Time 14:35, 31 Oct 1998
From cookii
eric - no, i really don't think so. what
they did do, was to enable the plants to live
in an extremely hostile environment
that would normally not support cannabis
plants. well, not without daily water
anyway.
i think the drainage had more to do with
it all. and, being a headland, very little
cloud cover ever stays there, so more
sunshine too.
the thickened husk i attribute to the
hostile conditions, though perhaps you are
onto something there - maybe the polymer
added to that quality.
i've used them in plenty of smaller tests
too, and didn't notice any enhanced
resin production ever.
chicken manure seems to be the best food
for boosting stickiness that i know of
:)
Time 08:01, 31 Oct 1998
From ERIC
I was thinkin last night about what you said cookii..
about the plants that you grew in sand
how they seemed to produce more resin
and a better covering for the seeds...
and you also said that you used those
polymjers in the sand..
Do you think the polymers increased the
resin production.
Time 18:01, 30 Oct 1998
From cookii
kenkeman - thanks man, that's nice to read...
i have a particular interest in this
variety, as it was one of the most important
building blocks in my own
strain [Red Stripe], which is my most
favourite smoke ever. my larger type grows
typically from 9 to 12 feet tall,
with leaves that are somewhere between
all it's ancestors. it has distinctive red
stripes along the stems,
these are very pronounced on most plants.
flowering is usually 8 to 10 weeks,
some plants go for 14, a few a bit less
than 8 weeks. it depends on the site and
exact time of planting..
when smoked, the high is very quick,
and long lasting [5 or 6 hours strongly
stoned.] it has a very clear, intense
high, that is good for music and doing
things. the best plants give you a hot-flush
effect when inhaled, and make your
nose tingle as exhaled.. it's all good,
hehe.
oh, guano is mostly phosphorus.
peace....
Time 15:05, 30 Oct 1998
From Kenkeman
Cookii!
I can tell you what little I know.The
plants are grown in the archipelago of
Las Perlas in the Pacific Ocean about
25 miles off the coast of
Panama.There are approximately 15 to
20 islands of which 3 or 4 are
inhabited.
The seeds are normal size with a dark
hue to them.Most have stripes that
run vertically and are cream colored.
Two years ago I purchased about a pound
of dried bud.It had lots of
seeds but the high was still intense.I
would throw the seeds out my window
over a small garden outside my window.Several
weeks afterward I noticed
several plants growing.With only morning
sun they grew at a rapid rate
with a strong main truck and decent
branching.It grew to about 5 feet in 3
months with no attention whatsoever.My
neighbors began to notice so I
had to pull the plant.
Personally I have never seen them on
the islands but I have been told by my
provider that they grow upwards of 12
feet and produce long slender buds.
After they are dried they are bright golden with red hairs covering all
the
buds.
Terrain on the islands is quite luscious
with many trees.My guy, an old
timer, says that the best he has ever
smoked came from a plot located near
several huge rock formations which are
inhabited by an abundance of shore
birds. (gulls, pelicans, frigate birds)He
claims to have used their
excriments as fertilizers.These are
almost pure potasium!
That is pretty much what I can offer
for now.I will do some research and
keep you posted.
It is important to note that we get weed
here all the time but normally it is not top
quality and lacks the true red traits.One
must know who the provider and
the quality of the product.Last years
december harvest was supreme.
No seeds and a smooth taste with a long cerebral high that turned
lethargic after a while.Nice..
Hope that fills you in.
later,
Kenkeman
Time 13:37, 30 Oct 1998
From cookii
kenkeman - is it possible you could give
us a very detailed description of the
red, from seed to harvest? i personally
would enjoy reading as many pages on
this as could be written:DDo you know
what the average npk++ of
the areas used is? are there any particular
notable quantities of
anyparticular nutrient? [eg some regions
have very high phosphorus
levels naturally, some are very low,
some might be rich in certain minerals, etc
etc].hoping you can spare the time to
manage something:))
Time 13:25, 30 Oct 1998
From cookii
anon-if your going to have this plant
outside, go for a five to ten gallon
size planting bag, the bigger the better.
be sure to add a little clay to the
mixture. tying the plants down is drastically
superior to cutting it back, aside from
the hormonal pressure caused by altering
the plants orientation seriously, cutting
them adds a great deal of time to the
overall cycle, and perhaps worst of
all, should severe weather conditions come
about [storms, gusting wind etc], then
it's quite likely the thing will split into
pieces, leaving you with a pile of sticks
and some compost when there should
have been a 1/2 lb of ganja or so:)
as you have already cut the thing,
reinforce the area with a little string
[hemp fiber is good for this, but be sure to
dry it before use, as it shrinks a bit].
Time 10:24, 30 Oct 1998
From anon
pot=pfm pfm=positive frame of mind :)
Time 09:24, 30 Oct 1998
From anon
hey vic you're on. i read your bio on
the BC growers association page... it would
be interesting to hear your critique
of my methodology. also i'm curious as to the
limits of 3 gallon grow bags. one sativa
got moved outside. i had to top it at five
feet because it was out growing it's
camoflage. the twin tops have grown another
foot. so the plant is about six feet
tallin a three gallon grow bag outdoors.
acapulco sativa. it must be getting
near to the point where the 3 gallon grow
bag is too small, but the thing just wont stop growing... :) any thoughts???
Time 09:17, 30 Oct 1998
From anon
... and for the sake of accuracy. use
fish emulsions or chicken shit tea every
third watering or so right into the
first couple of weeks of the flowering period
until the plants stop stretching. if
you've grown before you know the effect. after
switching the lights to 12/12 the plants
will go into a growth spurt for a week or
two before you achieve budset. use the
fish emulsions or chicken manure tea
right up to the point of budset (the
point where you can distinguish bud
formation). then switch to the high
phosphorus formula. straight water for about
the last week of budding. EXCELLENT
results. NO EXOTIC MATERIALS
NECESSARY.
Time 09:04, 30 Oct 1998
From anon
....oops forgot to mention the small
handfull of lime in my magic mix from a while
back. you really don't need exotic stuff
to achieve EXCELLENT results. growing
weed is so fun :)-~
Time 06:41, 30 Oct 1998
From KenKeman (kenkeman@hotmail.com)
Oldtimer!Good point concerning the june
crop.The problem this
year was that the june crop got sprayed
and never made it.At least none
of the true excelent red.We had lots
of other weed but nothing to write
home about.
This discussion group seems much more
mature and to the point.As a
newbie and someone who is truly interested
in breeding top quality ganj I find
that it is incredibly informative.I
will offer opinions when I can and as I learn
more.
Smoke and let live!
Time 05:49, 30 Oct 1998
From cookii
another thing about growing on sand -
due to the extreme conditions perhaps,
the plants tend to be particularly resinous.
this then helps stick the wind-blown
ultra-fine sand [that gets into everything
up there] well and truly through the
entire harvest!two big problems with
that - it wrecks screens,
it introduces errors when weighing out.
Time 05:41, 30 Oct 1998
From cookii
ot1- nah, it's straight up beach sand
! for real, it truly is beach, kinda light
sandy-colored stuff... hehehe:D
in the 30's depression, work gangs went
up this peninsular i'm talking about,
planting millions of radiata seedlings
into what was then the reddish stuff you
mention [probably].
however, as the years go by, the beach
is moved up and into the trees, so if you
dig at a large size trunk, it goes down
several metres! i digress....
it's certainly got one great advantage
growing up there, hardly anyone believes
it's even possible! but you do need
to get a large amount of water in there to
start with, or spend a long time
preparing the polymer in the field -
it works best if you pre-soak it to max
capacity before using with something
like fish fert, chicken manure mixture.
and wetted lime [stuck into lumps] helps.
if anyone is thinking about using pine
areas, be sure to keep the pine needles
out of your garden, they take up a lot
of nutrients somehow, and then hold onto
them very firmly for a very long time!!
to be avoided...
Time 01:35, 30 Oct 1998
From oldtimer1
Hi KenKeMan welcome This is a good site
but open to all !!! If you don't mind me
askingis there a difference between
the Christmas crop and the June one
and if there is do you know why?? By
the way thanks for your reply to my last
question at canna kids.
This site and its link BC growers are
to my mind unique. They give unbiased info
and good research. Vicís administration
is good and you always know where you
stand. Vic has said time and again he
doesn't sell seed direct or do swaps. His
interests are breeding and developing
organic growing systems. I just don't know
how he does it all and a full time job.
When he had good results he made them
available at a seed store at low cost
so anyone could afford them and yet still he
gets harassed by people for seed. Please
give him space to do what he is best
at!!! I donít want to see these sites
drop off my screen they are some of the best
up here and should be supported.
cookii I think what to you are talking
about is sand stone soil not beach sand.
Sand stone soil is usually acid, high
in potash, very low in phosphorus, nitrogen
and chock full of silicates and of course
very free draining. So what you are
doing should give you dynamite puff
its spot on. The only thing I would change
are the type of polymers. By the way
does the sand have a red tinge if to it?
All the best Ot1
Time 15:54, 29 Oct 1998
From ERIC
Ken ke....I have a friend that is experimenting
with molds...there is a mold that
grows on a certain fruit peel...you
get it going and then introduce it to your pot....
it intensifies the high and the taste....maybe
the same thing..id like to talk to you
about it....
ericcarr21@hotmail.com
well not the same thing but maybe similiar
Time 15:34, 29 Oct 1998
From KenKeMan
Received a post from 67ed linking me
to this sight.Great info!If I can
help with anything please tell me!Still
haven't gotten the true Panama Red
in yet although it is slated for mid
december.I know of a hectare on one of
the islands in the bay of Panama that
that has a great batch..
One interesting note.Last years batch
was sprayed during its last two
weeks with a local licor called Seco.Seco
is made from fermented sugar
cane (similar by a little to vodka).Outcome
was difficult to
determine.Taste was somewhat different
and the high was energetic and
up.Lasted for 4 to 6 hours off one joint
spliff with a couple of friends...I can
give more info if anyone is curious.Didn't
leave an email addy since I'm
kinda new and a little tentative.
Saludos!Fumen Monte!
el Kenkeman
Time 14:56, 29 Oct 1998
From 67ed
I just invited him to come on over because
I don't have his e-mail addy: hope no
one minds.
Time 14:48, 29 Oct 1998
From ERIC
ok i will volenteer to do the test with
the polymers...im going to use
agrodiamonds....i will give full details
when i recieve them and throughout the
trial
Time 13:58, 29 Oct 1998
From MIRAGE (mirage@lycosmail.com)
67ed~ I would love to indulge in your
good fortune in the PR seed as soon as
you recieve them..
Time 13:09, 29 Oct 1998
From cookii
polymers- hmmmm, i have to say that i
have only tested one brand, it's called
'crystal rain'. it made the plants smell
odd, plasticy, but not unpleasant. the
strangest thing is, the wierd smell
stayed in the strain for a few generations! yes,
after using it on one year,in gardens
that had some seed plants , those seeds
and their decendants had the same strange
smell...so strange, i don't
trust it at all. good for commercial
gardens that can't be watered for logistical
reasons, but that's about it. So, if
any of you people are thinking of trying it
indoors, forget it. As i said earlier,
it was miraculous in sand [beach sand, no
soil!!]. leave it at that, and you'll
be satisfied
Time 12:13, 29 Oct 1998
From ERIC
here is another post from the guy
Thanks for your inquiry.
AgroDiamonds containerizes the water
& nutrients-releasing them only upon
plant demand, or when the soil dries
down.
The result is the Diamonds actually benefit plants that do not like wet feet.
Our professional growers in Florida and
Oregon can attest to this-in fact, one
of the reasons they use the Diamonds
is because they open up the soil,
allowing for excess water to drain away.There
are a number of growers
who
have written articles stating that because
of the improvement in the structure
of the soil, they have eliminated root
diseases entirely.
I hope I've answered your question.If
you have any other questions,
please
contact me at your convenience.
Best Regards,
Bill Rabold/AgroDiamonds
Time 11:49, 29 Oct 1998
From oldtimer1
If agro diamonds are potassium based
I don't understand the plastic taste I did
some trials with fertile and the results
were as sweet as a nut. The only thing I
can think of is to much phosphorus which
can make off tastes if there is an
excess in the buds. Iím puzzled Ot1.
Time 08:07, 29 Oct 1998
From ERIC
Vic.......dont pull the plug on this...
just deal with the problem...
Yes im in a farming area...i will check
with some of the coops around here...
but NONE of the nurseries or gardening
supply house carry andy of those things
it looks like i will be ordering alot
maybe i will get luck though...
YES...all organic...im putting it togethetr
for next year...i want to have everything
included in the soil before planting...maybe
supplly a few tea feedings here and
there....
Vic..your mixture will be used outdoors
they will be brought to full sexual
maturaty ..transplanted at 1 foot tall in MAY and
harvested when ready....
Time 07:47, 29 Oct 1998
From ERIC
Hey everybody,
I went looking for potassium based polymers...found some
AGRODIAMONDS
e-mailed the guy to see what they were
made of...here is his responce
AgroDiamonds is a potassium based polymer.
That's important for agriculture, as
several studies were done on sodium based
polymers, with the results being that
sodium based polymers bind certain
nutrients within the matrix of the cell
walls.
Another important aspect of AgroDiamonds
is, it is the only polymer made
exclusively for agriculture.
Many of the so-called "agricultural polymers"
are nothing more than diaper
polymers or salvaged materials.There
are alot of polymers on the market
that
present alot of research or evidence
to their abilities and longevity.
Unfortunately, these polymers have never
been tested and are simply copying
the research that is available, either
thru the internet or library.
AgroDiamonds has documented research,
which if you look closely, is
remarkably
similar to ours.Whenever we run into
this situation with professional
growers, we simply tell them to have
these competing companies provide
independent research on the univirsity's
letterhead, which, not surprisingly
never seems to materialize.
Another fact to consider is, why aren't
other polymers used in nursery
production.They don't work and growers
know this-thus their application in
agriculture is limited to tree planting-if even that!
What application are you considering using the Diamonds?
Look forward to hearing from you again.
Best Regards,
Bill Rabold/AgroDiamonds
you can find them at www.agrodiamonds.com
they have a trial offer for 2 onces
of it.....
Time 07:02, 29 Oct 1998
From jeremy
vic, dont pull the plug man.
maybe just put in bold print at the
top of your page " I DONT
SELL/TRADE/DONATE SEEDS TO ANYBODY"
maybe have altavista translate it into
about 7 languages too eh?
i had some bubbleberry seeds that i
got from ME a couple years ago but i just
grew a couple out and forced the girls
for my own stash. if i had known it was
gonna be so good i would have kept one
for a mother. anyway, i was wanting to
try the whole blueberry this time. i
also got mangolian indica from marc and even
though sag says they dont dealm with
the guy, i'm telling ya for sure the seeds
were legit. i still have that strain
going.
later stoners.......peace
Time -3:55, 29 Oct 1998
From cookii
cool. i'd really appreciate that 67ed
:D
t h a n k s !!!
Time 20:55, 28 Oct 1998
From 67ed
Cookii, If I can get these, I'll get
you some too. He was interested in trading for
some good, indoor seeds.
Time 20:01, 28 Oct 1998
From cookii
yeah the thing with the PR is those darn
leaves indeed..really does take a
bit of working with it to get some nice
flowers.
ot1 - thanks for the tips on polymers,
much appreciated, i'll try to find it.
Time 19:10, 28 Oct 1998
From Vic High
Eric - you are probably just looking
in the wrong places. Any farmers in your
area? Most areas have farmers, so think
like a farmer and not a pot grower.
Then you'll find the old universal farming
ingredients that make up my recipe.
The only ingredients that would be tricky
to get would be the worm castings, and
it seems as if you have a handle on
that. The soil could be called Sunshine #2,
Fisson's #2, or promix (BX I believe).
As a kid, I moved around alot, and lived in
many small hick towns, but getting any
of the ingredients of my soil recipe was
never a problem.
That recipe of mine has been fine tuned
to keep all the nutes in the right
proportion for each stage of plant growth
when growing large plants where you
veg for about 3-4 weeks. So far any
modifications have resulted in reduced
yields because the soil's nutes and
breakdown rate are thrown out of wack. I've
tried suppliments, but usually they
result in much lower yields. Just shortening
the veg period and flowering more smaller
plants cut my yields in half. I suspect
that this was because the bone meal
hadn't had time to break down enough, and
that the soil's nitrogen levels remained
too high during flowering.
I want to try the rock phosphate and
I will as soon as I've finished fine tuning the
addition of worm castings and kelp meal
in place of the manure.
jeremy - sorry if the response sounded
touchy. It was meant for more than just
you. I get several emails daily requesting
seeds. This blows me away. I've never
said that I'm in the seed business except
on one page on my web page. And on
that page I thought I made it clear
that Heavan's Stairway was handling the
sales. If you or anyone can elighten
me on how to make it more clear, I'm all
ears. The attention is kinda freaking
me out and I'm considering pulling the plug.
Time 19:00, 28 Oct 1998
From 67ed
Sorry, forgot to add my name to post.
peace
Time 18:55, 28 Oct 1998
From anon
for all of you organic freaks (like me) here's my two cents worth.
6 parts redi-gro potting soil
1 part vermiculite
2 parts perlite
1 part chicken manure
every third watering or so use fish emulsions
as directed. two or three times
during veg. phase replace fish emulsions
with chicken manure tea. three weeks
into flowering high phosphorus fert.
is substituted for fish emulsion. all of this is
done in three gallon grow bags with
plants that are lightly pruned and flowered
after 30 days veg. the plants stay EXTREMELY
healthy and look like the picts. in
hightimes. each plant yields between1-1/2
ozs. of the smoothest sweetest
potent smoke you can imagine. many people
have commented on the incredible
smoothness and bouquet. organic all
the way folks.... and you don't need fancy
exotic ingredients to get EXCELLENT
results. peace all.
Time 18:49, 28 Oct 1998
Eric-I've used super phosphate(0-18-0)
many times with no prob, but I've burned
plants to death with Natural Guard worm
castings!
Mirage: I'm maybe getting
some PR seeds in Jan. If it happens,
I'll share a few. One problem I forsee with
wild panamaian is the poor calyx to
leaf ratio. Posi haze( mostly columbian x
mexican)might be the same high, but
with better bud yield and less leaves.
Jeremy: You can get Vic's seeds from
Richard.
Ot1: Must
have a newer, better bulb, but the nearest
gro store is 250 miles away. Does
anyone know if it's safe now to order
thru the mail? Peace
Time 18:01, 28 Oct 1998
From cookii
ooops, that was meant to say " the plant
yielded three and a half pounds of
manicured bud"
Time 17:58, 28 Oct 1998
From cookii
mirage - hehe, sorry, but sadly i don't
have the pure PR anymore... it was
crossed in ten years ago, and in between
i was wiped out [by the state and
thieves who stole the backups of many
years breeding.] i would LOVE to get it
again, average yield is three to five
pounds per plant!
vic - of course, sand is the stuff on
beaches for this discussions purposes :)
i was thinking of crops i've done in pineforest planted on sandspits, it
was
tricky to get enough soil-like ingredients
to the sites, but worked great once that
was done. some of the gardens were done
with just polymer and chicken shit
mixed into the sand. even that worked
!
rock phosphate is fantastic stuff for
adding into most soil mixes, you seem to get
back almost the weight of it used in
extra yeild if done right. i've never burnt
anything with it, but it does have a
lot of calcium in there with the phosphorus,
and too much of that seems to stop resin
production pretty much dead in it's
tracks. that said, i've put about 3
kilos of it under a big plant,
the plant yeilded three and a half kilos
in manicured bud. [ten weeks]
Time 17:27, 28 Oct 1998
From justice
ERIC- hey are you trying to stay strictly
organic???
if not i would say your plan sounds
fine but it might be overkill...
you don't want to give your girls too
much at the beginning and have to maintain
a high fert life cycle. i couldn't say
for sure what would be overkill or not enough
but if you can find some time release
pellets they might work well for ya.
as for me, well, lets see...
i take a bale of sunshine mix #2, mix
in a large bag of worm castings, some
alfalfa meal (from some company called
something like sunshine harvest, really
colorful bag) and a few bags of their
flower power. i sometimes use a bunck of
bat guano, which is expensive but if
you can spare the twenty bucks it is worth
it's weight in gold.
anybody else got some suggestions...?
Time 14:41, 28 Oct 1998
From jeremy
sorry vic, didnt realize it was a touchy
issue (seeds)
does anyone know of any good homemade
ebb and flow setups?
i have the resevoir, pump and tubing
taken care of but what is the best way to
secure the plant to the system itself?
they dont make the 2 litre bottles with the
hard plastic cup on the bottom anymore.
and what method of delivery? drip
lines? how about recovery?
Time 13:24, 28 Oct 1998
From ERIC
Man..i like it here....you guys are very
helpful...
well then I think that If i take a real
good potting soil maybe like shultz
profeesional mix
add as many worm castings and Rock phoshate
and Fertile polymors as i want
as long as the texture and drainage
are stilll good
but looks like that would be all you
would need to add to a potting soil...
maybe feed them once a month..or just
as they need it with an organic tea
made mainly from chicken shit during
veg growth.......
but i will have to find something different
for the flowering stage ..the chicken shit
is too much N
well....if anyone has a comment on this..i
would appreciate you taking the time to
type it out.....
maybe a good source to order this stuff
from..they dont have it here
see..I was taught to put worms in the
soil at my patches a long time ago..but i
always thought it was just for the tunnels
they dug..I had NO idea that their crap
was what was doing the trick
Thats why i say this and all sites like
it are great for the spread of this
knowledge...Thanks guys
Time 11:13, 28 Oct 1998
From oldtimer1
cookii & back breaker. Try and find
a polymer called Fertile unlike most others
which are based on sodium and leave
residues of sodium it is based on
potassium. Itholds 40% more water than
the sodium ones and leaves no
nasty residues it is completely inert
and wont make your puff taste of plastic.
ERICfine ground rock phosphate does not
burn as a tip it works better in
slightly acid soil ph 6 to 6.5. I've
farmed worms for over 30 years plants could go
straight into it but its to rich really
and better balanced with other things.
67ed son t agroís have added blue light
but don't produce results as good as
the ordinary son t plus lamp both will
work well with a 400 w sodium ballast, yes it
has a yellow light but not like the
old sodiums.
All the best Ot1.
Time 08:45, 28 Oct 1998
From ERIC CARR
I think i have smoked some bud with that
plastic flavor.....smelt like burning
plastic.....VERY strong...i will never
forget it..
cookii>>> was it VERY strong in the smell..and
does anyone know why it would
effect the smell of the bud?????
Rock phosphate
worm castings
has anyone ever burned their plants
with either of these?
Mirage>>>>some one on the breeding board
at Cannabis com mention Panama
Red
and i believ it was coming straight
from the country of orgin...you might want to
go check it out.....I think 67ED has
got some on the way.
Vic>>>>>Is the soil mix you have listed
...is it a poting soil and then you add your
other ingredints to it...the reason
i ask is because 90% of the ingredints
arent sold ANYWHERE around here,,,
I would like to try taking a GREAT poting
soil and add wormcastings. rock
phosphate....vermiculite and some agrodiamonds...but
something needs to be
added during flowering
Time -3:23, 28 Oct 1998
From MIRAGE (mirage@lycosmail.com)
Cookii ~You mentioned on another HempBC
Discussion page about some
"Panama Red" you had .... I have searched
for this one for so long ! Can you
please contact me with your email etc
...
These Sativa's are so few , i'd love
to have them again ..
Swap something for this beauty ?
Time 19:49, 27 Oct 1998
From Vic High
Mota - I'll be checking my hotmail next,
but I have what I hope is good news for
you. Will explain later.
jeremy - I don't sell seeds. I have no
interest in becoming a seed dealer. Either
read the directions at my webpage, or
buy seeds from Heavan's Stairway,
laughing moon, freedies, weedseed, or
any other seedbank who is in the
business of selling seeds. Thanks.
cookie - so many ideas of what sand is,
haha. When I think of sand, I think of
beach sand (minus the salt of course).
Your right, rock phosphate is the shit!
Breeder steve uses it in his secret
mix that he sells for big bucks at the grow
stores in Vancouver. I actually have
a local recipe that that incorporates it. I'll
see if I can add it to the webpage sometime.
Time 19:23, 27 Oct 1998
From anon
hey everyone...whenever you're up around
montreal, look me up. i can show ya
some cool sights and fun stuff to do.
Time 18:36, 27 Oct 1998
From cookii
backbreaker -agrodiamonds - yeah, i've
used that stuff, it's ok, it works...
makes yr herb smell/taste like some
wierd plastic tho !but, you can mix it
up 50/50 with sand [ that is once its
been soaked to full absorbancy first with fish
fertizer, for example]i've had successful
crops with it, no need to ever
water , just go back once to check the
installation took, once again to pull males,
again to check flowering/feeding, and
then harvest... no water needed at all...
makes a plastic flavour not too bad a price to pay. and, if your crop is
very
fragrant, it will mask the strange smell
mostly anyways..:)still, not the
stuff for purists....
Vic-it would seem that sand would be
locked up, but maybe the action of
the soils activity might release some?
The best sand to use, if your going to
add it in specially, would be what is called
'rock phosphate', the stuff thats used
as raw material for phosphate plants...
i've used this many times, and swear by it!!just put a large cup per
plant into your mixture, and laugh as
it delivers massive ammounts of
non-burning phosphate to the plants
just what they need it most. top dress
halfway through flower cycle with a
similar amount for best results. if you mix a bit
of unsweetened compost with it, the
acids present quickly go to work releasing
the stuff for the plants. try it!
Time 16:11, 27 Oct 1998
From Mota
Vic,
Did you get my e-mail?
PAZ,
Mota
Time 14:55, 27 Oct 1998
From jeremy
hello all
vic, i'd like to get some blueberry
seeds
i'd gladly send you mere money in exchange
let me know please
Time 00:46, 27 Oct 1998
From 67ed
Ot1-I'm smoking a different bud off the
Skunk, and it's better than the bud the
other night. They're still wet, and
I have to dry them in the microwave before
smoking. Is the son t plus agroa mostly
red-orange light with a little blue in
the spectrum? Will it work with a 400
hps ballast? I don't believe that indoor is as
good as outdoor. all these strains are
long acclimatized to indoor conditions that
don't favor super thc producing strains.
I don't think Neville should have
introduced Ruderalis into the gene pool
of drug strains. I'm sorry about your
condition, maybe you'll find something
that helps someday. I'm really too high to
go on composing and typing this tonight.
Peace, 67ed
Time 19:02, 26 Oct 1998
From RC
David ~ Nevil now works with Greenhouse,
so you can expect to see some of his
latest work under their flag.
Time 16:43, 26 Oct 1998
From david
Thanks for the info eric,does nevil have
a web page or something i could order
seeds from him?
thanks
Time 14:06, 26 Oct 1998
From oldtimer1
67edOrdinary glass blocks 98% + uv or
alters its spectrum while plastic
lets most through. Didn't see the high
times article but Wernard is a real trooper
and one only breeders in Holland who
seemed aware that without the uv content
in lighting that stocks would deteriorate
over time. Fortunately a lot of the current
American breeders use halides as at
least part of there lighting if not all I
personally use a mix. As far as son
t agroís and son nav t plantersare
concerned we have found them to be inferior
to the son t plus type lamps For
both yield, quality and quantity. Grow
mag Have come up with similar results over
several trials using a number of different
light loving plants. The best sodium
lamps in our own tests were made by
Osram nav t plus 400 w and 600 w
The besthalide we tried was HQIT clear
made by venture. We have yet to
try the halide type Agro sun as it is
not yet available in the UK but growers all
over the states are giving it good reviews.
By the way the 400 w HQIT halide will
run with no prob in a 400 w sodium fitting
but not HPIT types. I went out today for
the first time and what for ? To set
my garlic for next year. We use between 2
and 3 bulbs a week and eat it because
we like it!!! I hardly ever used to get
colds or flu then I got glandular fever
now if its around it comes to me, vit c, zinc,
homeopathy, acupuncture don't seem to
do a thing my doc says it damaged my
immune system.
ERICI think Nevill was experimenting
with combining ruderalis in fact I think
he was the first to do so. I could be
wrong but I think he dropped it because of
the problems ie not being able to regenerate?
Hope this helps Ot1
Time 13:10, 26 Oct 1998
From ERIC
David>> he is still alive and he has
a seedbank...not much to offer..but i bet what
he has is very good..but someone here
knows for sure....i would like to know how
he is coming along with that strain.....when
i find anything out i will post it here.....
Time 13:03, 26 Oct 1998
From david
What happened to nevil?
Is he alive? Does he still breed and
sell?
I was reading also about nevils outdoor
2 foot tall mexicans that automatically
flowered
Thanx for any info on this subject
Time 11:59, 26 Oct 1998
From justice
hey guys
i just read something in hightimes last
night... this guy was talking about
interrupting the light cycle for better
yields. what he does is after about (i think) 4
weeks of flowering he sends his girls
back into 48 hours of constant light, then
right back into the flowering 12/12
again. he reports that this delays harvest by
about a week but he gets 20-25% more
dry bud... i dunno?
have you guys tried or heard of this?
would this maybe lead to hermaphrodites?
Pacific Grower: man i grew some mites
that a friend from quadra island set me
up with and man it was deadly! big bombs
man they looked like oversized
zucchinis i loved them but they were
probably inbred for a many years in this one
area, not by some whacked out br$$d$r,
know what i'm sayin'?
Time 10:22, 26 Oct 1998
From ERIC
Mike>>>> thabnks for your reply...i guess
i will have to try both of them to see
whos is better...
Aeric77>>>.......man me and you gotta
talk...Im tring to follow these rulesd man...
but damn....im in the same position
i was when i cam on line...I have genetics....if
you have some of the things i want....hell
man...e-mail me and let me know....we
can work something out..( that goes
for any of you guys with the right
genetics....I want to swap or buy ...somethin...Now
i have been hinted to on more
occasion about becoming part of "the
circle"
....well shit..come on lets get going....im
wastin away .....So come on man..if you
know where i can find the best....lets
do it......
Pacfic grower.....i understand where
you are coming from....even the lowest
potence is still better than the commercial
here....I have search every catalog i
can find....but still havent found that
perfect guerilla plant yet....Neville said he
was working on the perfect one.....it
gets no taller than 2 feet...shaped like a
tree/srub...small wide leaves...VERY
hardy...and ready to harvest middle of
september....
this is the perfect...even though its
outside when the Helicopters or up...it is
ending its cycle to harvest...so most
of the larger fan leaves will have fallen off if
not they can be stipped...
He had the right idea...i dont know
why he hasnt followed through....maybe with
the growers we have on this board we
can all put our heads together and come
up with the correct crosses to make
the strain...
Aeric77...you know how to reach me..
Time 16:47, 25 Oct 1998
From Vic High
NORM!!!!!
anon 15:41 - got any books on the subject to recommend or to send my
way?
Any teachings? Any insight?
OT1 - hope your feeling better soon. Thanks for the info. I'll have
to remeber
that next time i get a boy that shoots blanks. In the past, I've always
deleted them
from the gene pool.
Bill Clinton - In traditional horticultural and farmer circles, I always
believed sand
to be just plain old sand. It is usually used to improve drainage in
peat and clay
based soils in outdoor gardens. It also helped break up the clay based
soil. I'm
not sure what greensand is, but I always thought it was plant based.
Kelp meal
seemed like a better source of micronutrients, so I've never played
with
greensand.
Cali - o:Mike - so you got me wondering. Are the DP and HF
cali-othe same genetics due to the close association? Or is the DP
version
from a DP line, and the HF version from the Positronics line? Just
trying to
clarify. Eric - let me know what you find out and any other sources
you come
across.
Aeric77 - LMAO!!
Pacific Grower - I've always heard that mitey mite is a ruderalis hybrid.
From a
breeder's and indoor grower's perspective, I agree with OT1 and say
to ditch it,
or at least, don't let it breed. However, to be fair, I know a couple
outdoor
growers who have been treated very well ($$) by a few certain mitey
mite
crosses. The bud is quite good and is definately potent. I don't know
the actual
name of the hybrids or the pedigree, but the names chemo and burmese
pop up
alot in outdoor circles.
Time 15:11, 25 Oct 1998
From 67ed
Olt1-You should've taken a flu vaccination. Ever since I started eating
raw garlic
8 years ago, I've only had two very mild colds(actually pleasant)-put
about 8-12
cloves in some tomato soup-it's miraculous! I've got a another skunk
plant that's
almost done, and I think it will be better(has more indica traits)
Now the power
plant I grew, and which finished dead ripe here Sept. 24 was considerably
better.
I remember reading in a High Times interview with Wernard several years
ago,
that He said plants grown under plastic were much more potent than
grown
under glass, but it seems to me the plastic would block out more uv
rays. If I
have the time, I'll make a better place for the light with in &
out fans and co2
enhancment. Also, I'll purchase a sun t agro bulb for it. I've got
Vic's blueberry
and Niagara seeds waiting. I've also rejuvenated the power plant female
slowly,
and will take clones this winter for next year's outdoor. I think I'll
need to cross bb
with Niagara to get it to finish in time here. This thai is something
else-got a seed
harvest 2 weeks ago, but it's put out new white hairs so that now I've
got a pure
sinsemilla with mostly white hairs for a second harvest. The seeded
harvest
wasn't bad smoke considering it only flowered for 7 weeks. Try the
garlic. Peace
& Prosperity, 67ed
Time 13:56, 25 Oct 1998
From oldtimer1
pie it is of the bottom so in case you didn't see it. My wife said you
would like this
Horticulture :-
You can take a whore to culture, but you cant make her think.
Time 13:32, 25 Oct 1998
From oldtimer1
Pie look further down the page after servicing two lots of ladies on
the third
regen my blueberry male No 7 went dry fish fert and light has been
its viagra and
its dusting nicely and Iím watching his technique. Did you catch the
bit about
Horticulture from my misses Lol. The seeds no prob whenever what do
you think
of the project like a proper archive. all the best Ot1
Time 10:46, 25 Oct 1998
From pie
oops, the post below was refering to Cali-O. puff puff puff.
OT1>>> the seeds are yours. working on getting the second batch so i
can send
them all to you in one fell swoop.
Time 10:42, 25 Oct 1998
From pie
I have smoked some of bud from these cuttings and I find the enjoyment
factor to
be quite high even though the sample i had had not been cleared prorperly!
A dry toke generates a fresh orange juice taste and the high is generally
an up
high that is longlasting and non-dibilitating.
Reminds me a bit of Columbian Gold Bud with an orange taste and a very
nice
smell. Hopefully, my next taste of this herb will be a better cleared
sample or
organic!
Time 10:35, 25 Oct 1998
From pie
Mike aka blueberryboy>>> is ot1's post really true ...
"Vic after a feed of fish fert and continuous light for 3 days blue
berry boy is
shedding like a good one and I've introduced him to some nice ladies."
I wondered where blueberry boy was off to. I hope he is doing his er
ah
'shedding' in private! 3 days of continuous light and fish ferts huh?
Time 10:10, 25 Oct 1998
From aeric77
Eric,
at this time there are no seeds available of the old strain Cali O,
just
cuttings and they are difficult to secure....(closely held)....however
there are
some seeds from a cubing project that may be come available soon, and
some
breeders are using the pure strain to create their own unique crosses
which also
may become available....as soon as you learn to ignore the gnats with
no
names.....hehehe.......
Time 07:53, 25 Oct 1998
From Mike
sorry i didnt mean to offend....i was refering to marc being the first
coffe shop
owner in canada and Wernard the firsf in holland. i was referring only
to the
coffee shops.Wernard is highly respected in grow circles.
Time 06:56, 25 Oct 1998
From pacific grow
bill clinton & ot1... thanks for the advice. are the mighty mites
at least a medium
potency strain?? they are very convenient... and the commercial around
here
pretty much sucks. hey bb are you on here man??
Time 03:54, 25 Oct 1998
From Mike
Eric>> I have smoked Cali O several times in A'dam>>>it is a decent
high but a
long-lasting foul taste in the back of your throat.
I have smoked cali o from the states and it is a potent high with a
nice sweet
taste.....my advice to you would be to find a reputable US grower and
get your
seeds from there.There are a couple who post on this board who may
be
able to help you out....dutch genetics are very good and very consistent
but in
this instance i would say the U.S. growers have a better product.
ime 03:49, 25 Oct 1998
From Mike
Eric>>>
dutch Passion is owned by Henk....Homegrown fantaseeds is owned by
Henks
ex- wife>>>>The Duch Passion shop is extremely difficult to find....even
with the
address.The homegrown fantaseeds shop and coffee shop are very
easy.....therefore the HF shops carry Dutch Passion strains and display
them
more prominently than their own.
When positronics went bust a couple of years ago Dutch Passion secured
the
rights....HF was born!In order to market both companies they had to
be
separated.
There is also a player called Martijn from CSBA who is normally to
be found in
the HF coffeeshop>>>Martijn was a key worker at positronics and is
a close
friend of Wernard....the original owner.Wernard was the first to open
a
coffee shop in Holland...he spent a few spells in prison for his beliefs.....the
Marc
Emery of Amsterdam????
Time 03:02, 25 Oct 1998
From oldtimer1
Hi 67ed Iím really sorry that Sk 1 are not up to par. The first thing
that comes to
mind is that the strain has deteriorated. This is kind of what I was
saying about
the way the Dutch are replicatingtheir seed stocks. The Uk has a well
documented history about the adaption of the hemp plant In the last
century and
before we had a need for hemp for sails and rope for our navy and merchant
shipping. At some point the Admiralty decided to move production of
hemp from
the east of England to the middle east [I think its called the Lebanon
now] to
save on production costs .The original stock were tall 4 m mainly non
branching long fibre types within 5 years the stock was useless for
sail making.
Had shortened to a 2 m shorter branched type and starting to produce
resin with
thc. They had to keep a seed stock farm going here and replace the
seed used
very other year to get the best quality fibre. Maybe grow an earlier
var next
year, Make sure the sodium bulb is a son t plus type.I have only just
started working on an outdoor type so I'm sorry cant help you at the
mo with a
variety.A friend is getting pretty good results 53 deg north with early
pearl.
Iíve tried some of his bud and its not bad with a nice balance between
sat
and indica. I think you said you were less than 40 deg north so EP
grown there
should be a killer. Why don't you use your closet and do a winter grow
and
select the best to mum up then make cuttings to grow out in the spring
after the
risk of frost is over. This would give them the full summer to express
their full
potential what do you think?
ERIC I think that DP and Homegrown belong to the same family or are
very close
and hold common stock lines.
pacific grow.Unless you live way north and really need a fast plantI
would avoid it like the plague. Ruderalis is the one cannabis var that
has this
gene and once in a plant line its there forever and does not necessarily
shows in
every generation its a night mare for breeders who develop the plant
for future
growers. Some havedestroyed several years worth of breeding when the
gene became dominant during cubing.
All the best Ot1.
Time 20:51, 24 Oct 1998
From Bill Clinton (madkayaker@hotmail.com)
Pacific Grower - I'm certain I've heard more than once that mightymite
does have
ruderalis in it. I don't remember if it's the result of a direct cross(F!)
or not
though.
OT1, Vic, Cook - I always thought adding sand to the soil meant "Green
Sand",
which actually adds nutrients to the soil. Am I missing something althogether?
I
tried it once with no noticeable improvement. It's expensive so I quit
using it. I
wonder if I was missing the point altogether.
Eric - glad to see ya back dude.E-mail me (click on link above)
Time 19:08, 24 Oct 1998
From 67ed
I'm sitting here smoking some of this Sk#1 I just grew, and I'm not
that
happy with the potency. Oh it's definately good weed, but it's far
from kick-ass.
There's something about my outdoor growing that causes them not to
reach
their full potential, but I don't know what it could be. It may be
that I'm at a low
altitude. It spent about a total of 35 hours indoors under an hps on
the cold
mornings, but that might be enough to ruin them considering my set-up.
I've got
a 400W with the ballast attached directly to the light fixture that
i got from the
Power & Light Co. nine years ago for $110 including bulb. i've
had the damn
thing hoisted up in my closet with nothing else except a big rotating
fan.
Hopefully, I'll learn enough here and other places to make next year's
outdoor
more of a success. Peace
Time 18:13, 24 Oct 1998
From pacific grow
vic, ot1 and eric.... your discussion has lead me to an interesting
dilemma.
I've got two mighty mite males that I've moved out of the garden. My
plan is to
selectively pollinate my ladies for seeds. the mighty mites are auto
flowering.... is
this because they have ruderalis in their genes??? would it be unwise
to cross
the mighty mite with silver pearl and northern lights??? marc e's description
of
he mighty mite is that they are a himalayan strain. the ruderalis question
bothers me though... does any one here have any ideas on this ??? this
is my
first shot at growing mighty mites... their small size and "set 'em
and forget 'em
until 100 days later" profile are perfect for my ultra stealth outdoor
guerilla
necessities. any input???
Time 13:35, 24 Oct 1998
From Norm
Just dropped in to say "Hi" to Vic High.
Time 13:28, 24 Oct 1998
From ERIC
Who knows which is better..
Im going to order CALIFORNIA ORANGE
Dutch passion.......$90
Home grown fantaseeds...$60
now which one has the best strain...the $30 difference doesnt bother
me....I want
the one that is the orangest and smells the most like orange....
WHICH IS BETTER???
Thanks for your help guys
Time 12:44, 24 Oct 1998
From oldtimer1
Silicon has to be in the form of silicateís to be used by plants. Silicateís
are the
result of a reaction between silicon various metals and oxygen are
non soluble
but can be absorbed by plants, The more metals and elements involved
in the
reaction the richer the silicates will be. Vic I don't think sands
would be much
good unless from an old sea bed in which case there may be a lot of
silicates
with the sand.
get a lot of samples to test from a local grow shop before they stock
them. A
couple of years ago I tried Pyro CLAY 3 tm from Canada is this what
you are
talking about?
Any how I tried it as recommended in half a growroom with a mix of
vars mixing it
in our organic soil mix before planting up and balancing up the rest
of the
growroom with the same mix of plants in our standard soil mix. We could
find no
difference in high, weight,resin production or growth pattern. So the
shop
doesn't stock it, But now on reflection our soil mix is very rich and
has 15 to 20%
Ketteringloam as part of the mix from the best pasture in England +
worm
compost and a high nutrient composted base fertiliser so there may
have been
an abundantsof silicates already in it and it would have had every
trace
element already in it. So I think it would be worth trying an experiment
with
someone using Hydro, maybe a nutrient film system with rockwool blocks
and
adding some to the top of half of the blocks and seeing what happens.
stix I think that vars like Nevil NL did well under low light conditions
Skunk no 1
was much looser I think because it had a lot more sat in it but crossed
with the
NL it made a killer combo that did well under my mercuries. I regrew
some Sk 1 a
few years ago with a sodium halide combo and the buds were way tighter
and
the yields were over double. To grow Thai and haze with low lightjust
didn't
work I used to grow them outside in pots artificially cutting the light
hours from
Aug and finishing them indoors from mid Sep on.It was a lot of work
but
hey never went hermy. If you tried doing it indoors right though they
always went
100% hermy. I think a lot of the problem with seeds from the dam is
that
they have inbred way to much looking for to much uniformity. Also my
pet theory
they use just sodiums. NL, Big Bud and all the great indoor American
strains
were bred indoors for generations. To develop them they used halides
which in
turn give off uv a,b,c. Potency occurring in natural strains of drug
cannabis is
highest where the natural uv intensity is the highest. I remember a
conversation
with Wernard where he said that when identical plants were grown under
glass
and plastic that the ones under the plastic were way stronger.
Vic after a feed of fish fert and continuous light for 3 days blue berry
boy is
shedding like a good one and I've introduced him to some nice ladies.
ERIC someone gave me some Swiss myst seeds and they have ruderalis
in.
What a painthey auto flower, they wont regenerate, ie clones wont grow.
Worst of all they didn't get me high personally I would forget it.
Years ago I used
to grow Californian orange they were pretty good about half the plants
smelt like
an orange being peeled the rest a bit like Afgani both had similar
highs and were
pretty strong.
Hope this helps Ot1.
Time 09:53, 24 Oct 1998
From Vic High
Thanks DarkStar and all.
Cookii - say, I've been following a few of the soil science courses
online, but
have been having trouble getting some real 'meat and potatoe info'.
So you
don't feel that the silicone in the sand would be locked up? I've always
considered sand to be an inert material that only helped in drainage
so have
never used it. Maybe adding a cup or two to each batch of soil would
be a good
idea? There has been much discussion about pyroclay as a source of
silicone,
btw.
Eric, I've never tried either but would recomend that you stay away
from the
ruderalis. My experience with ruderalis is that you get low potency
leafy buds. It's
only attractive attribute is it's autoflowering. And this can be a
problem for those
that want to keep clone mothers.
Time 09:05, 24 Oct 1998
From ERIC
hey.....have you guys had any of sensi
california indica.....how did it taste
and what about Rudelius from Sensi
how did it taste
Time 07:38, 24 Oct 1998
From back breaker
Hey cookii,
have you ever tried those agrodiamonds...that powder that retains
200 times its weight in water...i ran a test this summer on some potted
outdoors
plants....you can tell the stuff keeps the water.....
but im a little worried about root rot..they claim that it will not
cause it but i would
like to know if anyone has tried them on their crops yet
any comments???
Time 20:42, 23 Oct 1998
From cookii
hehehe... silica huh :)yeah i'm sure it's
important- sand is for certain helpful in yr mixture, sand is mostly
silica...
As far as i know, there are 93 nutrients required by all plants to achieve
their
genetic potential, in specific ratios per
plant.... That said, i've never come across the list, but it was an
italian
operation that made announcements
world-wide about this 93 nutrients, about 5 or 6 years ago they made
some
breakthroughs... i'll do some homework on this and post it at a later
stage..:)
When i've grown in sand, any seeded
plants i made had extremely good resin
content [for being fully seeded that is] and the actual seeds seemed
to have a
second, extra coating on them, and a very very tough membrane containing
the
business inside.. many of these needed help to break free of this...
Time 20:10, 23 Oct 1998
From aeric77
RE: Sensi's Durban......I grew it both indoors and outdoors this year
and altho
the yield was small it was very popular around here.....everyone who
got to try it
really liked it......and at both sites it was only allowed to flower
for 8 weeks......a
very diverse world we live in......
Time 10:24, 23 Oct 1998
From stix
Vic>>Yep, when I set up my indoor room 13 or so years ago, I used 20w
sq/ft
which was state of the art at that time. The thing is, I had some great
results with strains from both The Seed Bank and SSSC with these low
light
levels so long as I rotated the outer plants for more light as you
said. Id hate to
try to get by with that little light with todays plants tho.
Pie>>Good to see you bak, and wanna agree with your comment bout how
Vic
handles the board. Its really a nice place to stop by for a few minutes.
Cooki>>Welcome and looking forward to your input.
Time 10:23, 23 Oct 1998
From Mota
Vic,
Regarding the Durban, I grew two seeds, both were female.One was short,
indica growth characteristics and one was tall, sativa type.The short
one
had the best smell and taste, the tall one had the best look, purple/green
at
harvest.The high from both was the same.I cross bred both
Durbans with my White Widow male, only made about 20 seed on each plant.
The Durban needs time to mature, at least 9-10 weeks, being a sativa
it
really never stops flowering, just slows down.Hope this sheds some
light,
let me know if you have any other questions.I grew it both indoors
and out.
Time 09:53, 23 Oct 1998
From Vic High
DarkStar - yep I'm from there. Was born there, or so i was told. You
from those
parts?
Hey Mota - thanks for the description. So did yours look like a sativa?
I've been
in contact with others that have grown the sensi version and said it
was alright,
but not amongst the best, and definately not what they expected. No
personal
experience with it though, so maybe it was unfair of me to group it
together with
the durban version. I hope to eventually grow the Sensi version for
no other
reason than to compare with the african version and DP version. Make
any
seeds?
Cookii - I have a discussion going with friends about the importance
of silicone.
got any thought?
Time 08:54, 23 Oct 1998
From pie
vic >>> hope things are going well for you. You are doing a great job
at handling
this board diplomatically, btw.
cookii >>> good to see you. hope to learn some growing tricks from you
in the
near future!
Dark Star >>> you sure do have a talent for the music don't you. hell,
i wish i
could hear the words let alone remember them all ( i wear hearing aids
in both
ears ). As far as censorship, I think most of us hate to be censored.
But, as with
all things, there are boundaries that most people respect. I do not
think that Vic
has anything against you or anyone else for that matter. He is just
politely
reminding ALL of US to leave the flames and the chatting for another
room.
thanks
Time 08:33, 23 Oct 1998
From Mota
I grew Sensi's Durban this year and it has the anise flavor (dry toke)
and it is
very sweet/fruity smelling.You get a relaxed body high with a mild
mind
high.It is worthy grow for personal stash, but definety not for commerical
purposes, low yield.Many of my friends who are indica smokers liked
the
high of the Durban. They said they could still function, but felt high.
Time -2:45, 23 Oct 1998
From Vic High
Chunk - i grew Dutch Passion's version. It's not worth paying for.From
what I hear, the sensi isn't much better. That is if your looking for
a pure sativa
with an anise flavour. My plants looked like tall indicas.
I'm not saying that the plants were absolute crap, just that they were
not worth
the $11 a seed I paid. Paying $28.50 per blueberry seeds had more value.
They
were good enough and uniform enough that I've selected the non hermie
plants
to create backup seed before I dump the lot.
I think the wild bank in Africa would be the best source. With any luck,
I'll have
some coming in the mail any day. I saw some pics of traditional durban
leaves at
lyceum. Dutch Passion's were not close.
Time 20:46, 22 Oct 1998
From chunk
vic,
wich durban poison do you grow?
wich seed bank has the best durban?
thanx alot
Time 19:08, 22 Oct 1998
From Vic High
welcome cookii - what's the story behind your handle?
Best worm castings I've found in the lower BC area is:
Wonder Worm - Earth Worm Castings - Soil Improver
by: Wonder Worm Products Ltd. Mission, BC, V2V 4H9
In Victoria, they can be found at a few nurseries and are $12.99 at
Cannor
Nurseries, next to commonwealth Pool. These are pure worm castings
without
any filler such as bark or what have ya.
Worst source for worm castings I've found so far is that crap at Home
Depot that
sells for something like $6. Not even worth $1. There is so much filler
in it that
you can't even see any castings.
Time 14:54, 22 Oct 1998
From ERIC
cool....outdoors....coooool...glad to meet you man.....we have got to
talk ....hang
around ....
Time 13:56, 22 Oct 1998
From cookii
hi ! I'm cookii, i've been growing for 23
years so far [mostly outdoor, in gardens and guerilla style. I know
hydro systems
under lights too.]
Breeding has always been a prime concern of mine, and i've had quite
a bit of
success with it, as well as some
notable failures!!!
I'm expert in a great many aspects of ganja production, and i'd like
to begin
making my knowledge and skill available to others more easily....
So, ask me questions!! Make suggestions!!...
Peace, respect,
~cookii
Time 12:02, 22 Oct 1998
From ERIC
14.95 for a 25lb bag of castings....
thats the cheapest i have found.....
Time 10:53, 22 Oct 1998
From Vic High
Stix - thanks, remember the old days when a 1000w light was used in
a 10 by 8
bedroom and we just kept turning and moving the plants daily to even
out
growth? The concept would be laughed at today.
Eric - whether a poser or the real guy. please take it outside.
DarkStar - Wasn't trying to censor you. Just trying to keep conversation
on topic.
When I archive, I edit out a bunch of off topic stuff to save space.
One of the
nice things about HBC is that anyone can create a page to discuss a
different
topic. This is just one tiny corner of the net that I've carved out
for a specific
subject matter. I see no reason for people who want to discuss other
subject
matter to not simply create a new page and discuss it there. Your welcome
to
contribute here as much as anyone. Please just leave your problems
with others
outside.
Time 09:09, 22 Oct 1998
From stix
Vic>>Thanks for the response a few days ago on my question of the Dutch
genetics Vic. I find everything you say as being very logical with
what the
situation looks like, and I especially like your opinion of the higher
light used by
breeders today. In addition to the affects you pointed out in how it
affects the
end product by "masking" the inferior plants during breeding, I think
it shows up
in our grows which are running 40 watts sq/ft or less such as mine
because the
plants are not as acclimated to lower light levels as in the past.
I just had a real
wrestling match with some of Sensi's Nl5xHaze I couldnt get to finish
satisfactorly
and felt during the whole ordeal I needed much more light on them.
I have to
admit I like your ideas on the plants and your approach to breeding
them,
especially how your males are selected.
Time -3:18, 22 Oct 1998
From Vic High
DarkStar - what did I ever do to you? I thought I read a post from you
at
cannabis.com saying that you were going to quit being a destructive
kid and try
to contribute to the boards in a constructive manner?
I would assume that there is a reason behind your abuse? Enlighten us
would
you? If you have something against Eric, then please keep the rest
of us out of
it.
This isn't my board. It's just a space Iborrow from HBC to allow a group
of
us to talk about cannabis. I could create a private board with password
access,
but that would be against my beliefs. Anyone is welcome here. It would
just be
nice if the topic centered around MJ and not who the biggest idiot
is.
Peace
Time 13:29, 21 Oct 1998
From ERIC
JUSTICE>>>> hot mail has given me problems
as well....others too... im going to
cancel my account..im begining to get
a little worried...
YES i know...and i plan to say nothing
more......
about my questiopn on organics
i have looked into the worm castings...
they are not available here only by
mail
ok...you can take rabbits and peatmoss
and worms to make castings
first in a tub in a cool moist place
put rabbit shit in the tub...mix in
some peatmoss...and put alot of worms in it
then just cover with a tarp....make
sure they dont get too hot....you can see
when they have broken everything down
into castings.....
plus rabbit shit makes good organic
tea
and the rabbits will eat your stalks
and leaves...
RECYCLING
Time 13:03, 21 Oct 1998
From justice
hey i am agree'n with darkstar
eric, man that didn't sound too poignant
this will all end if you take vic's
advice... don't even bother with it dude
nuff'snuff
hey vic if you get my e-mail don't reply
cause my password ain't workin or
something. just leave me a post right
here, cause hotmail be fucking me
around...
Time 10:35, 21 Oct 1998
From ERIC
Instead of builing a good organic soil to start with.......
what about this......growing in buckets filled with half perlite...half vermiculite...
NOW.....what is the best organic tea
mixture for the best growth with taste in
mind....taste is most important...
do you guys have a recipe????????
Time 10:01, 20 Oct 1998
From Vic High
RA - follow the "get to the point" link
above, it will lead to an index of all the
original HBC message boards. This one
is used as a message board and not a
chat.
Bill- the purple stems, petioles, and
leaf veins (rare)mostly came from the
blueberry. Romulan's pistals turn a
pinky purple when the plant is in prime
condition, so with romberry you can
get plants with light purple stems and pink
pistals. It's really quite a sight.
Give them a big home and you'll get big
thick stalks. And with big thick stalks,
you'll get big fat buds.At least what
I've noticed is that in 2 gallon pots,
romberry was a moderate yielder, but
in 10 gallons, it's much fatter than romulan
at 8 weeks and so I figure it is kicking ass, haha.
Both romulan and blueberry buds have
that old blue indica look to them.
Romberry retained that. You may even
get some purplish blue hues if the buds
are healthy. I'm getting it in 10 gal
pots, but it was rare in the 2 gallons.
Time 09:56, 20 Oct 1998
From Baudelaire
Dognuts> ncga's G13xNLb is a cross of
G13xNorthern Lights and Mindbender
(from Aloha).The more genetically correct
name would be
G13NLxMindbender I suppose.
B420
Time 16:10, 19 Oct 1998
From dognuts
does anybody know what the NLb is in
ncga's G-13XNLb???
anyone with any experience growing hash
plant?
if so, please list a brief description
thanks all
Time 15:20, 19 Oct 1998
From Bill Clinton
ERIC - Don't leave the board dude. I
left Ron's because of all the flaming and I
missed your posts, many of which were
hilarious. Don't let the immature little kids
run you out. They're ain't worth a shit anyhow.
VIC - I have to Romberry that have beautiful purple stripes all up the stems & out
onto the branches. These are good looking
plants, so I hope one is a female.
Did you notice this in you garden at
all, and if so, was the trait carried by the
plants that had the Romulan or Blueberry
characteristics, or was there no
relation at all? Regardless, I hope
I get some nice coloring in the buds too.
These plants look so good that it's
almost going to hurt to have to kill them one
day, but I should have plenty of clones
by then. Thanx for a killer looking strain,
I'm hoping the final product tastes
as good as it looks.
Time 13:18, 19 Oct 1998
From Vic High (repost from Justin)
I saw your post at your HBC site re:ncga.I
have experience in the past
with MCW, NC3, & NLW as follows:
@ aprx 50watts/sq ft. under SonAgro 40%potting
soil 50% perlite 10%
vermaculite.Used peters 20/20/20 veg
and Schultz bloom in blooming.
Type....M/F Ratio....Quantity......Quality
MCW......50/50.......Very Good...Very
good buzz and taste
NC3......60/40..........OK..............Ok
buzz and taste had one that was exceptional
:)
NLW......0/100.....Very Good.....Good
buzz had one that was paranoia
inducing
MCW and NLW had good side branching and
internode spacing.NC3
stretched quite a bit.
No hermies in any of them.
Not gardening now.Had some problems and
killed two gardens in a row.
Lost some GOOD genetics, could have
puked. Paranoid so my site is a long
ways from home, making it hard to stay
on top of things. Hoping to start anew in
near future with Romberry & Niagra.Might
make good cross !?!
Hope this is helpful to you or just fun to hear.
"Justin"
Time 11:28, 19 Oct 1998
From oldtimer1
Hi Eric and friend we have all had flack
here, for a couple of months you could
hardly get a post on before the board
was messed so what! It meant that Vic
would paste and cut all the good stuff
to a back up page
:-http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/5796/bcg_chat.htm
I assume its still there. Any how so
some one wants to be abusive to you, does it
hurt you no. All of us here know its
crap and take no notice, if you go he wins, we
loose! So just do what we do ignore him as though he never said a thing then we
win and heís an even sadder looser than
before ok!
All the best Ot1.
Time 13:29, 18 Oct 1998
From Vic High (vic_high@hotmail.com)
BB - that's cool. So I moved them into
their 2 gal homes last night and was
surprised at what I saw. The three tall
ones had crystals on the leaves (never
seen that before on such a young seedling
still recieving 18 hours of light) and
there were two males and a female. The
runt is coming on strong now and may
catch up but still is not reveiling
gender. Looks like we were lucky here. They are
about 12" now, so clones aren't too far off, but I'll take it slow. I'll take clones from
tops when they reach 14-15" to create
the moms (and pops) and then let
seedlings bush out. When they are about
24-30" I'll take many clones from
bottoms and then flower them.
#2 - can you email me? I think I lost
your email addy. Sure is strange that both
batches of skunks were all female. None
of mine turned hermie yet except the
lone male. I did collect pollen on the
remote chance you would be interested.
RC, I hope you don't mind.
Time 10:42, 18 Oct 1998
From BB
hey Vic..........yes i know of the authenticity
of his stuff that ya got...and its
real....keep GOOD CARE OF IT...........and
i want a clone when ya can....The
NCGA stuff is doing not to bad........thanks
for asking..:) How you doing????
whats new????
Time 20:44, 17 Oct 1998
From # 2
high everyone...i'm still around and
doing great.just haven't been online
much lately...
no more icq. i disconnected from it months ago due to some perceived probs but
since it's been gone, no more probs.
what kind of questions about the peruvians?
i didn't get any males either but all
are still growing and the sativa is
looking especially nice...small but nice shape
and extreme sativa-shape leaves. it's
just now gone into flower (it's a tad behind
everything else) but the indicas are
appx. mid-way through. both will be indoors
by wednesday to finish up. btw, i did
use some of T2's haze pollen with the
sativa...i'll let y'all know how many
i come up with.
as soon as the indoor grow is set up,
i'll have more time to play with y'all
again...til then, email me.
hope everything turned out well from this past season with everyone...it did here!
talk back to y'all soon...good luck...m.g.
Time 14:12, 17 Oct 1998
From Vic High
Oldtimer, almost missed you down below.
I'm always looking for alternate
versions. That would be great. I have
a limited supply of romulan/P75 seeds on
the way. I figure they will be a prototype
of a possible future romulan/princess
hybrid that might be worth me and Soul
working together on. I would be happy to
share some with you to test out.
Last week I planted some of the following with germination rates noted.
G13/NL (thanks dankmaster?) 5/5
bubbi's blueberry (thanks bubbi) 12/13
Homegrown Fantaseed's ww/afghani hybrid
(wwsp) (thanks richard) 10/10
ncga's bluewidow (bw) (thanks sawtooth)
5/5
SBC's kush special (kushsp) (thanks
Dave) 9/10
SBC's superkush (skush) (thanks Dave)
5/5
There's not many of each, but there should
be enough to give a good indication
of each.
Time 12:22, 17 Oct 1998
From Vic High (vic_high@hotmail.com)
Eric - hope you are at least still lurking.
Please do us all a favour and don't go. I
agree with Mike and giving in to the
anon flamers just gives them
strength.Just don't respond to their
actions. Any credible readers here
won't give those flames a second thought
other than figure they are a waste of
space.
BB - welcome, how's the ncga strains
doing for you? I finally germinated those
chemo seeds from buddy. All 4 germinated
but 1 is a runt. Because of the low
numbers I won't delete that runt just
yet. Any thoughts (here or in private) on
their authenticity? Buddy had a good
talk but I've been asking around and have
been having trouble colaberating his
story. With the secrecy of this field that
means little though.
Aeric - I'm with you on staying away from the obviously MJ orientated grow stores
where the operators want you to talk
pot. The fact that they try to trigger
paranoia by hinting that the higher
profile PNW store is run by cops bothers me
as well. Go into the PNW and you often
see middle aged to elderly picking up
supplies for their exotics (orchids
- bananas) and paying with their credit and
bank cards. Go into the hippy store
and you usually only see males (16-30) with
either long hair or gotees (sp?) paying
with bundles of cash. Which store do you
think would be under survailence? Mind
you this is just the Victoria scene where
we probably have more hydro stores per
capita than anywhere, haha. And more
legit hobby growers?
Time -1:56, 17 Oct 1998
From aeric77
hello all......
Vic, them babies are still crawling,
they''ll come around soon......a
hippie at a grow store that wants to
talk about weed......don't go back
there....your method of taking the time
to cube to get the best of a strain sure
seems sound as do your thoughts on other
breeders rush for the money without
concern for future quality......but
then, that's what makes you..you...
Eric,
best bet is to ignore the gnat...
Luck 2 U.......
Time 10:32, 16 Oct 1998
From ERIC
yes iv read it .....but i still read
it and all the other sites Vicand NCGA
pointed out...thanks for the info.......its
been kinda helpful.....
but i know me....i can read that shit
all say long and not learn anything....
where as if someone showed me i could
learn it..im sure4 most people are like
that though
Time 04:49, 16 Oct 1998
From oldtimer1
Hi Vic just started pollinating the Blueberries
if you want an alternate selection
they will be 3 to 4 weeks let me know
ok? Its nice to see you around.
Eric we all get flack from time to time
when posting on open sites cos thats what
they are open! So don't worry about
someone who gets enjoyment if you get
wound up! Let them stew in there own
testosterone not yours.
Have you read R C Clarksís book marijuana
botany its old but still sound.
All the best Ot1.
Time 00:56, 16 Oct 1998
From Vic High
oldtimer1 - wow are you ever a fountain
of info that just keeps spilling over.
Thanks. I've got my eyes open for those
pots. My experience has been that we
find these things in the simplest of
places.
aeric77 - if your still surfing this page, have your youngsters learned to walk yet?
Hope so :)
Stix - you comparing the three breeders
is an excellent idea. I can't wait to hear
your results. You see, naturally I'm
an expert at growing romberry, so it will do
the best in my garden. Mr Grimm will
honestly find cinderella the best in his for
the same reason, and ditto for ncga.
Getting feedback from third parties such as
yourself would be very helpful.
To answer your question about why old
genetics are outperforming new, here
goes. IMO, I believe it is because of
the excessive inbreeding and the selection
criteria used by the breeders. IMO the
quick and dirty (but effective) cubing the
clone technique has been over used because
of the competitive high demand to
produce new strains. For example, marc
emery and myself are trying to create a
pure strain of romulan. Marc has done
in a year which I expect to take me about
2 -3 years.
The shortcuts are fine when you consider
the one clone you are trying to
stabilize into a strain. But when you
take that strain and create hybrids with
another cubed clone and then cube a
particular offspring, you are compounding
the negative effects of the inbreeding.
After a decade of so, this catches up to
any genepool.
Another selection criteria that bothers
me is the steady use of higher and higher
lumen intensity.What's happening is
that breeders are growing at higher
lumens so they don't really notice which
plants are more vigorous and therefore
are not always selecting for the plants
with the most vigour. Instead they are
selecting for a particular flavour,
sugar coating, or just high potency.
To create a sound genetic base for any strain I strongly believe that you need to
work with large populations. This is
one reason that romulan is going to take so
long to stabilize for me. Another step
that slows me down is that I analyze the
offspring of each male before I include
that male into the breeding program. I
hope this helps answer you question
somewhat. It's somewhat of a complex
issue and hard to explain clearly for
me.
jeremy - sorry to hear about the dead
momma. It sure is a good thing you found
out in time to salvage so many clones.
Good luck. I also like to grow in large
conatiners, but it is good to slowly
work up to the larger containers in stages. Me,
I go from seedling plug to 2 gallon to
10 gallon. Sometimes I use a couple more
intermediate stages to save space and
have found that the larger a plant is
when going into the large 10 gallon
conatiners, the better and quicker it settles
in.
Time 00:26, 16 Oct 1998
From Vic High
hey guys, hows it going?
Crane welcome back.
#2 - where you been bud? Been ICQing
you but don't seem to be getting
through. I've got a couple questions
about your peruvian genetics. I can't
remember what you said you ended up
with. Did any up your skunks go male?
Eric - just smoke some of that hershy
bar and never mind the flamer. You are
just as welcome here as anyone else.
For some, the cannabis pages have been
just too peaceful lately. As for a secret
page, others share your thoughts on this,
but I was hoping to keep a public page
accessable from the BCGA webpage.
I'm actually quite happy with the way
things have been going here with the
exception of my scarcity of posts :)Maybe
you might want to keep private
discussions to email? Anyway, that chocolate
thai sounds like a fun project. Have
you followed any of the genetics links
at the beginning of the Breeding page at
cannabis.com? NCGA and I posted a few
URLs there that should help you get
your feet wet. After that, our answers
to your genetic questions would have more
meaning. Good Luck.
westcoast - wondering about Pacific North
West Hydroponics ( PNW) are ya?
Well in Vancouver, I didn't care for
the one on Hastings street. I bought an HPS
kit and they gave it to me in peices
(seemed pretty shitty to me). The one in
Surrey was quite helpfull and I noticed
it was a popular place. I've never been in
the Langley store. In Victoria, all
the hydro stores were low key and looked as
though they were run on a fixed budget.
Then in came PNW with a very high
profile and looked as if they had deep
pockets backing them. They also offer
better than normal selection but remain
fairly quiet. Well, the word is from the
other hydro stores is that they feel
that the law is involved in it's operation. I'm
not so sure about this. The store that
freaks me out is the one where the hippy
running the place talks about MJ with
you any chance he gets.
In Vancouver, three good places are Jon's
plant factory (hastings), WTI
(41st/knight), and wwf (langley). I've
had good vibes and experiences at all
three.