rama -
Keep a good record of the hack, and make sure that the ISP noted in that
log is quickly contacted and made to retain
all records and files of the attempted intrusion. Leave a paper trail,
with copies and return receipts and a list of phone
call times and dates for every time you contact that ISP. Don't just do
it online ... use the phone and the mail. That's
number one ... .
Next ... take a deep breath. You're not in bad shape. None of the likely
scenarios are an immediate threat. You did the
right thing and were properly prepared for the uninvited "guest".
If this was a deliberate, authorized, intrusion by LEO on a national or
international level, they would have gotten into
your system. They would have been prepared for a firewall and penetrated
it in a matter of moments. Local LEO do not
generally have a lot of computer power or experience at their disposal.
It is possible that local or higher level LEO folks
who dabble in computers made the attempt, and that is the reason you must
get good records from the ISP.
Without good records in hand, it will be impossible to prove that LEO,
or their lackys, accessed your system without a
valid warrant, should some legal log-jam be thrown in your lap.
You might have to file a suit to get the ISP records ... and small claims
courts would be the quickest and cheapest
way to do it if the ISP is in the US and refuses to cooperate.
If the attempt was just some punk kid flexing his computer chops, you might
have to tweak your system to keep ahead
of him, but the worst he can do is become a pest.
( There is also the slight possibility of a hybrid hack if LEO has some gung-ho Hitler Youth doing their dirty work.)
Come to think of it, this could turn out to be an opportunity. If it Was
an agent of LEO or one of their minions, you could
sue their slimy asses big time! It could be worth a lot.
There are probably some legal avenues available that would not neccessarily
require that you or your business recieve
unwanted publicity. Take it one step at a time. Get the records, find out
who made the hack, and go from there.
TOPIC - green frankenstien machine
DATE - 01:39:40 2/13/100
FROM - justme
That machine is awesome! Does it work? Are they going to sell plans? I
could not stop thinking about it for two days. It
made me laugh outloud. I was wondering where rube g went. I'll need a scaled
down model.
How much uv. Do you mix it with hps and mh? Same cycle as hps? Please tell
me more about uv. I saw flo uv at the
store and I want to try it. Somehow it makes sensei to me.
TOPIC - hack alert
DATE - 18:21:40 2/12/100
FROM - sam sara
I have found that getting an ISP to do anything about hackers operating
from their network is very hard to do - most
say that security is your problem. Cable modems are more vulnerable than
dial-up modems, so one needs a good
firewall. I use and like BlackIce.
samsara
TOPIC - Vic
DATE - 15:40:07 2/12/100
FROM - Raydavies
Looks like someone on cable connection using gaurd Dog software. There
IP address is important because cable is on
all the time so an assigned IP address should be easy to track down. Dial
up connection prvide Dynamic IP address
each time you log on cable remains constant. To all who have cable intrenet
connections be advised security SUCKS.
RAY
TOPIC - The "General G" low light in the AM theory
DATE - 10:38:31 2/12/100
FROM - Jess Wastingtime
In the Seeds and Strains thread of his site, Marc Emery passed on the opinion
of his guest breeder,
General "G", who claimed that low, shaded, light in the early morning caused
plants to grow faster and yield more than
plants in the open who were slammed with bright sun at the crack of dawn.
Could this be even Close to the 25% gain that was claimed? Is it possible
that this technique could be successfully
applied to indoor grows? If so, would a few fluoros do the trick? Does
anyone really Know about this?
It's a very, very interesting idea, and it might even make sence. Plants
have rhythms of respiration reactions that flow in
a predictable pattern. There must be parts of a plants system that have
evolved in response to sunrise at the beginning
of each daily cycle. If these electro-chemical pathways for a gentle "wake
up call" are built-in to the genetic code of the
plant, they are there for a reason, and should be utilized.
Plants probably don't like waking up to a bright light in the eyes any
more than we do, and indoor growers might be
altering the progression of the chemical reactions in the plant by not
making use of those portions "designed" for low
light. Come to think of it, the same thing might be true in the PM as well.
Give it a thought.
TOPIC - Hack attempt
DATE - 23:35:27 2/11/100
FROM - Dr. Evil
Vic,
Take a copy of your log from your firewall program and mail it to abuse@home.net
. Most ISP's can be contacted to
complain about these sorts of things at abuse@(ISP name). Be sure to include
your time zone info (PST in your case,
of course), and they will check it out. Most ISP's do a pretty good job
of pursueing these matters, if they don't respond
to complaints and a hacker causes damage they are legally liable for their
negligence. Do this soon though, most ISP's
only maintain logs for 24 hrs, after that it may be untracable. Most ISP's
will give warnings to hackers on a first
complaint, and pull the plug on them on the second. If you make a point
of going after these guys, it seems as though
word must get out , and they start leaving you alone (or change methods
of attack).
HTH
OT1, I'll go drop you a PM at CW right now
Be Safe
Dr. Evil
TOPIC - hack alert
DATE - 21:37:51 2/11/100
FROM - sam sara
vic -
The trace route gives you his IP address. Whois tells you who owns the
network this guy is working from. Doesn't give
you much. What is more important is what alerted you to the attack(?).
I assume a firewall of sometype? What was it's
message to you. What firewall do you have? Did it tell you what the nature
of the attack was? Are you on a dial-up
connection or a cable modem?
TOPIC - hack alert
DATE - 19:07:07 2/11/100
FROM - Vic High
This fella just tried illegal entry into my PC. If there is anyone that
can make sense of it, I would be grateful :)
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TOPIC -
DATE - 11:33:09 2/11/100
FROM - claysparrow
iamclaysparrow.artist.
iplayed some parts ina
aplaytoplaytoseejustc.
iam out ofcharvatr &i
speak openly&truthfully
ihave learnded. what iz
and im learning how to
senseit.(knotonthehead
nosaint.artist). like all..
who personally believes
INLOVE!EVERNOW!!
TOPIC -
DATE - 11:05:09 2/11/100
FROM - claysparrow
iamclaysparrow.artist.
iplayed some parts ina
aplaytoplaytoseejustc.
iam out ofcharvatr &i
speak openly.
ihave learnded. what iz
and im learning how to
sense it.
nosaint.artist. like allÖ
that personally believes
in LOVE.EVERNOW!!
TOPIC -
DATE - 10:13:48 2/11/100
FROM - bonk
anybody else having trouble accessing CW or OG?
TOPIC - Vic: DTHH
DATE - 10:05:15 2/11/100
FROM - sensi
Check your PM at CW !
TOPIC -
DATE - 08:01:42 2/11/100
FROM - Vic High
mm- bcga@mauimail.com. But please keep in mind this is a public addy so
be careful what you say. I think a slightly
more secure option would be the Private Message feature at Cannabis World.
Plus ditch that hotmail account, they are
known security risks, plus tells me your surfing with your cookies on ;)
Dr Evil - I did have success with it in the larger low light grow as you
mentioned. However, my first closet grow was also
16/12 lighting, and that crop was a flop, only about 1 lb per light. To
reduce variables and come to the the root of the
problem, I switched back to 12/12 for the second crop. It was a bit better,
but still was a flop overall. So I've had both
success and failure with 16/12 and have no opinion on whether it's a good
thing or even has any effect at all, hehe.
TOPIC -
DATE - 05:55:47 2/11/100
FROM - oldtimer1
hi-top you donít say what var you are growing, but when put into flowering
some vars show the rapid physiological
changes taking place first in the leading tips. They become more compact
looking, more like a rosette and are
generally a paler yellow green in colour especially when the lights first
go on! If this is what you are seeing don't worry
about it as its only a temporary phase and no amount of feeding, soil or
foliar will change it! More plants are killed or
damaged by overfeeding than any other problem! If you were short of N the
oldest leaves would already be going yellow
and dying first! If it continues after a week or so look to Fe and Mn!
This seems pretty unlikly as GH has plenty of
these nutís!
Dr E I donít have your addy drop me a line at OG or CW private messages
TOPIC -
DATE - 05:54:58 2/11/100
FROM - mm
vic high. i sure would like to talk to you. my email is wesleytoy@hotmail.com
i don't know how to get a hold of you.
TOPIC -
DATE - 00:53:36 2/11/100
FROM - Dr. Evil
OT1: I thought that FR lighting idea might interest you. I intend to try
it myself, but it will be a little while until I have
established a baseline with AFOAF's project. Until then, any data gathered
would be worthless. From the intuitive
standpoint, it seems as though it could work. Of course, how that translates
into reality is anyone's guess.
I experimented with using a 16/12 lighting cycle once, and the different
varieties in the crop reacted in different ways.
The Sat. dom. plum bud cross never seemed to want to finish, and grew huge
and airy. Bubbleberry did the same, only
worse. Shiske was substantially unfazed. I know Vic had used the same light
cycle successfully with romberry and
others. I attributed the difference in my results to different lighting
levels (mine was around 50w/sf of hps, I believe his
was around 30w/sf of mixed hps and mh). Also the different strains had
something to do with it, no doubt. The most
indica plant in the crop was the one which tolerated it the best.
P.S., if you should happen to hear from Budm, would you pass along my e-mail
address, and ask him to drop me a
note. Thanks.
Hi-top: I agree with verdant about the N, you may also want to add some
Mg, using epsom salts to your ferts, as the
symptoms are similar, and GH is lacking enough of it for our favorite plant.
I used to use about 1 tsp per 5 gal. of fert
mix.
Stonerg: I think the intention of the supersoil is to be pretty much self-contained
fertilizer wise. You may have to
top-dress it at some point (not sure, never used it myself), but you may
want to try it unchanged first.
Be Safe
Dr. Evil
TOPIC -
DATE - 22:32:47 2/10/100
FROM - verdentURSUS
hi-top...check the Nitrogen in your mix...maybe bump it up a little for
the next 2 weeks..then
back off
Magilla.... use high N bat gauno insted of the blood meal,bears and dogs
pass it by here...don't
know about the critters where you are ;- )...you may want to add a little
Iron (any of the garden
suplements will work) to make up for the lack of Fe in the gauno compared
to the blodmeal..
TOPIC - light green
DATE - 20:09:31 2/10/100
FROM - hi-top
maybe someone can help?
i have just turned my room to flower{6 days}.
using sunhine mix,g.h. nuits,2 gal pots,5000 watts,12x12 room,light temp75
degrees/dark 65 degrees.plants are about
40days old 26"-28"all of my new growth is much lighter than the mature
stuff.any usful advice would make my day.
peace>>
TOPIC - blood meal outdoors
DATE - 16:01:44 2/10/100
FROM - Magilla
In a previous post from yesterday bubba-bogart mentioned to "watch the
blood meal, it might get get plants dug up or
stompd on". I believe I have had such problems in the past. Is one animal
that can be avoided or repelled
responsible?Does anyone know some of the culprits that might be responsible
in the midwest (Ontario-Michigan) or are
ubiquitous critters such as raccoons, opossums, coyotes, dogs and deer
that have this reaction to blood meal. Just
trying to avoid previous mistakes.
TOPIC -
DATE - 02:00:48 2/10/100
FROM - oldtimer1
Dr E Sorry for not getting back to you before Iíve been having ongoing
computer probs! No I haven't heard from Budm
since September!
Iíll think about doing some small experiments with IR! The pigmentation
of all equatorial sativa vars Iíve seen are pale
green and totally lacking the blue green seen in indicas. It would be an
interesting project to match the leaf colour of
known vars to a standard colour chart and see if there is any correlation
to flowering times!
Interestingly I recently subjected a mix of vars vegging from 18/6 to 3
weeks of 11/13 to initiate flowering then finishing
them on 12/12 there were 2 pure sats one went hermy at 6 weeks and had
to be pulled, the other has finished flowering
at 9 weeks giving an average weight of 31 grams per plant, bud density
was normal! Its normal finish time on just 12/12,
is 12 plus wks and an averages 45 grams! The finished height was reduced
from round 6 ft to 4 ft 6 inches! There were
12 of this var out of 78 so it was a good sample!
Of the mixed sat dom x indica vars, well they have finished a little earlier
or at their normal times by variety! The bud
density is not as good on any of them! Crop weights are down by 35 to 40%!
Plants by variety are about 1 ft shorter on
average with less thickness and ribbing on stems, the plants were very
healthy right to the end with good leaf colour
and root structure!
Understanding this was done with pure and sat dom plants, I think that
putting them into flowering mode with 11/13 hrs
[this would be the equivalent of mid winter in equatorial zones] Does speed
up flowering initiation, but at the expense of
the plant not fully developing the framework to flower on. Bud sites were
further apart and although given 12/12 in the
latter flowering period they never joined up as normal. It seems to me
that what happens during the 2/3 weeks initiating
flowering is pretty crucial to the final yield. That the shock of 11/13
made a plant that I have grown for 17 years produce
male flowers for the first time ever. All the plants must have been severely
stressed by this as every var had the odd
stamen in the buds right at the end of flowering, There was nothing left
to pollinate so it was not a problem! Interestingly
I put a few of these under the dissecting scope and there did not seem
to be any pollen formed just the casing!
All the best Ot1.
TOPIC - stonerg ferts
DATE - 01:02:21 2/10/100
FROM - eros
nurserymen use time release chem fert in bedding plants. It looks like
bird shot ( only its yellow) Its susposed to last 6
mos.Ive tried it and I like it. At ten weekws I put heavy doses of bloom
booster on top of the time release with out
burning the plants. What ive got is schultz 18-6-12, TM "oscote". Overfeeding
kills more plants than the dea.good luck!
TOPIC - stonerg and organic ferts
DATE - 22:02:12 2/09/100
FROM - bubba~bogart
stonerg-still haven't figured out why you want to double up on the ferts-from
what i've seen of the recipe you are going to
be using that should be plenty-one way to find out plant some in the heavy
fert mix and see what happens-you still got
awhile before spring planting-you can always dig a bigger hole and use
more of the regular mix-better watch the blood
meal-it might get your plants dug up or stomped on-
TOPIC - Rom vs. TTW
DATE - 19:38:22 2/09/100
FROM - Dr. Evil
Hi All
Vic, what I was mainly curious about is if you noted a similarity in flavors
and type of high, as though they may be
closely related to one another. Not so much a question of whether one was
better than the other. It was just my
impression on a first time smoke of both varieties.
Be Safe
Dr. Evil
TOPIC - my outdoor fertilizer formula question
DATE - 17:17:10 2/09/100
FROM - stonerg
I'm sorry I didn't get my question across quite right. More specifically:
If I double the proportion of say, bone meal, in a
soil mix, what are the consequences? And when I asked about doubling the
ferts in general, I meant all of them: kelp
meal, fish meal, whatever organic ferts I had used. (I know this is probably
dangerous with blood meal.)
Vic, when you said I would need to let it compost a long time, is that
to say that instead of the two week period that
you let your super soil sit before using it, I would need to let it sit
maybe 4 weeks? I guess that makes sense to me.
If properly decomposed, though, can too much organic ferts hurt?
On another note, I'm saddened to see all of the mayhem going on with these
other growers. Really saddened. I was
going to write something last time, but I didn't know what to say. Now
I think there's only one thing to say: please be
careful everybody.
Our time is going to come!
PS I doubt anyone really remembers me from when I was able to post more
frequently, but I did want to say that this
board influenced my to go organic. Thank you. It works much better for
me, and gives me more joy to boot!
TOPIC - horses
DATE - 16:13:55 2/09/100
FROM - bubba~bogart
don't recollect ever reading about horses learning to shoot in the civil
war. lol kinda thinking that ol stonewall jackson
might be in the picture somewhere. at least he was shot by his own troops.
werent no yankee bullet that got him.
on the serious side, did you know that more people died in the civil war
of disease and infection then were actually
killed by gunshots.
delete away vic
TOPIC - U.s History Question
DATE - 10:57:43 2/09/100
FROM - Amanda Turley
Who was the Confederate Genral that had 29 horses shot at his feet during
the Civil War????
TOPIC - gascanhitch
DATE - 10:21:22 2/09/100
FROM - junior
got an happy easter looking? flower?
not sure what to make of it. yeah its
graet round here. thank you vic high.
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:41:46 2/09/100
FROM - freinky
que pasa new york?
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:03:20 2/09/100
FROM - mm
this seems to be the most mature site around
TOPIC -
DATE - 09:02:35 2/09/100
FROM - mm
im sure you have heard of a strain called sticky 3. i chose not to put
this up on the shark tank so that everyone can
bash poor stickman. he is pretty cool and his bail is very low. im not
sure its his wife over email. im waiting for her to
give me true factual info before i take it totally seriously. but im pretty
sure it is her.
TOPIC -
DATE - 07:34:20 2/09/100
FROM - Vic High
mm - be sure to post your message on cannabis.com and Overgrow to be sure
Smedley and Baudelaire can see it. I
think they both volunteered to take over the fund raising initiatives.
As for Stick, who is he? Has he been one to share
his knowledge with us? Or his resources? Anyways, if what I heard about
Stick's episode was correct, man do my
sympathies go out to him. Talk about dumb blind loyalty heading back south
to pick up Bong. Obviously his heart was
bigger than his wits.
Dr Evil - hmmm, a comparison wouldn't be fair since most all who had Timewarp
experience acknowledged that this
year's crop (or what we were sampling) wasn't the best. And romulan quality
fluctuates big time depending on growing
conditions and the source of the romulan. I've experienced romulan at it's
best, can't say that about the warp.
TOPIC -
DATE - 05:38:07 2/09/100
FROM - mm
sorry to interupt and change the subject again. please excuse my burden...
TOPIC -
DATE - 05:35:02 2/09/100
FROM - mm
just wanted to pass this email onto the brothers/sisters of the worlds.
I haven't been able to get to a computer until today. I'll be around here
for a
few hours. I'll check Stick's mail before I leave. It's kinda weird talking
to
someone I don't know but stick asked me to get a hold of you and ask if
you know
any ideas for helping him. I don't know if you've heard or not but he and
D are
being held in Spokane County Jail. Stick's been granted bail but it's for
$35,000 US and we just don't have access to a lot of funds. He needs $3500
plus
colaterol for $35,000(which I'm hoping someone here can put a lean on their
vehicle or house or something) but for the rest is there anyone online
who can
help in raising funds? Is that something people online would even be able
to do
for him? Please let me know if that's even a plausible idea? I know things
will work out okay eventually - it's just hard to hear him in this situation
and
not be able to do anything right now. I usually don't find myself asking
for a
lot of outside help but this one we need all the support we can get. Even
letters from friends online would help. They can be sent to Stick's hotmail
address and I can print them out and send them to him. He's needs all the
encouragement he can get right now. Some of his friends here have turned
their
back and that's really hurt. Letters of encouragement would be a definate
boost. It was also his birthday on Feb. 3 and he had to spend it in jail
- so
belated birthday messages would probably help to brighten his day. I know
I'm
rattling on but this has been a hard time - I can't talk to a lot of people
in
my life about this but those I have are very supportive. It's Daniel who
can
use all the extra added support right now.
Hope to hear from you soon. Mrs. Stick
TOPIC - Vic-- Comparison between Rom & TTW
DATE - 23:50:32 2/08/100
FROM - Dr. Evil
Hi all, hope all is going well.
Vic: I was wondering how you think the pure romulan and texada time warp,
after comparing them. A mutual friend of
ours :) had some of each not long ago, and to me, they tasted very similar,
with a possible edge in potency going to
the TTW. It was my first time for trying both types, which I sampled on
subsequent evenings, to make a fair
comparison. I'm just curious what you think, after having smoked a lot
of each.
OT1: Are you still in contact with Budm? If so, could you please forward
my e-mail address to him and ask him to drop
me a note. I'd like to say hello to him and see how he is doing. I lost
contact with him during my tribulations last year.
Be Safe
Dr. Evil
TOPIC - this and that
DATE - 19:41:54 2/08/100
FROM - Vic High
First, check out this new hydro setup. This thing rocks!!
http://www.cannabisworld.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000119.html
OK, now to work down the list:
Yes Bong was busted. He is rotting in a US jail.
shayne - Look for Blunt Bros on Hastings, just a few doors up from the old HempBC.
stonerg - maybe I don't fully inderstand how you plan to double the dose,
but a double strength soil mix will fry most
plants unless it has a long time to compost. Good luck :)
yepod - liquid gold is supposed to stimilate nutrient uptake, but I never
noticed any benefit. My bottle is still sitting on
the shelf ;) I think if a plant is lacking in micronutrients it can be
a big plus, or if you are a chem grower. I think foliar
feeding with it is supposed to be the best way to use it?
oak bay - I thought everyone there was too old to be into growing (pre
60s folks, hehe). As for your question, the yield
you can get will depend on your genetics, and how you pruned those babies.
I've seen some get a pound per romulan
using your style. If in grow bags, don't move your plants much to maximize
light. I found that each time I move grow
bags, they go into shock and stall growing. I assume the outer roots get
crushed by the moving? My 2 cents :)
Zip Lock - hope you don't mind, I shared the B with some of the BC boys
you know. As for UV, still a long way from an
conclusive information. But I did find one thing interesting with the last
seed crop. I flowered way past the prime for the
girls like G13 went something like 10 weeks and romulan went way past 3
months. Plus a little powdery mildew started
settling in, so I didn't expect much from the weed. I didn't bother manicuring
these and just ground up the whole plant
(shade leaves and all) and sifted out the seeds. I just put them aside
for someone to make oil if they wished. Well
some got shared and both the G13 and romulan dust (shake) was considered
better than what was available to a
certain group. They actually wanted to buy this shit, haha!! They said
G was more potent but R tasted better. I just
mixed the two for even better reviews, LOL. I tested some of the Romulan
dust and it knocked me flat. I know I'm
biased, but the truth is I found it more potent than normal. And the high
was trippier than I'm used to with romulan. Only
explaination I can come up with is that The intense UV played a role.
If I ever get this new twist up and running, I'll be adding a UV flo tube to each arm.
As for using UV for breeding, I'm a long way from anything concrete yet,
but I have been observing a link between those
plants that thrive under the UV, that heavy skunk smell, and resin production.
I have the male pods drying, I'll get to
doing blinde taste tests on them soon.
Terminator and Terminator2 - hey lurkers, I just can't get them to die!!
That bubbleberry pulled through on both
accounts. New green shoots are coming from the dried out stump. Plus the
top that I tossed in the toilet before I left
was plump and looking full of piss'n'vinigar!! haha. I'm glad it's not
contageous!! haha.
Now back to working on this judges kit from the first annual Cannabis Culture
cannabis cup :) I could use a hand if
there are any volunteers ;)
Link: Wheel of Fortune
TOPIC - BB faking it?
DATE - 16:07:05 2/08/100
FROM - Xpack
Whats the deal with Bongblaster? Does anybody really believe that he was
busted?
TOPIC -
DATE - 15:06:07 2/08/100
FROM - AFOAF
'brid vigor
you have an E
sorry to waste space vic.
TOPIC - seeds
DATE - 13:16:21 2/08/100
FROM - shayne
overcounter sales in Van.-or brothers willing to help
disabled in usa
TOPIC - seeds
DATE - 13:02:58 2/08/100
FROM - shayne
overcounter sales in Van.-or brothers willing to help
disabled in usa
TOPIC - ferts for my ourdoor
DATE - 19:07:16 2/07/100
FROM - stonerg
Hi all... I haven't posted hear for some time, as I moved and didn't have
decent computer access. I have tried to lurk
though, and am constantly amazed by the discussion. In any case, I have
a question. I had some success outside last
summer (thanks again to some of everybody's tips.) This summmer, I hope
to raise even bigger plants. I have only
about 100 litres of soil for each plant, as I must haul it in. Can I go
with Vic's supersoil recipe and double the fertilizers
safely? I won't be able to return until they're done, essentially, because
of where they are so I need to give them
everything all ferts right away. I just thought an outdoor plant might
need more. Ideas?
TOPIC - liquid gold folic (oak bay)
DATE - 01:53:40 2/07/100
FROM - yepod
Please tell me about liquid gold folic - I never heard of it.
TOPIC - 3 month veg
DATE - 22:32:53 2/06/100
FROM - oak bay
i have some plants that i have vegged for approximately 3 months ( nice
local genetics) i have controlled the height by
training them to grow horizontally,due to excessive pinching the number
of bud sites are very high.. i cureently have
them in 10 galon bags. i plan to put three plants under each one of my
brand new sun masters. my question is it
possible to see close to or more then 1 lb of each plant. with the way
i tie them down the amont of light that hits each
branch is truely impressive.. have never veggerd for this long so dont
quite no how well i can do .... peace to all.
feedback would be much appreciated....
TOPIC - Tie downs...
DATE - 11:43:40 2/06/100
FROM - chronic man
I use those tie downs that stretch, so that you don't strangle the plant.
Also, regular thumb tacks work to secure them.
I have been doing it for a while, and yes, it DEFINITELY makes a huge difference
when concerned about yield. It
causes a hormone to be released when the branch is tied down, which increases
branching, not flowering. I only tie
down the larger shoots, and allow the littler one to remain, and then they
in turn seem to turn into large shoots. Some
of my friends who keep their plants in veg for a really long time, tie
the branches over 3 times. Then I guess they figure
they are ready to flower, although they seem too big to me, but to each
his own. Also, some of the lower shoots never
will give you any decent sized buds, so I remove them. I'm not sure you
know but pinching between the 5th to the 6th
node is also a great method of increasing yield. I guess that's about it...
peace
cHrOnIc man
TOPIC - pizza venting
DATE - 01:30:48 2/06/100
FROM - rx
Heat rises ( like unnamed other, baser, material) aand collects along the
ceiling. I exaust up high - at the top. Keep in
mind your exaust will create an infared signature.Insulate the floor only
if it needs it. Hope this helps.
Okay bay - turning tops is recommended by mel frank. I don't know what
advice to give - pull em over, careful not to
break, secure with a twistee tie down. It's a wrestling match. In a matter
of hours the tip will be hearded skyward again
giving a "S" shape, and in a day or two you will have to repeat the operation.
It helps more plant get better and brighter
exposure to the light. Somewhere I heard bending the tips released a hormone
which promotes flowering. personally, I
don't know about that. Good luck!
TOPIC - tie downs and crimping
DATE - 15:43:26 2/05/100
FROM - oak bay
can anybody give me some advice on the art of crimping and tie downs. i
have come to the conclusion that more is not
always better. i was under the assumption that placing 5 to six plants
under a light would thoroughly out yield a few
monsters. what i now realize is tieing down the branches and crimping with
only 3-4 plants under each light is much
more productive. it amazes me daily the growth rates of the buds when they
are trained to grow horizontally. not only
does this increase the density of my tops it also allows the inside growth
to excell. does anybody use the liquid gold
folvic. i love this product to death. any how if any body could give me
some feedback on their experiences with tie
downs and or crimping i would greatly appreciate it. way to go vic high
you are a truely patient teacher. keep the faith
my friends.....
TOPIC - Results if the UV Experiments?
DATE - 14:55:59 2/04/100
FROM - Zachary Zip-Lock
Victor,
Pray enlighten us with the results of you experiments in the nether-world
of UV radiation. Have you used their fiendish
energy to open the dark secrets of nature? Is the herbal potion of Satan
bringing you closer to the pit of eternal
damnation?
What's shaking with the "B" baby?
TOPIC - sr 486
DATE - 09:43:37 2/04/100
FROM - zap
Dear mm, Is the sponsor of sr 486, Orin Hatch, one and the same as got
less than 1% of votes in NH primary? As
chairman of senate judiciary committee, was he not the one who sponsored
ken starr? Will congress follow his lead
again? This could be good news for maijuana activists.
TOPIC - venting &cement floor
DATE - 20:39:06 2/03/100
FROM - pizza
im doing a little re&re on my space.in your opinion where is the best
place to exhaust& intake. also i have a 4x8 table
up off the cement floor should i insulate the floor .
TOPIC - just had to say hey
DATE - 18:51:43 2/03/100
FROM - High-see
hey all ...keyboard is on the mend
anyway got a shot at my budz keyboard and thought I'd say hey ...been awhile
,everythings great ... got my aero unit
up and pumping donate to a persons legal defense, hmmmmmm should be okay
well gotsta rasta
take care -n- be safe
High-see
>
TOPIC - Auction Inflation ...
DATE - 15:25:13 2/03/100
FROM - Jelly Roll Jack
Couldn't help but notice that the winning bids for those "left over" beans
at the A-1 Auction were at least 4X higher than
the first time around.
That's good in one respect ... more money was raised. In addition, a new
system that discourages bullshit bids was
set up ... which will certainly help in the future.
But ... it also looks like the days of snatching up bargain beans are over
... drat!
TOPIC - Vic High
DATE - 13:01:22 2/03/100
FROM - friend
You have ogmail.
TOPIC - bonzai kush
DATE - 04:34:43 2/03/100
FROM - caylx
mm - it looks like the aclu will have another winner. ACLU v. Reno (internet
- porn) crashed and burned the commo
decency act. Judges are going to lead the way to the land of milk and honey.
(aclu will show them the way.) Viva free
speech.
Enough of politics. Vic,hypothetically, I am smoking bonsai kush (cough,
cough.)Not bad. I'm trying to cross breed for
vigor and this sat is first generation. Its characteristics are predominatly
sativian. It is very vigorous with lots of leaf and
thick stems. Early flowers are more individual than clustered and the milky
whites are long. It has scrogged on its own
without chicken wire. The absence of fragrance alarms me. "The nose knows"
is my motto. Question now: if it's low hit
should I go on with another generation hoping to jazz up the potency or
should I just throw it in and take a trip to HS?
This is a hypthetical question - of course.
TOPIC - bong
DATE - 15:02:46 2/02/100
FROM - Vic High
MM - what I heard is that he is now in state jail, but I wasn't able to
get specifics. Maybe when they say released, they
meant transferred? I have no idea, hopefully I'll get a clearer picture
in a day or two.
coyote - no idea on sat question. Other than that, whatcha smoking?
TOPIC -
DATE - 05:35:45 2/02/100
FROM - mm
spokane jail 509/477-2278
TOPIC - strange
DATE - 05:35:00 2/02/100
FROM - mm
hippie chick was on legalize last night. Said boy went to court. no bail.
in for at least 70 days, till next court date. said
is staying informed by attorneys from states and canada and will keep everyone
posted.
strange three internet peeps called the spokane jail last night. all were
told that boy had been released on january 30
and sent on his way. that is a sunday.
go figure!!!????
TOPIC - the witchhunt has begun. think smart-stay safe
DATE - 05:32:10 2/02/100
FROM - mm
This is the single most scary piece of legislation I've seen on the fast
track. We need to call our US Senators and
Representatives about this. The US Capitol Switchboard is (202) 224-3121,
ask for your rep's office and tell them to
stop SR 486.
Newshawk: http://www.MAPinc.org/drugnews/
Pubdate: 26 Jan - 1 Feb 2000
Source: Village Voice (NY)
Copyright: 2000 VV Publishing Corporation
Contact: editor@villagevoice.com
Address: 36 Cooper Square, New York, NY 10003
Feedback: http://www.villagevoice.com/aboutus/contact.shtml
Website: http://www.villagevoice.com/
Author: Russ Kick
Note: This article is the result of a MAP press release.
Related: http://www.mapinc.org/alert/0146.html
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00/n071/a01.html
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00/n081/a09.html
WASHINGTON 451
This is how the burning begins. Down in Washington, D.C., the censors
gather into a pile the books and Web sites they hate, grab a gallon of
gas,
and strike a match. But they call this bonfire a bill, a piece of
legislation, which is legal and tidy. It's happening now with S.R. 486
--
remember that number -- which has already passed the Senate with unanimous
support. The bill sits in the House, awaiting the same blessing. If it
becomes law, the publishers of a large number of pro-drug Web sites and
books could wind up in jail, or out of business.
Drug war reformers suspect they are the true targets, and this week they're
stepping up lobbying efforts against S.R. 486. Angry e-mails are on their
way to Washington, and several sites devoted to trashing the bill have
been
launched. But the protests may be in vain.
"We want to make it difficult for people to produce illegal substances,"
explains Chris Cannon, the House sponsor of the Senate version introduced
by Dianne Feinstein and Orrin Hatch. "We are hoping to have hearings in
March, and pass the bill this year, sooner rather than later."
It should not be overly difficult. The Methamphetamine Anti-Proliferation
Act, as it's called, contains several politically attractive clauses that
portend its passage into law. Drug warriors love the additional narcocops
it sends to the front, and the way it stiffens sentences for
methamphetamine distributors and cooks. But while these are standard
measures in the war on drugs, zero tolerance for pro-drug data expands
the
battlefield from deeds to words.
The bill makes it illegal "to teach or demonstrate the manufacture of a
controlled substance, or to distribute by any means information pertaining
to, in whole or in part, the manufacture or use of a controlled substance"
if a prosecutor can prove the info figured in a crime.
That's a mandate as big and broad as Montana sky. It covers information
about safe dosage levels of illegal drugs, which combinations pose dangers,
and which do not. It covers explanations about how to use marijuana to
fight nausea and glaucoma. It covers tip sheets on how to harvest opium
from poppies, identify psilocybin mushrooms in the wild, or extract codeine
from Tylenol 3. In short, anything that could possibly be "intended" to
encourage drug use.
Not only that, but under the bill, advertising any information that could
lead to the sale of drug paraphernalia counts as a felony. So if you post
the address of a head shop to a newsgroup, or the e-mail address of someone
who makes bongs as a hobby, it's a crime punishable by three years in jail,
even though head shops themselves remain legal.
There's a strong possibility that the law will shut down an entire class
of
drug advocacy. Already, publishers and activists are preparing to pull
in
their wares, or go overseas. Mark Greer, the executive director of Drug
Sense, a nonprofit dedicated to accurate drug policy information, fears
his
archive of 30,000 clippings regarding drug policy could be the target of
a
federal suit brought by a D.A. on a scalp hunt to prove the new law works.
"Given the vague and inclusive interpretation of federal conspiracy laws,
almost any information about criminalized drugs and any dissent against
existing drug laws could be construed by federal enforcers as furthering
drug crimes," says Greer. "Any anti drug war Web site would be shut down
directly, or indirectly because Internet service providers, fearing
prosecution, would refuse to host such sites." Greer is preparing for this
eventuality by exploring steps to move his site offshore.
But even if he relocates to a cyberdomain beyond America's jurisdiction,
anyone linking to his site from within the States could be punished under
the proposed law. "The main thrust of this law is toward the Internet,"
explains Marv Johnson, an ACLU attorney specializing in the legislation.
The Internet's free flow of information "has Congress running scared."
And
when it comes to drug paraphernalia, Congress is running far ahead of the
First Amendment. Under this bill, even linking to a paraphernalia site
is
illegal.
But in the final analysis, it's less the prosecutions than the censoring
effect this law will have that worries civil libertarians. "It's clearly
going to chill publishing," says Johnson, and he's not exaggerating.
The American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression believes bookstores
will be forced to withdraw certain drug titles, according to its president,
Chris Finan.
Over at Ronin Publishing, one of the leading publishers of drug titles,
tension is in the air. "Will the police storm into my house?" asks Beverly
Potter, the company's president. She fears the law will criminalize every
aspect of the book industry that deals with drug literature. "Every
printer, every truck driver delivering these books will be a criminal."
"If it passes, we would probably pull all of our drug books, since I am
unwilling to spend several hundred thousand dollars that I don't have to
prove that my 'intent' satisfies Big Brother," says Mike Hoy, president
of
the radical publishing house Loompanics Unlimited. "This bill is the single
most un-American thing I have ever seen."
Perhaps. But under the Clinton administration, it's as American as apple
pie. Last August, Clinton set the precedent for the methamphetamine act
by
signing a law (also Feinstein's handiwork) making it a felony to
disseminate instructions for making bombs, destructive devices, or weapons
of mass destruction. And while that move came in response to the Oklahoma
City bombing, its effects are still being felt. Paladin Press no longer
publishes any material involving explosives recipes, and Loompanics doesn't
sell books exclusively about explosives. On the Internet, where bomb-making
instructions were once abundant, there is now a void.
If this drug bill passes, the most immediate and concrete impact will be
on
the two dozen or so sites which currently sell drug paraphernalia, from
bongs to paper -- and the countless places that link to them. These sites
will become illegal, even though brick and mortar head shops will still
be
able to operate within the letter of the law.
The deeper question, of course, is whether S.R. 486 violates the First
Amendment. Representative Chris Cannon, the House sponsor, is unconcerned.
"We have worked a lot with the attorneys at the Department of Justice;
we
have been pretty thorough there," he says, adding, "We don't even expect
a
court challenge."
That may come as news to the ACLU, but Cannon's confidence is based on
strange but safe legal ground, territory already strewn with the bones
of
another Paladin project: Hit Man, a murder how-to book. After a
killer-for-hire allegedly acted on the book's step-by-step instructions,
the victims' families sued Paladin. The courts allowed the lawsuit to go
forward, and Paladin settled for a reported $5 million. The ruling that
the
lawsuit could proceed is being cited by the Louisiana Court of Appeals
in
the legal action against Oliver Stone over Natural Born Killers, which
allegedly incited two 18-year-olds to go on a violent crime spree. And
it
sets a precedent for holding publishers accountable that could make this
bill legit in the eyes of the courts.
From the ACLU's perspective, Johnson thinks that "in theory" prosecutors
would have a hard time proving "intent." In a case, they would have to
prove that a publisher knew beforehand that some reader would find in a
book the motivation for a crime. Nevertheless, the results of the Hit Man
case are troubling, he says, and the future of this area of law is still
undetermined.
If the Meth Act becomes law, Johnson says the ACLU's likely course of
action will not be to challenge the bill immediately, but rather to save
its attack until someone is prosecuted, and then defend that person. Any
volunteers?
TOPIC -
DATE - 05:25:40 2/02/100
FROM - mm
this site has some informative articles in it. read the interviews, the
judges rationale, and the letters.
Watch PBS and check out website:
Frontline: Busted
How effective is
America's war on
marijuana? Join
the discussion.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/
TOPIC - fragrance-potency co-relation?
DATE - 01:52:00 2/02/100
FROM - coyote
Dear Vic, if an unpolinated female sativa has no fragrance at the second
week of flowering does this forecast low hit or
no hit shit?
Do you people like playing the fox at the fox hunt? The auction brings you attention of leo. What do you expect?
If they get too tough in BC bring skills MJ prosecution in the US is at
an all time low. There is strong sentiment to
legalize. Seven out of seven compasionate use initatives have been approved
by the voters. Jesse Ventura (among
other prominent politicians). If they get too tough in BC bring skills
to the US. wants to legalize.
TOPIC - Delay 24 hours....
DATE - 22:21:17 2/01/100
FROM - happy traveler
Stuck in a rut. 24 hour set back....will contact you soon.
MG
TOPIC - Bongblaster
DATE - 22:39:35 1/31/100
FROM - watchin em fall
#3 or is it #4? Is this just another coincidence?....
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