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Vic High
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Time 20:48, 12 Jan 1999
From Naughty
Hey Budm....thanks for the link....have
they updated there site since 97....grow big
Time 20:39, 12 Jan 1999
From justice
hallo
doctor evil- man if you ever figure
out that light mover, post some info on it 'cause
i know i would definitely try it out.
i was always thinking about one but i'm too
damned lazy to figure it out. what i
did think was using a bike chain rigged up to a
motor like the one you would find spinnin
a disco ball, mounted on a linear OR
circular track. either way it seems
my ass is heavier than my heart for this one...
Time 17:27, 12 Jan 1999
From Orchid man
VIC , always interesting here :) You
might want to consider the new O.M. thread in
problem board weedbase for an addition
to the salt fert and soil story.After
one month of reading here, bulbs and
ballast won't have no secrets anymore...
Time 14:51, 12 Jan 1999
From Al Phadog
Dr. Evil,
Ha Ha!!Good thought.I too have speculated
on same thing.I
bet they saw some interesting things.Reminds
me of an old song by Jim
somebody where he talks about getting
high on a farm and "watchin' all the little
animals runnin' around".I believe it
is hardwired into humankind too get high
in one form or another.Hope you get
things squared away with your
computer.
Al
Time 12:34, 12 Jan 1999
From Budm
Hi All,
Kenkeman, The PR is in the Casa, Many
thanks. Please write when you return.
Naughty did you get my email?
Peace
Time 05:17, 12 Jan 1999
From Dr. Evil
Hi
All, have to keep things short. I'm having technical difficulties (power
supply on my computer died, so I'm on
a
borrowed computer). It'll be friday
before things are fixed and I get back here
again.
Kenkeman: The PR arrived today, was the
bright spot in an otherwise lousy day.
Thanks a lot. I owe you big!!
Budm: Everything's fine for the most part, you have mail.
OT1: thanks for the bulb/ballast info.
If I understand correctly on the bulbs, a hqit
on a sodium ballast is the optimum mh
type bulb. I looked at venture's website,
which did'nt cover horticultural bulbs,
and they mentioned a 44k lumen bulb called
the pulse star (with an angstrom sign).
Is this the one you are referring to? Do
you havea part number handy? I just
want to make sure to get the right one. On
capacitors. I was not aware of the variety
of different ballast designs within each
of the wattages, making it impossible
to make a blanket statement on cap. size.
Now I understand. Lacking the ocilloscope
mentioned, would a light meter reading
be a valid test when trying different
caps.?
OT2: One place you might check for the
transformer is:
http://www.allcorp.com
They have an online catalog with a listing
for a trans. that looked like it would work
for about $12 if I remember correctly.
They have all kinds of cool stuff. I'm working
on a design for an easy to build linear
light mover with surplus parts from there. It
looks like it can be built for about
$35. Uses a low rpm motor to turn a piece of
threaded rod which the light tracks
on. Should be reliable. Just have to work out
some hardware issues to keep it cheap.
Aunt Nellie: The refrigeration tip seems
to have cut about 3 days off my average
rooting time on shiskeberry. They usually
take me about 10 days in my
aerocloner (will have to upgrade pumps
and sprayers some time, I usually get
close to 100% success, just slower than
some others). I'll be using that trick
again.
Lady J: Now that I understand what you
were saying, I have to agree
withyou. You know, if you turn things
around, with the assumption that
non-drug types evolved from drug types,
it could explain early man's interest in
the plant. I could imagine a scenario
where a group of hunters built a fire to cook
the days kill one autumn, and the nearest
available fuel were dead cannabis.
Upon inhaling smoke from the fire, and
deciding it was pretty cool, they brought
some to their next site, inadvertantly
scattering seed all the way, and so on.
Primitive cultures were probably not
that much different from modern ones in
placing a high value on their intoxicants,
and when you are traveling on foot for
long distances, you only carry what
has the most value to you.
Bill Clinton: Sorry to hear about the pest problem. Sounds like republicans :)
All: So far, the shiske x big plum seedlings
seem to look more like shiske than the
bp. Odd looking leaves, some look almost
like strawberry leaves. Never saw that
before. Oval and serrated.
Well, I'll try to stop by a couple of
times over the next couple of days, if I can get
more use of this computer.
Stay safe
Dr. Evil
Time 00:30, 12 Jan 1999
From Budm
Hi all.
Naughty I found a description of Silver
haze from Sensi, that you were looking
for,its in the 1996 Cat at www.lycaeum.org/~sky/data/sensi.html
Peace
Time 00:28, 12 Jan 1999
From oldtimer1
The spec now :-
Haze---Indoor--Strong, compact plant,
mellow.--10 weeks Five seeds. fl. 27.00
I have a copy of the firstpositronics
seeds list This is the spec for The
Original Haze. :-
ACC-92
IMPORTED / DEVELOPED / F-1 HYBRED /
STABILISED HYBRED
SATIVA / INDICA : -- PURE
APPERANCE : MANY SLIM FLOWERS, CAN BE
LIME GREEN, DARK GREEN,
------------------- SILVER-BLUE, OR
PURPLE HAZE.
SMELL / TASTE : INCREDIBLE STICKY SWEET,
ALMOST SWEET AND SOUR
-------------------------SMELL
TYPE HIGH / STRENGTH : VERY POTENT, CLEAR UP, ENERGETIC HIGH.
HEIGHT : 2 - 3 M
YIELD : MED - HIGH
HARVEST DATE ( NETHERLANDS NATURAL PHOTOPERIOD ) : END DEC
12 HR DAY EXPOSURE HARVEST (NUM. OF WEEKS ) : 12 - 16
LIGHTS INDOOR / KASS / KASS ( WITH DRKNG
) / OUTDOOR : INITIATE
FLOWERING IN SUMMER W / 13 HRS DARKENING.
FINISH IN SEPT
FOR BEST YIELD AND QUALITY.
OTHER : INBRED 20 YEARS, APPROX 5 - 10%OF
PLANTS ARE SPECIAL,
THE REST JUST SO - SO 75% OF PLANTS
ARE FEMALE.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is close to the stock I had except
that some could go as much as 18 wks +
unless the lighting was kept on 11 hrs
during flowering and I reckon that only
4 to 5% were very special. But as you can see the spec seems to have
changed a lot.
Hope this helps Ot1.
Time -1:59, 12 Jan 1999
From Munty (munty@indiasite.com)
I prefer Autumn.....the bountiful harvest!
;-)
Time -2:09, 12 Jan 1999
From justice
hello peoples of the green thumb
does anybody know of a couple of strains
called congo or godzilla? they're both
supposed to be PRETTY DAMN FAT so i
fgure the first one is kong, but as for the
other...
and by the way just to clarify no huge
yielding geneticly indoorized mommas would
do too well outdoors? could crossing
these with a good outdoor strain (just once)
help much?
summer is my favorite time of year
Time 20:38, 11 Jan 1999
From Naughty
Hey Budm.....i hope all is going well..no
need to thank me any further...you have
shown your gratitude just buy keeping
me posted....good growin to ya.....
Time 20:34, 11 Jan 1999
From Naughty
Hi all...i was wondering if anyone had
any opinion on a GREAT outdoor strain for
southern ontario....good yeild,taste,
quality of high, ease of growth......that time if
year is creaping around.......gotto
think about some clones soon.....thanx
Time 18:13, 11 Jan 1999
From Budm
Hi All, OT1, Ive read that you think
that HGFs Haze,is not like Wernards anymore.
Ive been considering ordering some of
Posi's 1999 stock from CSB of Adam, they
are the suposed "Keepers of Wernards
stock Parents, untill he returns to the
business, what do you know about this?
if anything. Heres were I read it
http://www.xs4all.nl/~hempy
Kenke If your lurking, Nada Yet on the PR.
Dr E, Let me know how things are doing.
Peace
Time 16:13, 11 Jan 1999
From Mota
Aunt Nellie,
Thanks for the link.I just started using
grow coir in my soil mix.
PAZ
Time 15:30, 11 Jan 1999
From Al Phadog
Eric,
Point well taken, of course I expect
variations in a hybrid strain.However, I
didn't expect 2 of 5 indica type high
and definate indica look from something
advertised as 4 of 5 soaring sativa
high and a mostly sativa plant.I just felt I
should post MY results.As I stated,
the Doc offered something that I turned
down and I feel he is indeed a good
man.Others may have entirely different
results as may I next time.But, I was
rather disappointed after all hyped up
posts I read.Should know better that
to believe most things at can.com.
Always nice to see your thoughts posted.
Al
Time 10:20, 11 Jan 1999
From Vic High (bcga@mailcity.com)
Mirage - how was your trip? Heard you
made it to a pretty good party with JH and
WH and such. So what's up? New email
is above. Old one still works as well.
Time 09:28, 11 Jan 1999
From ERIc
Niagra is a cross of an indica and a
satavia. In the description (i think not sure
though) of the plants it gives the hieght
as 6-12 feet. That alone shows that there
is variations between each plant. I
think that the Doc is more into
introducing "untouched" genetics with
the introduction of his new strains and the
fact that the niagra isnt "uniformy"...not
that uniformity is what im looking for..in
fact the less alike they are the better
for the guirella gardner. But just from what i
have learned on thiese boards, you do
10 and keep the best. I have 50 Niagra
and 18 Niagra early, and am sending
for malwaia. I havent tried any of them...next
spring will tell. I hope that it is
everything the doc said it isand I feel that he
has grown them for years and knows them..but
now..he is mailing those same
seeds world wide to many many different
growers and enviroments..so i guess
that in itself will be a test of the
quality..and i feel that the final tally will be in by
next august. With more people doing
them outdoors next year. Im so out of my
league discussing genetics because to
tell ya the truth. The best i have dont even
really have names..two are labeled "seeds
from jeff in lousiana" and strain from
the girl at the festival". Im learning
so much from all of you guys though. So keep
the info flowing ya"ll.
Time 09:08, 11 Jan 1999
(Bill Clinton)
Haven't been here for awhile so I just
wanted to say "Hi" to everyone. Got 3 out of
4 female on my Romberry which went into
flower 12 days ago. I had a major pest
problem that damn near ruined everything
so I decided to flower my mums. I did
take clones a few days ago so I don't
have to start entirely from seed.
Take care all!
Time 09:02, 11 Jan 1999
From aeric77
you too......Mirage......
Time 09:00, 11 Jan 1999
From aeric77
Vic.......check your new mail......
Time 05:01, 11 Jan 1999
From Al Phadog
I'll make a statement I've seen somewhere
before, seedbanks are a crap shoot at
best.That's why paying some of the prices
asked is no guarentee that you
will get 10 dyno plants.I see posts
all of the time on variation within many of
the high priced strains.
Makes it difficult to shell out big
bucks with so much uncertainty.Of course
one could say well you'll never find
that holy grail, so to speak, if you don't take a
chance.But, I'm not interested in something
that would be so powerful that I
couldn't function at all.Maybe when
I was young and tripping on other
things, but now too many other things
in life.Just something that feels good
to me.An up for daytime and functioning
and a down for nighttime and
those old aches and pains.Unfortunately
the aches and pains become
more so with each passing year.I should
have both of those ends and make
my own seeds.Hope to bred something
decent to carry me
through.Got maybe another 20years on
this old earth, the higher power
willing.Much beyond that and I won't
be functioning well enough so it won't
matter.Sorry, got too deep there.
Best to all good people here.
Al
Time 03:57, 11 Jan 1999
From MIRAGE (mirage@lycosmail.com)
Aeric , can you email me about all that's
been going on ? Got back from California
this morning and need to catch up with
everyone.
Vic , you still around ? Need to chat
..
Time 17:27, 10 Jan 1999
From aeric77
Lady J,
you have mail......
Vic you should have mail too....
Do you guys happen to have Marko's, repo's, or Occam's email
addys??????
Time 14:55, 10 Jan 1999
From Lady J (ladyj@postmaster.co.uk)
Almost forgot, Aeric please email me.
Thanks
Time 14:49, 10 Jan 1999
From Lady J
Hi all,
Vic>>email me.
Ot1>>You have mail.
Last night transplanted Chemo, Duncan, UBC1, Cali-O, Grapefruit.
I'll wait a week or two before putting
the Champagne in new dirt. The photo from
Cannabis Canada shows a beautiful example
of it.
Two G13's well rooted and beginning to grow.
Peace
Time 12:35, 10 Jan 1999
From Vic High
oops 11:55 was from me
Oltimer 2 - you can buy the parts within
most communities. Neon sign
ballast/transformer can be purchased
through most sign shops. May need to
order in smaller communities. Rest of
the materials can be found at any hardware
store. I can build one as powerful as
the $800 ones for under $100, that is what I
was trying to say.
OT1 - please keep that electrical coming.
Takes me a couple reads to
understand, but I'm soaking it up. Those
that don't want to open the dictionaries
can just skip over them, haha. Just
kiddin ya mg and alpha :)
Al Phadog - I think the same way about
the seed market. I figure it is all a matter
of perspective as to the quality of
seed bank seeds. Because of my location I'm
exposed to some excellent weed and clones
that most of teh seedbank seed can't
measure up to. I've mentioned this in
the past but I figure it is partially due to the
selection processes that the mother
clones go through as time goes by. I've
brought this up in the past, but growers
keep getting and trying new clones. The
best is kept and inferior ones dropped.
Therefore as time goes by, that keeper
clone has become the best of the best
of the best. Well the seeds you grow have
not had the benefit of all that selection
and are going to have some variation in
potency. It would be pretty lucky if
one of the 10 seedlings was able to stack up
against that favourite keeper clone.
For some reason, alot of the seedbank critics
expect the seedlings to behave like
clones with respect to uniformity. It should be
clear that all the plants are related
and share the same genetics, but they also
need to have some variation. Just my
thought anyway.
Time 11:55, 10 Jan 1999
mg, well said, haha. You wouldn't believe
the number of emails from people
wanting me to say mine are the best,
haha. I just figure they are something a little
different. Speaking of something different,
I finally got aeric's cali-o in the flower
room and can't wait to see how this
turns out.
Budm, I'm no expert that can tell you
exactly what to do and then promise you'll
get great results. I can only relay
what I've tried and gotten away with. With
reusing soil in 10 gallon pots, I've
gone so far as to pull out a harvested plant and
then plant a new clone into the hole
without remixing. Then during this second
veg stage, I water every now and then
with fish ferts. Bone meal takes over ayear
to break down so no need for anything
other than water for the second flower
cycle. I've done this a couple of times
to try and figure out what nutes are being
used up. Yields didn't drop so I figure
the soil had all it needed. Personally I
wouldn't suggest this unless you like
screwing around also in trying to learn more
about the plants. Every now and then
I get bit in the ass and something screws up
big time :)
Time 09:31, 10 Jan 1999
From Old Timer (2)
Vic - over on the 'other' board you mentioned
that you had a ozone generator
available for $100.00 or so. Is this
a product one could order from a retail store as
such?
Just curious.
As usual.
Time 06:45, 10 Jan 1999
From oldtimer1
Hi Al its unlikly that you will be flamed
here all inputs of info are welcome that
advance the craft. Ot1
Time 06:11, 10 Jan 1999
From Al Phadog
Reread my post and need to clarify something
so I don't get fried.Doesn't
seem to go on here, but just in case.My
friend is not a computer oriented
person, so I helped him set up
anon email accountant through my computer
access.He sent email and is
now convinced they will come and get
him.
Also, the reason we both decided to not
take the Doc up on his more than generous
offer is this - he sells a product and
just like any other product
you read about it and normally ask questions.Since
this product is illegal
kind of hard to do that. So you check
boards and read what people
say.You don't know whether what is being
said is true or not so unless all
bad, you try.Like any other product,
if you don't like it, you don't buy it
again and you inform other people so
they can make up there minds.We
might have isolated experiences, who
knows.
We just want the community (is it really?)
to know our experience and that the Doc
himself is as advertise IMO.
Thanks,
Al
Time 05:56, 10 Jan 1999
From Al Phadog
Eric -
About 3 months ago.By the way, a friend
had similar problem with Niagra.
He emailed the Doc and the Doc was very
nice.Doc wanted to replace.But my friend
and I both are old farts with
old ideas and weren't trying to get
anything free.My friend never posts and
normally I don't either, but we felt
we should inform people without flaming and I
have computer access.
m. g. -
Glad to see I'm not the only one who's
not an expert in electricity, biogenetics,
history, or whatever.Just a little guy
trying to do this for his own personal
pleasure.I think I remember you from
Hempbc chat under another handle.
I too, enjoyed the NCGA strains -esp MCW (still have a few beans put away
:)).All were easy as
could be to grow.When you're not a pro
that as appealing if not more so than
the all of the other points. High of course is
important, but if you can't get it to
grow what good is it to you?
Thanks for your time.
Al
Time 01:10, 10 Jan 1999
From oldtimer1
Hi m.g. Iíll shut up about lights, I
will be starting some romberry next month in a
new improved grow place 62.5 w per sq
ft i would prefer the desert Ill look it up on
the map and be envious. Its good to
know that it can take a lot of light.
All the best Ot1.
Time -1:07, 10 Jan 1999
From m.g.
Al pha, finally one who's talking my
language! i agree with ya, it can get to be
pretty hi-tek-talk here. especially
concerning a plant so easy to grow (hey, try
orchids for a realchallenge!)
but anyway...i grew out vic's romberry
and blueberry outdoors in the mohave
desert last summer. both did just as
good as any other strain here, including
imgc's, ncga's, and the "other usual
suspects"(RC's experimental peruvians
were stolen, but that's another story).
the rom is still a favorite toke! luckily a
friend kept a few of the clones going
so next summer's crop will also have a fair
share of the romberry. i guess what
i'm getting at is, i can't see anything different
or special about growing them verses
anything else you have grown well. they are
both very hardy and handled the extreme
stress of the desert w/o any probs. i
prefer the rom over the BB only because
of the better yield i got with them and
heavier buzz...but the blueberry still
has that awesome flavor and is no lightweight
either. good luck with yours.
Time 18:31, 9 Jan 1999
From Budm
Hi All
Vic, In recycleing this soil could I just make sure I add pearlite and
wormcastings & chop up the roots
real good, considering its only supported a few
males to 6-8 weeks? Guess im just looking
for the easy way out, if possiable.
Naughty, The four AKs are looking great
starting there secomd set of leaves,
even the one I accidently damaged.
Does anyone know anything about the realibity
"CSB" they are the suposed
keeper of 'Wernards Posi Genetics untill
he gets back in business, Im considering
a Posi Haze and a Posi Haze19xSkunk1
cross, they are real inexpensive about
14usd for 5.
Well my Roms just keep looking better
and better:-) at about35days 12/12
the top colas are 7-8inches tall and
2-2.5inches wide, they are under 400hps in
(BCGA)super soil mix.Would they be much
bigger with a 1000hps?
Does anyone have any pointers on "KaliMist"?
Ive read they are for "advanced
gardners" Im gonna try the anyhow. Im
germing some next week.
Everyone have a good weekend.
Peace
Time 17:03, 9 Jan 1999
From oldtimer1
Hi there frenchie, Sorry I'm just a little
tired its been a long day and its after 1 am
here. If you have a sodium ballast with
an internal igniter that runs horizontal 400
w son t plus sodium lamps. A 400 w HQIT
can be used in place of the sodium
without changing any thing else. I think
Vic said that he is trying one and I reckon
he will like it a lot. I think he said
he was using one from Osram, my personal
favourite is ventures clear HQIT but
the Osram is pretty good. Osram also make a
replacement for the 1 k horizontal sodium
lamp It is a
1 k HRIT.
Hope this helps Iím off to bed. Ot1
Time 16:20, 9 Jan 1999
From frenchie
Oldtimer 1 : It is the life of a teacher
to repeat :) What about those
horizontal MH superare they HQIT or
HPIT. Does it worth while to get a
newer ballast or just change the capacitor
on old ones? A newbie on
ballast :)
Time 16:12, 9 Jan 1999
From eric
ALPHADOG.....
when did you order your niagra from HS
Time 16:07, 9 Jan 1999
From oldtimer1
inthedark If you have a modern sodium
ballast the simplest thing to do is buy a
HQIT Metal halide lamp it is a horizontal
type and directly replaceable with with a
son t plus sodium. They give a much
better light than internal igniter types they
should be replaced once a year if used
12 hrs a day at this point the lumen
output reaches 80% of the initial output.
Quite honestly internal igniter types of
MH lamps are very inefficient and are
usually vertical types which is even worse. A
400 w HQIT lamp in a good horizontal
reflector will get more light on your plants
than a vertical 1 k internal igniter
HPIT and with a more even spread. As far as
igniters are concerned seeing as you
aren't switching it out of circuit while it is
firing the switch current rating need
only be adequate for the lamp current. The
contact open gap needs to be big enough
not to carry an arc. How easy it is to do
depends on the ballast and igniter there
are 4 types. If it is a simple make and
break type in line with the bulb you
simply put a shorting switch across the igniter.
If it is a 3 or 4 wire solid state one
it is a much more difficult job.Personally I
wouldn't consider using such an old
design with an internal igniter its just a waste
of electricity! Buy a decent lamp it
may cost more but you get it back in lumens
and in turn a lot more bud.
Sorry if I seem to be rambling on but
Iíve written about HQIT lamps several times
in the last year and feel a bit like
a puppy chasing his tail.
All the best Ot1.
Time 15:55, 9 Jan 1999
From Al Phadog
Lurking here for quite a while.Sometimes
posts are a little too technical for
person like me, but mostly
informative.I would like to post results
of a grow.Thought here would
be better than other sites.I'm trying
to inform not flame.Niagra from
HS.
promix/perlite/worm castings.Start &
veg under floros. Flower under 430W
HPS.
One female out of 6.Looked definately
indica, but were supposed to be mostly
sativa.Trashed males.Started
flower
at 14" 6 weeks preflowered and was very
easy to distinguish.Fans leaves were
wide fingered and HUGE.Topped once.Very
few leaves.Buds
production was
not much to speak of (thought should
be
great with 1 plant under 430W).Bud leaves
had purple cast to
them.High
was average.Overall opinion - not as
advertised in type, production, or
high.
As far as production/high could have
been me, but type was not as advertised.
Have seen other posts stating same thing.
Vic, working on BB and RB now and sent
you email with questions.
Thanks for the place to post and everyones time.
Al
Time 15:52, 9 Jan 1999
From Frenchie
Budm, a overdose of micro element is
lethal or very hard to fix, better use less
than too much. Like Vic said they are
easily found in organic ferts .
Time 15:25, 9 Jan 1999
From Spliffie
67ed, ya most of the colombos had lots
of mottle'ing, reds too, most sativas from
down there were like that, also small
compaired to indica's,you know how mother
nature is, birds have a tough time see'm
huh, later,
Peace,Nevi
Time 14:44, 9 Jan 1999
From Vic High
Budm - those trace elements can be found
at anyplace that sells garden supplies
up here, I imagine the same down there.
Maybe just ask a sales clerk for help, if
they don't know what your talking about,
they shouldn't be working there, haha.
With the castings or manure those trace
elements aren't mandatory but more of a
preventative measure. Seaweed ferts
will do the same thing if your still stuck.
Time 13:01, 9 Jan 1999
From Dr. Evil
Budm: You have mail, all on board ok.
Will write in more detail once everything is
settled in.
Dr. Evil
Time 12:46, 9 Jan 1999
From 67ed
PR seeds just arrived; thanks mucho Kenkeman!
I'll e-mail you soon. Anybody
else?Small and mottled, look similar
to the 'Bo seeds of old. Were they
mottled? I can't remember!----Peace
Time 11:30, 9 Jan 1999
From Budm
Hi all, Vic I dont drive due to a med
condition, so when the ole-lady drives me to
garden shops, I like to find stuff in
a hurry, at as few places as possiable. Heres
what id like to know, I did the BCGA
soil recipe my first grow,now that ive culled
out my males, and Ive got some new seedlings
started Im recycling my soil, I cant
find "Fritted Trace Minerales" are they
more comonally known as something else?
Or a brand nome or something? I did
fine without them originnaly, but after one
set of plants have used the soil, I
think it sounds like a good thing to add.
DocEvil. So Yes or No and in what cond.
E-mail me
Peace
Time 05:39, 9 Jan 1999
From Strider
INthedark: Let me redeem myself here.
a circut breaker while electricly, would
handle the voltage/current, may not,
take the heat in a ballast enviroment. its
poss it may trip from the heat. however
a good, 120v 240v sw with a 20 amp
rating ( NOT A LIGHTING SWITCH) used
for ac or heating aplication would work
ok. there are single pole double trow
( one lever breaks 2 contacts) or single
throw single pole switches readily avalible
at app partshouses. while the
voltage produced, the 2-5kv is high
the amp draw is nominal. much like the coil in
an auto. which produces around 10,000
v it has little amperage. any of these
heat/air appliance type switches will
work ok. another place to find them is as "vic"
sugjested is and electrcle supply house
that caters to the trade. tho they may say
whosale only in the addin the yellow
pages. i have found most will sell to
you if you go by, While i am not an
expert. i do repair appliances for a living and
in the case of microwave ovens deal
with voltages of around 4,000v ac/dc with up
to 17amps in current draw. now that
will kill you dead. the application you are
dealing with is not so dangerous. just
make sure your mounting and wire
connections are sound.
Time 04:30, 9 Jan 1999
From Aunt Nellie
Mota- I use Growcoir and love it.Holds
lots of water and air, rehydrates
easily, keeps your PH right where you
want it and, although I haven't tried it yet,
it's supposed to be perfect for hydro
organics.Check out
www.flash.net/~anadam/aboutcoir.html
Time 03:13, 9 Jan 1999
From Strider
In the dark: Guess I am butting in but
maybe OT1 won't mind and may confirm
my Idea. you can get a good switch at
any appliance parts house ,with various
amp ratings. there are several universal
types availible. single pole double
throw ect. but the simplest tho mounting may
be a problem. would be a circut breaker.found
at any hardware. lumber yard. Or,
remember the old monster movies where
the villian would throw the old bar type
switch to let the juice flow? this type
sw. is simple and will hold/carry the
voltages/amerages you will be dealing
with. tho harder to find. most any heavy
duty sw. will work ok just use one with
a high voltage/amp rating. and pay close
attention to howyou mount it. ie>> shorts
and arcing. Strider.
Time 00:30, 9 Jan 1999
From inthedark
OT1 Since you seem like an expert in
electrics, can you help me.I want to
know what type of switch I would need
to bypass the ignitor in a HPS setup. Since
the that electric pulse you talk about
is 3-5kV, would I need a switch that could
handle that much juice? I know I could
manually bypass it be taking the ignitor out
of the loop, but a switch seems to be
a more practical idea.
Time -2:25, 9 Jan 1999
From Frenchie
Old timer1:I tought i was a bulb maniac
took me few time to digest it
HAHA but i don't have antwin beam oscilloscope
under my bed to
tune the darn thing :))))) lol
Time 17:49, 8 Jan 1999
From 67ed
God Oldtimer, Are you an electrical engineer,
or what? I thought I spoke English,
but I'm still trying to piece your post
together, and I do have an associates in
engineering! (from a hundred years ago).Peace
Time 11:02, 8 Jan 1999
From oldtimer1
Hi Dr Evil The ballast is a big inductive
coiland limits the current drawn by
the arc coil 4.5 amps for sodium 4 amps
for MHand 3.5 amps for MV 400 w.
Modern electronic igniters produce pulses
3 to 5 kv to strike the arc. The lamp
voltage is around 100 v. The inductive
coil lags the supply and
withoutpower factor correction would
draw a lot of current with little output
[the lamp might not always run. If you
add capacitors beyond the inductive lag of
the coil you would have what is called
a leading pf and the more you added the
less output you would get. For the highest
out put to the lamp the the inductive
coil and capacitors should be in balance
with the phase voltage. My light with
parry 400 w control gear has a 45 yF
cap Phillips control gear come with 2 x 32
yF caps = 64 yF all rated 250 v ac so
it cant be that critical. If you want to do a
really good job of it you need a twin
beam oscilloscope and you add same value
caps in parallel across the input to
the ballast until phase of the output to the
lamp match the mains supply. Basically
its just a simple tuned circuit. The caps for
you should be 120 v ac dry construction
type [no fluid leakage] metalised
polypropylene film are best. If you
found 100 yF was the best value it is better to
have 4 x 25 yF in parallel . Our 1000
w sodium ballasts have just that across the
input. Not much more I can say I hope
it wasn't to boring.
Vic you have mail!
Lady J will mail you soon.
All the best Ot1.
Time 10:11, 8 Jan 1999
From justice
hey all whassup
i was just thinking about how often
i come around (which isn't too often) to check
this place out and then leave without
a trace. i'll jump in now and again when
there'ssomething for me to say but for
the most part i'm just soakin it all up.
so here's an extended thank you from
the silent crew at BCGA. keep the spirit
alight anf FUCK THE MAN.
out
Time 09:28, 8 Jan 1999
From sb
Lady J
Bravo !
Now if "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny",can
the complete evolution of
the plant be plotted by studying the
development and subsequent growth of a
single seed?
can I have your e-mail again?
sb
Time 09:24, 8 Jan 1999
From ERIC
Lady J
How tall does your Oaxacan grow to?
I had heard that there is a strain growing
in the highlands in mexico that is actually
a cross between a native satavia and
an indica brought there by exploring
spanish soldiers. they gave the indians
in that area some seeds to grow for them
and the indians naturally ended up with
a cross. Now i would also be willing to bet
that the idea about the hemp was also
true but it having less flowers to produce
seeds for food
I think it would have been kept completely
seperate ..only grown for the fibers for
cloths and nets. It only makes sence...I
would like to see what that tribe has done
with that cross made hundreds of years
ago.....
oops missed a day or two
Time 15:19, 6 Jan 1999
From Dr. Mezz
i unfortuenetly can't give you a precise
height for the Oaxacan, since it has only
been cultivated indoors, where a factor
such as this can be
controlled.However I imagine it could
attain heigts of up too 13-15', with 7-9
being the average height.Although I
don't have oaxacan seeds at the
moment, I would be interested in trading
or buying some if at all possible.
Vic; In the description of the blueberry
it says that, the seeds were treated with
colchicine.Although the effects would
be less pronounced with successive
generations, do you still obtain polyploids?
Mezz
Time 14:51, 6 Jan 1999
From ERIC
ya'll want to know what pisses me off?
I was doing a search for certain drug
relaited things and a banner add came up
about why drugs are bad for you..so
i decide to go and read it......
Man it is so full of shit...nothing but
half truths and lies..it is targeted for students.
What gets my goat is that it isnt true,
they are warning people to not do drugs so
they will not be like us. But what is
funny to me is that at leats we dont lie about
it...we are very factual people. They
lie about us and pot and we are the
enemy....what gives man.....stop the
lies and let people decide for themselves..If
anyone wnats to check it out here is
the link..its such shit. they even say that the
pot available now is 500 times stronger
than 10 years ago. and it is worse for you
than cigeretts....anyway ..we have all
heard it beforte..it just pisses me off
http://www.projectknow.com/A2_true_lies.html
Time 14:46, 6 Jan 1999
From Mota
Eric,
You got mail.
PAZ
Time 13:58, 6 Jan 1999
From ERIC
Otimer 1...yes i have an addy..it is
hotmail..if you dont want to send it to that addy
just let me know where i can get a new
one and i will go get it..if you dont have a
problem thought just send it to ericcarr21@hotmail.com
PIE.... I have the original mowie wowie
from a grower from hawaii I only have
a total of 25 seeds right now but the guy i
got them from is contacting the source..it
is a seedbank of growers that are all
based in Hawaii..then i should be abloe
to get more....but YES i would like to
trade..i have no problem ttading a clone...you
can drop me a line at that addy
above.
the only thing i know about it is that
it gets about 6-7 feet tall..one bowl full fucked
up two expericeneced ( both oltime hippies
from 60's and 70's and to tell you the
truth they still are) and that the medicine
man that he got them from only grows a
pound a year he sells it to pay for
his stay in hawaii he told me he gets $8,000 a
pound. I know this guy has smoked forever...he
also uses peyote and opium when
he joins his medicin brothers...but
thats really all i can tell you because i havent
seen or tried it myself. should be wonderful
stuff though. he kept the poor plant
raped as he only grew it for himself
he also crossed it to a purple plant that was
also given to him so i can do that one
to. as it is winter now that is nexdt springs
first project....
Time 10:12, 6 Jan 1999
From Mota
Vic,
Which Widow hybrids are you vegging?
PAZ,
Mota
Time 09:52, 6 Jan 1999
From Frenchie
What did happenned in Vancouver with
the COPs (birtday party) might teach
them some restrainwhen it come to pot
busting, The same day they have
raid a house merely because the windows
had condentation on them and there
was some smell outside, There was NO
growing operation in there. I think they will
start to redefine the way to deal with
pot bust and lower those guns now. it was a
bad thing for the kid and the dogbut
a good thing for the cause.
Time 09:44, 6 Jan 1999
From pie
Vic>>> yup that is the book. have you
seen it or just read the review from the
growihg edge.
see everyone getting rid of hotmail!!!
what did i miss??? is it the thing about
encrypted java script cookies hidden
in eme's?
Mowie Wowie ... there was a thread or
post about the real deal mowie wowie
awhile back. i have access to some old
genetics that seems to be real popular. i
am interested in a trade ??? interested???
Time 09:42, 6 Jan 1999
From oldtimer1
You have an addy Eric?
Vic I thought your system in Canada
was supposed to be tolerant that stinks. Ot1.
Time 08:40, 6 Jan 1999
From Vic High (bcga@mailcity.com)
Speaking of stupid, the Vancouver police
force seems to be trying to replace the
LA force for having the worst public
relations. First the APEC(sp) scandle and the
way they assulted the protesters. Now
last weekend they busted a childs birthday
party. Crashed the place in riot gear
and blew away a family pet. Splattered the
b-day girl with the dog's blood. What
kind of surveilance can't tell the difference
between a bunch of children having a
birthday party and a bunch of drug
dealers!!! That survailance team should
be fired outright for endangering public
safety as they have done! They caused
more trauma for those young kids than
what any homebased MJ dealer could!
It's a sad thing when society needs
protection from it's police force.
Time 08:35, 6 Jan 1999
From ERIC
the only problem those knats will cause
is other than annoying you they will get
stuck in your buds and then you have
little bugs on your buds. if you dont have
any "good bugs" in the room and only
seedlings just put a bug bomb in there if
they are really bad...if just a few
buy a can of spray and manually spraythem out.
Otimer1 where are your pics man?
Dr mezz... did your friend happen to know how tall the Oxxcean grew to?
Hey Vic a friend of mine recieved you
blueberry from heaven's stairway?
cant wait to smoke some..
Time 08:27, 6 Jan 1999
From Vic High (bcga@mailcity.com)
Frenchie - I posted some time ago about
my thoughts about which bulb I thought
was the best. Basically I like a combo
of light sources and couldn't pick a best.
Each bulb had it's good points and bad
points. In every case, the plants between
two dissimilar bulbs outperformed plants
directly under the bulbs even though
they were farther away from the light.
The osram bulb did very well and growth of
plants under it were not much slower
than plants under a 1000w MH.
Many tease me about how long I play with
a seedling or new clone in veg before I
finally flower it. It is so that I can
really get to know that clone or seedline. Well,
quiet a while ago I planted a bunch
of seeds and they are still in the veg room.
The two white widow hybrids are under
a 1000w sunmaster warm deluxe and the
g13/nl, bubbi blueberry, and kushes
are under a 1000w SMH. The seedlings
under the sunmaster have stretched significantly
more but this may simply be a
genetics thing. Again, plants between
the bulbs are doing the best.
As for the high voltage switch, I would
go to an electrical supply or comercial
lighting supply outlet and ask for a
suitable switch. They would be up on what is
safe and what isn't.
RSB is still on the line. With everyone's
New Years resolutions, there is not a big
demand within my circle of contacts
so no rush to finish. Not a good idea to get
too far ahead on packaging. Usually
the New Years resolutions are slowly
forgotten as the month progresses :)
Time 08:20, 6 Jan 1999
From Lady J
I never said that African culture was
younger than Mexican. The difference is that
African strains are predominantly wild
types. Even those who live and smoke
there will tell you that finding African
weed that was purposefully cultivated is a
rare instance. Most Africans you will
buy there are harvested wild plants. This is
far from the case in Mexico, where virtually
all cannabis is cultivated.
I'm always one for learning more. If
I'm wrong and you can show it I'll admit it. Your
the first historian I've ever seen call
someone stupid. You must an umemployed
historian if you're one at all.
Peace
Peace
Time 07:47, 6 Jan 1999
From lurker
trelaway thanks for the link!
the war on pot... governments putting
otherwise law-abiding citizens in jail over a
plant..major stupidity.
maybe what was being suggested is that
the people from the oaxacan region of
mexico have an older pot culture (and
therefore breeding programs) than do the
africans... even in north africa its
mostly hashish not pot.after all wasn't it
the mexicans that introduced pot smoking
to us north americans? and I'm glad too
or else I'd be mixing tobacco in with
my joints.. nasty $hit
Time 02:04, 6 Jan 1999
From happy bongmore
fungus gnats and they may be not a problem
or harmful to death to your crop ,
depends how bad they get ..... the little
flies are harmless and annoying but their
larvae can damage roots ......they thrive
in damp warm rotting conditions...your
medium might be too damp. ...let it
dry out between waterings , I mean really dry
out so the pot is noticably lighter......hang
sticky yellow strips to trap the
adults........nuke the bastards with
a knockdown spray..... prevention is
better than cure.......if you aregrowing
in a soil/peat mix.....an old grower
told me to put an inch/26mm layer or
more of washed river sand on the surface of
the pots....this will prevent the buggers
from laying .
Time 01:02, 6 Jan 1999
From inthedark
Sorry, one more thing. Can the reverse
be true? Add an ignitor to a MH ballast
with that switch to make a switchable
ballast. Would this work? What do you guys
think?
Time 00:53, 6 Jan 1999
From inthedark
Can anyone find info on that special
switch? I am really interested in converting to
a switchable ballast. Where can I get
this switch and how can I install it? Thanks
for the info on the Osram, Vic. I been
on a wild goose chase looking for that lamp.
I'm glad you settled it. I just started
my Bros. Grimm beans. I seem to have a little
problem. I have these little knat-like
bugs in my grow. They sit around until I come
close. Does anyone know what they are?
Are they harmful? How do I get rid of
them?
CYa
Time -1:47, 6 Jan 1999
From trelaway
Hey historian dude,
If what lady J said was the stupidest
thing you've read, you should read some
more.
O.J. getting off, that was stupid.
Telling kids HIV came from africans and
monkeys fighting over food scraps in
dumps --- well, that's pretty stupid.
Auchwitz --- another biggie in the stupid department.
It's possible Lady J is merely misinformed;
maybe you could lighten up on the
critism a bit.
Time -2:32, 6 Jan 1999
From Orchid man
Budmbroi like to use more metal halide
than HPS untill the last 2-3
weeks of flowering. Using HPS at the
end does a nicer finish ,the budzz get harder
(fuller) . If one is not in an hurry,
Metal halide coated or sunmaster warm do a
really nice job, the plant seem to produce
flowers for a longer period of time than
with HPS alone.
old timer1: i went to see your pics on the site VERY Nice
As for the Historian Oaxacan weed exist
since long before you and me , i
used to smoke this stuff in Palenque
MX. for Months. As far as i knowthe
indian there did not get the seeds from
marc emery. As for Africans weed it is as
old as Homo sapiens.
Time -3:36, 6 Jan 1999
From Munty (Munty@Indiasite.com)
Hi all
On the subject of flouro lights a countryman
of mine who is an electrician came up
with an addition for flouro light fittings
a few years ago that has apparently turned
him into a millionare.
It is called Tri-Lux and apparently
it TRIPLES the light output at the desk in office
environments
It consists, I believe, of a concave
mirror behind the tubes but I may be over
simplifying it here
I have stood under them in office environments
and they are certainly much
brighter than conventional setups..food
for thought?
Vic: How is that Romulan Strawberry
Blonde Surprise coming along?(sounds like
icecream that you might get on the Starship
Enterprise! ;-) )
Munty
Time -3:36, 6 Jan 1999
From Budm
Hi All: Treleway I forgot, I had no leaves
like that on my roms, but i did get one like
that on my first 3 SupCrystals and 2
males the 3 way is sexless so far.
Everyone, If ya had to either finish
the last two weeks of a 12/12, that had 400hps
and go to 400mh for the last two,
Or have another batch get just mh800
for the fist 4 weeks then a mix which would
ya do. I just bought a 400smh, I have
one closet in 12/12 with a 400hps 5thweek,
and another 1st week 12/12 with a 400mh.
So im trying to figure the best way to
play "Musical Lights" Ultimately I want
a mixed flower 400hpsx400mh and a
400smh veg, its just the current circumstances
that are tough with my limited
experience.Thanks all!
Peace
Time 19:46, 5 Jan 1999
From trelaway
Hey Lurker,
Here's an ona link, the only one I know.
http://hydroponics.com/products/ona.htm
Time 19:36, 5 Jan 1999
From Orchid man
who is this dude with his caps lock and
bird brain? A meter is a meter maybe the
damn meter was fucked up like ya,who
knows. posting crap ,i know...
Time 17:31, 5 Jan 1999
From Frenchie
Geezz Vic you sure put out more lumens
than those bulbs.. Case Closed haha!
anyone here using growth hormone during flowering time. I don't know if
i
should use Vitamax during flowering
as it might interfere with the flowering
hormones of the plant??
Time 16:55, 5 Jan 1999
From Vic High (bcga@mailcity.com)
here's what osram had to say.
Subject:
RE:
Web Enquiry
Date:
01/05/99
08:59:50
From:
GalaniD@osram.co.uk
To:
"'bcga@theheadoffice.com'"
CC:
Dear Mr Loges
Thank you for your e-mail
inquiry.
Most of our HID lamps in the
400Wwill give between 30,000 to 54,000
lumens. To achieve around
85,000 lumens the lamp wattage would
have to
be around 1000W.
Regards
Dhiru Galani
Technical Support, Marketing
Tel
+44-181-901-1351
Fax+44-181-901-1222
/ 1307
e-mail: GalaniD@osram.co.uk
=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
bcga@theheadoffice.com [SMTP:bcga@theheadoffice.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 02,
1999 11:58 PM
> To:
customer.services@osram.co.uk
>
Subject:Web Enquiry
>=20
> Below is the result of your
feedback form.It was submitted by Vic
> Loges
(bcga@theheadoffice.com) on Saturday,
January 2, 1999 at
> 23:57:33
> =
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> -----
>=20
> addresstype: Home=A0
>=20
> discharge: on
>=20
> yesnoregistered: on
>=20
> occupation: research &
developement
>=20
> Message: I've been hearing
about a 400 Watt HID put out by Osram
that
> gives off 85,000 lumens. I'm
interested in this product but can't
=
find
> any info on it. If there is any
such product could you email me the
> part number of the bulb and
any specs on it. Thanks for your time,
=
Vic
>=20
> yesnoproblem: on
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Time 15:07, 5 Jan 1999
From ERIC
Dr Mezz
well if you happen to get like a pound
of it and can take all the seeds out then i
would like to be able to trade you for
some.....see even with an f2 or 1 or
whatever ..i can still get a good mom.
But really i want a truebreeding to cross
back to a strain i have from Guadaljara...
I have a friend that is bringign back
some original form there in two months..he
went to go find the best.
let me know man...thanks
Time 14:42, 5 Jan 1999
From frenchie
Victhanx for the info, so you would recommend
this bulb instead of a
regular 400w MH or Sunmaster cool? Do
the leaves like the CRI of this cool white
bulb? The tomatoes seem to love it at
the store. What do the plant under this bulb
compare to the others around the other
bulbs? I know it might be hard to answer
this if you have an HPS close to it.
Time 14:13, 5 Jan 1999
From Dr. Mezz
thanks Lady J, and Evil.
The seeds are indeed F2s because the
original F1s that were crossed were
derived from different parents.While
all the parents were Oaxacans, they all
came from different crops.I wanted and
still want to start a selective
breeding program, however due to space
and time constraints this is just not
possible. I only have a few seeds, left,
and will not be able to obtain more from my
friend till aprox. early march.At this
point I am only interested in cultivating
these for the high that I first remembered
from them. If i had time, i would love to
try and develop a strain which retains
the original high, but posseses, better
indoor growing characteristics.Pure
Sativa indoors? Last experience wasn't
to pleasent. Maybe you or someone else
is up to the task?
btw, what were you implying by ok...
Mezz
Time 13:50, 5 Jan 1999
From loop_hole
Vic and all> re flo tubes. Just picked
up a few of Philips new-ish 4 foot flo's called
50 U ultralume. 5000K temp and 3400
lumens with a CRI of 86. That's almost 50%
more output than other wide spectrum
bulbs. Just got them so I report on the
results soon. About $10 CAN though (through
an industrial lighting source).
People use them in the treatment of
SAD. I was just sad that my mothers didn't
have enough light:-)
Jay > the special switch is required
due to the high voltage. BothHPS and
MH run at about 430V but the starter
fires at about 3K volts. Special switches
should be used to prevent arcing.
All> just drying up my shisk yield and
should be able to report on results soon.
Looks like my best yield so far even
though shisk is not my best yielding plant.
Don't think I'll use a pure shisk again
though. This may sounds stupid but I just
don't like the way the plant looks.
Thanks all, my yields have been steadily
increasing no doubt due to the excellent
advice here.
Time 10:31, 5 Jan 1999
From ERIC
Dr. Mezz
ok..first..if this is original Oxxacean then if your friend crossed it
to
another origanal from seeds that came
from the same bag or field of pot..then it is
still a true breeder not an f2. But
growing out 20 would tell ya more
can you tell me how tall this strain
reached?
can you get more seeds from your friend?
are you willing to make a trade with
some of us?
Time 10:27, 5 Jan 1999
From jay
mr evil...all i do is take the igniter
out of the ballast setup..3 wires,2 going to bulb
and one from the ballast itself..i remember
a store owner saying that to place a
switch in your setup you need a special
pricey switch,why i cant remember,but it
made such a difference in price for
him that he never did add it to his ballast kits...
as far as a bigger capacitor for 400
watt bulbs you might want to email a hydro
shop and ask them...not sure but i imagine
if the 1k bulbs can be switched why
not the 400's...
pie not sure on the lumen thing either...i
find cool whites work fine for
me..btw-hope all is well with ya,good
luck bro...
Time 09:39, 5 Jan 1999
From Vic High
Budm - only ncga stock I have growing
is BW. It's still in veg and i have little in the
way of comments. Haven't even taken
clones from them yet.
Time 09:35, 5 Jan 1999
From Vic High
Frenchie - I really appreciate your input
so please don't be offended but my
hunch is that the Nanaimo store is blowing
shit up your ass. I own one of those
Osram Powerstar HQI-T bulbs that fits
in a 400w HPS ballast. The product sheet I
have on the Optimarc bulb also says
that it fits in a 400w S51 HPS ballast. I
always ask for a product sheet when
some salesman tries to get me to try a new
product. Victoria Tridon and other local
stores told me that that 400w osram bulb
was the same as the optimarc bulb.Don't
get me wrong, I'm really
impressed with the performance of this
bulb, but I've only used it as a suppliment
to other bulbs.
Pie - sure share anything you find interesting.
If it's too big maybe you could email
it to me and then I could add it to
the webpage? Is that the Van Pattan book? Lots
of good info there.
Budm - Blossom Blood is more meant for
hydro growers but it has directions for
soil growers so I have been playing
with a bit. First attempt was with two plants,
leaving another two as controls. Treated
plants yielded a bit more but sample size
was too small for the results to be
reliable. I did a second trial but data was
inconclusive. Although the treated plants
averaged more, the numbers were too
varied to make the data reliable. I
can definately say that it doesn't hurt
production, but I'm not convinced that
it is a benefit either. No experience with
sensa spray yet. I tend to avoid MJ
hype products.
Dr Evil - no I didn't check out the numbers
for the high output 400 capacitors. As
for switch, I'll need to ask Jay. He
disconnected the ignitor and I don't know if he
simply disconected it or bypassed it.
Anon - ST is still on the line and isn't
highest priority right now. Want to make sure
I take my time and collect as much data
as I can. Yields were much lower and with
less chrystal than the Romulan strawberry
blonde seedlings. I never worry about
seedling yields though. Clones from
those seedlings are now in the flower room.
Time 08:46, 5 Jan 1999
From Budm
Hi all, I culled out another Male SuperCrystal,
I only have one left and its whorled
so it looks like SC is going to have
to wait till I do the remainder of the eggs.Has
any one ever had a "whorled" plant turn
out a Fem?
Vic, Can you update on the ncga's you
are working with? in particlur the
BW.Thanks:-)
Trelaway. The Ona is doing the job even
on the Roms, not directly in front of the
closet but that is ubderstandable:-).
I sliced it in half, then took one half and sliced
that in 4, and placed the 4 in stratigic
locations around the crib, great product!
Nuaghty,The initial germ rate was good,
however a couple look as if they "ran out
of gas" and could not raise there cotleydons.Maybe
the aging solidifys there initial
food souce some? It looks as if a couple
of each will mature, And now im glad im
saved some of each to "age" forthe future.
Again Naughty Thank You. Ill
keep ya posted with stats weekly.
Everyone- If anyone can tell me anything
a/b "SensaSpray"and
"BlossomBlood" Id apprechiate it!
Peace
Time 07:44, 5 Jan 1999
From Lady J (ladyj@postmaster.co.uk)
Please note my new email addy.
ot1>>please remail me, thanks.
vic>>nevermind below.
Peace
Time 07:27, 5 Jan 1999
From Lady J
vic>>send me your new email addy.
thanks.
Time 07:21, 5 Jan 1999
From Lady J
Oaxacan sativas are amongst the oldest
varieties known. They have been a part
of the native culture for thousands
of years. Why do you think they are
legendary? Africans are novelty strains.
Oaxacans have been cultivated since the
dawn of mezoamerican culture.
Peace
Time 07:18, 5 Jan 1999
From pie
jay >>>> maybe the 33 actually stands for the lumens
i belive the sylvania bulbs i have are
rated at 3250 or 3300 lumens or 33 for short
Time 05:44, 5 Jan 1999
From OT (2)
Dr. Evel
Thanks a million. At the very least the
seeds I have identified as 'Velvet Rush' are
either the 'Blue Velvet' or the parent.
The one time that I did grow the seeds
back in 1990 to rejuvenate the genetics
and create new seeds the few ladies
I let finish unpollinated looked EXACTLY like
the photograph.
I was NOT able to let them finish as
professionally as I wanted and since I wasn't
going to 'switch' over to that strain
I never gave it much thought - but the bud I did
get was really cerebral and long-lasting.
RE: BEL - from just having the genetics
you mentioned I would think that your
friend was, in fact, a member of the
BEL. Quite an exciting time. Insofar as LSD -
the BEL was the group that manufactured
and distributedthe most popular
psychadellic of all time - Orange Sunshine
which was TECHNICALLY not LSD-25
but a smiliar ergot - ALD-52.
Check it out - the decision was made
to use ALD-52 because it was much more
stable for shipping and storing. LSD-25
is very unstable and virtually has not
shelflife before it starts to change
properties.
Peace.
Time 05:21, 5 Jan 1999
From anon
hey vic.... been out of town for a month
or so. no internet access where i was at.
how'd those sweet tooth turn out???
my nl and silver pearl were all mildly self
pollinated :) love that chicken shit
tea in flowering period....
Time 04:00, 5 Jan 1999
From Dr. Evil
Hi All, I hope everybody is doing well,
Budm: you have mail.
Vic and Jay: Did you happen to hear anything
about capacitor sizing for 400w
hps? I have an address for surplus electronics,
that has some capacitors in
various sizes, all are pretty cheap.
When you speak of adding a switch to take the
ignitor out of the circuit on an hps,
I assume you are talking about putting the
switch in the leg that goes to the bulb
from the ignitor? Or does it matter?
OT1: Here is the link from the Osram-Sylvania
(U.S. subsidiary of Osram)site that
talks about new phosphors
http://www.sylvania.com/aboutus/pressrel/press/981204.html
With a lot of reading between the lines,
I guessed that this could explain the new
bulb, however, this is conjecture on
my part. I also think that it is not unlikely that
such a bulb could exist as a new product
for several reasons. One being that
mainland europe would be first to receive
it, being Osram's headquarters.
Being somewhat lower on the food chain,
we would hear about it later. Also, since
400w bulbs make up the largest number
of bulbs sold (parking lot and store
lighting) it would be logical that this
size would get introduced first. Catalogs,
websites, and sales reps are usually
a bit behind on the latest information. Just
my thoughts on the matter. I think the
use of a new phosphor could explain the
increase in lumens. Since all of the
electricity going into the bulb minus
resistance, comes out as electromagnetic
radiation, some as light, and some as
heat, a change in phosphors to one that
produces more light and less heat
seems possible.
After
re-reading what you said about anti-social.com, my only thought was
that maybe you were trying to use their
password for the "chat" board that they
give you to retrieve mail. Both your
e-mail address, and the password for the
account, are in one e-mail together,
when you first start the account. Use the
other only for the chat feature. And
yes, they are very unresponsive about
support questions, but what can you
expect for free? :)
OT2: Here is a link for all I know about
Blue Velvet:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~seeds/ebluevel.html
I figure that the Oregon genetics they
mention could be related to yours, due to
the similarities in name and locale.
However, that is only my guess.
Funny you should mention the B.E.L., I haven't heard that name in years.
I
used to know someone who claimed to
be an original member. I don't know if it
was true, but he was the best grower
I've met in person, and he had the best LSD
I've ever tried, and never gave me cause
to doubt him. He used to grow in
Humbolt county, and bring things down
to L.A. when I lived there years ago. He
worked with a few different strains,
and some had quite a bit of afghani in them
(although my 2 favorites of his were
an Acupulco gold and his Orange bud).
Would sure be cool to get to work with
any of those old time genetics.
Dr. Mezz : As all of the state of Oaxaca
is in the tropics, I think it's likely to be a
tropical strain :) . I wonder if the
strain is native to the region, or was introduced,
seeing as how many sativas from the
Americas were supposedly introduced from
other places.
All: Well, hopefully this will post.
Proxies have been uncooperative for me over the
last couple of days.
Dr. Evil
Time 19:52, 4 Jan 1999
From Naughty
Hey budm....what was the germ rate on
those beans?...i hope they all popped for
you...i`m concerned because i`ve heard
that beans need a few months to (rippen
) b4 they are ready....hope all is well
Time 19:40, 4 Jan 1999
From trelaway
Hey all,
Budm, yeah the ona was a very cool discovery.
I could hardly believe it worked
when I tried it. Does it work well killing
the Romberry odour? I've got it growing
now. Did any of your's come up with
triple leaves? Three of my twenty have,
though I didn't mark them blue or rom,
could be either.
Time 19:24, 4 Jan 1999
From phriendly
Can anyone give me info on Flo by Dutch
passion?
Time 19:04, 4 Jan 1999
From Dr. Mezz
Hey Eric, sorry about the late post.
My modem was temporarily down. About the
Oaxacan though. I've never grown this
strain before, but have smoked
it.These were seeds obtained from a
friend, and have an extremely high
germ. rate. Normally I wouldn't bother
attempting to grow Oaxacan indoors, but
these seeds are supposedly F2s, coming
from different Oaxacan parents. (Seeds
are still supposed to be pure though)
The bud I smoked was grown from the same
friend, and had a vibrant, slightly
hallucinatory high, quite similar to a 2grm.
cubensis buzz. I am assuming that along
the lines of this Oaxacan there were
African traits because African herb,(Malawi
gold) is known to have the analog
compound THCV, which produces mild hallucinatory
experiences.THis
could just be due to my personal interpretation
of the high, but anoter friend of
mine, reported the same effects.This
is new to me, because I have no
knowledge of Oaxacan being a tropical
strain.I'll let you know more details
on the plants, as they mature.If anyone
else has some insight, please "let
em' know".
Mezz
Time 17:58, 4 Jan 1999
From Lady J
hi all,
Ot1 you have email.
Peace
Time 17:48, 4 Jan 1999
From Budm
Hi Vic & Co. I have seen these two
products, they have both caought my eye, Ive
heard a/b folks using them but im not
clear what there intended use is or if they
work any info would be great.
They are "Sensaspray" & "BlossomBlood".
Trel- That Ona de-odorizer is great!
Thanks.
DocE
lets talk about "Clif Claven"
Time 17:20, 4 Jan 1999
From pie
great thread on lights ...
i ordered the book shown in THE GROWING
EDGE that has a study on bulbs and
hoods using a light meter.
if i buy it i will make the info available
here if it is ok with Vic and i can scan it!
Time 15:04, 4 Jan 1999
From Frenchie
Old Timer, is it possible that because
of the hood this osram bulb was in, we did
get a reading of 80,000 L. at 2 feet
under. The bulb by itself might not be 80,000
L. Because of the hood the Lumen output
was near double maybee??!!
What did puzzled me is that beside it ,there was a normal 400 W mh with
normal hood :reading of 40,000It is
why i am talking about it so much. The
manager of tridon order them directly
from germany, they come in cool and warm
type.Anyway if someone buy one of these
soon ,let us know. It is a very
clear bluish color. I should of took
a reading of a 1000w MH under similar
hood to see.
Time 14:29, 4 Jan 1999
From oldtimer1
Hi there jay hows it going. No wouldent
use energy saving tubes these are 40
watts. Just found my lamp catalog colour
33 was called cool white or
daylight light temperature 4000k.Then
you have colour 35 was called white
temperature 3500k and lastly 29 was
called warm white temperature 2800k. We
just use the 33's on their own this
is what all the micropropergation Co's use.
Hope this helps. Have looked in the
Osram cat as well and as I said before the
highest output 400w sodium listed is
56000 lumins. The new catalogues come out
March/April time and I suppose it would
be anounced then if its going to be releast
here.
All the best Ot1
Time 14:26, 4 Jan 1999
From Frenchie
I went back to Tridon Hydroponics ,they
have a store in Victoria.The Osram
400w HPS convertion is not the optimarc.
The optimarc work with a MH ballast.
The other one is :POWER STARHQ1-Tto
go with HPS ballast.
Time 12:34, 4 Jan 1999
From jay
Ot1-could the 33 actually be an energy
saving type stating that 33 is the wattage
instead of 44..?we have found many types
here but nothing with the 33 on
them,our energy saving flo tubes use
34 watts instead of 40 and have a 34 stamp
on them..?
Time 11:20, 4 Jan 1999
From oldtimer1
Vic I have two boxes of tubes phillips
and general electric they both say 40 w
followed by a 33 it might be a euro
thing as a standard but it is cool white.
All the best Ot1
Time 00:33, 4 Jan 1999
From Frenchie
I will have to investigate this bulb
further to make sure.osram 400w. I'LL go have
another good look and keep you posted.
I am starting to have some doubts
myself . But with the damn meter it
was 80.000 Lumens under an expensive hood
. Gonna investigate some more BYE
Time -3:17, 4 Jan 1999
From Vic High
Ahhh back home. What a good weekend.
Budm - I never really go by hard fast
numbers when scheduling plant
developement. There is just too many
variables between gardens. Just plan to
harvest around 8 weeks is all I can
say. As for molasses, just try it for the last
week of flowering if you like. Maybe
just try it on half of the plants and see what
You like better? It's more of a taste
issue.
inthedark - Actually we remove the igniter,
not the capacitor to operate MH bulbs
in an HPS ballast. There is switchable
ballasts out there that operate on this
principle I believe. A bonus is that
your MH gives off more lumens. Downside is
that the bulb burns out faster. I like
the idea of using this technique to get a last
ditch burst of use from year old MH
bulbs. Don't know if this is efficient but I figure
it's worth exploring.
OT1 - been having trouble tracking down
those 33 Flo tubes. We have warm
ones, cool whites, designer full spectrum,
daylight, HO, 5100K,etc haha. Got a
part number for me to use to cross reference?
Frenchie - also looking for a part number
for the osram bulb your speaking of.
The only osram 400 bulb that I can find
is the 28,000 lumen optimarc bulb. The
$129 price tag fits as well. Maybe the
wrong data was quoted to me for the
Optimarc bulb? I'll check out the websight
that budm mentioned. BTW - that light
company is also an excellent source
of the high ozone output flo tubes and
ballasts.
67ed - no idea here
Time -3:03, 4 Jan 1999
From Nonames
Started plants from seed and A dozen
or so are males they've been in bud for 6
days with the females. Is there a product
on the market that can be used to
convert males to females? Such as a
spray or chemical and if there is, is it too
late to use if I take the males
and put them back into a veg cycle.Can
anyone help mewith this problem
ASAP.Thanks
Time 18:37, 3 Jan 1999
From 67ed
Thanks for the discussion on lights!
It's not one of my forte's, but I'm learning alot
more. Just how much uv-a and uv-b light
does a sun t agro bulb for 400 hps
ballast produce? How does this compare
to the real sunlight at say 2000 ft on the
30th? Thanks
Time 16:28, 3 Jan 1999
From Frenchie
We took the meter reading under a air
cooled hood with the osram 400
converstion at 2 feet from the hood
80,000 lumennew bulb. way more than
the normal 400w beside it wich was at
42,000 lumens. I have to buy one sonn to
see if the CRI is good for veg.
Time 07:20, 3 Jan 1999
From Budm
Hi All, I culled out another AF#1 male
yesterday. I only have one left of the strain, I
hope its Fem. My 2 JackFlash girls are
entering there 2nd week in the flower
closet, there bud structure is sooo
diffrent, then the early weeks of the
Roms,more elongated and wispy, Is this
typical because of the Haze influence? I
also moved one of Ingmars WWxSSkunks
into the flowere closet. again I hope its
a Fem,I only have one, but on the WWxCalOrange
I have two. My veg closet
starts 12/12 today. I have to figure
out a way to keep my Peak19s,AKxs,& WWxs
seedlings in more than 16hours light,
I bought a small florecent, I think im going to
put them under it on the dark cycle,
then replace them each day, on the light
cycle. A pain in the butt, its like
love ya do certain things for it!
Peace
Time 06:15, 3 Jan 1999
From oldtimer1
Vic mailcall. Ot1
Time 05:43, 3 Jan 1999
From OT (2)
"inthedark"
Poot has too models - a "M" and a "W"
for Medium and Wide. on their reflectors.
Keep in mind that these were developed
in Holland for greenhouse supplemental
lighting. In an experiment I did using
a light meter - the 'even distribution' of the
lumens was amazing.
If one were going to have a 'one-light'
personal situaion, I would recommend the
PL-90M model and would more than adequately
cover a 45" x 45" area - a 36" x
36" that you mentioned would be even
better and I agree with you're assessment
that the Osram 400-watt, 5100k bulb
would be killer.
One thing also about the 'Poot' systems
- the quality and engineering are
light-years ahead of anything offered
by 'grow stores' - if you'll pardon the pun.
Good luck on your project.
Time 02:16, 3 Jan 1999
From inthedark
Budm...called Abby's on Thursday. They
said that the osram 400 in the catalog
was the optimarc model.He did not know
about this 85k lumen bulb. Actually
he was a little surprised at how many
lumens this bulb produced for 400w. He said
he would talk to his distributor and
find out about it by Tuesday. He is a really cool
and helpful. Prices are great. Keep
up the good info on the diff' strains.
Vic...I am really interested in your
light setup. How do convert a HPS to a MH? You
talked removing the capacitor? What
are the negative aspects of this
configuration? Lower lamp life? Dangerous?
If you could do this by disconnecting
the cap, you could install a switch
and Presto! you have a switchable ballast.
Wouldn't this be great. No more debate
about which lamp is better because you
can have both. Great board. I think
this is the most interactive board. The posters
are responsive.
OT2...Can you tell me about your Poot
reflector? I considering between the
Diamond Lumenarc 3 and the Poot. What
is an effective area coverage with the
Poot(3x3)? I also think that osram 400
would be killer with a Poot.
Time -1:57, 3 Jan 1999
From aeric77
hey Vic.....could you have jay give a
call on icq??? thanx......
Time 17:08, 2 Jan 1999
From Budm
Hi All, Vic my Roms are at the halfway
point 30 days , some of the pistils are
brown only on some of the colas maybe
15-20% is this normal at 30days?Also on
what day should I start clearing if
im going to use Molasses?On New Years
eve I had a great experience, I cut
a small bud off the Roms, and quick dried it.
Hear in my hand was Kind that I used
to pay mucho$$$ for, and in 90 short days
with alot of great peoples help, I became
self-sufficent, It was a real cool feeling,
so was the awesome "Early Romberry"
THANKS EVERYONE!
Vic & Jay Abbys/BC has the Osram,
I think there prices are great, Im buying my
second 400 there, this time im getting
a 400superMH with a aullimum ballastbox
for 110us in kit form, but the last
one was a HPS400 and I got a Bat wing reflecto
and it only cost 140us complete, and
it took 45min to put together.
Peace
Abbys--- www.gardeningbc.com/abbys
PS:OM Nice to see ya again I hope ya
had a good holiday!
Time 17:07, 2 Jan 1999
From Budm
Hi All, Vic my Roms are at the halfway
point 30 days , some of the pistils are
brown only on some of the colas maybe
15-20% is this normal at 30days?Also on
what day should I start clearing if
im going to use Molasses?On New Years
eve I had a great experience, I cut
a small bud off the Roms, and quick dried it.
Hear in my hand was Kind that I used
to pay mucho$$$ for, and in 90 short days
with alot of great peoples help, I became
self-sufficent, It was a real cool feeling,
so was the awesome "Early Romberry"
THANKS EVERYONE!
Vic & Jay Abbys/BC has the Osram,
I think there prices are great, Im buying my
second 400 there, this time im getting
a 400superMH with a aullimum ballastbox
for 110us in kit form, but the last
one was a HPS400 and I got a Bat wing reflecto
and it only cost 140us complete, and
it took 45min to put together.
Peace
Abbys--- www.gardeningbc.com/abbys
Time 16:18, 2 Jan 1999
From Frenchie (sunmaster)
Sunmaster warm ... i did not find any
increase in bud production,the leaves
seemmeed less stressed than with Metal
halide. The mix :Coated metal halide
1000w and 400 HPS gave the same result
as the sunmaster. The Sunmaster is
better for seedlings. Better rooting
.I took my sunmaster out of the flowering room
and use it now for seedlings and up.
The plant stretch a bit more than metal
halide but seem in better shape with
more roots. The plants go under metal halide
after one month.Keep on testing :)
Time 15:40, 2 Jan 1999
From Frenchie
Victhey sell the osram 400w in Victoria
at Triton Hydroponic (The manager
told me they had a store in Victoria)
It is for use with a HPS 400w ballast. 129$
can. Tridonor Triton ??!!
Time 15:37, 2 Jan 1999
From Frenchie
Again sorry :)The 1000 watt version is
on sale in Europe. Will be here in
Canada this year but it might be a bulb
that would not last as long anyway.
Time 15:36, 2 Jan 1999
From Vic High & Jay
Well we spent the day picking the brains
of lighting distributors. Can't seem to find
anyone who knows anything about this
85K bulb. Is is 400 or 600W? Learned a
little about capacitors though. Typical
1000w HPS ballast usually comes with a
28mFD capacitor. By replacing that capacitor
with a 32mFD capacitor you can
kick out an extra few lumens but you
run hotter resulting in shorter bulb life (two
shows per bulb). When back in Vic land
lumen output will be measured.
sunmaster vs HPS trial started flower
cycle today. Hps side was veggged using
hps ballast (w/o ignitor) and a clear
MH bulb. There was no noticeable difference
between the sunmaster (warm deluxe)
and the MH operating on HPS. Both lights
are moving on a light rail side by side.
Time 15:34, 2 Jan 1999
From Frenchie
The osram 400w conversion bulb 85,000
lumens seem very clear blueish ,i would
see this bulb with a 400w HPS ,must
be a very good mix.
Time 15:26, 2 Jan 1999
From oldtimer1 (http://emeryseeds.com/seeds.cgi/browse)
Ot2 have you looked atD J Shorts list
at Mark Emeries seed Co?
Dr Evil yes i got the mail I still cant
get into anti-social I gave my hotmail acc as my
backup address but haven't had a reply from anti-social. When you sign
up
with them you get two emails in your
in box with two passwords and I pasted them
both to my desk top but I cant access
either my mail or the chat pages it just
comes up with invalid id/username. Any
suggestions? Iím very interested in this 85
kL lamp If they have managed to add
some metallic phosphors to the sodium
base the improvement could be like it
was with the Mv lamp and the addition of
halogens making the MH lamp. It was
only a tiny addition but what a huge change
that was. Do you know of a url where
I can read about it ? If it runs on a standard
ballastthey cant have altered the length
of the arc tube to much, to up the
output by 52% you would think the ballast
would need to change. In the press
release do they say it is 100% compatible
with standard ballasts?
The capacitors are for power factor
correction, the nearer the ballast is in phase
with the mains frequency the more goes
to the lamp and the more efficiently the
lamp runs. If you increase the capacitance
past that balance point rather than
lagging the mains frequency it will
go out of phase in advance and you will start to
loose power again.
Frenchie does the light look the same
as a standard plus lamp or is it whiter? I
hope they apply this technology to the
600 and 1000 w lamps, not a word about
any of this here.
All the best Ot1.
Time 13:38, 2 Jan 1999
From Frenchie aka orchid man
I have done some testing in the last
few weeks with ferts.
I did use normal fert like (GH) for
2 weeks then i did switch back to salt ferts,just to
see. 3 days after going back to salt
ferts, they did start drinking double amount of
water and the plant look much better.
I was doing this to make sure it does worth it
to talk about salt ferts. First time
i was using normal fert since ages, never again.
:)
Salt fert RULES . Just to see the amount
of water they are using now i can tell
they breathe better. The Kong is doing
great. Super plant, nice. Hello to my
friends. Happy to see you again.Frenchie
Time 12:30, 2 Jan 1999
From t2
ot1 they were from sensi.the auto-bitch
grew more like a sativa.her sister is a
good yielding normal indicai type,both
finish in 7-8 weeks.i actually preferred the
taste and buzz of the auto-flowerer,but
i will keep the indica mom on for its yield.it
yielded double what my blu-widows did
in 7 1/2 weeks.tastes similar to big bud
Time 11:17, 2 Jan 1999
From trelaway
I dropped my twenty Romberry/bluberry
seeds into rockwool cubes four days ago
and they all sprouted.
Not too shabby.
Any thoughts on growing these 16/8 for
green growth.
Time 09:52, 2 Jan 1999
From ERIC
Having better success with original Oaxacan seeds,
Dr.mezz....
What kind of "sucess" have you had with Oaxacan seeds. Please tell
me what you like most about this strain.
Time 07:20, 2 Jan 1999
From Lady J
hi all,
Pure ruderalis, despite flowering automatically,
finishes in no less than 10 weeks if
AT ALL. There is absolutely no use for
the plant other than setting flower in
equatorial varieties. This comes directly
from Nevil and my own experience.
Peace
Time 06:16, 2 Jan 1999
From Old Timer (2)
Old Timer (1)
The 'strain' I was concerned about perhaps
having 'Ruderallis' predates both
SSSC and the Seed Bank (Nevil's). It
was developed in the late 1970's or early
1980's - I know it was around prior
to 1983 according the the anecdotal
information that was given to me.
I saw a plant, grown from clone, and
it was about 3 ft high and was absolutely
gorgeous - strong, Afghani-dominate
but with a very pecuilar aroma when I
rubbed the stalk. Like I said earlier
the 'back' smell was similiar to Nepalese
Sativa.
Then the fellolw showed me a 'Poloroid'
of the strain in bloom and I was absolutely
floored on the size of the colas.
THEN he really blew my mind when he stated
that it finished in 42 days or less -
now either one of two things are true:
1. He is correct and this is wonderful.
2. He didn't know didly-squat about how to tell when a plant if finishing.
And the reason I was concerned about
Ruderallis is that I had read somewhere
several years ago in 'Sinsimillia Tips'
magazine that strains with Ruderallis finish
very early and have huge buds - so I
hope this strain isn't some weird deal that's
all show and the end result is a joke.
Like I said I was just given a couple
of clones and I never did finish them off
because I was moving and had to shut
down for several months. But I DID cross
these clones with a pure Afghani 'hash-plant'
strain from AFOF.
And THOSE seeds I planted a couple of
weeks ago are on their set of 'true'
leaves and it is very Indica and extremely
strong smelling - typical 'skunk' kind of
aromas.
That's what I do and do not know about my mystery plants. LOL
Dr. Evil - Any information you miight
have on this Velvet Rush would be
appreciated. I planted 10 seeds 3 days
ago and 5 are pushing out of the soil this
morning. If it IS a 'sativa' I'll be
happy - I have some great pure Afghani moms I
can cross it with.
And I will keep you in mind on a couple
of other strains I have - African Sativa
(pure), 2 different pure Afghani strains
that have NEVER been fooled with by
breeders - came direct from Afghanistan
to America from the Brotherhood of
Eternal Love in Laguna Beach, CA and
of course the Velvet Rush seeds - I have
over 200 left.
And I'll be interested in reading more
about the Osram 400-watt HPS - it's be
perfect for my 'Poot' fixture - my favorite
ballast and hood - bar none.
Thanks to OT (1), Nevi and Dr. Evil for
your help and comments.
Time 02:52, 2 Jan 1999
From Dr. Evil
Happy New Year everybody,
Budm And OT1 (I hope), you have new mail.
Budm: Sorry to hear about the problem
with the western winds. I had that happen
a while back with some jamaican seeds,
and it is always a disapointment. The
shiske x big plum are doing well, 5
of 7 have broken the surface, the largest 2 are
about 2 1/2" tall and working on their
first true leaf. It will be interesting to see
what combination of characteristics
this cross comes up with.
Eric: I think a coordinated approach
to developing the PR is a good idea. If we all
work together on this we can cover a
lot of ground quickly.
OT2: I wonder if your velvet rush seeds
are any relation to blue velvet, which I
believe was produced out of Oregon stock.
The blue velvet is supposedly pure
sativa (according to the seedbank, Sensi?).
I'll look up where I saw the reference
and post it if you want. P. S. I am
quite interested in swapping some stock, but
need some time to get together some
appropriate return swap material and make
space to give yours a proper home. So
keep me in mind!
Aunt Nellie: I tried the refrigeration
on 7 shiske clones. I put the clones in the
fridge for 48 hrs with the stems submerged
in distilled water with a light dose of
rooting solution and h2o2. We'll see
how they turn out in a few days.
OT1: re: the 85k lumen bulb. I was skeptical
about this bulb until I found out that
Osram has been working with some new
phosphors that have "special properties"
(something that is not explained in
the press release), and also that Frenchie had
put a light meter on it and said that
it seemed like the number was at least close
to accurate and that it was on a regular
400w ballast. So I'm skeptical, but willing
to spend the money to try it. If it
does what it says, it'll be a great advance in bulb
technology. I also meant to ask your
opinion on changing capacitor sizes on hps
setups to increase output. Supposedly,
its only trade off is reduced bulb life, and
if the increase is sufficent, to me
it would justify more frequent bulb changes.
Since you apparently know your way around
a ballast, I'd like to hear what you
have to say about it, since I've found
a source of cheap capacitors of various
sizes, and wouldn't mind trying it out,
if it's safe.
All: Well, I have lots of chores to do
on the ranch over the next couple of days, but
I'll be stopping by frequently. Take
it easy
Dr. Evil
Time 02:31, 2 Jan 1999
From oldtimer1
t2 was it from sensi? With the afgani
type it has a lumin threshold as well as time
so under an hid it will grow and produce
just a few pistils under fluo it is very slow
was it this type? Ot2 if it has ruderalis
in it would normaly turn up in the F3
generation this one being F1. Ot1
Time 19:17, 1 Jan 1999
From OT (2)
OT (1) - this strain originally came
out of the Pacific Northwest in the early 1980's
from the Sacred Seed Coop. Your comments
about only a 'little' experimentation
with Ruderallis having gone on by Nevil
is reassuring.
I would doubt that the folks in Oregon
& Washington would have fooled around
with that type of plant - they were
too busy trying to figure out 'indoor' techniques.
Thanks again for your input.
Time 18:58, 1 Jan 1999
From t2
ot i have an oddball shiva shanti that
has rude in it.i couldn'tget a clone to
veg under 18/6, it just keeps on buddin
Time 18:50, 1 Jan 1999
From Dr. Mezz
got the BCGA blueberry from heaven's.Excellent
service. Though I'm
concerned with the viability of the
seeds.split the order in half with a friend
(five each) all five opened within 24hrs,
but died two days later.Having
better success with original Oaxacan
seeds, and superthrive.THis shit's
great.
Time 17:27, 1 Jan 1999
From oldtimer1
You cant tell if the gene is in a plant
by the look. A friend of ours was developing
a version of white widow from a Canadian
source extremely potent and resinous
after several generations auto flowering
turned up so they destroyed the whole
line seed stock and all. Why do you
think there might be ruderalis in your strain it
seems pretty unlikely to me. A couple
of Canadian seed banks have used it quite
a lot . In Holland its hardly been used
at all, Nevil experimented with itand
dropped it.Sensi sell a hybrid version
and it is in Swiss miss / myst but thats
about it. Pure Nepalese is one thing
I would like to have, it has the instant rush
that comes from thcv.
Sorry I cant help more.Ot1.
Time 16:18, 1 Jan 1999
From Old Timer (2)
Old Timer (1) - thanks for the good information
regarding pollen - and your advice
to take a couple of clones is really
an outstanding idea! I want to do a cross on a
couple of pure strains and regenerate
the 'parents' of this particular one to make
sure I NEVER have to deal with a seed
bank. After reading all of the horror stories
I wouldn't want to.
Not trying to complicate your life -
you're very generous with your information
already - but am I to understand you
correctly that IF the host plant that I took the
cutting from had HUGE colas, and the
'smell' was there - very strong Indica and
kinda of Nepalese Sative smell also
- that then this 'mother' plant does NOT have
Ruderalis in it's genetics?
Thanks again for all of your information.
Have a good New Year to you and yours.
Time 15:46, 1 Jan 1999
From oldtimer1
Hi there namesake how's it going. ëPollení
I collect it on a sheet of paper put it in a
warm dry place [not hot ] for a day
funnel it into a film canister and put a small
sachet of silica jell in with it and
seal it up and put in the salad crisper tray in the
fridge. never tried keeping it for more
than a few weeks but it seems to keep well
like this.The slightest damp will kill
the pollen. If I might make a suggestion as a
backup I would take some tip cuttings
from the lower branches removing any
flower buds, if it is a good male its
worth keeping a copy.
ëRuderalisí real ruderalis is a single
stem plant like a willow whip andx
number of weeks after germination will
begin flowering irrespective of light hours.
Once this is in a strain it never goes
away even if all auto flowerers are weeded
out, it will reappear after a generation
or two when the genes recombine to the
dominant form its like sickle cell anaemia
except you cant tell the carriers with
ruderalis. Ruderalis doesn't have large
colas either. In the early days of wild strain
collection, indicas from western Afghanistan
were often mistakenly called ruderalis
they were early flowering with large
colas. They also will often initiate flowering
early, but can be reveged. The difference
is that with real ruderalis once flowering
is initiated it cant be revegatated
you can root cuttings with just a few flowers
under 24 hr lighting and it just makes
tiny colas. its not a thing to pass on to
future generations.
Aunt Nellie I check the cuttings every
week in case any go soft or any leaves go
rotten. I forgot to mention that when
I mist them I use 1 ml of 35% H2O2 in 1 litre
of water. Since I have been doing this
there have been less rot and fungus probs.
All the best Ot1.
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